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March 17, 2013 12:01:56 AM

So i Want to Build i gaming pc
and i found a workstation on sell and i think it's has a good value 830$ (my budget is around 1500$)
so here's the specs

Hp xw8600
Cpu: 2 Xeons X5460 / 3.16 12Mb cache
Ram : 8Gb DDr2 ECC (up to 128 Gb)
Vga :Quadro FX 5600
Psu : 800W 80+
Storage : 2 Sas 300Gb 15K
optical drive : hp Dvd rw 16x

i'm planing on selling the quadro since my only use is Gaming and i'll get a vga like GTX 680 or 7970 Ghz
and will be cheaper than a regular i5 or i7 build
what do you think ?

here's a link for more info: http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12849_na/...

More about : workstation gaming

March 17, 2013 12:33:28 AM

Outlander_04 said:
Those Xeons are so old even a single Ivy bridge processor will nuke them both

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+X546...

Dont waste money on this thing


even Considering its 2 cpus ?
and isn't it better this cpu and highend Gpu than low Gpu and high cpu ?
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a c 280 4 Gaming
March 17, 2013 12:35:34 AM

You're better off building one. That has a server cpu, so you'll have to sell both the cpu and gpu, which won't be easy.
Not sure if you needed a monitor, os or wanted to overclock so I included everything in.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($80.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($60.81 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($445.91 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Tempest 410 ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VH238H 23.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1473.59
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-17 03:34 EDT-0400)
If you're not overclocking then you could drop the cpu to a i5-3470/3570 (which ever is cheaper) and get the ASRock H77 micro-atx mobo.
a c 343 4 Gaming
March 17, 2013 12:35:55 AM

^ +1

for that amount of money, you can build your own a monstrous PC
March 17, 2013 12:41:36 AM

realchaos said:
You're better off building one. That has a server cpu, so you'll have to sell both the cpu and gpu, which won't be easy.
Not sure if you needed a monitor, os or wanted to overclock so I included everything in.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($80.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($60.81 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($445.91 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Tempest 410 ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VH238H 23.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1473.59
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-17 03:34 EDT-0400)
If you're not overclocking then you could drop the cpu to a i5-3470/3570 (which ever is cheaper) and get the ASRock H77 micro-atx mobo.

That's my exact same build i was planing to take before seing that offer !!
but is that build really that bad ?
i mean i will still have some money to upgrade it

a c 280 4 Gaming
March 17, 2013 12:47:12 AM

First off, getting rid of the server cpu and workstation gpu is going to be a pain. We don't even know the model of the psu, unless it states in the quick specs thing that I didn't even bother to read. I can only assume it's a generic one, which is bad. DDR2 RAM...really? Building your own is much more better, and you get everything you want. None of that extra junk.
a b 4 Gaming
March 17, 2013 12:47:12 AM

No, this rig is just too old. It may have been decent workhorse at the time, but compared to modern chips its too weak.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/48?vs=701
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/48?vs=677
The Core 2 Extreme QX9770, $1000+ back in 2008 being smashed by a $200 3570k and just edging out a $100 i3-3220. I imagine with Haswell, an i3 would trump the Core 2 Extreme.
Those Xeons were released roughly the same time, and they weren't exactly top of the line.

Build yourself a modern rig, you have the budget for it and it will be far more upgradable. For instance, DDR3 vs DDR2 RAM, SATAIII versus whats likely SATAI and IDE.
March 17, 2013 12:55:05 AM

Thanks guys for your replies,
just wondering is this build can run a high end gpu like a 680 GTx or 7970 Ghz ?
is games gonna make use of that cpu cores ?
a b 4 Gaming
March 17, 2013 1:02:00 AM

Nope, in general games dont benefit much from greater multi-threaded (More cores = More threads) performance. That's why there's little difference in gaming performance between a quad core i5 and a hex-core (with Hyper-threading, so 12 threads) 3930k.
Single threaded performance is what drives games nowadays, and even then only to a point as the GPU will always be the bottleneck to gaming performance.
a c 280 4 Gaming
March 17, 2013 1:06:55 AM

manofchalk said:
Nope, in general games dont benefit much from greater multi-threaded (More cores = More threads) performance. That's why there's little difference in gaming performance between a quad core i5 and a hex-core (with Hyper-threading, so 12 threads) 3930k.
Single threaded performance is what drives games nowadays, and even then only to a point as the GPU will always be the bottleneck to gaming performance.


