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December 28, 2012 7:10:24 AM

This sticky is to provide a centralised thread to post information (news, rumors & reviews) related to future Intel processors
long as we all follow the forum rules (ToU and RoC) and Stay on target. Personal attacks to another user will be deleted but I hope not to have to do this, we're adults after all.

Ivy Bridge discussion has moved!

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/332628-28-official-th...

The Haswell thread is full!

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/303971-28-haswell-new...

Have fun!

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December 28, 2012 9:21:50 AM

a li'l recap:
haswell:
Analysis: Intel shows off Haswell, minus the important bits
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/09/21/analysis-intel-shows...
Intel admits Haswell uses transactional memory
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/02/07/intel-admits-haswell...
Haswell is a graphics monster
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/02/08/haswell-is-a-graphic...
Haswell’s GPU prowess is due to Crystalwell
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/04/02/haswells-gpu-prowess...
Haswell-EP to use the same socket, just totally different
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/07/09/haswell-ep-to-use-th...
Haswell graphics for GT1 and GT2 revealed
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/08/31/haswell-graphics-for...
Haswell GT3 uses shaders to save power
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/09/07/haswell-gt3-uses-sha...
Crystalwell is very wide memory for Haswell GT3
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/09/10/crystalwell-is-very-...
Intel to split up ULV with Haswell
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/12/05/intel-to-split-up-ul...

Intel's Haswell Architecture Analyzed: Building a New PC and a New Intel
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6355/intels-haswell-archi...
Making Sense of the Intel Haswell Transactional Synchronization eXtensions
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6290/making-sense-of-inte...
Intel Haswell Info: Single Chip for Ultrabooks, GT3 GPU for Mobile, LGA-1150 for Desktop
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5078/intel-haswell-info-s...
Haswell at IDF 2012: 10W is the New 17W
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6248/haswell-at-idf-2012-...

Specifications of Intel's Mobile Haswell CPUs Leaked
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-haswell-mobile-c...
Leaked Slide Shows Intel Haswell Set for March-June 2013
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Intel-Haswell-LGA-1150...
Haswell CPUs to Top Out at 3.5 GHz (desktop)
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-haswell-leaked-c...

latest:
Intel to Offer Nine Types of Haswell Processors in Four Types of Packages.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20121227233038...
Intel’s Haswell to Feature Secret Weapon: Integrated Voltage Regulator.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20121226225930...

broadwell:
Intel’s Broadwell CPU; more details leak
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/29/intels-broadwell-cpu...
Exclusive: Intel’s Broadwell CPU chipsets
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/10/26/exlcusive-intels-bro...

beyond broadwell:
ye olde rumor on skylake/skymont (says broadwell is 16nm. go figure.)
After Intel’s Haswell comes Broadwell, Sk……
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/03/31/after-intels-haswell...
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December 28, 2012 10:23:55 AM

Thanks!
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January 1, 2013 4:37:35 AM

PC CPUs in 2013 - Year of the Haswell
http://vr-zone.com/articles/pc-cpus-in-2013--year-of-th...
there may be a few mistakes in the article such as core i7 2700k, unlocked k cpus lacking vt-d support (not vt-x, afaik almost all cpus have vt-x support), unlocked haswell core i5 being labelled as core i5 4670k, etc....just noticed in the tpu link that there are two i7 k cpus listed at i7 4670k and 4770k while k series i5 is 4570k...

Shark Bay one-chip platform explained
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/29957-shark-bay-one-c...

Arctic Leaks Bucket List of Socket LGA1150 Processor Model Numbers
http://www.techpowerup.com/178028/Arctic-Leaks-Bucket-L...

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January 2, 2013 8:28:32 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1150

Quote:
Based on the supposed leak of an Intel document, cooling solutions for LGA 1155 and LGA 1156 sockets are compatible with LGA 1150, due to them having the same distance of 75 mm between each screw hole, however Intel has not confirmed this.
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January 3, 2013 9:44:17 PM

"I wanted to ask your thoughts on DDR4 and whether it's practical yet for consumer computers. I understand that with the emergence of on-die GPUs the need for faster RAM will only become greater. Is Intel considering the memory format for any eventual consumer sockets?"

