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June 3, 2013 2:45:51 AM
June 3, 2013 11:49:41 PM

Any news when the desktop i5 with Iris graphics is going to be released?
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June 11, 2013 6:51:51 AM

Intel reportedly may quit the brand server motherboard business
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130610PD227.html

gerre1 said:
Any news when the desktop i5 with Iris graphics is going to be released?

there are two core i5 sku with iris pro igpu - core i5 4570R and core i5 4670R. those will be available to oems.
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June 13, 2013 6:12:20 AM

Intel's Desktop Processor Roadmap for H2 2013 to H1 2014 Revealed
http://www.techpowerup.com/185590/intels-desktop-proces...

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Intel Core i7 "Ivy Bridge-E" and Core i3 "Haswell" Series Detailed
http://www.techpowerup.com/185643/intel-core-i7-ivy-bri...
Ivy Bridge-EP Based Xeon E5 Processors Specifications Leaked
http://www.techpowerup.com/185624/ivy-bridge-ep-based-x...

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[EXCLUSIVE] Intel 2014 Haswell-E to pack 8 cores, DDR4, X99 PCH and more
http://vr-zone.com/articles/intel-core-i7-ivy-bridge-e-...

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First Intel Bay Trail benchmark score appears online, squashes ARM scores like an insignificant bug
http://vr-zone.com/articles/first-intel-bay-trail-bench...
conspiracy theory: antutu is compiled on icc thus crippled arm socs and makes baytrail appear faster... :whistle: 

edit:

boardwell and airmont are on schedule:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7309/intel-14nm-progress-...
intel announces quark
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7305/intel-announces-quar...
Intel promises 10nm in 2015
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/32458-intel-promises-...
Intel shows 22nm demo phone
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/32457-intel-shows-22n...
Broadwell notebook showed at IDF
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/32455-broadwell-noteb...
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October 11, 2013 9:04:10 AM

de5_Roy said:
:lol: 
Forget about benchmarks: ARM uses real-life gaming performance to prove it beats Intel (video)
http://vr-zone.com/articles/forget-benchmarks-arm-uses-...



CloverTrail are the 2012 32nm Atoms not the new 22nm ones. CloverTrail doesn't support OoO (out of order) processing so yeah they are crippled compared to modern core designs like Bay Trail (Silvermont cores).
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November 25, 2013 8:28:19 AM

Isaiah4110 said:

WOW! Four threads per core? So hyper-hyper threading?

i don't know. i don't remember seeing extra alu in the silvermont core, though they're refering to one core having 2 "vpu" in one slide - may be 2C/4T with shared 1MB L2 cache. we'll know once more credible info come out.

edit:
wanna play with 8 core avoton atom?
http://techreport.com/news/25703/asrock-combines-avoton...
based on atom c2750.
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December 11, 2013 10:39:54 AM

Cazalan said:
The Haswell refresh looks uninspiring. Only a 100Mhz uplift.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/haswell-refresh-trickle-gra...

this part doesn't make sense
Quote:
According to a new chart obtained by VR-Zone, Intel will begin the refresh process in the second quarter with the non-K series of chips then move on to the K-series in the third quarter. The K-series will use the Haswell-E architecture and likely support DDR4.

because lga115x and lga 2011 have two different k-series cpus. that excerpt wrongly implies that lga115x will get haswell-E and ddr4 support.
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December 11, 2013 3:39:01 PM

As this point I'm just curious how many EU (graphic cores) they're putting on Broadwell.
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December 12, 2013 12:51:06 AM

Cazalan said:
As this point I'm just curious how many EU (graphic cores) they're putting on Broadwell.

the k-series broadwell, rumored to be compatible with current hsw platform, will have iris pro(class) igpu with edram. those skus look like 14nm versions of current R-series hsw cpus down to cache size. i'm guessing they will have the same 40 eus but each eu upgraded to a design. so far, intel has introduced new igpu designs with cpu shrinks (i have ivy bridge as the sole reference :p ). i think it helps them concentrate on one major sub-system at a time. with iris pro-class igpu, intel might be designating nearly half of the die to igpu. only atom was exception to this... may be that's why it took them so long to design baytrail...however, cooling these long (in area size) dies would be a pain, using current coolers... except may be the aio coolers like corsair hydro series h55.
December 12, 2013 7:49:43 AM

de5_Roy said:
however, cooling these long (in area size) dies would be a pain, using current coolers... except may be the aio coolers like corsair hydro series h55.

