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March 25, 2013 1:10:33 AM

Hi

Im a new member in Toms forum.
I have been working very hard free giving solution to peoples problem in the forum.
A lot of answers never gets picked as the solution even if it resolves the issue.
But more painful is when my answer already selected by the OP some other member without any valid reason or explanation unselects this!? I dont understand why the option "unselect as solution" is even their for others but OP?

Recently I have spotted one but don't know how many times this has happened with me as I simply unable to check all my 400+ messages in this month!

Heres an example:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-1633818/proces...

I welcome all opinions from all levels of knowledge, so I don't have an issue with the OP selecting an option that doesn't make sense to me. It's just find it frustrating if someone unselects a solution already marked by OP as the solution

Is there any anyway this can be sorted and prevented in future?
I have discussed this to some senior members aswell they are not happy with this either if its happening as this is not fair at all.
Also what or if there will be any action against the memer or members who do this for no valid reason?

Kind regards

EDIT:
Alright I have read the responses and seems to me most of the members do agree with me While Some members has also misunderstood first part of my statement. While helping people gives "peace of mind" "noble" filling etc regardless picked as the best Answer or not but a little thank you from OP or OP letting know that you succeed in helping him is NOT announcing charity but a simple courtesy/politeness. Also a thread marked in green solved immediately gets people in to it with similar problem looking for the solution. Perhaps thats why the pick solution option is there in Toms forum and so are the badges and status upgrade path. Unfortunately lot of new members dont know this, who just joined to findout a solution. I do understand that "pick solution" also can leed to competition jealousy missuse apparently but I also got amazed by few members that they dont even care about this badge or status progress system (and perhaps wouldnt mind if me or someone now go in to his participated thread and unselect his answers as best solution.I wont do it chill) But majority of the members will and does agree that This is unfair and Not nice. So that was the point.

My suggestions if it makes any sense to people in charge:
Either completely get rid of this system of badge and status progression so there wouldnt be any issue like this in future and it will be only a thanks from OP or nothing leading to no forum staus / badges etc.
or
Let the OP decide whats best for him and if undecided by OP let the moderator decide the best slution at the time when he concludes the thread.

Many thanks for your responses


Edit: Theres more unselection going on by new members or anyone as we our moderators speek. Looks like anyone these days if doesnt agree with OP can change OPs selection so REALY NO POINT of OP selecting a solution anymore. This is ridiculous realy.

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March 25, 2013 1:17:51 AM

It does seem really strange to me that anyone but the OP or Moderators have the option to select/deselect best answers under the new software. It really should be only OP and Mods with those options.
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March 25, 2013 1:20:09 AM

DiaSin said:
It does seem really strange to me that anyone but the OP or Moderators have the option to select/deselect best answers.


That is what I think too. I don't mind having an opinion, but the OP or Moderator should be the only one with the option to decide on what the "Best Answer" should be. One could go around and "Un-select" the best answer and have no consequences (not that I know of). It would sorta spoil the whole grading/points system that is here.
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March 25, 2013 1:21:51 AM

i'm totally on your side, i'm just joining the community (end of january in fact) and was completly confused with the new tom's and i've seen that, i was thinking ok, anybody can remove anyone best answer if they're frustrated or jealous ?!?!? i still don't understand why the option is there, maybe some older thread was answered by some ""incompetents"" as no one responded other than one guy that was a "newb" and his answer cause more trouble than it resolve !! I was watching that like you, and i'm still checking that, but as far as 1 week is done now (or about) my best thread are selected and no one deselected them, people seems to understand what's about, it's surely more about not legal answer or anything that's obviously is a troll...

I'm still kinda not sure about this but as far as i checked, it work fine, i expected anyone that would have trouble with unselected best answer would report something or at least see your post and answer and eventually Tom's OP will see it !! Anyway, good job on that, you're really helping the forum by doing that and making sure that no one's getting offended, muted by a (maybe) non sense option for a complete community...
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March 25, 2013 1:41:40 AM

spawnkiller said:
i'm totally on your side, i'm just joining the community (end of january in fact) and was completly confused with the new tom's and i've seen that, i was thinking ok, anybody can remove anyone best answer if they're frustrated or jealous ?!?!? i still don't understand why the option is there, maybe some older thread was answered by some ""incompetents"" as no one responded other than one guy that was a "newb" and his answer cause more trouble than it resolve !! I was watching that like you, and i'm still checking that, but as far as 1 week is done now (or about) my best thread are selected and no one deselected them, people seems to understand what's about, it's surely more about not legal answer or anything that's obviously is a troll...

