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shovenose
December 29, 2010 4:45:32 PM
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N.Broekhuijsen said:
Now you've convinced me to download HFM
I just kept chipping away and....bingo.
You'll find it very usefull, especially when you get your gpu up and running.
Just remember the points you see on HFM include bonus points that you aren't getting yet.
If you want to see actual points you'll also need fahmon until the bonus kicks in, its quite a differance.
^Not if you have a stable OC and everythings cooled well, go for it.
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shovenose
December 29, 2010 5:06:31 PM
shovenose
December 29, 2010 5:45:40 PM
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N.Broekhuijsen said:
HUH?? It just gives you 400 points?Ok wow... so question: would there be any harm in leaving my rig running this 24 hours per day for the next couple of days until I go back to school?
the 4xx point is the base of the WU. With bonuses, this is multiplied.
As for the other question, no. If i can run a laptop for multiple days, i think you can run a desktop just fine.
Unless your having issues with your PSU....
Although sorry about my comment being out of place. Didn't notice that we were already on the next page.
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Ok I prefer fahmon now. Question though: What is PPD, PRCG, and how is the credit calculated?
Beanoslim covered that quite nicely.
Although i prefer HFM.net, im just used to its layout. Mainly due to the fact that fahmon didn't factor in bonuses until about 1 to 3 months ago so i went to HFM to get the estimate bonus.
Although that doesn't matter now as estimation from both programs are fairly close to one another.
Although dont view the benchmarker in Fahmon. At least after a WU is done. with Fahmon under Ubuntu 10.10 the benchmarker says i should be earning....

5.1 million PPD....... with 8s tpf on a "mobile" 1.86GHz Pentium dual core cpu.......
Hey Stanford! Why am i not reaching this 5.1 million ppd! im only able to reach 1K ppd! JK
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ahahaha issues with my PSU? nah, just solved those a few weeks ago. my 3 year old 520watt PSU wasn't able to pull by 965 with my new 6870
Well that clarified a lot anyways. So the bonus points, they get put in place when exactly? was it after you completed 10 SMP WU's?
Well I just got in a nice big WU couple hours ago
2 million steps, it's been going for 3:43hrs and is only at 16%.....
great.... please tell me there are more points for these "insane" WU's...
I know im being a bit of a drag now but later I hope to be helping out on this forum to make up for it
Well that clarified a lot anyways. So the bonus points, they get put in place when exactly? was it after you completed 10 SMP WU's?
Well I just got in a nice big WU couple hours ago
2 million steps, it's been going for 3:43hrs and is only at 16%.....
great.... please tell me there are more points for these "insane" WU's...
I know im being a bit of a drag now but later I hope to be helping out on this forum to make up for it
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doubled
December 29, 2010 11:03:37 PM
N.Broekhuijsen said:
That is Per WU? or after you do 10 (10*400) you get an additional 2700-7000 pts?hey, and im sure you don't mean the k after 2700-7000... would love that now wouldn't you??
After you complete 10 WU (work units) you start to get the bonus.
Yes I mean 2.7k - 7k.
If you look at fahmon now it should tell you the points for the wu lets say 400.
Look at HFM and the points will be lets say 3600.
The points vary for each work unit so the 400 could be 250 or 620.
Once 10 have been done you will get the HFM points ranging from 2600-7000 ish.
Is this confusing, is fahmon also calculating bonus points now?
I haven't used it so I don't know.
Bottom line is smash 10 wu's out then you'll get loads more points..simples.
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N.Broekhuijsen said:
That is Per WU? or after you do 10 (10*400) you get an additional 2700-7000 pts?hey, and im sure you don't mean the k after 2700-7000... would love that now wouldn't you??
Until you complete 10 WU, you will only get the base points for the WU. Once 10 have been completed, you will be getting a multiplier bonus based on how fast you complete the WU(this is where you will get 2.7k-7k per WU).
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Is this confusing, is fahmon also calculating bonus points now? I haven't used it so I don't know.
I think Warmon said it does add the bonus in now, so you might be confusing him because of that.
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elel
December 30, 2010 2:08:32 AM
N.Broekhuijsen said:
ahahaha issues with my PSU? nah, just solved those a few weeks ago. my 3 year old 520watt PSU wasn't able to pull by 965 with my new 6870
Well that clarified a lot anyways. So the bonus points, they get put in place when exactly? was it after you completed 10 SMP WU's?
Well I just got in a nice big WU couple hours ago
2 million steps, it's been going for 3:43hrs and is only at 16%.....
great.... please tell me there are more points for these "insane" WU's...
