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March 19, 2013 4:02:22 PM

Hello, i have been a passionate gamer all my life and finally am going to take the plunge into the world of attempting to build a Gamer's Machine which would last me a few years to come.

i have a budget of about $1200, (but is flexible if it means $100 would make a huge difference... or even $200) and would like some advice on what to add or take away to make this current list more affordable and compatible.

Been doing some research and came up with these "must haves" according to longevity and duration of the system... (but am not sure if the i7 is worth the extra money over the i5, also some graphic card help would be great.)

BUT I AM I NOOB! so its probably all crap! just need some help before i buy something i regret.

PS: I do notice i am missing some components in this build and would like to leave the door open for suggestions from the experts!

Thanks anything would help.

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W
CPU Cooler: ?
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Memory:Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory (CML8GX3M2A1600C9)
Storage: ?
Video Card:EVGA 02G-P4-2680-KR GeForce GTX 680 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Case:AZZA Solano 1000 Black/Black Japanese SECC Steel/Metal mesh in front ATX Full Tower Computer Case
Power Supply: ?
Optical Drive: ?

All in all i'm pretty confused about the whole thing, especially compatibility issues, and would love some feed back!
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March 19, 2013 4:18:46 PM

Overclocking? Plans to Crossfire/SLI? Need a monitor/os? Monitor resolution? Country?
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March 19, 2013 4:21:48 PM

answer question that realchaos posted and ill post a better and more cost effective build
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March 19, 2013 4:22:24 PM

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($56.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($129.64 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($418.13 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($57.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider Essential 600W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($66.30 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1169.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

Sorry for the i5 being from microcenter this build is really 1200 total.

I will explain every choice stating from the top:

The i7 is completely unnecessary the best CPU right now for gaming is going to the the i5

The CM Hyper 212 EVO is a great cooler for the money it's an easy 4-4.2GHz

The extreme6 really is not all that necessary the added features probably will not be used, the extreme4 is perfect for this budget, it has the same performance as well.

Same ram, cannot go wrong with that.

1TB HDD + 128GB ssd, you really cannot beat that you're going to have a fantastic performance.

The 680 is simply not worth it, it being 100$ more for a 5% performance increase is just not worth the investment. With the 7970Ghz ed performing 10% or so better than the 680 at a cheaper price, you really have to go with AMD on this one.

The 912 is an amazing case with plenty of room and it looks fantastic. Cases are more personal than anything though.

Any 600w PSU from XFX Corsair Seasonic or Silverstone will do fine here, I picked a nice PSU for the money.

And finally the Optical Drive, it's cheap highly rated and works great.

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March 19, 2013 4:24:23 PM

realchaos said:
Overclocking? Plans to Crossfire/SLI? Need a monitor/os? Monitor resolution? Country?


You can simply look at the post and answer those questions yourself:
if the OP is looking for an aftermarket cooler yes he is going to OC
most people do not CFx or SLI
Most people have a monitor of some sort he does have a gaming machine...
And if the request is in dollars... the good old US of A
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March 19, 2013 4:27:26 PM

My suggestion without an operating system
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($163.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NS Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($56.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($399.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Case ($105.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1172.40
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-19 19:24 EDT-0400)


My suggestion with a operating system.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill NS Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($56.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($399.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Case ($105.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1243.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-19 19:26 EDT-0400)

I think the 7970 would give you more bang for your buck and can play all games on high-ultra settings.
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March 19, 2013 4:30:03 PM

The Gravy Monster said:
Hello, i have been a passionate gamer all my life and finally am going to take the plunge into the world of attempting to build a Gamer's Machine which would last me a few years to come.

i have a budget of about $1200, (but is flexible if it means $100 would make a huge difference... or even $200) and would like some advice on what to add or take away to make this current list more affordable and compatible.

Been doing some research and came up with these "must haves" according to longevity and duration of the system... (but am not sure if the i7 is worth the extra money over the i5, also some graphic card help would be great.)

BUT I AM I NOOB! so its probably all crap! just need some help before i buy something i regret.

PS: I do notice i am missing some components in this build and would like to leave the door open for suggestions from the experts!

Thanks anything would help.