I'm still kinda not sure about this but as far as i checked, it work fine, i expected anyone that would have trouble with unselected best answer would report something or at least see your post and answer and eventually Tom's OP will see it !! Anyway, good job on that, you're really helping the forum by doing that and making sure that no one's getting offended, muted by a (maybe) non sense option for a complete community...


What really urks me is that I could have 10+ posts on a subject and really helping a person out and out of left field someone posts once and they get the "Best Answer" selected. Then I re-read all of the other posts in the thread and realize that the one person didn't offer anything to the mix and just put in one post (and usually isn't that well thought out), but the OP decided it was the best option. I'm okay with that, but just seems a bit lopsided at times. I know I've put a lot of hours in on this site helping people out, when I can, just gets a bit frustrating at times. Sorry for the long rant :) 
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March 25, 2013 1:42:09 AM

I think too many people are too worried about forum badges and best answers, making them post
A) quickly, and often without reading
B) speculative or subjective information
C) repeatedly pushing people for "VOTE ME BEST ANSWER", either in posts or in signatures.

This can only serve to diminish the quality of responses.
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March 25, 2013 1:48:54 AM

Personally, I gave up trying to understand, and help others, when one of the most annoying serial spammers here got moderator status.
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March 25, 2013 1:53:29 AM

pauls3743 said:
Personally, I gave up trying to understand, and help others, when one of the most annoying serial spammers here got moderator status.


Who would that be?
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March 25, 2013 2:12:58 AM

i never really kept an eye on it or see where I can actually give or remove best answer in any thread. once in a while now i get a private message saying i go best answer for whatever.

i can understand putting so much into a resolve or getting it 100% correct ( solution ) would irk if somebody else could null the positive outcome.

me, I kind enjoy trying to think my way through things. each one is different and each one can be similar. and i like trying to involve myself in stuff i know little or nothing about.... good way to learn. but although it's rewarding to be recognized for endeavors i never over emphasized on a personal level needing to be picked best answer.
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March 25, 2013 2:14:35 AM

Well, I will be happy that I will be able to help some other out there even without any rewards in return. I am so thankful to those helped me from the past.
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March 25, 2013 2:18:55 AM

with the new UI, it does seems wrong with those "pick as solution" button....
this make me wonder what those button are intended for ?, maybe the Tom's could give some brief explanation here....

I'm agree it supposed just OP or Mod had those power,

anyways I'm also believer of "good karma". The good thing u done will come back to u in one form or another :D 


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March 25, 2013 2:20:39 AM

I guess if your main objective here is to gain accolades .... you're in it for the wrong reason - like giving a donation and making sure everybody knows you did. I do agree that OP & Mods should be only option to choose best answer.
-Bruce
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March 25, 2013 2:20:47 AM

tiang said:
Well, I will be happy that I will be able to help some other out there even without any rewards in return. I am so thankful to those helped me from the past.

That is why I'm here to help and to be helped out when I need it. I started out not knowing much and I've accumulated quite a bit of knowledge over time. I still don't consider myself an expert, but I do know enough to get into trouble though :) 
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March 25, 2013 2:41:30 AM

lunyone said:
pauls3743 said:
Personally, I gave up trying to understand, and help others, when one of the most annoying serial spammers here got moderator status.


Who would that be?


I'd rather not say, I've little doubt those that have been here long enough will already know who I'mtalking about. Ironically enough, either because they got bored or I visited less often I haven't seen that person active here for a while.
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March 25, 2013 2:50:27 AM

I help out where I can as well, and it's appreciated when someone gives you a best answer. But I feel some of the "best answers" are far from it, including some of mine. Should I have the right to pick and/or change who has the best answer when I'm not the OP? Of course not. I see the "best answer" as being a little thank you for helping the OP solve their problem. Not everyone is grateful and not everyone deserves to be helped, which is where the mods come in.
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March 25, 2013 4:24:20 AM

I didn't notice that everyone can select or deselect a best answer since I always get that option. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll check what's happening with the other moderators, admins and the community manager.

pauls3743 said:
Personally, I gave up trying to understand, and help others, when one of the most annoying serial spammers here got moderator status.