I know im being a bit of a drag now but later I hope to be helping out on this forum to make up for it
Not a problem. If you look at this page you will see each work unit which is being given out right now and all of the stats about it. Running the SMP client, I have been getting mostly 60xx and 670x work units. The two million step WU you have now is almost certainly a 670x WU, which is the larger type. I am running a phenom II 955 @ 3.5 Ghz, and on this with 98% utilization (average) I complete the WU in 22 - 23 hours and get somewhere in the range of 4500 points for it. For the other ones, I think I take 9 hours or so, and get around 2500 points. With your higher overclock, you will complete the WUs faster and get more points each. I have been meaning to calculate out just how much of a difference different clocks make, since the bonus formula includes a sqrt function which I think might cause diminishing returns. I'm not sure though; it might just balance something else out. One of these days
Overall, I'm guessing that you should be able to pull 5-7k ppd depending on the WU. FAHmon will tell you for sure.
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Is this confusing, is fahmon also calculating bonus points now?
I haven't used it so I don't know.
FAHmon does calculate bonus points.
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elel
December 30, 2010 2:12:37 AM
warmon6 said:
Although dont view the benchmarker in Fahmon. At least after a WU is done. with Fahmon under Ubuntu 10.10 the benchmarker says i should be earning....
5.1 million PPD....... with 8s tpf on a "mobile" 1.86GHz Pentium dual core cpu.......
Hey Stanford! Why am i not reaching this 5.1 million ppd! im only able to reach 1K ppd! JK
I think I clicked on the benchmark once. At least I must have. Because a week later, I ran out of space on my hard drive. What the...? I finally found the culprit. A 400 something gig FAHmon benchmark file. I don't know what it puts in that file, but it must have been very busy
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shovenose
December 30, 2010 2:14:38 AM
elel said:
I think I clicked on the benchmark once. At least I must have. Because a week later, I ran out of space on my hard drive. What the...? I finally found the culprit. A 400 something gig FAHmon benchmark file. I don't know what it puts in that file, but it must have been very busy
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elkein
December 31, 2010 3:32:04 AM
Thought I'd jump in here and say I joined the Toms team folding about thirty hours ago, so far so good. My name is the same on the stats list. I should mention that I don't think I will run twin GPU clients because of my PSU.
It's 650HX corsair. Running I5 750 at 3.7ghz, twin 9800gtx+(SLI) and JBOD, not sure about pushing all six cores for an extended period on 650 watts so I'll just run five. I also have a PS3 client running and an older computer than won't run a high performance client.
This is seasonal, when the AC goes on the clients go off.
It's 650HX corsair. Running I5 750 at 3.7ghz, twin 9800gtx+(SLI) and JBOD, not sure about pushing all six cores for an extended period on 650 watts so I'll just run five. I also have a PS3 client running and an older computer than won't run a high performance client.
This is seasonal, when the AC goes on the clients go off.
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elkein said:
Thought I'd jump in here and say I joined the Toms team folding about thirty hours ago, so far so good. My name is the same on the stats list. I should mention that I don't think I will run twin GPU clients because of my PSU. It's 650HX corsair. Running I5 750 at 3.7ghz, twin 9800gtx+(SLI) and JBOD, not sure about pushing all six cores for an extended period on 650 watts so I'll just run five. I also have a PS3 client running and an older computer than won't run a high performance client.
This is seasonal, when the AC goes on the clients go off.
the 650HX can easily power that at full load so don't worry
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elkein said:
Thought I'd jump in here and say I joined the Toms team folding about thirty hours ago, so far so good. My name is the same on the stats list. I should mention that I don't think I will run twin GPU clients because of my PSU. It's 650HX corsair. Running I5 750 at 3.7ghz, twin 9800gtx+(SLI) and JBOD, not sure about pushing all six cores for an extended period on 650 watts so I'll just run five. I also have a PS3 client running and an older computer than won't run a high performance client.
This is seasonal, when the AC goes on the clients go off.
+1 to mindless
And welcome to the team.
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elkein
December 31, 2010 12:32:13 PM
Anyone able to directly reference a spot on running the second GPU client, Folding says if done wrong will actually seriously hamper their output.
Also wanting to keep the setup simple enough to still use for gaming without a five minute changeover...
As far as I can tell it's disable sli, plug a monitor into the second card, reboot if not automatically detected by windows.
Is that it, does the client automatically try to use the second GPU independently, tell it to be machine 3 and it's good to go?
edit added_ gpu assignment works with SLI on no need to disable.
Also wanting to keep the setup simple enough to still use for gaming without a five minute changeover...
As far as I can tell it's disable sli, plug a monitor into the second card, reboot if not automatically detected by windows.
Is that it, does the client automatically try to use the second GPU independently, tell it to be machine 3 and it's good to go?
edit added_ gpu assignment works with SLI on no need to disable.
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I printed these out and followed them to a tee to get my 2x460's running, multiple gpu.
http://folding.stanford.edu/English/WinGPUGuide#ntoc4
I don't think SLI has to even be disabled in some cases, good luck.
