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AMD A10-5800K without graphics card can run Crysis 3 and Aliens: Colonial Marines?

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March 20, 2013 3:32:19 AM

I'm thinking of buying an A10-5800K; don't have much money right now. Will this APU be able to run Crysis 3 and Aliens: Colonial Marines, and what resolution?
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March 20, 2013 4:27:19 AM

at low-med settings @ 1280*720p res
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March 20, 2013 8:08:36 AM

ASHISH65 said:
at low-med settings @ 1280*720p res


Yeah, you won't be able to run those at high settings...but you should be ok with low to mid range settings. You can always add a GPU later
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March 20, 2013 9:14:28 AM

A10 is like $140 and you have to use DDR3-1866 to get good performance out of the graphics, so that's going to add another $10 to the cost. I'd get a GTX 650 and a Celeron G1620 or Pentium G2020 for that amount instead. It's only got 2 cores instead of 4, but the GTX 650 is like 3x faster than the AMD APU.

When building an ultra cheap gaming rig you always want to stack the GPU.



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March 20, 2013 9:24:04 AM

i kinda disagree. its not a good idea to get a dual core cpu now like pentium or celeron. the A10 is better and he can always add a better gpu later on easily but changing the cpu is more hassle than necessary
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March 20, 2013 9:34:58 AM

I can see it both ways. I'd want a better GPU.
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March 20, 2013 12:23:11 PM

The A10 APU has 8 cores and 4 FPUs and a clock speed of 3.8 GHz (4.1 TC)...pentium is better how?
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March 20, 2013 12:32:55 PM

8350rocks said:
The A10 APU has 8 cores and 4 FPUs and a clock speed of 3.8 GHz (4.1 TC)...pentium is better how?


nobody said pentium is better. The A10 is obviously better
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March 20, 2013 12:39:53 PM

mohit9206 said:
8350rocks said:
The A10 APU has 8 cores and 4 FPUs and a clock speed of 3.8 GHz (4.1 TC)...pentium is better how?


nobody said pentium is better. The A10 is obviously better


I was asking twelve25 how it was better to go to an archaic pentium for a minor upgrade in GPU...

That pentium would barely be enough horsepower to get the GTX650 running optimally...and it wouldn't be upgradable later like the A10 obviously would be...
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March 20, 2013 12:40:24 PM

The graphics of a GTX 650 > A10. Graphics power matters most for most games.
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March 20, 2013 12:44:21 PM

logainofhades said:
The graphics of a GTX 650 > A10. Graphics power matters most for most games.


Not disputing the GPU angle...but 6 months down the road he can upgrade affordably...A10 + GTX 650/Radeon 7850 > pentium + GTX 650/Radeon 7850
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March 20, 2013 1:04:00 PM

8350rocks said:
logainofhades said:
The graphics of a GTX 650 > A10. Graphics power matters most for most games.


Not disputing the GPU angle...but 6 months down the road he can upgrade affordably...A10 + GTX 650/Radeon 7850 > pentium + GTX 650/Radeon 7850


You are comparing a different scenario now. A10 + 7850 is a $300 combo. If we are comparing that, then he can also upgrade the Pentium to a i3 or used i5 down the road.

The issue is that you are going to get slideshow performance on Crysis 3 with a APU.

6670 is about 50-60% faster than the 7660D on the A10 and it gets 20fps on 720p and low. A card like the GTX 650 can at least do 60fps with a good CPU.


And we can see that the Pentium G860 can hit 20fps on 1080p high, which means it should be capable of nearly double that at 720p.



So the reason I'd go with the low end CPU + medium GPU is that you at least have a chance of playing good games now and you have a good upgrade path to an i5 later. A10 is essentially not going to cut it until you upgrade.
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March 20, 2013 1:08:07 PM

But later down the road, he has to fork out money for a new board, as he is essentially drawing dead on intel...when haswell hits, the socket changes...AMD is dedicated to FM2 APU architecture through 2015, so Kaveri and the next iteration will be upgradable with a current AMD MoBo, and the graphics cards can be changed at regular intervals as time and money allow...
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March 20, 2013 1:38:52 PM

Drawing dead on Intel? The Haswell is showing like 5-10% performance increase over Ivy bridge. So there is plenty of upgrade room with Ivy Bridge processors. FM2 is a low end platform A10 is already top end. So the upgrade paths are limited.

Honestly, I think it is a little funny to recommend a solution that can't even achieve his current goals just because it is potentially easier to upgrade.


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March 20, 2013 1:47:44 PM

how about A10-5800k with radeon 6670? can it run crysis 3 at decent settings and frame rates?
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March 20, 2013 2:09:26 PM

mohit9206 said:
how about A10-5800k with radeon 6670? can it run crysis 3 at decent settings and frame rates?