Not me right? I am sorry if I or any of the moderator posted anything that may appear to be spammer material.
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March 25, 2013 5:26:52 AM

Strictly speaking not all users can select the BA, only those with enough BAs of their own and who have participated in the thread. I do think that the number of required BAs is much too low, but it is configurable.

I can see the benefit to allowing "veteran" users to select BAs themselves but I think an improvement to this system would be to restrict this ability of users to select the BA depending both on the users permission level and whether or not a BA has already been picked. Therefore the following use cases should be successful:

1. A "veteran" user can select a BA in a thread which they have participated in only if none has already been selected.
2. The thread starter can select a BA if none has been selected or if it has been selected by a "veteran" user, but not a moderator (last requirement is not strictly essential because of #3).
3. Moderators are the final arbiters (although only where necessary) and can set or change the BA at any time.

Unfortunately I'd imagine that this would require non-trivial changes.
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March 25, 2013 6:24:31 AM

I would change that slightly to
1). A veteran (if you want to go down that line, but I would prefer you not to) can select/deselect a "suggested" best answer, but cannot change an actual best answer.
2). The thread starter can either promote the "suggested" best answer to "Best Answer" or pick one of their own.
3). The mods have the final say.


EDIT: I do have the option to select a best answer for a thread even though I have not yet participated in that thread.
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March 25, 2013 6:47:52 AM

randomizer said:
...Strictly speaking not all users can select the BA, only those with enough BAs of their own and who have participated in the thread. ....


well, thanks for clarifying it :D ...

Looks like i need to learn more about this new UI..
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March 25, 2013 6:48:18 AM

It really doesn't matter to me as I am not putting Tom's badges on my resume. It is silly to not just let the op have the option for best answer. I am here to help that is about it..
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March 25, 2013 7:26:49 AM

christop said:
It really doesn't matter to me as I am not putting Tom's badges on my resume. It is silly to not just let the op have the option for best answer. I am here to help that is about it..


agree, the OP knows what worked and what didn't but sometimes they screw up royally....... LOL
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March 25, 2013 7:46:25 AM

Currently, the threshold is 5 Best Answers accrued in order to be qualified to select Best Answers for other questions. We're looking at increasing that threshold to 20, most likely. This will reduce the number of Best Answers that are set incorrectly, while allowing the community to retain some control over what responses it believes are qualitative enough to warrant a Best Answer.
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March 25, 2013 8:01:40 AM

i never knew i had a say. not so sure i feel comfortable about either. every site has a few turds.
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March 25, 2013 1:10:07 PM

pauls3743 said:
I would change that slightly to
1). A veteran (if you want to go down that line, but I would prefer you not to) can select/deselect a "suggested" best answer, but cannot change an actual best answer.
2). The thread starter can either promote the "suggested" best answer to "Best Answer" or pick one of their own.
3). The mods have the final say.


EDIT: I do have the option to select a best answer for a thread even though I have not yet participated in that thread.


This would be ideal.
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March 25, 2013 3:05:53 PM

DiaSin said:
pauls3743 said:
I would change that slightly to
1). A veteran (if you want to go down that line, but I would prefer you not to) can select/deselect a "suggested" best answer, but cannot change an actual best answer.
2). The thread starter can either promote the "suggested" best answer to "Best Answer" or pick one of their own.
3). The mods have the final say.


EDIT: I do have the option to select a best answer for a thread even though I have not yet participated in that thread.


This would be ideal.


Hi :) 

The problem with your suggestion is number 3...

The Mods only have a limited amount of time to spend here, and settling what I suspect will be a LOT of BA disputes is really not practical....

I understand why the site has chosen to allow experienced users (like myself) to add/remove BA`s , although personally I do not think 20 BA`s is enough... I would prefer 50...

All the best Brett :) 
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March 25, 2013 4:45:08 PM

No, what number 3 means is "The mods have the right to select/change/overrule a best answer". It does not mean you have to approve what the thread starter picked.

