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June 3, 2014 3:59:57 AM

intel at computex, roundup:
Intel intros 'Devil's Canyon,' Pentium Anniversary overclockable CPUs
http://techreport.com/news/26544/intel-intros-devil-can...
intel's rcp seems closer to the rumored prices. but we still don't get fluxless solder because of "aggressive launch" in june instead of september.

Intel continues its ‘journey’ into mobile at Computex 2014
http://vr-zone.com/articles/intel-continues-journey-mob...
"core m" looks like y series broadwell for fanless operation. brw and skylake might finally bring "big cores" to the fanless devices.

ADATA DDR4 OC Module Spotted on a Working Haswell-E HEDT System
http://www.techpowerup.com/201568/adata-ddr4-oc-module-...
that looks like a haswell-e cpu cooled by a stock intel cooler.

EVGA Prototype X99 Motherboard On Display at Computex
http://www.techpowerup.com/201562/evga-prototype-x99-mo...

MSI Shows off its X99 Motherboard
http://www.techpowerup.com/201558/msi-shows-off-its-x99...

MSI Goes Black and Green with its ECO Line of Motherboards
http://www.techpowerup.com/201560/msi-goes-black-and-gr...
posted for the color scheme. :D 

Sapphire Also Shows off Atomic Z97 Motherboard
http://www.techpowerup.com/201577/sapphire-also-shows-o...


Crucial ships DDR4 for servers, desktop modules coming in August
http://techreport.com/news/26546/crucial-ships-ddr4-for...
Panram Unveils Ninja-V DDR4 Memory Modules
http://www.techpowerup.com/201539/panram-unveils-ninja-...
HyperX Sets Overclocking World Record Mark at 4500 MHz, Partners with HWBOT
http://www.techpowerup.com/201554/hyperx-sets-overclock...


ASUS Brings Two USB 3.1-Enabled Motherboards to Computex 2014
http://www.techpowerup.com/201569/asus-brings-two-usb-3...
MSI Also Shows off First Motherboard with 10 Gbps USB 3.1 Ports
http://www.techpowerup.com/201559/msi-also-shows-off-fi...


GeIL DDR4 Memory Smiles for the Camera
http://www.techpowerup.com/201567/geil-ddr4-memory-smil...

edit:
17 ivy bridge cpus get teh aex
http://www.techpowerup.com/201586/intel-plans-the-retir...
Core i5-3330, i5-3330S, i5-3340, i5-3340S, i5-3470, i5-3475S, i5-3470S, i5-3470T, i5-3550, i5-3570, i5-3570S, i5-3570T, i5-3570K, i7-3770, i7-3770K, i7-3770S and i7-3770T.
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June 3, 2014 10:13:37 AM

Let the OCs begin ;) 
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June 6, 2014 12:14:04 AM

Cazalan said:
Bye bye FIVR (Fully Integrated Voltage Regulator)

http://wccftech.com/intel-abandon-internal-voltage-regu...

That could cut down on the CPU temps.

nice find. before going into why fivr got ditched, a few minor details stick out:
skylake platform will be called "sky bay".
p.c.h. code name - sunrise point.
diagram indicates ddr4 imc. so what happened to the earlier rumor of having hybrid ddr3/4 imc...

as for the fivr, it wasn't fully "i". the inductors were integrated while the capacitors were on-package, iirc. it was a first attempt and it was for reducing power consumption accross the lineup. IVR was one of the techniques to cope with power supply voltage fluctuations. rwt has a better explanation:
http://www.realworldtech.com/steamroller-clocking/
i suspect intel might be ... ahem.. inspired by beema and kaveri's new power saving features. i expect fivr to make a comback in the future.
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June 6, 2014 9:36:09 AM

The IVR may have been overestimated in it's improvements. Motherboard vendors seemed to be switching to better regulators around the same time. They're really paying attention to both the regulators and the cooling now.

I'd expect it to be hybrid DDR3/DDR4 just due to the ramping of DDR4. The dual launch of desktop parts still seems oddly timed but Intel loves throwing out hundreds of SKUs.
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June 9, 2014 10:42:17 AM

intel has a list of devil's canyon compatible motherboards:
http://www.techpowerup.com/201826/intel-core-devils-can...
some motherboard manufacturers are adding d.c. support to 8-series motherboards as well. seems like intel didn't strictly enforce any restriction about compatibility. imo, a lot of users will benefit from using a properly supported b85 chipset with d.c. cpus for a (relatively) budget pc.
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June 9, 2014 5:03:31 PM

Tom's is acting weird. :pfff: 
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June 10, 2014 12:07:56 PM

de5_Roy said:

Some features of Skylake graphics architecture
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014060901_Some_feat...
kaveri has some laptop parts that can game way better than hd4600. intel better step it up fast.