I suggest setting up the 1st card as per instructions and running it before setting up the 2nd, and remember to delete your old work logs, very important, its all in the instructions.
http://folding.stanford.edu/English/WinGPUGuide#ntoc4
I don't think SLI has to even be disabled in some cases, good luck.
I suggest setting up the 1st card as per instructions and running it before setting up the 2nd, and remember to delete your old work logs, very important, its all in the instructions.
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elkein
December 31, 2010 8:53:43 PM
Okay I got the twin GPU clients to play nice with each other, for whatever reason the "display" only works on the first gpu client. Without a third party monitor who knows what kind of performance is really coming for GPU2, watching evga precision shows it's around 90% busy and choppy. Still far more horsepower than the old computer. Also started the basic client on the oldie.
So Folding a:
core I5 750 at 3.7
Twin 9800 gtx+
PS3
Core 2 duo e4400
Let em roll AmerenUE loves me.
So Folding a:
core I5 750 at 3.7
Twin 9800 gtx+
PS3
Core 2 duo e4400
Let em roll AmerenUE loves me.
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elkein said:
Okay I got the twin GPU clients to play nice with each other, for whatever reason the "display" only works on the first gpu client. Without a third party monitor who knows what kind of performance is really coming for GPU2, watching evga precision shows it's around 90% busy and choppy. Still far more horsepower than the old computer. Also started the basic client on the oldie.So Folding a:
core I5 750 at 3.7
Twin 9800 gtx+
PS3
Core 2 duo e4400
Let em roll AmerenUE loves me.
You have to have a monitor plugged into each card or a dummy vga/pci.
Mine both fold at 99% all the time under MSI Afterburner.
You should be able to view each cards perfomance seperately on one monitor, gpu and gpu2 for example.
Nice going though, should rack up a few quick points.
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elel
January 1, 2011 1:36:21 PM
beanoslim said:
You have to have a monitor plugged into each card or a dummy vga/pci.Mine both fold at 99% all the time under MSI Afterburner.
You should be able to view each cards perfomance seperately on one monitor, gpu and gpu2 for example.
Nice going though, should rack up a few quick points.
Hmm...
From what i know of, as long as you have the newer nvidia drivers, (the 2xx.xx's) you should be able to fold on multiple cards without having to add a monitor to them. Maybe im wrong.
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elkein
January 1, 2011 2:22:34 PM
Regardless, my 24 hour total will be done this evening, it's looking pretty good around 11K, for a new box, an old box, and a ps3. the old box is like a whopping 50 points or so of that. that's in the top ten producers here at Toms, I'm not going to complain.
edit added: This is almost entirely from the PC, the PS3 was "occupied" with other duties for much of the evening yesterday.
edit added: This is almost entirely from the PC, the PS3 was "occupied" with other duties for much of the evening yesterday.
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@Elel, yeah that would show him his points but not performance while folding.
@Warmon, I have found that the gpu's will keep folding if you pull the monitor out after you have started folding. I have a monitor with a dual input so its not a problem for me anyway, just leave it plugged in.
@Elkein, yup nice work, what does the PS3 come up as ppd, just out of interest?
Merry New Happy Year Holidays Everyone.
P.S. Man down, maintenance and mobo issues.
@Warmon, I have found that the gpu's will keep folding if you pull the monitor out after you have started folding. I have a monitor with a dual input so its not a problem for me anyway, just leave it plugged in.
@Elkein, yup nice work, what does the PS3 come up as ppd, just out of interest?
Merry New Happy Year Holidays Everyone.
P.S. Man down, maintenance and mobo issues.
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smithereen
January 1, 2011 7:03:11 PM
elkein
January 1, 2011 7:09:15 PM
I don't know about tracking the PPD from the PS3 via any site or utility, so I just gave it a separate username for now, it's actually a time stamp ElkeinPS31,1,2011,1452cst. I'll let it run for a couple days then it'll have it's own total that can be determined. It does show it's performance, which is only about 1/2 of a 9800gtx+ gpu client.
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AK419
January 1, 2011 8:04:42 PM
elkein said:
I don't know about tracking the PPD from the PS3 via any site or utility, so I just gave it a separate username for now, it's actually a time stamp ElkeinPS31,1,2011,1452cst. I'll let it run for a couple days then it'll have it's own total that can be determined. It does show it's performance, which is only about 1/2 of a 9800gtx+ gpu client.My understanding is that the PS3 will generate about 1K PPD. On the other hand, I would expect the 9800gtx+ to produce at least 5K PPD. This is because each of my 8800GT (overclocked) produce that much per day.
Happy New Year Everyone!