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W
CPU Cooler: ?
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Memory:Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory (CML8GX3M2A1600C9)
Storage: ?
Video Card:EVGA 02G-P4-2680-KR GeForce GTX 680 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Case:AZZA Solano 1000 Black/Black Japanese SECC Steel/Metal mesh in front ATX Full Tower Computer Case
Power Supply: ?
Optical Drive: ?

All in all i'm pretty confused about the whole thing, especially compatibility issues, and would love some feed back!


Good choice on the 3770k, It's worth investing. As games are getting more and more demanding like crysis 3 and many more in the next few months/years. 3770k's extra threads or what intel called "hyperthreading" really helps.

I changed the 680 to a Gigabyte 670. Even when over clocking both cards, there's not much of a difference. Even an OC Giagabyte 670 can beat the OC Gigabyte 680 in most of the games. You get pretty much the same performance for $100 less.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($79.80 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($52.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($115.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($369.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VN300M1W2N ATX Full Tower Case ($139.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1289.69
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-19 19:22 EDT-0400)

I chose 750 watt so you have more headroom if you plan to overclock or SLI in the future.
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March 19, 2013 4:37:15 PM

burritobob said:
realchaos said:
Overclocking? Plans to Crossfire/SLI? Need a monitor/os? Monitor resolution? Country?


You can simply look at the post and answer those questions yourself:
if the OP is looking for an aftermarket cooler yes he is going to OC
most people do not CFx or SLI
Most people have a monitor of some sort he does have a gaming machine...
And if the request is in dollars... the good old US of A

The fact that he said he doesn't know much about computers, I would like him to answer this himself. Perhaps he doesn't even know what overclocking is and chose the unlocked processor and a z77 mobo due to the good ratings. The request of $ could be in canada. I like tenaciousk's 2nd build as it allows overclocking and crossfire, but I personally would take a bit out of the case for a ghz edition gpu.
March 19, 2013 4:53:01 PM

Hey guys, yeah not %100 sure on the OC part, i live in Canada, no need for a monitor at the moment, or an operating system, my uncle works for Microsoft, and will get me a sick deal on the OS, but he is an Arse and wont help me build anything.

But yeah, i just want a build that will last a good long time with all the upgrading options available to it.

This is because a buddy of mine built his computer a few years ago and got a very cheap MOB and he said he regretted it later down the road.

Also is their any reason everyone keeps changing the case, is the one i put up crap? ahha

And why the Extream4 over 6?

Thanks again !
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March 19, 2013 5:02:12 PM

if you are in canada like me, it changes everything

get this
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/KRkK

-price match the ram at ncix to save on shipping
-same goes for the SSD
-video card is cheaper at ncix.
-price match the heatsink as well
-dvd drive can also be price matched

-asrock boards in canada are scams. good luck with those
-i7s are not for games
-get a proer built case like the arc midi r2. cant get much better that that
a b 4 Gaming
March 19, 2013 5:17:34 PM

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($226.99 @ Newegg Canada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.33 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($56.99 @ NCIX)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($124.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($458.16 @ DirectCanada)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.88 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider Essential 600W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Memory Express)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.79 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $1226.10
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

Same build and reasons as original post its the same price as well.
March 19, 2013 5:20:41 PM

strange.... so asrock boards in Canada are scams... good to know.

Also i know the i5 is a better choice for right now, but eventually wont i have to upgrade to an i7 anyways? i mean as technology advances, and games get more demanding.

Sorry should of said that i lived in Canada didn't know it made such a huge difference.

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March 19, 2013 5:28:58 PM

they cost something like 169.99 before a 40 dollar MIR. thats why its a scam
March 19, 2013 5:30:15 PM

burritobob said:
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($226.99 @ Newegg Canada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.33 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($56.99 @ NCIX)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($124.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($458.16 @ DirectCanada)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.88 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider Essential 600W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Memory Express)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.79 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $1226.10
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

Same build and reasons as original post its the same price as well.