I wonder where they got that 72 number from. GT1 (10) -> GT2 (20) -> GT3 (40). The prior ones all doubled and Broadwell even added 8 more for its GT3 version (48). I was expecting 80 or even 96 for GT4.

"We presume that the GT4 has the maximum number of execution units (72). "

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June 10, 2014 8:25:51 PM

Latest Desktop Roadmap leaked

2015 is looking like quite a jumble of Haswell/Broadwell/Skylake jigsawed together.

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June 11, 2014 2:24:04 AM

that's a bit of a pile up in 2015. at least bdw-e is confirmed for hedt.
in this tpu article, in the hsw-e slide, at the bottom, there's a mention of a hsw-e cpus with 8 cores and 3.4ghz clockrate
http://www.techpowerup.com/201936/intel-desktop-cpu-roa...
it's compared against a quad core hsw-k cpu at 3.5ghz clockrate. i wonder if the quad is a lower binned hsw-e or core i7 4770k. clockrate matched 4770k. in degarmo's posted link, the 5960x e.s.'s cpu-z screenshot shows approx. 3.3 ghz, but the vcore reads .978v. seems awfully low vcore for 3.3 ghz across 8c/16t.

wccdefghtech says skylake's successor will be 10nm cannonlake with union point 200-series chipset.
http://wccftech.com/intel-desktop-cpu-roadmap-confirms-...
and there might not be a skylake dt with gt3/e igpu, only gt4e for the top 95w sku. the rest of them will have gt2. and (tpu says) intel will hold off k-series skylake until 2016. i guess the pesudo-cadence-stability from sandy bridge to haswell is over. now we'll be getting mixed up launches and mixed up options from mixed gens. so glad i bought ivb. amd users should be happy they bought a thuban or fx83xx cpu.
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June 11, 2014 1:29:13 PM

Haswell c?? oh its LGA 2011. Nice to see that they are bringing that socket up to date from ivy bridge.
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June 12, 2014 6:47:58 AM

Review: Intel Pentium Anniversary Edition G3258
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/70977-intel-pentium-a...
Quote:

We've run the engineering-sample processor, provided by Intel, at the default 3.2GHz. Obtaining these numbers provides a frame for reference once we overclock it. Using the stock heatsink and dialling voltage up to 1.20V (from 1.10V) we managed to increase the base multiplier to 44x, or a final, stable speed of 4,400MHz.4.5GHz was semi-stable, falling over very occasionally, and it would likely be stable with a beefier cooler on top. We also increased the graphics frequency from 1.1GHz to 1.4GHz, thus making the most of the unlocked nature of the chip. The ensuing benchmarks have both Pentium Anniversary Edition configurations - stock and overclocked - in the graphs.

stock cooler. 4.4 ghz. hmm...

moar Intel Core i7-4790K Devil’s Canyon Processor Reviews
http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-core-i7-4790k-devils-...
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_4790k_proc...
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=inte...
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June 13, 2014 7:03:17 AM

just like that time...

Leaked BIOS Enables Pentium Anniversary Edition OC on Some MSI H97 Boards
http://www.techpowerup.com/202040/leaked-bios-enables-p...

edit:

Some details of Intel Broadwell-DE processors
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014061301_Some_deta...
halfway between an atom based soc and low power xeon "big core". 8 cores, HT, 12MB llc with ddr3/4 support. the confusing part is that it supports 2 DIMM per channel. it'll be bga-packaged.
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June 16, 2014 6:21:30 PM

Guess I overlooked that before. Silvermont is already getting pushed aside for a trimmed down and I'm guessing lower clocked Broadwell.

So much for their small cores.
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June 16, 2014 11:32:38 PM

Cazalan said:
Guess I overlooked that before. Silvermont is already getting pushed aside for a trimmed down and I'm guessing lower clocked Broadwell.

