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December 18, 2011 2:46:05 AM

I get A4s (SMP, V7), however they vary wildly in PPD. They can be both higher and lower than Client V6 A3s. On my FX 8120, they vary from 5-20k PPD and on my i7 970 they vary from 20-50k PPD.
December 18, 2011 3:30:39 AM

Yeah I have an FX-4100 and they will be anywhere from 4-10K depending on the WU.

Definitely using all threads. I just thought it was odd that I haven't seen an a3 yet on the v7 client.
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December 18, 2011 11:59:03 AM

I can't remember if I have had them or not - they are rare at least.
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December 18, 2011 7:18:13 PM

The competitiveness is getting to me! Letting BOINC finish up existing tasks then I'll be running SMP on my fx-6100 as well (:
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December 18, 2011 8:22:02 PM

wieschie said:
The competitiveness is getting to me! Letting BOINC finish up existing tasks then I'll be running SMP on my fx-6100 as well (:


Just dont burn your self out from F@H! :lol: 

December 18, 2011 8:33:08 PM

warmon6 said:
Just dont burn your self out from F@H! :lol: 

http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/BurnOut.jpg/$file/BurnOut.jpg


My GPU is the one that runs hot :lol: 

CPU'll do just fine. Though honestly in the summer I'm probably going to move it to the basement. It's 5-10 degrees warmer in my room with the 570 constantly folding..


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December 19, 2011 2:18:01 PM

ack! double threat!



I need moar power!
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December 19, 2011 5:33:11 PM

What the Heck?
December 19, 2011 7:16:37 PM

warmon6 said:
ack! double threat!

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx241/warmon6/threat2.png

I need moar power!



I keep upping my ppd but everyone else is too... Go team!

Haven't installed Fahmon on my laptop; I should do that. And I'll be starting SMP on my desktop later tonight :D 
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December 19, 2011 8:47:44 PM

@warmon:

I can only fold on my A8 laptop. Someone do BigAdv for the team!
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December 19, 2011 9:41:26 PM

dogman_1234 said:
@warmon:

I can only fold on my A8 laptop. Someone do BigAdv for the team!


well you're able to make more points than i can. unless i start using my dads 1st gen i7 laptop but that wont happen as that thing gets hot real quick. :hot: 
December 19, 2011 9:50:31 PM

Can anyone explain bigadv to me or link me a good guide? I'm running off to dinner and haven't the time to search for it.

It seems to be a more intensive/larger WU but how does it work/what is needed to run one?
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December 19, 2011 10:00:14 PM

Well, long story short: it's essentially a bloated or super sized smp2 wu. It's mainly designed to run on workstation/server setups that meet the requirements.

As for requirements: You currently need 8 threads at the min to run them (for cpu's like the core i7 920, you needed to overclock them to at least 3.6 GHz to make the deadlines).

Although on Jan. 16, that requirement is going up to 16 threads.

http://folding.typepad.com/news/2011/11/planned-changes...

Quote:
NOVEMBER 14, 2011
Planned changes to "Big Advanced" (BA) projects, effective January 16, 2012

Big Advanced (BA) is an experimental type of Folding@home WUs intended for the most powerful machines in FAH. However, as time goes on, technology advances, and the characteristics associated with the most powerful machines changes. Due to these advances in hardware capabilities, we will need to periodically change the BA minimum requirements. Thus, we are shortening the deadlines of the BA projects. As a result, assignments will have a 16 core minimum. To give donors some advance warning, we are announcing this now, but the change will take place in 2 months: no earlier than on Monday January 16, 2012.

We understand that any changes to how FAH works is a disruption for donors, and we have been trying to minimize such changes. For that reason, we are not changing the points system at this time.

However, we want to emphasize that the BA program is experimental and that donors should expect changes in the future, potentially without a lot of notice (although we will try our best to give as much notice as we can). In particular, as hardware evolves, it is expected that we will need to change the nature of the BA WUs again in the future.



As for the purpose of Bigadv to the guys that run F@H: It's mainly to get work that they need done real quick (2 to 3 days or less turn around time) or work that cant be broken down to meet the normal smp requirements. (last part rare but i think someone one the f@h forum mentioned it at one point in time.
December 19, 2011 10:06:44 PM

^ I could be wrong but I think that change will kick a lot of people to vanilla SMP.
December 19, 2011 10:37:53 PM

lilcinw said:
^ I could be wrong but I think that change will kick a lot of people to vanilla SMP.



Anyone with a 'quad' core (HT = 2x threads) intel cpu will be kicked down by this change - you need to be running a server cpu or a multi-cpu setup to get anything more than 8 cores. Either I'm definitely not running any of those myself. In the future I'd love to have a dedicated folding server but that's quite far off at the moment.