No. AMD dual graphics with a 6670 barely beats a stock 6670. And a stock 6670 can't handle 720p low.

An A10 + 6670 approaches $200 total. For $200 you could run a Phenom II X4 or a FX-4300 and a GTX 650 or 7750/GDDR5 (or maybe even a bargain 7770). THat puts us in a whole other realm of performance and none of the best options include an APU.


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March 20, 2013 2:19:48 PM

then who is an APU meant for ?
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March 20, 2013 2:21:04 PM

The A10 with 1866 ram no OC can play bf3 1080p low/med. The 7660d is not a terrible gpu for low setting gaming, i have no idea on how it handles crysis 3 but if u oc the cpu and gpu it improves performance quite a bit, for $130 for the apu and how it plays games for the cost is worth it. But if u attempt to run dual graphics, just go with a x4/6300 and a 650/7770
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March 20, 2013 2:23:35 PM

8350rocks said:
The A10 APU has 8 cores and 4 FPUs and a clock speed of 3.8 GHz (4.1 TC)...pentium is better how?


Since when does a quad core apu have 8 cores?
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March 20, 2013 2:43:36 PM

mohit9206 said:
then who is an APU meant for ?


People who don't want to buy a graphics card or would have run something like a 6450 or 6570 in the past.

If you add anything higher than a 6570, then you pretty much just paid an extra $25 for an FX-4300 as you won't be using the graphics processing portion of the CPU. A10 is essentially an FX-4300 with a 6570 built in.



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March 20, 2013 3:35:17 PM

lazyboy947 said:
8350rocks said:
The A10 APU has 8 cores and 4 FPUs and a clock speed of 3.8 GHz (4.1 TC)...pentium is better how?


Since when does a quad core apu have 8 cores?


A10 is an 8 core CPU with 4 FPUs...they call it a "quad core" because they count Floating Point Units capable of making Floating Point Calculations a "core" however, it has 8 cores capable of making integer calculations...it is essentially an FX8320 without L3 cache and using an integrated 7660 HD GPU instead. It's technically a System on Chip or SoC, which is why they call it an APU.
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March 20, 2013 3:36:12 PM

twelve25 said:
mohit9206 said:
then who is an APU meant for ?


People who don't want to buy a graphics card or would have run something like a 6450 or 6570 in the past.

If you add anything higher than a 6570, then you pretty much just paid an extra $25 for an FX-4300 as you won't be using the graphics processing portion of the CPU. A10 is essentially an FX-4300 with a 6570 built in.





You are misinformed...that would be an A4...an A10 is essentially an 8320 without L3 cache. A10=8 cores/4 FPU(Piledriver)...A4=4 cores/2FPU...A6=6 cores/3 FPU...A8=8 cores/4 FPU (bulldozer)...

The A10 is nothing to sneeze at...it will blow away an FX4300...unless you were running something like a 78XX on the 4300 and no graphics card on the A10...

Plus, if you OC the A10, you OC the GPU as well...with the right RAM, you may not even need a GPU to run low settings graphic intensive stuff
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March 20, 2013 3:54:07 PM

So if the A10 has 4fpu cores and 8 interger cores, but isnt that almost the same thing for an 8350? and they call that a true 8 core, but the apu a quad core? I have no idea how ur getting 8 cores from. AMD is pretty good for advertising whats there to actually be used not calling it a quad core but actually have "8 cores". So what im getting is the 8350 is a 8 fpu core with 16 integer cores? lol
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March 20, 2013 3:58:51 PM

lazyboy947 said:
So if the A10 has 4fpu cores and 8 interger cores, but isnt that almost the same thing for an 8350? and they call that a true 8 core, but the apu a quad core? I have no idea how ur getting 8 cores from. AMD is pretty good for advertising whats there to actually be used not calling it a quad core but actually have "8 cores". So what im getting is the 8350 is a 8 fpu core with 16 integer cores? lol


4 cores for CPU and 4 cores for GPU = 8 Cores + 4 FPU...as I said...it's a SoC, it's not exactly same/same...but the equal comparison would be much closer to 8320 than 4300...it's really clever the way they did it actually...
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March 20, 2013 4:02:00 PM

oh so making the gpu a quad core? so rlly the cpu portion doesnt rlly gain off the extra cores and used purely for the gpu or what?
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March 20, 2013 4:03:50 PM

lazyboy947 said:
oh so making the gpu a quad core? so rlly the cpu portion doesnt rlly gain off the extra cores and used purely for the gpu or what?


Well, for running integer calculation, the CPU can tap the cores that are unused for graphic processing...but when under heavy Graphics load, the GPU cores are prioritized for rendering...