So this build or Trolls... hmm any 3rd party advice??? i do like the reasons for building what you have burrito, but these builds seem so different with the main parts, like the Motherboard and Video Card. gonna need some other people in on this.
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March 19, 2013 5:37:38 PM

problem with above: parts are from newegg, therefore you get scammed in the shipping department since they have to ship from NJ
March 19, 2013 5:48:34 PM

TheBigTroll said:
problem with above: parts are from newegg, therefore you get scammed in the shipping department since they have to ship from NJ


Hmm strange, a buddy of mine swears by Newegg, would it make a difference if i lived in Nova Scotia?
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March 19, 2013 5:52:33 PM

TheBigTroll said:
problem with above: parts are from newegg, therefore you get scammed in the shipping department since they have to ship from NJ


You really do not get scammed shipping to parts of canada are included and also free shipping to Canada and the US is a policy of theirs.
March 19, 2013 5:53:53 PM

Hi,you can see if it has shipping costs or not in newegg, if it says free shipping, it will have free shipping, i made a build for you, i hope you like it, for a single card ;) 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($226.99 @ Newegg Canada)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BL 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Canada Computers)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($171.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Memory: Patriot Gamer 2 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($41.00 @ Vuugo)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($109.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($359.99 @ Memory Express)
Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK III 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Memory Express)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.79 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $1205.71
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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March 19, 2013 5:56:36 PM

burritobob said:
TheBigTroll said:
problem with above: parts are from newegg, therefore you get scammed in the shipping department since they have to ship from NJ


You really do not get scammed shipping to parts of canada are included and also free shipping to Canada and the US is a policy of theirs.


most parts are still requiring a shipping fee. doesnt help much
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March 19, 2013 6:01:32 PM

The Gravy Monster said:
strange.... so asrock boards in Canada are scams... good to know.

Also i know the i5 is a better choice for right now, but eventually wont i have to upgrade to an i7 anyways? i mean as technology advances, and games get more demanding.

Sorry should of said that i lived in Canada didn't know it made such a huge difference.



Get the i7 it really does help. Most new games starts to use more threads. And i7 has extra 4 threads.
March 19, 2013 6:01:57 PM

so regardless of the shipping wars, which is the better build?
March 19, 2013 6:03:37 PM

Hi, he doesn't need the i7, some games are using more CORES, but the ht doesn't help in gaming, some might say it can have the reverse of it, since in some games you do get better performance with the ht off.
As for the builds, i like more of thebigtroll, i made some changes, with better motherboard, cooler, ssd, and cheaper, the only downside is the psu, if you don't plan to add another 670 so soon, that one will do the trick ;) 
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March 19, 2013 6:11:01 PM

The Gravy Monster said:
so regardless of the shipping wars, which is the better build?


Everything (Except the SSD which in my build is fantastic) in our builds are equal except the GPU performance, the 7970 performs a GREAT amount better than the 670 and even the 680...
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March 19, 2013 6:11:08 PM

mine :D 

-better motherboard (ud3h smacks extreme4 anyday in terms of quality)
-ram is a little cheaper
-hard drive i chose has more warranty and is 99 cents cheaper
-he has a faster SSD but it does come at a cost
-his video card performs better but for an extra 100 dollars, forget it
-my case is waaaaay better than the 912. it has usb3, more than an inch of space in the back for cables, removable hard drive bays and cable grommets. it ends up looking a hell of a lot tidier
-i have a better psu
a b 4 Gaming
March 19, 2013 6:12:27 PM

properbuilds said:
Hi, he doesn't need the i7, some games are using more CORES, but the ht doesn't help in gaming, some might say it can have the reverse of it, since in some games you do get better performance with the ht off.
As for the builds, i like more of thebigtroll, i made some changes, with better motherboard, cooler, ssd, and cheaper, the only downside is the psu, if you don't plan to add another 670 so soon, that one will do the trick ;) 


The PSU... not a reputable one stick to Corsair XFX Seasonic and silverstone, otherwise you're risking your entire build being fried like eggs...
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March 19, 2013 6:16:47 PM

TheBigTroll said:
mine :D 

-better motherboard (ud3h smacks extreme4 anyday in terms of quality)
-ram is a little cheaper
-hard drive i chose has more warranty and is 99 cents cheaper
-he has a faster SSD but it does come at a cost
-his video card performs better but for an extra 100 dollars, forget it
-my case is waaaaay better than the 912. it has usb3, more than an inch of space in the back for cables, removable hard drive bays and cable grommets. it ends up looking a hell of a lot tidier
-i have a better psu