To be honest it seems odd that they aren't pursuing any larger GPU WUs - my 570 will finish a 500m iteration WU (standard for GPUs) in around 2 hours and I've never seen anything larger.
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December 19, 2011 10:44:50 PM

There is an SMP2?
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December 19, 2011 11:04:19 PM

I'm on another 6903 (Big Bigadv) right now, around 50% done I think. It will probably be my last, unless I squeeze one more in next year before the change. The kick back to SMP won't be too terrible for me - drops me from around 70k PPD to 40-45k PPD. And the 6903s are fairly inconvienint - a few solid days of folding (I often need to use the comp for other things).
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December 19, 2011 11:20:56 PM

Smp2 been around for a little while (v6 client and v7)

Although the only difference that i can remember between the original smp and the smp2 is the way it used the cpu.

Original smp had to create a separate process for each thread it was going to use. So if you had a quad core cpu, in task manager you would see 4 seperate process for F@H running at 25%.

Compared to now where smp2 can make 1 process for all the threads it needs.

Now i know there was more than that between smp and smp2 but since i joined a few months after smp2 was made, i really didn't see much of the original smp. Maybe Ak or MM could fill the details there.
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December 19, 2011 11:22:56 PM

EXT64 said:
I'm on another 6903 (Big Bigadv) right now, around 50% done I think. It will probably be my last, unless I squeeze one more in next year before the change. The kick back to SMP won't be too terrible for me - drops me from around 70k PPD to 40-45k PPD. And the 6903s are fairly inconvienint - a few solid days of folding (I often need to use the comp for other things).


whatever "floats the boat" i'd say. :bounce:  Although sound's like the smp is a bit better for you with the longer time lines.
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December 19, 2011 11:47:16 PM

It is, but getting those huge WUs (and huge amounts of points at once, 250k+) is tempting and will be missed.
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December 20, 2011 12:47:40 AM

Does anyone know what is up with the team HPCS?

Whoever is behind the team has an output that almost matches the top two PPD teams together. The team only started showing up a few days ago, and it pass us in only a week or so.

I wonder what sort of hardware is behind the one folder on HPCS. Must be some nice equipment.
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December 20, 2011 12:52:43 AM

Look at the huge #'s of WUs. Might be someone testing out the individual nodes of a supercomputer or something. Would be really cool to know.

Edit: HPC does stand for high performance computing.
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December 20, 2011 2:05:50 AM

So, on a completely different note, is anyone else getting these tiny SMP WU's? Their base credit is 88.59 and my current one is under Project 8004. They end up getting good PPD (about 15-20k for my 8120) and are very short run time (50-60 seconds TPF). A very refreshing change after those miserable 7610 and 7611 WUs which my 1055T is still stuck with, but I've never seen anything like them before.
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December 20, 2011 2:22:44 AM

HPCS links to HPCloud computing. Wtf. Maybe folding@home is a way to stress test server farms these days?
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December 20, 2011 2:36:25 AM

Well, it would be excellent for that. I've found it excellent at finding CPU and memory bus errors. Many traditional CPU test programs reside in the cache so they stress the CPU more but the memory hardly at all.
December 20, 2011 3:02:57 AM

I had a run of the small SMP WUs one day while I was at work. I wondered if my GPU had kicked in or something because I was dropping WUs too consistently.
December 20, 2011 4:07:18 AM

werxen said:
HPCS links to HPCloud computing. Wtf. Maybe folding@home is a way to stress test server farms these days?


Wow, I'm jealous...
December 21, 2011 4:38:24 AM

Does anyone have any experience running FahMon with the SMP2 client?

I directed to the folder where the client exe and work files are and FahMon registers progress and I can see the program logs. But it doesn't recognize the core, has no idea about the deadline, and lists ppd as 0. Any workaround for this?
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December 21, 2011 9:55:06 AM

Nice sig Wieschie [:aford10:7] The Mouseman cometh. :o 

I suppose you've read this-

Adding New Clients to FahMon

1.Right click in the clients list area, and select Add new client
2.Enter the name for the new client, this is just a nickname used in the client list
3.Browse for the client folder (the folder containing FAHlog.txt and unitinfo.txt etc.) or manually type in a path

Valid filepaths on Windows, are any local folders like D:\F@H\ or D:\Program Files\Folding@home\ and also UNC paths for network shares i.e. //machine1/client1/

And maybe re-start the client.

Oh, and it doesn't work with v7.
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December 21, 2011 12:36:20 PM

EXT64 said:
So, on a completely different note, is anyone else getting these tiny SMP WU's? Their base credit is 88.59 and my current one is under Project 8004. They end up getting good PPD (about 15-20k for my 8120) and are very short run time (50-60 seconds TPF). A very refreshing change after those miserable 7610 and 7611 WUs which my 1055T is still stuck with, but I've never seen anything like them before.