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March 20, 2013 4:05:23 PM

i would agree that its a clever way how they did that, so when igpu is disabled are those cores unlocked for full cpu use?
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March 20, 2013 4:06:46 PM

lazyboy947 said:
i would agree that its a clever way how they did that, so when igpu is disabled are those cores unlocked for full cpu use?


Yes, because they're not tied up rendering
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March 20, 2013 4:07:42 PM

so would the disabled cores being used for reg processing, have similar performance to the fx 83xx cpus?
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March 20, 2013 4:10:28 PM

lazyboy947 said:
so would the disabled cores being used for reg processing, have similar performance to the fx 83xx cpus?


Similar...not exactly the same...but you'd be better off then a 6300 and not quite an 8320...you're missing some L3 cache on the chip...so you won't be able to process instructions quite as fast...but you'll be right on the heels of the FX8XXX series...
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March 20, 2013 4:13:40 PM

wow this i did not know, going to have to test this with my friends a10 lol Totally makes it worth getting an A10 over an i3 or something lol

When my friend gets his i3, im going to take each of my 6770s and figureing out which one is better lol

sorry for taking over the thread somewhat lol at least it was about the A10 lol
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March 20, 2013 4:16:34 PM

lazyboy947 said:
wow this i did not know, going to have to test this with my friends a10 lol Totally makes it worth getting an A10 over an i3 or something lol


Indeed...AMD is pretty clever...
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March 20, 2013 6:36:40 PM

8350rocks said:
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8350rocks said:
The A10 APU has 8 cores and 4 FPUs and a clock speed of 3.8 GHz (4.1 TC)...pentium is better how?


Since when does a quad core apu have 8 cores?


A10 is an 8 core CPU with 4 FPUs...they call it a "quad core" because they count Floating Point Units capable of making Floating Point Calculations a "core" however, it has 8 cores capable of making integer calculations...it is essentially an FX8320 without L3 cache and using an integrated 7660 HD GPU instead. It's technically a System on Chip or SoC, which is why they call it an APU.


Seriously, you are making this up!

Look at the processor block diagram, it's two dual core modules each with 1 FPU scheduler and 2 integer schedules. If anything it is even a stretch to call it a quad core.



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March 20, 2013 6:40:00 PM

Well even if his facts are not right, the igpu of the a10 is not bad for it being apart of the cpu and costing no more than it would be to buy an older card like a 9800gt which still sells for $70. I know who would still buy one of them but the a10 is a great budget processor to get, even the new hasewell hd graphics cant touch the trinity igpu, i know obviously ppl dont buy intel cpus to use the igpu at least for an i7 lol but with 1866 ram and an overclock on the cpu and gpu, makes playable fps on bf3 at med and other games, if u think of how much ur paying for a low end pc to run lets say just bf3 at similar settings the apu has great performance for what you get.

At the moment 1866+ ram is not much more than 1600 as for some odd reason i do not know but ram has gone from $38-42 to about $60 for 8gb 1600.

Basically the a10 is also comparable to the cheaper x4 965be, which for budget would get over a 4300 as if ur going 4300 get a 6300 for $10 more lol and the best budget gpu would be the $115 7770, as the 650 is usually slightly behind it and the ti 650 is better but costs more
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March 20, 2013 6:41:24 PM

The A10 is a great CPU, but that doesn't mean it is going to play Crysis.



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March 20, 2013 6:47:53 PM

seen some youtube videos with crysis 3 and the igpu, seems the lowest settings is barely 30 fps and dipping lower, so would def require a decent oc and higher speed ram, as crysis is a pretty rough game lol the beta defaulted my crossfire to medium lol
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March 20, 2013 7:18:43 PM

twelve25 said:
8350rocks said:
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8350rocks said:
The A10 APU has 8 cores and 4 FPUs and a clock speed of 3.8 GHz (4.1 TC)...pentium is better how?


Since when does a quad core apu have 8 cores?


A10 is an 8 core CPU with 4 FPUs...they call it a "quad core" because they count Floating Point Units capable of making Floating Point Calculations a "core" however, it has 8 cores capable of making integer calculations...it is essentially an FX8320 without L3 cache and using an integrated 7660 HD GPU instead. It's technically a System on Chip or SoC, which is why they call it an APU.


Seriously, you are making this up!

Look at the processor block diagram, it's two dual core modules each with 1 FPU scheduler and 2 integer schedules. If anything it is even a stretch to call it a quad core.






And whats hillarious is he beleives every word of it and not even able to provide 1 shred of any proof. The a10 is a quad core with 2 FPU's. End of story. The gpu is not a quad core because gpu's don't use any kind of cpu cores; they use radeon cores and there's 384 of them in the 10-5800k. Here's a link for proof. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6332/amd-trinity-a10-5800...
Someone needs to ban this moron from making posts for a month...spreading misinformation like this on a geeks forum is blasphemous.

