AMD A10-5800K without graphics card can run Crysis 3 and Aliens: Colonial Marines?

[BhargavJ]

I'm thinking of buying an A10-5800K; don't have much money right now. Will this APU be able to run Crysis 3 and Aliens: Colonial Marines, and what resolution?

 

[ASHISH65]

at low-med settings @ 1280*720p res

 

[8350rocks]

at low-med settings @ 1280*720p res

Yeah, you won't be able to run those at high settings...but you should be ok with low to mid range settings. You can always add a GPU later

 

[twelve25]

A10 is like $140 and you have to use DDR3-1866 to get good performance out of the graphics, so that's going to add another $10 to the cost. I'd get a GTX 650 and a Celeron G1620 or Pentium G2020 for that amount instead. It's only got 2 cores instead of 4, but the GTX 650 is like 3x faster than the AMD APU.

When building an ultra cheap gaming rig you always want to stack the GPU.

 

[mohit9206]

i kinda disagree. its not a good idea to get a dual core cpu now like pentium or celeron. the A10 is better and he can always add a better gpu later on easily but changing the cpu is more hassle than necessary

 

[twelve25]

I can see it both ways. I'd want a better GPU.

 

[8350rocks]

The A10 APU has 8 cores and 4 FPUs and a clock speed of 3.8 GHz (4.1 TC)...pentium is better how?

 

[mohit9206]

The A10 APU has 8 cores and 4 FPUs and a clock speed of 3.8 GHz (4.1 TC)...pentium is better how?

nobody said pentium is better. The A10 is obviously better

 

[8350rocks]

The A10 APU has 8 cores and 4 FPUs and a clock speed of 3.8 GHz (4.1 TC)...pentium is better how?

nobody said pentium is better. The A10 is obviously better

I was asking twelve25 how it was better to go to an archaic pentium for a minor upgrade in GPU...

That pentium would barely be enough horsepower to get the GTX650 running optimally...and it wouldn't be upgradable later like the A10 obviously would be...

 

[logainofhades]

The graphics of a GTX 650 > A10. Graphics power matters most for most games.

 

[8350rocks]

The graphics of a GTX 650 > A10. Graphics power matters most for most games.

Not disputing the GPU angle...but 6 months down the road he can upgrade affordably...A10 + GTX 650/Radeon 7850 > pentium + GTX 650/Radeon 7850

 

[twelve25]

The graphics of a GTX 650 > A10. Graphics power matters most for most games.

Not disputing the GPU angle...but 6 months down the road he can upgrade affordably...A10 + GTX 650/Radeon 7850 > pentium + GTX 650/Radeon 7850

You are comparing a different scenario now. A10 + 7850 is a $300 combo. If we are comparing that, then he can also upgrade the Pentium to a i3 or used i5 down the road.

The issue is that you are going to get slideshow performance on Crysis 3 with a APU.

6670 is about 50-60% faster than the 7660D on the A10 and it gets 20fps on 720p and low. A card like the GTX 650 can at least do 60fps with a good CPU.

And we can see that the Pentium G860 can hit 20fps on 1080p high, which means it should be capable of nearly double that at 720p.

So the reason I'd go with the low end CPU + medium GPU is that you at least have a chance of playing good games now and you have a good upgrade path to an i5 later. A10 is essentially not going to cut it until you upgrade.

 

[8350rocks]

But later down the road, he has to fork out money for a new board, as he is essentially drawing dead on intel...when haswell hits, the socket changes...AMD is dedicated to FM2 APU architecture through 2015, so Kaveri and the next iteration will be upgradable with a current AMD MoBo, and the graphics cards can be changed at regular intervals as time and money allow...

 

[twelve25]

Drawing dead on Intel? The Haswell is showing like 5-10% performance increase over Ivy bridge. So there is plenty of upgrade room with Ivy Bridge processors. FM2 is a low end platform A10 is already top end. So the upgrade paths are limited.

Honestly, I think it is a little funny to recommend a solution that can't even achieve his current goals just because it is potentially easier to upgrade.

 

[mohit9206]

how about A10-5800k with radeon 6670? can it run crysis 3 at decent settings and frame rates?