So much for their small cores.

i recently discovered arm has imposed limitations in their current sbsa spec so that core count won't go higher than 8 per die (or similar).

i think intel has similar limitations in space for their cpus. atom core socs might be limited to protect "bigger" xeons. atoms might not get robust server oriented features like big core xeons. imo, those limitations will be arm's advantage in terms of features and performance. bdw-de has same core count as 8 core atom but has much better features. according to that roadmap, intel still has 14nm atom core in development (prolly show up in next xeon phi, too) but they brought bdw down just the right amount to put more pressure on a57 socs.
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June 17, 2014 1:06:01 PM

de5_Roy said:
Cazalan said:
Guess I overlooked that before. Silvermont is already getting pushed aside for a trimmed down and I'm guessing lower clocked Broadwell.

So much for their small cores.

i recently discovered arm has imposed limitations in their current sbsa spec so that core count won't go higher than 8 per die (or similar).

i think intel has similar limitations in space for their cpus. atom core socs might be limited to protect "bigger" xeons. atoms might not get robust server oriented features like big core xeons. imo, those limitations will be arm's advantage in terms of features and performance. bdw-de has same core count as 8 core atom but has much better features. according to that roadmap, intel still has 14nm atom core in development (prolly show up in next xeon phi, too) but they brought bdw down just the right amount to put more pressure on a57 socs.


I read that wrong. Was thinking Broadwell-DE meant DEnverton. ;) 

Haven't heard of this 8 core ARM limit. LSI already has a 16 core ARM part and Cavium just announced a 48 core ARM part. ARM offers different grades of cache-coherent interconnects so maybe that's what you saw.
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June 17, 2014 1:29:33 PM

Cazalan said:

I read that wrong. Was thinking Broadwell-DE meant DEnverton. ;) 

Haven't heard of this 8 core ARM limit. LSI already has a 16 core ARM part and Cavium just announced a 48 core ARM part. ARM offers different grades of cache-coherent interconnects so maybe that's what you saw.

according to the s/a article i read, arm has limited core count on sbsa level 1 and 0 because of the interrupt controller supporting up to 8 cores/soc. on level 2.0 it supports gic v 3.0 which massively increases core support. cavium built a custom sbsa lvl 2 compliant (gic v 3.0 based) interconnect in the c.p.i. that connects the 48 cores. i looked into gic and sbsa from older articles and s/a's analysis lines up.
http://semiaccurate.com/2014/06/03/cavium-thunder-x-ups...
linux already has gic v 3.0 support.
June 20, 2014 12:54:06 AM

broadwell chips coming at year's end
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June 22, 2014 9:48:45 PM

Intel Core i7 4790K Devil’s Canyon Review (inc. Overclocking)
http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/intel-c...
also contemplates accelerated chip degradation after applying high vcore.
intel seems to have only tweaked the t.i.m. and the packaging. didn't re-spin or bin.

New Haswell CPUs to launch in July, Haswell-E to launch in September
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014062201_New_Haswe...
Several Xeon E5 v3 model numbers surfaced
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014061901_Several_X...
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June 23, 2014 8:05:57 AM

$400 for a 5820k is still not bad at all for a 6-core.
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June 23, 2014 10:21:57 AM

Experimental MIT chip brings cache coherency to many cores
http://techreport.com/news/26681/experimental-mit-chip-...

speaking of maNy cores...
Intel Details Its Next-Gen Xeon Phi Processor
http://www.techpowerup.com/202371/intel-details-its-nex...

QNAP TS-x51 NAS Series: Intel Quick Sync Gets its Killer App
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8192/qnap-tsx51-nas-serie...

edit:
All about DDR4, the next-gen memory coming soon for PCs and mobile devices
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2365823/next-gen-memory-...

Intel wastes time and oxygen talking about Knights Landing
http://semiaccurate.com/2014/06/24/intel-wastes-time-ox...

the on-package memory is mcdram from micron
http://techreport.com/news/26687/hpc-switch-fabric-shar...
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June 24, 2014 4:24:11 PM

Yep the "Skylake Host Fabric Interface" got a name, Omni Scale Fabric.
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June 26, 2014 7:32:57 PM

vmN said:
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/automotive/ford-...

Will Mobii become a standard among cars?


Scary if it does. The idea of government agencies and hackers spying at any moment isn't an ideal feeling. Great technology that will, unequivocally, be exploited.

Privacy is a good thing.

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June 26, 2014 8:54:30 PM

RussK1 said:
vmN said:
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/automotive/ford-...

Will Mobii become a standard among cars?


Scary if it does. The idea of government agencies and hackers spying at any moment isn't an ideal feeling. Great technology that will, unequivocally, be exploited.

Privacy is a good thing.