Mobo performs the same, the exact same,
You can take his ram it's fine (newegg combo makes mine cheaper)
Get a quality HDD... simple rule either works
SSD = the game changer its blazing fast any completes the rig
GPU Is actually only 50$ or so more, if you're going to build a good machine it's worth the extra horsepower
912 is fantastic for cable management ease of installment and looks amazing. With room for fans and a really great price you cannot beat that.
My mobo comes with USB 3...
March 19, 2013 6:24:54 PM

Burrito's bifold is kinda better because he has a better video card. AMD generally have better cards for gaming.
March 19, 2013 6:26:40 PM

Hi, the silverstone Strider Essential is a sirtec psu(inferior) with just 80 plus, not even bronze, i don't see nothing wrong with being rebranded, it's not like the performance will be less than the other units, clearly you don't know the brands, specially the pc power and cooling one, it's for a long time known to be a reliable one, if you don't have an expertise in the matter then why say such things out of the blue ?
I don't think the price is bad for a seasonic modular 600W unit ;) 
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March 19, 2013 6:28:27 PM

All I can say is if you can snag an i7 3770k with your budget then get it. It doesn't hurt if you have the cash. And especially in games like Crysis 3 and SOON TO COME, Hyperthreading DOES help. But if you don't have the extra cash then go for the 3570k.
March 19, 2013 6:32:11 PM

Ok and i noticed you guys don't Recommend a Full Tower case, any reasons for the Mid Tower?

Also: i want to end the debate, the 670 or the Radeon? for bang for your buck. if there is much of any difference in quality i don't mind spending the extra 100$

And yes i will price match everything i can before i go and order offline, but there are somethings you just cant get anywhere but online, where i live.


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March 19, 2013 6:34:06 PM

burritobob said:
TheBigTroll said:
mine :D 

-better motherboard (ud3h smacks extreme4 anyday in terms of quality)
-ram is a little cheaper
-hard drive i chose has more warranty and is 99 cents cheaper
-he has a faster SSD but it does come at a cost
-his video card performs better but for an extra 100 dollars, forget it
-my case is waaaaay better than the 912. it has usb3, more than an inch of space in the back for cables, removable hard drive bays and cable grommets. it ends up looking a hell of a lot tidier
-i have a better psu


Mobo performs the same, the exact same,
You can take his ram it's fine (newegg combo makes mine cheaper)
Get a quality HDD... simple rule either works
SSD = the game changer its blazing fast any completes the rig
GPU Is actually only 50$ or so more, if you're going to build a good machine it's worth the extra horsepower
912 is fantastic for cable management ease of installment and looks amazing. With room for fans and a really great price you cannot beat that.
My mobo comes with USB 3...


-in my sig i have a link to a almost complete list of motherboard vrms. if you look around, you can find that the asrock uses D-pak mosfets, which are the cheapest stuff you can get for a board (comparable to msi z77-g41 level boards). its only recommended for air overclocks while the gigabyte is recommended for sub zero (they did 7ghz with a gigabyte ud3h). the odds are that you are not overclocking using LN2, but it does show its quality

you cant tell the difference between a vertex 4 and a sandforce toggle drive.

its 100 dollars more. 670 is at 369.99 after a MIR while the sapphire is 450

its nothing compared to the R4 and arc midi r2 cases. i can stack a pci-e 6 pin cable, 24 pin cable, and a eps connector ontop of each other on a arc midi r2 and it will side on

every z77 board comes with usb3.
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a b U Graphics card
a c 75 V Motherboard
March 19, 2013 6:36:34 PM

The Gravy Monster said:
Ok and i noticed you guys don't Recommend a Full Tower case, any reasons for the Mid Tower?