As for the A10, its good for what it is but if you have any intention of getting a discrete GPU then get a different processor altogether. Basically its the athlon version of the fx, it lacks L3 cache just like the athlonII's so its performance is a little slower that the equivalent FX-4xxx processor. The FX-6xxx and Fx-8xxx blow it out of the water but only for programs/games that can use the extra cores. In single threaded apps it will be just a little slower.
IMO - its the perfect HTPC processor.
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March 20, 2013 7:32:44 PM

seemed pretty legit lol i mean i questioned it just dont pay too much attention with the apus, should known better than to listen but gotta love ppl who are misinformed or are trolls lol
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March 20, 2013 11:01:06 PM

twelve25 said:
The A10 is a great CPU, but that doesn't mean it is going to play Crysis.





why do you say the A10 cant play crysis ? it can just at low settings though but it can. however look at positive side of things. there are many new games that A10 can even manage at 1080p medium details. so its a good budget cpu with built in gpu. however i would say that my cheap pentium + 7750 combo blows away the A10 in gaming performance
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March 20, 2013 11:09:42 PM

mohit9206 said:
twelve25 said:
The A10 is a great CPU, but that doesn't mean it is going to play Crysis.





why do you say the A10 cant play crysis ? it can just at low settings though but it can. however look at positive side of things. there are many new games that A10 can even manage at 1080p medium details. so its a good budget cpu with built in gpu. however i would say that my cheap pentium + 7750 combo blows away the A10 in gaming performance


An Athlon II X4 640 with a 7750 would be better yet if you consider what the best CPU's for the money article says. Pretty cheap combo as well.
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March 20, 2013 11:19:30 PM

mohit9206 said:
twelve25 said:
The A10 is a great CPU, but that doesn't mean it is going to play Crysis.





why do you say the A10 cant play crysis ? it can just at low settings though but it can. however look at positive side of things. there are many new games that A10 can even manage at 1080p medium details. so its a good budget cpu with built in gpu. however i would say that my cheap pentium + 7750 combo blows away the A10 in gaming performance


I am not sure it can. See the graph I posted above showing the 6670 at 20fps on 720p and low. I don't consider 20fps playable by any standard and the APU is not going to outperform a 6670.

Yes there are many games it can play well, but it's looking like not the one the OP mentioned.
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March 21, 2013 12:42:07 AM

logainofhades said:
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if we compare pentium with athlon by clock to clock speed than pentium will be faster than athlon.

- http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Pentium-G2120-vs-AMD-Athl...


I suggest you do some reading. Tom's took the Pentiums off the best gaming cpus list for a reason.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-processor-fr...


i have read that many times

x4 will be better in multithreaded games,but games which uses 2 cores(90% games uses)then pentium will have edge due to strong single core performance + low power consumption.

- http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/122?vs=404

- http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/188?vs=404
March 21, 2013 4:16:20 AM

I have a laptop at present, an i3 2350M CPU at 2.30 Ghz, with 4 GB DDR3 RAM, and Intel HD Graphics 3000. It can't run Aliens vs Predator of 2010 properly, so I'm thinking of buying a new computer. Will the A10 run both the Aliens games (AVP 2010 and Aliens Colonial Marines), forget Crysis, at playable rates, even at low settings?
March 21, 2013 4:39:39 AM

But this is my thread! And I had mentioned Crysis 3 in the first post, which is what everyone is talking about. But I also need info for the Aliens games. Maybe the Aliens games won't be so much graphics intensive as Crysis 3. As for budget, I haven't decided it yet, it is around 25 to 30K (Indian rupees), which is why I thought of the A10.
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March 21, 2013 4:46:40 AM

BhargavJ said:
But this is my thread! And I had mentioned Crysis 3 in the first post, which is what everyone is talking about. But I also need info for the Aliens games. Maybe the Aliens games won't be so much graphics intensive as Crysis 3. As for budget, I haven't decided it yet, it is around 25 to 30K (Indian rupees), which is why I thought of the A10.


sorry my crap!! what components you need in 30k

March 21, 2013 5:32:27 AM

One option is to buy an APU, at around 30K. Second option is to buy a CPU (entire system), same budget, but I'll buy a 7850 separately with my money, taking the rest from my father. Haven't decided what to do, which is why I asked whether these games will run on an APU.
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March 21, 2013 5:34:59 AM

apu will struggle with new games.apu 10 iss at rs 8500.not rs 30000
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March 21, 2013 5:36:02 AM

so which components you want in 30k? i tell you a quotation
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