"We're considering it, yes. We also have alternatives to that for on-die GPUs. Stay tuned."
January 4, 2013 12:05:54 AM

^ Where? Who ?
January 4, 2013 3:35:32 AM

Anybody heard recently about an upcoming "8-core" i7-3980X? Some of the rumor sites are spreading this, but do not offer much in the way of details or sources for the info.
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January 4, 2013 4:29:50 AM

The alternative is GT3 which has embedded ram.
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January 4, 2013 8:36:19 AM

ebalong said:
Anybody heard recently about an upcoming "8-core" i7-3980X? Some of the rumor sites are spreading this, but do not offer much in the way of details or sources for the info.

strictly a rumor.

if you have the time, an alleged intel engineer did a AMA on reddit, some rather interesting stuff even if it was a fraud.
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/15iaet/iama_cpu_a...

if i have it right: some 8 cores do come out of the die but it is not possible to enable 2 of them . . .
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January 4, 2013 11:21:33 AM

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6536/arm-vs-x86-the-real-...

Heh, what we all knew proved again.

Exy 5 and Krait are indeed more than a power match for Intel as it stands. I'd say it was a good call to delay the 22nm Atoms to further tweak them.

Cheers!
January 4, 2013 1:59:23 PM

Anonymous said:
strictly a rumor.

if you have the time, an alleged intel engineer did a AMA on reddit, some rather interesting stuff even if it was a fraud.
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/15iaet/iama_cpu_a...

if i have it right: some 8 cores do come out of the die but it is not possible to enable 2 of them . . .



Well, then some of those sites should be more careful with their wording, because they are stating this stuff as products Intel fully intends to put forth, and not just as a "maybe", "potential", or "don't quote me on it, but it's rumored that Intel might do this...." etc.


Edit: It also irritates me when someone says that their will be an 8-core SB-E chip coming out in the next few months, and piques my interest, when it's mostly fluffy rumor, and an old one at that!
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January 4, 2013 5:07:27 PM

mayankleoboy1 said:
^ Where? Who ?


That was my own question directed to a CPU architect working on Haswell. I missed the guys AMA so it was a PM question. He was verified so, yes, it's legit.
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January 6, 2013 5:19:25 AM

Quote:
I understand that with the emergence of on-die GPUs the need for faster RAM will only become greater.


Faster RAM or more channels.
i3/i5 only use Dual channel DDR3.
They could go to triple or quad like the i7 and Xeons use.

A low end Radeon 7750 has 72 GB/s of dedicated memory.
An i5 3570K only gets 28 GB/s

In theory DDR4 should double that to 56GB/s, which means they would need at least 3 channels of DDR4 to get i5+discrete level bandwidth. That won't happen until after Broadwell.

With Haswell GT3 we'll get to see what kind of benefit a small on-die buffer gives.
January 10, 2013 4:52:47 AM

Yea, but at some point there has to be a definition, at least on announcement.
The numbers will tell the whole story, then its only a matter of time.
Seeing other solutions with higher clocks doing as well, whats to announce?
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January 10, 2013 6:25:21 AM

the top core cpus seem to have tdp rating in the first slide at the top of that page. only the lp ivy cpus rated with 'sdp' (or bsdp... >_>) in that slide.
these chips are 13w chips no matter how they're looked at. i think that competing arm chips still use tdp instead of some convoluted new acronym. that is why intel, instead of actually using a better binned chip, decided to bs people into thinking they launched chips with 7w tdp.
January 10, 2013 3:07:24 PM

de5_Roy said:
just started reading:

Intel Haswell GT3e GPU Performance Compared to NVIDIA's GeForce GT 650M
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6600/intel-haswell-gt3e-g...


Sadly no numbers, just impressions.