Games are starting to use more cores. Crysis 3 and I think Farcry 3 are taking advantage of multiple cores. And with ps4 using 8cores, you could except games running smoother on a 8core cpu rather than a 4core cpu.
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a b 4 Gaming
March 17, 2013 1:20:18 AM

I know there are some exceptions like BF3 that can utilize additional threads well, but performance is still largely driven by single threaded performance.
Also that argument was made back when the Xbox 360 and PS3 were released 6 years ago, the 360 uses a Tri-Core and the PS3 had something like 5 or 6 (not sure on this). Only starting to happen now.
March 17, 2013 2:33:20 AM

So the i5 3570k is way better than two xeon x5460 .
but is this build can run a high end gpu like a 680 GTx or 7970 Ghz ?
a b 4 Gaming
March 17, 2013 2:54:16 AM

If you want a high performance gaming computer with an intel processor , that is ideal for a high spec graphics card like the gtx 670 ,

you use a 3570K processor and a motherboard with a Z77 chipset
a b 4 Gaming
March 17, 2013 2:58:01 AM

The old build, based purely on CPU performance it probably could, but not for much longer and it might already be held back by factors like the DDR2 RAM and storage solution.

The build that RealChaos made (and anything roughly similar) will do it without doubt and is good for maybe 1.5-2yrs of maxing games at 1080p (barring any rapid advances in graphics following the new console gen). As well as being easily upgradable in the future, which is a definite issue with the older rig.
March 17, 2013 3:04:48 AM

so to get things clear this build is really exceeded and not worth it even for this price ?
a b 4 Gaming
March 17, 2013 3:15:56 AM

way not worth it
March 17, 2013 3:21:51 AM

one last thing guys ,
what Gpu is better and has a good value 7970, 670 or 680 ?
and what psu should comfortably handle 7970 crossfire /680 SLI ?
a b 4 Gaming
March 17, 2013 3:53:24 AM

Of the three, would go for the 7970.

A quality 750W PSU should be good for dual Crossfire/SLI.
March 17, 2013 4:20:15 AM

thanks Guys i think i'm gonna take this :

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($80.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($445.91 @ Newegg)
Case: ZALMAN Z11 ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply:CORSAIR HX1050 ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VH238H 23.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1537.59
a b 4 Gaming
March 17, 2013 4:28:01 AM

Get 2x4GB, or up the RAM amount to 2x8GB. On dual channel boards (ie, every mainstream mobo) having multiples of two of RAM sticks leads to the best performance.

Do you plan on Crossfiring three of those cards with that PSU, inside that mid-tower case on an ATX size board that cant properly support Tri-SLI/Crossfire, to power a single 1080p monitor?
Also the Vapor-X isn't the best card for multi-GPU configs, the cooler is large enough that it impedes on a 3rd slot, which has caused issues on much larger boards.
March 17, 2013 4:28:01 AM

very very old cpus dude!also ddr2?is that how ram are in workstations?
March 17, 2013 4:28:33 AM

thats why its cheap i think!
a b 4 Gaming
March 17, 2013 4:41:30 AM

The RAM's DDR2 because the systems old, though the fact they are ECC very much aligns with the intent of a workstation.
March 17, 2013 4:41:56 AM

manofchalk said:
Get 2x4GB, or up the RAM amount to 2x8GB. On dual channel boards (ie, every mainstream mobo) having multiples of two of RAM sticks leads to the best performance.

Do you plan on Crossfiring three of those cards with that PSU, inside that mid-tower case on an ATX size board that cant properly support Tri-SLI/Crossfire, to power a single 1080p monitor?
Also the Vapor-X isn't the best card for multi-GPU configs, the cooler is large enough that it impedes on a 3rd slot, which has caused issues on much larger boards.


For the ram i'm taking the 1 x 8Gb because i'm planing to add another later because if i take 2 x 4 Gb i will have to change them when i will need more than 24 Gb (i know that's a lot of ram but who knows )
and for the PSU yes i'm willing to crossfire later and maybe even overclock both when needed also i know a friend who have 1000W Psu for 6 years and he upgrades a lot without changing it and it's the only thing that isn't
changing a lot and i can even tri Sli/cf but not with that board.

a b 4 Gaming
March 17, 2013 4:52:11 AM

The amount of RAM expected on the average PC is 4GB, with most enthusiasts running 8GB. 16GB is far more than you need unless your running a professional application. I think by the time 16GB is the expected norm for computers, we will be in the tail end of DDR4's life.