The main problem comes from number 1, which is why I don't want it. At present someone other than the thread starter or a mod can pick or change a best answer, which is what kicked this thread off in the first place.
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March 25, 2013 4:57:01 PM

pauls3743 said:
No, what number 3 means is "The mods have the right to select/change/overrule a best answer". It does not mean you have to approve what the thread starter picked.

The main problem comes from number 1, which is why I don't want it. At present someone other than the thread starter or a mod can pick or change a best answer, which is what kicked this thread off in the first place.


Hi :) 

3 and 1 are linked...

IF you allow experienced users (like myself) to choose best answer (if none selected) or remove a best answer if its the WRONG answer, then it WILL save the Moderators a lot of work.... plus...if as an example, I choose a best answer in Laptops , then the thread is marked SOLVED, and it saves people like yourself who are trying to help people from bothering to read the thread, so you have more time for others... if I REMOVE a best answer (if its wrong) then others like yourself have the opportunity to give the CORRECT answer.... no ?

All the best Brett :) 
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March 25, 2013 5:29:51 PM

I think you're missing the point. I'm not arguing for the right to pick a best answer on behalf of yourself or a thread starter, it's actually to get it removed. With the upgrade of the forum software, nearly everyone, including myself, has the option to pick, change or remove a best answer because the management redefined what an experienced user was.

And, I like to read [SOLVED] threads. It's always nice to see someone get a satisfactory resolution. It's also nice to see what that resolution was as it might come in handy at some later date. Besides, there's nothing stopping us from adding to a [SOLVED] thread.
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March 25, 2013 6:42:26 PM

pauls3743 said:
I think you're missing the point. I'm not arguing for the right to pick a best answer on behalf of yourself or a thread starter, it's actually to get it removed. With the upgrade of the forum software, nearly everyone, including myself, has the option to pick, change or remove a best answer because the management redefined what an experienced user was.

And, I like to read [SOLVED] threads. It's always nice to see someone get a satisfactory resolution. It's also nice to see what that resolution was as it might come in handy at some later date. Besides, there's nothing stopping us from adding to a [SOLVED] thread.


Hi :) 

I see your point but its NOT everyone, at the moment its a 5 BA user but I think Joe is about to increase it to 20, personally as I said in another thread, I would prefer 50...

But its early days on this new Forum design so I would think various options will be altered as people make their opinions plain, and the site gets adjusted to suit...

All the best Brett :) 
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March 25, 2013 8:12:13 PM

Appreciate the lively discussion here, guys. :)  We are going to give it a shot a 20 Best Answers, and see how that susses out. If there's an issue, we can certainly address it.
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March 29, 2013 1:52:21 AM

jpishgar said:
Appreciate the lively discussion here, guys. :)  We are going to give it a shot a 20 Best Answers, and see how that susses out. If there's an issue, we can certainly address it.


I'm really not comfortable with anyone being able to change a best answer set by the Original Poster. The thread in essence belongs to the thread starter as far as I am concerned, Personally speaking I would be livid and take it as a flipping liberty if anyone, Moderator or not changed a best answer I selected on my own thread.

If we are going to start selecting answers based on subjective technical merit then personally I think that's just opening a can of worms and the Moderators will get flooded with extra work sorting it all out.

I would suggest as follows.
OP's selection is final
A thread can be given a best answer by Moderation or an eligible Veteran but only after say a week. Certainly I have seen many threads often go untouched over a weekend and I feel we need a high threshold here to allow for people going on holiday etc.
Eligible veteran well I think 20 is too low as well but we have to start somewhere and its better to try and keep more of the community involved if we can.

Mac :) 

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March 29, 2013 4:18:37 AM

I hear what you're saying mactronix - some people do not have your knowledge and may pick an answer that has bad/misinformation - that "bad Best Answer" should be changed.
-Bruce
p.s. mactronix - I doubt any Best Answer you give would be overturned.
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March 29, 2013 6:34:17 AM

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I would be livid and take it as a flipping liberty if anyone, Moderator or not changed a best answer I selected on my own thread.