Also: i want to end the debate, the 670 or the Radeon? for bang for your buck. if there is much of any difference in quality i don't mind spending the extra 100$

And yes i will price match everything i can before i go and order offline, but there are somethings you just cant get anywhere but online, where i live.



quality is about the same overall with sapphire being a bit better. it will perform better but then you would be able to tell in real gameplay if the fps is 70 and 75 respectively. not worth my 100 dollars

there is no reason to go full tower. people who think they are better generally dont know that they cant fill up half the case. full towers are good for watercooling though
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March 19, 2013 6:39:10 PM

TheBigTroll said:
burritobob said:
TheBigTroll said:
mine :D 

-better motherboard (ud3h smacks extreme4 anyday in terms of quality)
-ram is a little cheaper
-hard drive i chose has more warranty and is 99 cents cheaper
-he has a faster SSD but it does come at a cost
-his video card performs better but for an extra 100 dollars, forget it
-my case is waaaaay better than the 912. it has usb3, more than an inch of space in the back for cables, removable hard drive bays and cable grommets. it ends up looking a hell of a lot tidier
-i have a better psu


Mobo performs the same, the exact same,
You can take his ram it's fine (newegg combo makes mine cheaper)
Get a quality HDD... simple rule either works
SSD = the game changer its blazing fast any completes the rig
GPU Is actually only 50$ or so more, if you're going to build a good machine it's worth the extra horsepower
912 is fantastic for cable management ease of installment and looks amazing. With room for fans and a really great price you cannot beat that.
My mobo comes with USB 3...


-in my sig i have a link to a almost complete list of motherboard vrms. if you look around, you can find that the asrock uses D-pak mosfets, which are the cheapest stuff you can get for a board (comparable to msi z77-g41 level boards). its only recommended for air overclocks while the gigabyte is recommended for sub zero (they did 7ghz with a gigabyte ud3h). the odds are that you are not overclocking using LN2, but it does show its quality

you cant tell the difference between a vertex 4 and a sandforce toggle drive.

its 100 dollars more. 670 is at 369.99 after a MIR while the sapphire is 450

its nothing compared to the R4 and arc midi r2 cases. i can stack a pci-e 6 pin cable, 24 pin cable, and a eps connector ontop of each other on a arc midi r2 and it will side on

every z77 board comes with usb3.


This is an air cooled build... with that out of the way:

The GPU is 415$ check your reading skills.

Case is a personal thing calm down man...
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March 19, 2013 6:41:05 PM

TheBigTroll said:
The Gravy Monster said:
Ok and i noticed you guys don't Recommend a Full Tower case, any reasons for the Mid Tower?

Also: i want to end the debate, the 670 or the Radeon? for bang for your buck. if there is much of any difference in quality i don't mind spending the extra 100$

And yes i will price match everything i can before i go and order offline, but there are somethings you just cant get anywhere but online, where i live.



quality is about the same overall with sapphire being a bit better. it will perform better but then you would be able to tell in real gameplay if the fps is 70 and 75 respectively. not worth my 100 dollars

there is no reason to go full tower. people who think they are better generally dont know that they cant fill up half the case. full towers are good for watercooling though


The ability of the cards to max games is higher on the 7970. If the 670 cannot even max games at 60fps why would you get it, to eliminate the pains of something being 10fps or more lower than 60, why not do it? It is only 50$ or so his math is terrible...
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March 19, 2013 6:43:14 PM

johnvonmacz said:
All I can say is if you can snag an i7 3770k with your budget then get it. It doesn't hurt if you have the cash. And especially in games like Crysis 3 and SOON TO COME, Hyperthreading DOES help. But if you don't have the extra cash then go for the 3570k.


If you live near a microcenter this is a good idea (as the i7 is 230$ there), otherwise it will be 5 to 10 years before 8 threads becomes necessary, you forget Crytek is normally ahead of the graphics curve by 3-4 years. And by that time, there will be so much new technology that the i7 will be a slow beast of the past :( 
March 19, 2013 6:51:29 PM

Is there any difference between the people who manufacture the video cards. like there is the sapphire and a gigabyte one and another one.... whats the deal with that? they seem to be very similar
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March 19, 2013 6:58:16 PM

The Gravy Monster said:
Is there any difference between the people who manufacture the video cards. like there is the sapphire and a gigabyte one and another one.... whats the deal with that? they seem to be very similar


there are tons of them. and in the end they are pretty similar. what really defines them is the stuff that they use that you wont notice as a daily user and their warranty policy. for gigabyte, if something goes wrong in NA, you have to ship to California. for sapphire, you have to ship to hong kong to get it fixed
March 19, 2013 7:04:58 PM