Exactly. What if someone or a group of people manage to hack into the code. They could have the car open at will, and they could control it.
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June 27, 2014 6:16:04 AM

XxD34THxX said:
RussK1 said:
vmN said:
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/automotive/ford-...

Will Mobii become a standard among cars?


Scary if it does. The idea of government agencies and hackers spying at any moment isn't an ideal feeling. Great technology that will, unequivocally, be exploited.

Privacy is a good thing.



Exactly. What if someone or a group of people manage to hack into the code. They could have the car open at will, and they could control it.

Well that goes into any kind of technology.

EDIT; finally the Intel thread got moved into the CPU forum. I have always been wondering why it was in the systems forum.
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June 29, 2014 8:55:47 AM

BDW and skylake-s roadmap from vr-zone chinese:
http://chinese.vr-zone.com/119624/intel-will-update-to-...
wccefghijklmnopqripofftethnews.com's eng translation
http://wccftech.com/broadwell-launching-k-series-unlock...

edit:
why intel may benefit from mantle, pcper's uh... perspective..
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Editorial/Intel-Shows-Inte...

tweaktown and eteknix's devil's canyon i7 7490k overclocking
http://www.eteknix.com/intel-core-i7-4790k-devils-canyo...
http://www.tweaktown.com/guides/6486/intel-4790k-devil-...

edit2:

broadwell laptop, ulv and desktop cpus timeline? i don't know what qs and pv means
http://chinese.vr-zone.com/120198/intel-14nm-broadwell-...
from the chart, looks like bdw dt will come out in q2-q3 2015. i suspect bdw dt chips aren't hitting high enough clocks and/or meeting tdp goals.
good news(!) is that we'll get LGA quadcore with edram. bad news is, there are no quadcore with gt3 sans edram, means +80 bucks. :(  better news is, there'll finally be bga dual core cpus with gt3e igpu - i expect those to gain good market penetration. lga 2c+gt3e woulda been even better.

edit3:
bjorn3d's devil's canyon i7 overclocking
http://www.bjorn3d.com/2014/07/intel-core-i7-4790k-hasw...
wide variability in o.c. speed.

edit4:
techreport's pentium g3258 review
http://techreport.com/review/26735/overclocking-intel-p...
pclab.pl pentium g3258 review
http://pclab.pl/art57691.html

iirc it was gamerk who said that a core i3 would lose to an 8 core fx in terms of smoothness. since core i3's lack overclockability, this would be true. but an unlocked dual core like pentium might just be able to keep up or beat the higher core cpus with overclocking.

edit5:
intel is prepping for full chipset replacement with skylake
http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-s-platform-specificat...
copied from vr-zone chinese site.
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July 21, 2014 1:24:29 PM

Cazalan said:
Intel bumps Haswell and Baytrail parts slightly.

Core i3-4370 2 / 4 3.8 GHz

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014072001_Intel_rel...


Pentium N3540 4 / 4 2.16 / 2.66 GHz

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014072101_Intel_ref...


damn. 3.8GHz for a dual core is excessive, lol. this is prolly as close as an unlocked core i3 we'll get... except may be... 4.0-4.1 Ghz BDW core i3. it's possible! starting with skylake's new uarch, intel might attempt to start from a new clockrate base.
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July 21, 2014 2:57:42 PM

They could enable turbo on i3 if they wanted to boost performance more.
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July 21, 2014 3:32:42 PM

Cazalan said:
They could enable turbo on i3 if they wanted to boost performance more.

they have an i5 part like that - dual core, ht with turbo. i only remember the sandy bridge one - core i5 2390T. here's the haswell version:
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i5/Intel-Core%20i5-4...
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July 21, 2014 4:18:59 PM

de5_Roy said:
Cazalan said:
They could enable turbo on i3 if they wanted to boost performance more.

they have an i5 part like that - dual core, ht with turbo. i only remember the sandy bridge one - core i5 2390T. here's the haswell version:
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i5/Intel-Core%20i5-4...


I see. I thought they only made those for mobile. Anyway at that price I'd just get a slower quad core.
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July 23, 2014 2:33:50 AM

Intel Admits to Broadwell Delays in its Q2 Call
http://semiaccurate.com/2014/07/18/intel-admits-broadwe...
apparently 10nm is "on track" and won't be affected by 14nm delay. seems like the delay will affect the whole range incl. the atoms.

Oracle compels Intel to build a special chip
http://www.datacenterdynamics.com/focus/archive/2014/07...
+sarcasm
http://semiaccurate.com/2014/07/18/intel-dynamically-sc...