You'd be surprised how many times Mods have to reverse a Best Answer made by an Original Poster. Take this thread for instance. The Best Answer selected may not conform, or even come to answer the original question as thoroughly as an answer that follows. Yet the BA has been assigned.
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March 29, 2013 9:40:23 AM

jpishgar said:
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I would be livid and take it as a flipping liberty if anyone, Moderator or not changed a best answer I selected on my own thread.


You'd be surprised how many times Mods have to reverse a Best Answer made by an Original Poster. Take this thread for instance. The Best Answer selected may not conform, or even come to answer the original question as thoroughly as an answer that follows. Yet the BA has been assigned.


Right there you have highlighted a good part of the potential problem. The OP has decided on a best answer, one that presumably satisfies them. I have lost count of the amount of times I have posted an answer in a thread and someone comes along and elaborates on the answer I have already given and then they get the best answer.
Its not that it really bothers me from a badges/best answer point of view, its just a little annoying is all.
If people and Moderation start coming along and changing the OP's best answers after the fact then you will end up with a potential for people to abuse this as well.

I would have thought its 100% up to the OP which answer deserves best answer right or wrong. That's where the subjectivity of selecting a different best answer could in my view cause issues.

Mac :) 
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March 29, 2013 9:43:10 AM

mactronix said:
jpishgar said:
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I would be livid and take it as a flipping liberty if anyone, Moderator or not changed a best answer I selected on my own thread.


You'd be surprised how many times Mods have to reverse a Best Answer made by an Original Poster. Take this thread for instance. The Best Answer selected may not conform, or even come to answer the original question as thoroughly as an answer that follows. Yet the BA has been assigned.


Right there you have highlighted a good part of the potential problem. The OP has decided on a best answer, one that presumably satisfies them. I have lost count of the amount of times I have posted an answer in a thread and someone comes along and elaborates on the answer I have already given and then they get the best answer.
Its not that it really bothers me from a badges/best answer point of view, its just a little annoying is all.
If people and Moderation start coming along and changing the OP's best answers after the fact then you will end up with a potential for people to abuse this as well.

I would have thought its 100% up to the OP which answer deserves best answer right or wrong. That's where the subjectivity of reelecting a different best answer could in my view cause issues.

Mac :) 


Hi Mac :) 

It may be to your benefit...

I have changed a few best answers in the situation you describe....

All the best Brett :) 
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March 29, 2013 9:57:36 AM

To me its not about right or wrong.The best answer will be the one that helped the OP the most. A lot of times the answer that helps most does digress from the subject heading and as such would appear to be, (if we insist on going along and checking people threads, marking threads like school work) incorrect and not relevant.

Usually this would be because the OP didn't know what the issue really was and has actually posted the wrong question.

To be honest I would have thought Moderation would have better things to with their time than check all threads for accuracy.

If the OPS happy that should be all that counts.

Mac :) 
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March 29, 2013 10:05:41 AM

mactronix said:
To me its not about right or wrong.The best answer will be the one that helped the OP the most. A lot of times the answer that helps most does digress from the subject heading and as such would appear to be, (if we insist on going along and checking people threads, marking threads like school work) incorrect and not relevant.

Usually this would be because the OP didn't know what the issue really was and has actually posted the wrong question.

To be honest I would have thought Moderation would have better things to with their time than check all threads for accuracy.

If the OPS happy that should be all that counts.

Mac :) 


Hi Mac :) 

I THINK the idea is to take work off the Mods plates and then people like you and me can add/remove/alter best answers instead....

As an example, the other day there was a thread in Laptops about someone dropping the lappy and he had a clicking noise afterwards and it wouldn't boot...

Someone said new hard drive time (which by the details was absolutely correct) the OP gave the BA to someone who said it was overheating and to blow out the fan...lol)

So I reversed the BA....to the correct answer...

Which I think is the intention of giving us those powers...

Having said that, sooner or later an OP is going to complain about us doing it, but I hope the Moderators will back us.... if not its pointless for us to do it...