Until it gets benched properly, I wouldn't be assuming it is the equal of the GT650M.
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January 10, 2013 9:21:25 PM

Chad Boga said:
Sadly no numbers, just impressions.

Until it gets benched properly, I wouldn't be assuming it is the equal of the GT650M.


Plus, one was a notebook and another was a tower/case. Totally different cooling capabilities.

If you ask me, I'd even give the kudos to the lappy here for being so awesome against a tower like that.

Cheers! :p 
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January 11, 2013 10:57:17 AM

Trusted source confirms soldered-on small-mobo-vendors-destroyer Broadwell CPUs
http://techreport.com/news/24191/trusted-source-confirm...
looks like the cpu+mobo will become the new gfx card. stay tuned for stuff like
msi twin frozr vii core i7 5700k,
asus ares i5 5670k @ 5 ghz
gigabyte windforce v oc 5800k @ 4.9 ghz
jetway superhipster core i3 5210 (with eye-bleaching yellow ramslots and orange pcie x16 slots)
asrock oc formula/fatal1ty 5700k 4.8 ghz (slightly warped)

haswell gt3 vs gt650m tr ver.
http://techreport.com/news/24187/haswell-integrated-gra...

edit:
Intel Haswell Overclocking Preview – The Return of BCLK Overclocking?
http://www.hardcoreware.net/intel-haswell-base-clock-ov...
January 14, 2013 1:23:56 AM

As far as the latest leak, Haswell is delayed to June. Even Anand said this in his CES coverage.
January 14, 2013 7:30:36 AM

Aaand the press is abuzz with "Haswell 200% faster than IB".
Slightly sickening to see this repeated ad infinitum, without actual reproducible confirmable data.
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January 14, 2013 8:33:25 AM

from what i've read, haswell's highest desktop igpu has only 4 more shaders than hd4000 (assuming that's the reason it's called hd4600 in the 'leak's). there's no way that 4 more shaders can add triple digit performance improvement. i suspect that intel is comparing gt3 igpu (in a desktop enclusure to allow higher thermal limits) to ivy bridge's hd2500. then there's intel's crappy drivers. they improve slightly ... but the problems never seem to go away.
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January 14, 2013 11:08:09 AM

de5_Roy said:
from what i've read, haswell's highest desktop igpu has only 4 more shaders than hd4000 (assuming that's the reason it's called hd4600 in the 'leak's). there's no way that 4 more shaders can add triple digit performance improvement. i suspect that intel is comparing gt3 igpu (in a desktop enclusure to allow higher thermal limits) to ivy bridge's hd2500. then there's intel's crappy drivers. they improve slightly ... but the problems never seem to go away.


Not necessarily. Remember that, for example, NVIDIA and AMD have different shader counts, the big difference is how much work each shader does. If each shader got a significant performance boost, given how Rasterization scales well, you can easily expect an exponential performance increase.

Granted, I want numbers, but given how it apparently gets performance somewhere in the neighborhood of the GT650, is a promising sign.
January 14, 2013 11:20:07 AM

^ AFAIR from the Anandtech coverage, the design of GT3 is very similar to the HD4000.
Only the total number of shaders has increased to increase performance (and even then, they work at slower speeds to conserve power).

And Anand more than hinted that real changed will come in Broadwell. (which has been countered to some extent by Charlie)
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January 14, 2013 11:44:18 AM

gamerk316 said:
Not necessarily. Remember that, for example, NVIDIA and AMD have different shader counts, the big difference is how much work each shader does. If each shader got a significant performance boost, given how Rasterization scales well, you can easily expect an exponential performance increase.