Yep, thats all I'm getting, says the i7 @4ghz is 34k ppd and 35 sec tpf.
December 21, 2011 3:42:37 PM

beanoslim said:
Nice sig Wieschie [:aford10:7] The Mouseman cometh. :o 

I suppose you've read this-

Adding New Clients to FahMon

1.Right click in the clients list area, and select Add new client
2.Enter the name for the new client, this is just a nickname used in the client list
3.Browse for the client folder (the folder containing FAHlog.txt and unitinfo.txt etc.) or manually type in a path

Valid filepaths on Windows, are any local folders like D:\F@H\ or D:\Program Files\Folding@home\ and also UNC paths for network shares i.e. //machine1/client1/

And maybe re-start the client.

Oh, and it doesn't work with v7.


I was using it with v6 and had no luck (still running it on my laptop and can't get it to work), but then I switched to v7 on my desktop. I'm a fan (it's much more similar to the BOINC interface that I'm used to. AND PAUSING WORKS NOW! I had never been able to get pause to work before.

Anyway, numbers on ppd:

~15-16k for GPU3
~6.5k on SMP
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December 21, 2011 3:47:44 PM

I like client V7 too. I really only use V6 when doing big bigadv in linux. bigadv doesn't seem to work very well on the windows V7 client.
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December 21, 2011 7:37:27 PM

wieschie said:
I was using it with v6 and had no luck (still running it on my laptop and can't get it to work), but then I switched to v7 on my desktop. I'm a fan (it's much more similar to the BOINC interface that I'm used to. AND PAUSING WORKS NOW! I had never been able to get pause to work before.

Anyway, numbers on ppd:

~15-16k for GPU3
~6.5k on SMP



I used to use fahman and hfm.net with v6 with no issues.

Hopefully someone will develop something similar for v7.

v7 is so much easier to setup but still has a lot of annoying bugs.

I was thinking the 570 would have higher ppd but I suppose it depends on the wu's, I get anything from 11-16k on my GTX460.
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December 21, 2011 10:29:29 PM

Yay, top producer on the team - for a couple hours. I'll be shutting down for break tonight.
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December 21, 2011 10:59:01 PM

EXT64 said:
Yay, top producer on the team - for a couple hours. I'll be shutting down for break tonight.

Why? It's not like anyone's going to be leaping out of the shadows and shoving a long, sharp bladed weapon between your shoulder blades because you're catching up at 5k a day or anything? :whistle: 
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December 21, 2011 11:15:51 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Why? It's not like anyone's going to be leaping out of the shadows and shoving a long, sharp bladed weapon between your shoulder blades because you're catching up at 5k a day or anything? :whistle: 

Mouseman is a spy!

The cake is a lie?!

EXT's PPD is going to die!

Want some pi?
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December 21, 2011 11:55:34 PM

No...he just Wants You Gone!
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December 22, 2011 1:49:05 AM

Sorry if I annoy anyone. I suppose I get a little carried away sometimes.
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December 22, 2011 7:27:37 AM

EXT64 said:
Yay, top producer on the team - for a couple hours. I'll be shutting down for break tonight.


Nice Christmas present for AK, 2nd on the producers chart, total devastation...... :pfff: 

Nice work team, have a great Christmas or Holidays, hopefully Santa will bring some new hardware for the New Year.

Thats if he can get down the chimney.

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December 22, 2011 7:28:40 AM

Haserath said:
Mouseman is a spy!

The cake is a lie?!

EXT's PPD is going to die!

Want some pi?



Lay off the sherry Has. :D 
December 23, 2011 3:58:01 PM

Finally got around to quantifying the added performance from my overclocks, and I was quite pleasantly surprised. It's close to a 25% improvement in FLOPS (which is basically all the SMP workunits are).



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December 24, 2011 12:48:28 PM

AAAAAnd AK returns to the top of the tree, normal service is resumed. :D 
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December 24, 2011 1:22:42 PM

beanoslim said:
AAAAAnd AK returns to the top of the tree, normal service is resumed. :D 


for now....

December 25, 2011 1:51:35 AM

warmon6 said:
for now....

For some reason, I felt a big red target sign was just painted on my back ...... ;) 

Happy Holidays Everyone!
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December 25, 2011 1:58:36 AM

AK419 said:
For some reason, I felt a big red target sign was just painted on my back ...... ;) 

Happy Holidays Everyone!

You know you love it that way! :lol: 
Have a great Xmas mate, and that goes for the rest of the team too.
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December 25, 2011 3:05:45 AM

Happy Holidays!

Sorry Ak, just couldn't resist. :lol:  even though it's Christmas, for some reason, i always have a Halloween like spirit.

Dont know why, i just like being evil at times....
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December 25, 2011 3:51:59 AM

Merry Christmas!
December 25, 2011 1:57:18 PM

warmon6 said:
Happy Holidays!

Sorry Ak, just couldn't resist. :lol:  even though it's Christmas, for some reason, i always have a Halloween like spirit.

Dont know why, i just like being evil at times....

Don't worry about it, I was just playing along. :) 


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