All the best Brett :) 
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March 29, 2013 4:20:07 PM

Mactronix said 'To me its not about right or wrong.The best answer will be the one that helped the OP the most." What if the info the OP thought was good advice when in fact they may have been misled?
-Bruce
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March 29, 2013 4:30:42 PM

Just so everyone knows if a thread is solved and then closed the option t select to solution goes awaym so if you start a thread abd then select a best answer and want it to stay then you can alert a Mod to close the thread.
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March 29, 2013 4:33:41 PM

inzone said:
Just so everyone knows if a thread is solved and then closed the option t select to solution goes awaym so if you start a thread abd then select a best answer and want it to stay then you can alert a Mod to close the thread.


Hi :) 

Does that only apply to the OP or to the person who selected BA as well ?

All the best Brett :) 
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March 29, 2013 4:37:23 PM

Even the Mods. I would have to re-open the thread to see the solution button.
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March 29, 2013 5:21:23 PM

mactronix said:
The best answer will be the one that helped the OP the most.


I more or less agree with you, but often the BA gets set after the first response even if it really didn't help much at all. A later response ends up actually solving the problem. At least with the new system the OP can change the BA (previously they couldn't), but whether they will do it or not is another question.

Personally I won't change a BA unless I think it's absolutely necessary (such as if the OP selected a response that may be providing dangerous advice) for the reason you stated. However, I may set one if none has been set and the OP has clearly had their issue resolved. Most of the time I just don't touch it regardless of the situation though. I have other things to concern myself with than who gets what badge.

One other thing to remember about the BA is that while it is primarily to indicate what solve the OP's problem, it will often be the first advice that Google arrivals will try, and that is why it needs to at least be safe advice (or clearly stated that it's not safe), even if it's not completely correct.
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March 29, 2013 5:38:04 PM

I have not changed or selected a best answer because I still feel it's up to the OP to do it and it's his/her question to decide what solved their problem. If we have to do a forum cleanup and it involved setting best answers and closing threads then I will, but that's on old threads.
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March 29, 2013 5:40:57 PM

inzone said:
I have not changed or selected a best answer because I still feel it's up to the OP to do it and it's his/her question to decide what solved their problem. If we have to do a forum cleanup and it involved setting best answers and closing threads then I will, but that's on old threads.


Hi :) 

That option would not be there if it was NOT intended to be used ....

Moderators have enough on their plate anyway, but for people like myself, if I KNOW its the absolutely CORRECT and ONLY answer...I either select or change it....

Which I suspect is why its there as an option...no ?

All the best Brett :) 
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March 29, 2013 5:56:56 PM

Yes if it's there it's there for a reason and intended to be used however just like any new change needs refinement in order to be used in the way it was intended. The 5 best answers was not too low if people acted responsibly , but they didn't so now it will be raised and raised again if need be. The tags will be limited but will stay because they are tied to the badges and if the tags are abused then.. well...Teletubbies awaits. :ouch: 
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March 30, 2013 1:16:01 AM

I take the points about misleading and inaccurate to the point of being unsafe. I was just concerned that people would take it upon themselves to actively seek out and correct threads they thought were incorrect.
The comments from both inzone and randomizer go a long way to reassuring me that this will be kept on top of should it happen.

Thanks guys
Mac :) 
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March 30, 2013 8:53:15 AM

Well what will happen to the questions best solutions already been unselected ?
This is looking funny realy, so once i achieve 20 best answer I can go and unselect solutions?
Who are we to judge OPs selection?? LOL
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March 30, 2013 9:07:30 AM

Any chance that opening a thread gives you a close the thread option ? This would take a job away from the Mod's and ensure that the above does not happen.

Mac :) 
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March 30, 2013 9:31:11 AM

^ Agreed I think that when someone opens a thread to seek help or information that they should have the option to close the thread once they feel that they have obtained the help they sought. This would go a long way to smoothing things out since once the thread is closed the tags and solution is locked. It only makes sense that the person starting the thread should be able to close it, this way we have a way of knowing that the OP was monitoring the thread and that after a few weeks if it's still open then it can be considered abandoned.
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March 30, 2013 4:53:03 PM

mactronix said:
Any chance that opening a thread gives you a close the thread option ? This would take a job away from the Mod's and ensure that the above does not happen.

Mac :) 


Now that I would like to see . But if not closed by OP or within the few week time period one can still unselect best answers provided He got 20 in his bag ofcourse :lol: 
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