Maybe they end up returning to soldered on heat spreaders instead of using thermal paste to aid with the heat dissipation?
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December 12, 2013 8:16:38 AM

Isaiah4110 said:

Maybe they end up returning to soldered on heat spreaders instead of using thermal paste to aid with the heat dissipation?

it will help with dissipation, but that wasn't what i was talking about.
look at the un-lidded dies of brw cpus:
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/170291-intels-14nm...
the main die is off-center and is significantly more longer and rectangular than regular hsw dies.
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December 13, 2013 1:13:29 AM

Here’s a first look at a Haswell-E engineering sample
http://vr-zone.com/articles/heres-first-look-haswell-e-...

Cazalan said:

They're saying 40% over Haswell graphics. That's more than AMDs 30% gain. A sign they're closing the GPU performance gap.

gains are not linear like that. in terms of per-shader graphics performance, intel is quite behind amd. intel is ahead only in the bandwidth and memory subsystem, which helped them get ahead of amd 7660D igpu, which doesn't have edram and suffers from bw bottleneck. intel will have to significantly beef up broadwell's shaders to get ahead of gcn 1.0 which i highly doubt will happen. then there's software support, validation, isv adoption and so on and getting over intel's own inflated ego...

i checked intel's website, core i7 4770R (the dt sku with iris pro) is priced at nearly 400 bucks and core i5 4670R is around $320. these prices are prohibitive for users who actually need and benefit from them. intel can, in theory, use desktop silvermont and airmont cores with iris pro and really go after entry level dt markets but they won't.
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December 18, 2013 1:00:49 AM

i've wondered: why doesn't intel open up it's mainstream mobile igpus to connect to on board (soldered on mobo) gddr5 vram. they'd have to either implement a gddr5 controller in the soc or trick the igpu into thinking it's accessing the system memory. i think that the second one can be done with firmware tweak. it'll relieve the bw issues with hd4400-5000. it'd raise the system power use though, but i'd be well worth the performance improvement. imo, way better than fabbing edram and making a dual-die package.

edit:
Broadwell for desktop comes in U 28W form
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/33453-broadwell-for-d...
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December 18, 2013 10:16:07 AM

de5_Roy said:
i've wondered: why doesn't intel open up it's mainstream mobile igpus to connect to on board (soldered on mobo) gddr5 vram. they'd have to either implement a gddr5 controller in the soc or trick the igpu into thinking it's accessing the system memory. i think that the second one can be done with firmware tweak. it'll relieve the bw issues with hd4400-5000. it'd raise the system power use though, but i'd be well worth the performance improvement. imo, way better than fabbing edram and making a dual-die package.


Why make design changes (more work) to help other companies make money (GDDR5 suppliers), when Intel has extra fab capacity to make their own cache memory? They'll have even more spare 22nm capacity once the mobile parts shift to 14nm.
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December 20, 2013 9:26:50 PM

"The Broadwell GPU will be based on 8th generation graphics architecture, and will have 20% more (48 EU) execution units than Haswell counterparts [40 EU] with the same GPU type. "

"Thermal Design Power of Broadwell microprocessors will range from 4.5 Watt to 47 Watt."

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2013/2013122001_Some_deta...


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December 21, 2013 12:15:02 AM

new haswell core i3 review
Intel Core i3-4340, Core i3-4330 and Core i3-4130 Review
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i3-43...
i didn't like (apart from the price) how the core i3 4340 was so close to core i5 4430, and more than core i5 3330 in the 100% power consumption test. they should have tested without the discreet gfx card.
intel's website says core i3 4330 curiously doesn't support idle states. the hell.
http://ark.intel.com/products/77769/Intel-Core-i3-4330-...
....
Cazalan said:
"The Broadwell GPU will be based on 8th generation graphics architecture, and will have 20% more (48 EU) execution units than Haswell counterparts [40 EU] with the same GPU type. "
"Thermal Design Power of Broadwell microprocessors will range from 4.5 Watt to 47 Watt."
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2013/2013122001_Some_deta...

same gpu type? i was hoping for a uarch upgrade. i am guessing the 20% more shaders and the lower tdp ratings come from node shrink...and it's kinda amazing intel pulled off three consecutive full-node shrink amidst issues while other foundries keeps on fumbling.
the encouraging part was that brw won't entirely ditch pcie 3.0, even in mobile. charlieD was wrong!!(not really). h-skus are likely aimed at high end laptops with discreet gfx.