Granted, I want numbers, but given how it apparently gets performance somewhere in the neighborhood of the GT650, is a promising sign.

got it. but the leaks/rumors that i've seen don't show any significant change/improvement in individual shader design. seemed like haswell will have similar igpu design as ivy bridge and haswell gt3 only getting higher number of them .... according to my rather limited knowledge on design.. :) 
in the gt3 vs 650m demo, intel kept the gt3 build inside a desktop chasis. now, if it was the same stunt amd pulled (trinity laptop hidden in a dt case running multi monitor), intel coulda just shown the innards. it seemed more like gt3 gets really hot on load and needs more aggressive cooling to perform similarly to gt650m.i noticed that no one seemed to be actively interested in what's inside the case.
still this could be very good news for intel based performance all in one pcs.
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January 14, 2013 6:39:41 PM

de5_Roy said:

in the gt3 vs 650m demo, intel kept the gt3 build inside a desktop chasis. now, if it was the same stunt amd pulled (trinity laptop hidden in a dt case running multi monitor), intel coulda just shown the innards. it seemed more like gt3 gets really hot on load and needs more aggressive cooling to perform similarly to gt650m.


Development/debug kit hardware is often much bigger than the shipping versions. I wouldn't read much into that. Laptop form factors have routinely cooled much more demanding discrete GPUs.

Also it's good to know how far they can push it with a higher end cooler if they do release a desktop version of GT3.
January 15, 2013 12:25:10 AM

^ As far as Intel is willing to divulge, they wont be shipping a desktop version of GT3.
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January 15, 2013 1:05:01 AM

Cazalan said:
Development/debug kit hardware is often much bigger than the shipping versions. I wouldn't read much into that. Laptop form factors have routinely cooled much more demanding discrete GPUs.

Also it's good to know how far they can push it with a higher end cooler if they do release a desktop version of GT3.

true, true. this is sorta what came to my mind first. i ignored it thinking it was dev kit/prototype hardware/it's just a demo, and stuff. then i tried to remember past events. back when intel showed off working laptop prototypes yet they screwed up with fake video. later they had anand play the games to verify their claims lol. that's why i thought that it's intel after all. something's gotta be amiss. :D  besides, intel should have stockpiled enough haswell silicon (rumors/engineer-on-reddit-ama suggest so). so why didn't they show off working laptop/ultrabook prototypes playing the games like they did with ivy bridge? is it because they want to launch u/y series haswell in june? it's not like amd will suddenly come out with kaveri and pwn them. <end rant :bounce:  >

i am all for gt3 on desktop :love:  . even if it drives up tdp from 84w. amd's top dt apus are 100w so that's not a factor. i was disappointed to see all dt cpus 'rumored' get puny gt2. may be intel got too lazy and decided not to include 40 shaders on the dt silicon.
shaderrage! :( 
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January 15, 2013 12:56:14 PM

this is so funny (to me)
"Was Intel purposefully decieptful at CES?"
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/01/15/was-intel-purposeful...
"...software will run badly, faster."
"US starts to feel like a 3rd world country"
"McAfee will be mandatory."
and moar.
i hope that the gt3 demo gets the same treatment. :love: 
January 15, 2013 1:15:18 PM

(any idea why the img tag is not working?)
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January 15, 2013 1:39:32 PM

dunno, i also had problems using
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January 15, 2013 3:10:41 PM

mayankleoboy1 said:
(any idea why the img tag is not working?)



needed to remove the S in httpS:
January 16, 2013 7:50:18 PM

Are the writers at 'semiaccurate' usually that seething and ridiculous? I hope that doesn't pass for journalism nowadays.
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January 16, 2013 9:20:03 PM

ph1sh55 said:
Are the writers at 'semiaccurate' usually that seething and ridiculous? I hope that doesn't pass for journalism nowadays.


He's got some harsh views on things but some of what's written is just to bait the copycat sites. Plagiarism is rampant these days. Most don't even try to hide it.
January 17, 2013 6:42:48 AM

1 month old news :

Broadwell will only have a PCIE 2.0 x4 interface (most prolly the mobile chips).
Reason : so that OEM's wont use high performance dGPU's, and will be forced to buy high priced Intel ' next gen GT3' graphics, prolly with Crystalwell.
January 17, 2013 9:49:42 AM

If this is true, it still comes down to costs and structures/HW set ups.
Good enough gfx hasnt been seen yet, as it still has the potential for much growth, for at least 2 more to three nodes yet.
Time will tell on all this
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