Hi, the question is do you prefer a nvidia 670 gtx or the amd 7970 ?
The 7970 brings two proper games with it which makes it a good value, it's also a good card, mostly it trades blows with the 670/680 gtx.
If you want the games and you seen the benchmarks of the games that you like and found that the 7970 gives more fps, go with the 7970, but with the normal 7970, it's not worth paying much more for the ghz edition.
If you want to go with 7970->http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/KT4z
If you wan to go with the 670 gtx -> http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/KSpI
Or if you don't plan to overclock that much, you don't feel the necessity of wanting the features of the higher end gigabyte UD5H -> http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/KTae
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March 19, 2013 7:05:02 PM

TheBigTroll said:
The Gravy Monster said:
Is there any difference between the people who manufacture the video cards. like there is the sapphire and a gigabyte one and another one.... whats the deal with that? they seem to be very similar


there are tons of them. and in the end they are pretty similar. what really defines them is the stuff that they use that you wont notice as a daily user and their warranty policy. for gigabyte, if something goes wrong in NA, you have to ship to California. for sapphire, you have to ship to hong kong to get it fixed


Biggest flop of a reason to get a GPU I think I've ever seen O.o. You can RMA without a hassle to every country... and you will not have to RMA anyways that is unless you throw the card into a pool O.o

Go with simple power on this one the 7970 performs better ,that's it.

The difference between the manufactures is quiet a bit, ranging from after-market coolers to a complete structure change. The Sapphire card can overclock just as well as windforce and other than that minor difference there is none but the raw power of the 7970.

Also if our builds cost pretty much the SAME amount why not get the more powerful option... because the debating all night won't fly, you should pick the one with better performance IE the build I suggested.

Oh and I forgot to mention you get Crysis 3 Bisoshock Infinite and Tomb Raider FOR FREE with the 7970...
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March 19, 2013 7:18:58 PM

there is a reason i put it behind the quality of components. warranty defines whether id recommend a card from a lesser brand such as HIS (which from most of which i hear is terrible) compared to someone like asus. there is a reason there are so many evga buyers even though its known that their aftermarket cards have higher temps than all their other competitors cards with their aftermarket solutions

you still did not address your thing with the 7970 price screwup. so whos math is terrible?

anywyas. i really couldnt care less if you get a nivida card or a amd card. they both have their advantages and have their flaws. if you want a 7970, get this one and not that over priced sapphire ghz edition. games are negligble if you dont play them.
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?affiliateid=7474144&sku=67...
March 19, 2013 7:34:24 PM

You get crysis 3 with the AMD, which is around $60, the new Tomb Raider, and Bioshock. Those games go around for $150, you could sell them on a hacking forums or something. Like mpgh.com
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March 20, 2013 6:53:46 AM

TheBigTroll said:
there is a reason i put it behind the quality of components. warranty defines whether id recommend a card from a lesser brand such as HIS (which from most of which i hear is terrible) compared to someone like asus. there is a reason there are so many evga buyers even though its known that their aftermarket cards have higher temps than all their other competitors cards with their aftermarket solutions

you still did not address your thing with the 7970 price screwup. so whos math is terrible?

anywyas. i really couldnt care less if you get a nivida card or a amd card. they both have their advantages and have their flaws. if you want a 7970, get this one and not that over priced sapphire ghz edition. games are negligble if you dont play them.
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?affiliateid=7474144&sku=67...


Calm down the quality of my parts are MCUH greater the warranties are longer and your math is COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY FLAWED, the build prices are the same but the quality and warranty that you endorse is absent from your build in the status qou.
March 20, 2013 9:52:40 AM

got a question on the power supply... will a 600w suffice or do i need to get the 720?
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March 20, 2013 10:07:25 AM

so 369.99 and 458 dollars is only 50 dollar apart?

warranty longer? asrock: 3 years. gigabyte: 3 years. seems legit
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March 20, 2013 10:08:25 AM

The Gravy Monster said:
got a question on the power supply... will a 600w suffice or do i need to get the 720?


550w is sufficent. 750w is required for crossfire or SLI video cards.
March 20, 2013 10:31:05 AM

CORSAIR HX Series HX750 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC this one ok?
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March 20, 2013 10:40:46 AM

i suggested a better one for cheaper
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