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elel
January 2, 2011 2:28:09 AM
elkein
January 2, 2011 4:41:16 AM
The PS3 does appear to be turning in approximately 1050 per day, I have one of the last a late model fattie, up to date on updates. I don't know if there are significant differences in the firmware or hardware over the various PS3's to make a measurable difference. Any way it's nothing breathtaking compared to any mainstream PC. It's only finished the one WU and that was good for 251 points, I interrupted the next WU to use it a bit.
edit added: Obviously the HX 650 PSU has survived 30 hours at this load level, the air coming out of it is warm, I'd have to borrow the thermometer from work to check it's real temps. Other hardware is happy on temps CPU 66c (gain of 1c in 24 hours, and I have a couple hundred rpm of fan available) GPU 1at 74c, GPU 2 at 68, mb. I'm not sure I fully believe FAHMON's info it's saying around 6.6k for the cpu, 6.1 for GPU1, no data for GPU2 ( perhaps 90% performance 5k ?) anyhow, only the facts of running for a week or two will show much, I have only got 32 hours with all clients of my PC clients running. The underwhelming PS3 client will be reverted back to my main name as of now. I also have a few days off work now too to mess around, yes my government employee schedule is peculiar.
edit added: Obviously the HX 650 PSU has survived 30 hours at this load level, the air coming out of it is warm, I'd have to borrow the thermometer from work to check it's real temps. Other hardware is happy on temps CPU 66c (gain of 1c in 24 hours, and I have a couple hundred rpm of fan available) GPU 1at 74c, GPU 2 at 68, mb. I'm not sure I fully believe FAHMON's info it's saying around 6.6k for the cpu, 6.1 for GPU1, no data for GPU2 ( perhaps 90% performance 5k ?) anyhow, only the facts of running for a week or two will show much, I have only got 32 hours with all clients of my PC clients running. The underwhelming PS3 client will be reverted back to my main name as of now. I also have a few days off work now too to mess around, yes my government employee schedule is peculiar.
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edit added: Obviously the HX 650 PSU has survived 30 hours at this load level, the air coming out of it is warm, I'd have to borrow the thermometer from work to check it's real temps. Other hardware is happy on temps CPU 66c (gain of 1c in 24 hours, and I have a couple hundred rpm of fan available) GPU 1at 74c, GPU 2 at 68, mb. I'm not sure I fully believe FAHMON's info it's saying around 6.6k for the cpu, 6.1 for GPU1, no data for GPU2 ( perhaps 90% performance 5k ?) anyhow, only the facts of running for a week or two will show much, I have only got 32 hours with all clients of my PC clients running. The underwhelming PS3 client will be reverted back to my main name as of now. I also have a few days off work now too to mess around, yes my government employee schedule is peculiarYou sure you have the cards working on individual wu's and not the same. Don't wanna do what I did and work away on the same unit on each card and only get one credit.
Why is that card not running full load?
Deleated the old work files / got a different machine id for each card / core priority settings?
If you have the gpu's set up properly you should have 2 different log files and by pointing each gpu client to each folder will enable you to view the data for each individual card.
Try setting up HFM.net, that might work.
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elkein
January 2, 2011 5:32:19 PM
beanoslim said:
You sure you have the cards working on individual wu's and not the same. Don't wanna do what I did and work away on the same unit on each card and only get one credit.
Why is that card not running full load?
Deleated the old work files / got a different machine id for each card / core priority settings?
If you have the gpu's set up properly you should have 2 different log files and by pointing each gpu client to each folder will enable you to view the data for each individual card.
Try setting up HFM.net, that might work.
No they are definitely working independently, on separate projects(logs confirmed). I believe I may not be getting any -bonus- yet, I have done several of those 2 million step smp WUs they take a while like 15 hours, I doubt ten smp WU have been done yet.
I did think I'll modify the installation later, I followed the multi gpu client installation as precisely as I can determine, but I still think I ought to try installing it my way and see what happens. Like I said last night not at work so I can dink around a bit. Try and be patient I am a noob at this on day four.
edit added: just checked the smp log it is at 68 hours, and working on WU # 5, no bonuses yet if I understand that system.
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elel
January 2, 2011 5:59:31 PM
elkein
January 2, 2011 7:29:54 PM
Okay played with various installations there are different ways to install and run it. But I have no improvement in performance, so reverting back to the official installation method. I have isolated that the GPU clients maximize(both running 100%) their performance, if I shut down the SMP client. But the net effect is much less folding and points without the SMP running. Basically there's a bottleneck with all six cores maxed out, I have no idea where. Stopping any of the cores results in less performance though. This may not present on x58 based systems, but it is on my p6p55d-e pro MOBO I5 750, running the twin 9800 gtx+'s. Generally doesn't show up in games either the GPU's stay at 100% untill the core I5 exceeds 90%.
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elkein
January 2, 2011 10:13:30 PM
elkein
January 2, 2011 10:48:22 PM
shovenose
January 2, 2011 11:02:45 PM
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