 

[twelve25]

how about A10-5800k with radeon 6670? can it run crysis 3 at decent settings and frame rates?

No. AMD dual graphics with a 6670 barely beats a stock 6670. And a stock 6670 can't handle 720p low.

An A10 + 6670 approaches $200 total. For $200 you could run a Phenom II X4 or a FX-4300 and a GTX 650 or 7750/GDDR5 (or maybe even a bargain 7770). THat puts us in a whole other realm of performance and none of the best options include an APU.


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[mohit9206]

then who is an APU meant for ?

 

[lazyboy947]

The A10 with 1866 ram no OC can play bf3 1080p low/med. The 7660d is not a terrible gpu for low setting gaming, i have no idea on how it handles crysis 3 but if u oc the cpu and gpu it improves performance quite a bit, for $130 for the apu and how it plays games for the cost is worth it. But if u attempt to run dual graphics, just go with a x4/6300 and a 650/7770

 

[lazyboy947]

The A10 APU has 8 cores and 4 FPUs and a clock speed of 3.8 GHz (4.1 TC)...pentium is better how?

Since when does a quad core apu have 8 cores?

 

[twelve25]

then who is an APU meant for ?

People who don't want to buy a graphics card or would have run something like a 6450 or 6570 in the past.

If you add anything higher than a 6570, then you pretty much just paid an extra $25 for an FX-4300 as you won't be using the graphics processing portion of the CPU. A10 is essentially an FX-4300 with a 6570 built in.

 

[8350rocks]

The A10 APU has 8 cores and 4 FPUs and a clock speed of 3.8 GHz (4.1 TC)...pentium is better how?

Since when does a quad core apu have 8 cores?

A10 is an 8 core CPU with 4 FPUs...they call it a "quad core" because they count Floating Point Units capable of making Floating Point Calculations a "core" however, it has 8 cores capable of making integer calculations...it is essentially an FX8320 without L3 cache and using an integrated 7660 HD GPU instead. It's technically a System on Chip or SoC, which is why they call it an APU.

 

[8350rocks]

then who is an APU meant for ?

People who don't want to buy a graphics card or would have run something like a 6450 or 6570 in the past.

If you add anything higher than a 6570, then you pretty much just paid an extra $25 for an FX-4300 as you won't be using the graphics processing portion of the CPU. A10 is essentially an FX-4300 with a 6570 built in.

You are misinformed...that would be an A4...an A10 is essentially an 8320 without L3 cache. A10=8 cores/4 FPU(Piledriver)...A4=4 cores/2FPU...A6=6 cores/3 FPU...A8=8 cores/4 FPU (bulldozer)...

The A10 is nothing to sneeze at...it will blow away an FX4300...unless you were running something like a 78XX on the 4300 and no graphics card on the A10...

Plus, if you OC the A10, you OC the GPU as well...with the right RAM, you may not even need a GPU to run low settings graphic intensive stuff

 

[lazyboy947]

So if the A10 has 4fpu cores and 8 interger cores, but isnt that almost the same thing for an 8350? and they call that a true 8 core, but the apu a quad core? I have no idea how ur getting 8 cores from. AMD is pretty good for advertising whats there to actually be used not calling it a quad core but actually have "8 cores". So what im getting is the 8350 is a 8 fpu core with 16 integer cores? lol

 

[8350rocks]

So if the A10 has 4fpu cores and 8 interger cores, but isnt that almost the same thing for an 8350? and they call that a true 8 core, but the apu a quad core? I have no idea how ur getting 8 cores from. AMD is pretty good for advertising whats there to actually be used not calling it a quad core but actually have "8 cores". So what im getting is the 8350 is a 8 fpu core with 16 integer cores? lol

4 cores for CPU and 4 cores for GPU = 8 Cores + 4 FPU...as I said...it's a SoC, it's not exactly same/same...but the equal comparison would be much closer to 8320 than 4300...it's really clever the way they did it actually...

 

[lazyboy947]

oh so making the gpu a quad core? so rlly the cpu portion doesnt rlly gain off the extra cores and used purely for the gpu or what?