I would change the PSU after 6 years outright, if only because of new technology and the fact that the capacitors in PSU's degrade through usage.
And you may have picked up from my post that ensuring future upgradability is more than just the PSU.
My advice, spend big on the case. Because you have no idea how you will want to fill it in the future (hint, custom water-cooling. You may not want something that "extreme" now, but that's what I thought when I built my rig).
March 17, 2013 5:05:43 AM

So can you suggest a good XL-ATX \E-ATX Case ? i know CM HAF-X is one the best but isn't something a little bit cheaper ?
March 17, 2013 8:42:26 AM

Gtkill,

I use a Dell Precision T5400 with 2X the Xeon X5460 CPU's and I would counter criticism that these CPU's are not good performers- for their intended use. In the Passmark test, this T5400 scored 8396 on the CPU test, not far away overall from a typical i7-3770K system and some portions of the calculation test speeds were higher than the 3770K. As rendering is CPU-based and a case of being able to use all the cores, a dual CPU is excellent for rendering. With gaming computers, CPU clock speed is important and 3.16GHz is not slow, especially with the Xeon's focus on computational power. As you mentioned in one of your replies, the graphics card speed may also improve the scores of the old bangers significantly- you're looking for high 3D performance.

However, with the 1333 FSB Xeon, the HP is using DDR2-667 RAM which is quite slow by modern standards and also about double the cost to buy now than much faster DDR3 1600. As well, the disk system is not a screamer, but that can be cured with an SSD. The 3rd fastest computer on the Passmark Performance test using the X5460 is an HP xw8600 with 2- CPUS, 16GB RAM, GTX 650, and an Intel 330 SSD achieves a score of 2430. The highest scoring X5460 PC on Passmark at 2546 again uses 2-processors, 12GB RAM, an OCZ Vertex SSD, and a GTX 460. The highest 3D mark for an X5460 uses a GTX 560 for a 3D score of 3560. For reference, the fastest PC's in this test score in the upper 7000's and low 8,000's and I would guess those computers cost about $.75 -$1 per point,.. Their 3D scores are in the 9000-11000 range, with the GTX Titan one of the new kings- "titans" of 3D benchmarks.

Sorry for all that, but it's worth considering for comparison to your proposed configuration :

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($80.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($445.91 @ Newegg)
Case: ZALMAN Z11 ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply:CORSAIR HX1050 ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VH238H 23.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1537.59

> is potentially very good. In a quick look at Passmark baselines, a very similar configuration- [same CPU, MB, amount of RAM, Video Card, Samsung SSD] produces a score of 4964 with a 3D rating of 6629, so that's a much better long-term solution than the HP. Plus you could consider a mild overclocking (Xeons can't be) to about 4GHz- keep on eye on the cooling solution. I'm not sure you need a 1000W PS- with an 850W you could still probably run 3 graphics cards. also, check the memory configuration of the motherboard- you may need to use 2X 4GB rather than 1 X 8GB. On that subject, if it's possible, check with ASRock for known compatible brands/models of RAM with the Z77 motherboard. One suggestion- if it doesn't break the budget too much, consider a good 27" monitor. I use an HP 2711x (1920 X 1080) and, while I don't use games, it's another world from my previous 22"- the best computer upgrade I've ever made. Already spoiled, my next monitor will be a 27" @ 2560 X 1440,...

Let us know how it works!

Cheers,

BambiBoom

[Dell Precision T5400, 2X Xeon x5460 @3.16GHz, 16GB DR2-667 ECC RAM, GTX 285 or Quadro FX 4800, WD RE4 500GB /Seagate 500GB, 875W PS, Win 7 Ult 64]
March 18, 2013 6:42:57 AM

Thanks Guys for your help I really appreaciate it !! :D 
I think i'm gonna stick with I5 based build !
And i think i'm gonna wait until Haswell release for prices drop.
a c 280 4 Gaming
March 18, 2013 7:43:55 AM

Intel doesn't really drop the prices. I heard that the prices will only drop like $10-20 max.
March 18, 2013 11:17:58 AM

And do you think that the haswell will have a good performance/price when released ?
a b 4 Gaming
March 18, 2013 11:24:36 AM

Gtkill said:
And do you think that the haswell will have a good performance/price when released ?


has well has a very minimal performance increase over current intel processors


there's a preview of the 4770 on the toms home page
March 18, 2013 11:53:23 AM

So 13% percent performance at a 5-10% higher price is better i think ?

EDIT:that mostly not worth it since 1150 gonna more expensive than 1155 (more sata 6G/s and more usb 3.0)
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