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December 21, 2013 11:16:10 PM

de5_Roy said:

same gpu type? i was hoping for a uarch upgrade. i am guessing the 20% more shaders and the lower tdp ratings come from node shrink...and it's kinda amazing intel pulled off three consecutive full-node shrink amidst issues while other foundries keeps on fumbling.
the encouraging part was that brw won't entirely ditch pcie 3.0, even in mobile. charlieD was wrong!!(not really). h-skus are likely aimed at high end laptops with discreet gfx.



Haswell is gen 7 so it's a new rev of the EU as well. In other statements I recall them saying 30% better performance so the EU are a minor upgrade (10%). I was expecting a higher number of EUs to be honest.
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January 4, 2014 6:42:04 AM

realworldtech on knights landing
http://www.realworldtech.com/knights-landing-details/

so this is why intel's igpu looks so half-assed
http://www.realworldtech.com/knights-landing-cpu-specul...

edit:
Intel Announces the Xeon E5-2400 v2 Series at CES
http://semiaccurate.com/2014/01/10/intel-announces-xeon...

edit2:
Intel Core "Haswell" Refresh Lineup Slated for Q2
http://www.techpowerup.com/196865/intel-core-haswell-re...

Intel shelves cutting-edge Arizona chip factory
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/14/us-intel-ariz...
January 19, 2014 12:48:53 PM

Ill there be any new haswell chips this year? Or just the release of broadwell??

Also is their any speculation on performance gain on broadwell over haswell?
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January 19, 2014 1:17:34 PM

MDXX said:
Ill there be any new haswell chips this year? Or just the release of broadwell??

Also is their any speculation on performance gain on broadwell over haswell?

according to rumors, intel will launch new haswell cpus and chipsets this year. new chipets will be h97 and z97. new cpus may be core i7 4790k and i5 4690k or something similar. links to those rumors may be in one of the above posts. broadwell will be mostly for laptops early on, but there will be desktop cpus as well. whether they'd be socketed or bga (soldered to mobo), hasn't been confirmed or leaked. the performance gains in broadwell will mostly be in integrated graphics.
January 19, 2014 1:19:11 PM

Then there really is no point of getting broadwell then for gaming huh?
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January 19, 2014 1:26:59 PM

MDXX said:
Then there really is no point of getting broadwell then for gaming huh?

there hasn't been any significant performance gap to upgrade to subsequent new uarch since....2010 or may be earlier. from now it may stretch longer to 2-3 years or more. so you should keep expectations really low.
January 20, 2014 1:00:42 PM

So far the top rankers are using Ivy Bridge E 6 core processors. Soon it will be replaced and littered with Haswell E 8 core processors x)
January 20, 2014 3:28:22 PM

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February 5, 2014 6:37:43 AM

Thanks for the info!!!!!!!!
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February 10, 2014 7:37:09 AM

^
this quote is from anand
Quote:
Intel also shared some data on how it achieved substantial power savings with Haswell, including using a new stacked power gate for the memory interface that reduced leakage by 100x over Ivy Bridge.

now in image from tech it shows 10x


if they are talking about sane thing then andy is using 10x intel fanboy multiplier :p 
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February 11, 2014 11:07:57 AM

Does this mean Cherry Trail will be 1W or some follow up part? ;) 

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February 13, 2014 6:47:47 AM

Good, I didn't want to upgrade right now. :) 

This is what happens when baby steps are taken. No point making any changes from Sandy Bridge ↑ unless of course chipset and SATA3.
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February 19, 2014 10:27:53 AM

Is the sky falling for Intel’s 14nm Broadwell?
How does reality line up with executive statement and internet stupidity?
http://semiaccurate.com/2014/02/19/sky-falling-intels-1...
Intel releases Ivy Bridge-EX now known as Xeon E7 v2
20 new SKUs in three main lines make a big line of big chips
http://semiaccurate.com/2014/02/18/intel-releases-ivy-b...
A technical look at Intel’s new Ivy Bridge-EX
The architecture and memory systems of this massive CPU
http://semiaccurate.com/2014/02/18/technical-look-intel...
Intel’s Xeon E7 v2 ups the RAS game to new levels
Ivy Bridge-EX is far more than an bigger Ivy Bridge-EP
http://semiaccurate.com/2014/02/19/intels-xeon-e7-v2-up...
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February 19, 2014 12:13:56 PM

With PCs stagnating they're better off ramping Cherry Trail first.
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