Cazalan said:

I see. I thought they only made those for mobile. Anyway at that price I'd just get a slower quad core.

i agree. although, the intel quads at that price point are quite faster than T and S series cpus due to higher base clockrate (over 3.0 GHz in cheaper cpus).
i think these are mobile chips in desktop packaging and tdp. msrp is high most likely because of the perf/watt binning.
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July 23, 2014 11:42:46 AM

They also said Broadwell was shipping now, but unknown when it will land in retail channels.
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July 28, 2014 12:26:24 PM

haswell-e i7 5960x delidded?
http://wccftech.com/intels-flagship-haswelle-core-i7-59...
that die is so big and square, unlike the mainstream cpus'.

asrock's x99 motherboards
http://wccftech.com/asrocks-highperformance-x99-extreme...

edit1:
microsoft tries to ruin raspberry pi and arduino with sharks cove pc but ultimately fails by overpricing it :D 
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2459200/meet-microsofts-...

new intel igpu model numbers (no specs. such a sugrically precise leak!)
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/35367-broadwell-14nm-...
from hd6200 at the top.

Meet Intel's SoFIA, the super-cheap smartphone chip created in Singapore
http://www.cnet.com/news/meet-intels-sofia-the-new-low-...
SoFIA -- short for "Smart or Feature phone with Intel Architecture".
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July 30, 2014 4:20:44 AM

I'm anticipating some decent profit sharing bonuses from my job the next several months. I'm thinking about a possible CPU / motherboard upgrade in the short-term future. I eventually want an audio card for distributing surround sound through an external sound system for games, but all of my current PCI-E space on my current motherboard is being used up. With a single video card (I will upgrade to an Nvidia 800 series GPU), TV tuner, and audio card, will I need an X99 motherboard and at least an i7-5820k CPU since it supports at least 28 PCI-E lanes (40 for the 5930k)? Or can I keep what I have, but upgrade the GPU and get a USB audio card? My motherboard does not support overclocking and I'm running a stock CPU cooler. I'll try to keep my existing PSU, though the TDP for Haswell-E is high.
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July 31, 2014 1:16:10 AM

Intel reportedly struggling to hit tablet SoC target
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20140730PD220.html

edit:
Broadwell Y processor line has three SKUs
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/35390-broadwell-y-pro...
Intel turns Vietnam into Haswell central
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/35387-intel-turns-vie...
Desktop Broadwell LGA is Socket 1150
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/35391-desktop-broadwe...
after all the foreshadowing of ditching pcie lanes, bga packaging, shutting out dgfx and killing desktops in the name of power efficiency and moniez, desktop bdw is not only lga, it's compatible with lga1150 socket(prolly after a bios update), lol. i am not expecting a lot of cpu performance improvement.
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August 1, 2014 5:29:22 PM

The 4+4e Broadwell seems to have disappeared.
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August 11, 2014 11:48:41 AM

broadwell preview roundup:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-14nm-broadwel...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8355/intel-broadwell-arch...
http://techreport.com/review/26896/intel-broadwell-proc...
http://semiaccurate.com/2014/08/11/intel-talks-14nm-pro...
Quote:
In short a shrink from A -> B no longer means the minimum drawn feature size conforms to (A^2) = 2(B^2) but a cell size of X on process A will be X/2 on process B. That is the key, the area used by a cell halves but the how changes and does not necessarily track to a specific factor like minimum drawn feature size. This is why SemiAccurate and others are annoyed by Samsung, Global Foundries, and TSMC calling their ‘shrink’ from 20nm ’16nm’. What they are delivering is a 20nm process with planar transistors replaced by FinFETs but the Back End of Line (BEoL) or metal layers barely changes. That means almost no effective shrink, Samsung is claiming between a 7% and 15% for their 20nm to their 14nm nodes.

Such shrinks are more in line with a normal mid-life process optimization than a real shrink from 20nm to 16nm. This is the long way of saying other than Intel’s, no 14/16nm process is an actual shrink from 20nm planar, cell size does not come close to the theoretical (20^2)/(16^2) shrink factor, it is almost non-existent. If Intel does deliver what they claim, we buy the naming of their “14nm” process, the rest are effectively slinging a load of BS to the non-technical masses this generation.

let's see what sam/glofo/tsmc say about their own processes. :whistle: 

broadwell Y series
http://semiaccurate.com/2014/08/11/intel-talks-bit-broa...
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