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Microsoft VP: We're Not Giving Up on Windows RT

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March 30, 2013 2:09:14 PM

The Black Knight in Monty Python & the Quest for the Holy Grail comes to mind.
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"Let's say you drop that PC in a pool. Well, you get a new one and then you just redownload [the apps]," he said. "That's the kind of model people are used to with a phone or tablet today. I can maintain all the apps in the [Microsoft] store and reset with a single switch."
So make it look like Windows on x86 but have it behave like Windows Phone. Why not just use Windows Phone on an ARM tablet?
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March 30, 2013 2:12:28 PM

Mr. MS VP, If you want to right this win 8 debacle and mess you put your self in, take a page out of Apples's book. Win RT for Phone and Tablets.
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March 30, 2013 2:13:57 PM

... and Win 8 Pro with a proper Desktop for the PC segment.
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March 30, 2013 3:21:33 PM

Time to give up on Microsoft then.
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March 30, 2013 3:43:01 PM

They don't need to give up on RT, they need to give up on Metro as a viable desktop interface. Hovering my mouse in corners to access more options is by far the most annoying thing in the world that Ill never get used to. Ignorant.
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March 30, 2013 3:49:42 PM

I take it no one here has actually owned or used an RT tablet

Id much rather a fully functional RT tablet then an Ipad or Android toy, i can actually use an RT tablet for proper work
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March 30, 2013 4:16:02 PM

What does RT stand for? I asked Bing but it came up with Ripe Turd?
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March 30, 2013 4:23:58 PM

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With legacy software, consumers are typically locked with one license to one device.


Like Office right? These is the only piece of non-OEM software I know of that had this type of arcane license.

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But Microsoft has dumped a lot of time and money into bringing Windows 8 onto ARM-based chips. There's simply no way in hell Microsoft is going to take the HP route and give up after months on the market.


Wouldn't be the first or last time Microsoft dumped an expensive product after heavily investing in it, which I don't think they spent as much as they're saying, they just ported the HAL and drivers. Think Flight, Bob, Windows Mobile, etc.
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March 30, 2013 4:28:26 PM

I think it's fine if that MS is trying to compete in the ARM market, but when there are already two well established product echosystems and you are introducing a third, you better make that new product amazing or cheap. RT is neither.
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March 30, 2013 5:04:01 PM

Microsoft needs to send Metro interface to trash of Computing History because it is one terrible interface.
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March 30, 2013 5:08:07 PM

Who cares, Windows RT and Metro are irrelevant. 97% of users have not upgraded to Windows 8 even after five months, Xmas shopping and huge upgrade discounts. All Windows tablets are commercial flops, as is Windows Phone.

Microsoft needs to listen to their customers - 97% of them are rejecting their new paradigm, and those that actually like Metro are an extreme minority, and they should be aware of that.
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March 30, 2013 5:09:24 PM

apache_livesI take it no one here has actually owned or used an RT tabletId much rather a fully functional RT tablet then an Ipad or Android toy, i can actually use an RT tablet for proper work


Good for you, but you are in the minority. Enjoy your niche device.
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March 30, 2013 5:32:36 PM

killerclickGood for you, but you are in the minority. Enjoy your niche device.


Agreed, I hate Apple but I'm typing this on an iPad because it WORKS >.
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March 30, 2013 5:58:13 PM

I remember seeing that Start button for the first time and thinking how clean an interface the new Windows 95 was in comparison to the old Windows 3.1. Now, I'm looking at how messy Windows RT/8 is and I can't help but to think it's a "polished" looking version of Windows 3.1 Having that Start button there was nice, because you didn't immediately see everything installed. Windows 3.1/Windows RT/8 basically look like your computer barfed up everything that's in it when you boot it up. No one likes the look of barf.
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March 30, 2013 7:34:25 PM

barf ...??
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March 30, 2013 8:22:09 PM

*SIGH*
Dear, Microsoft

I. FUCKING. HATE. WINDOWS. RT.
Stop. Give me the real thing and just fucking fix it.
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March 30, 2013 10:10:14 PM

Microsoft is in need of some serious restructuring! Firing the responsible people for Windows ME, Vista, and Win8 should be the first step.
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March 31, 2013 1:57:12 AM

I'll give up MS if ubuntu or mac play crysis dota2 etc
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March 31, 2013 3:41:27 AM

I have 4 xp keys and of course several current win7 lic. For which to get in8 for $40. Hell, even t preview version = $40 legit "upgrade". I installed win 8 preview on my notebook, it now only runs LinuxMint. I did not waste $40 to buy something I wouldnt install for free on computers.
Since the release of win8, I've built only win7 64 bit on everything.

There really isn't much an RT can do over an iPad or android device. My phone is android 4.2x and i Typed this whoe response from my iPad.
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March 31, 2013 6:03:08 AM

apache_livesI take it no one here has actually owned or used an RT tabletId much rather a fully functional RT tablet then an Ipad or Android toy, i can actually use an RT tablet for proper work

killerclickGood for you, but you are in the minority. Enjoy your niche device.


Well, that IS the only problem with Windows RT (and pro). Its new, so people dont understand it and they dont wanna try to. Like people are with most changes (Facebook knows thes). All the new Windows products are great, but they just lack the user base, nothing more.
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March 31, 2013 11:06:09 AM

I think the bigger issue with Windows RT is that its separate from Windows Phone. It really does not make sense to have 3 distinct OS. There are obviously cosmetic differences between a tablet and a phone, but there should be no reason to limit development resources.
I think the other problem with Windows RT is that its more of a toy than a tool. Since there are Windows 8 tablets, there is no reason to redevelop software for Windows RT despite the products being significantly cheaper. Windows first made itself out as a tool that was easier to learn for office workers than what was out at the time. If all you could do was game on Windows originally, it probably would not have been so successful.
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March 31, 2013 12:11:09 PM

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As for running legacy software on the ARM-based Windows RT, he suggests that consumers need to rethink about their software library in the long run.

Let me paraphrase this:
"You're too stupid to know what software you need to run."
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March 31, 2013 12:42:45 PM

Look back in 1992-1996: Microsoft had Windows-NT (the origin of W2000, XP, Vista, 7, 2003, 2008, and now W8 + 2012...) running on MIPS, PowerPC, Alpha and x86. Once Intel fixed their raw performance issue MS stopped all versions except x86.
Guess what: Intel is fighting hard day and night to fix their x86 energy efficiency issue... What Will happen when a 2~5 Watts dual-core x86 will be available --> bye-bye ARM support --> don't buy RT !
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March 31, 2013 12:49:39 PM

It was not that much work, and it's a steaming pile of poop. I'd be ashamed to have my companys name attached to it.
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March 31, 2013 4:01:44 PM

Microsoft needs to open up the Desktop portion of Windows RT so developers can make ARM versions of Desktop applications without people having to jailbreak to make them work...
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March 31, 2013 9:55:32 PM

nikolajjWell, that IS the only problem with Windows RT (and pro). Its new, so people dont understand it and they dont wanna try to. Like people are with most changes (Facebook knows thes). All the new Windows products are great, but they just lack the user base, nothing more.


Remember when XP was new... the sky was falling back then. Now the kids have grown up, or have they?
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March 31, 2013 10:05:04 PM

Just for the record. I have iPad1-3, Nexus 7 and RT. RT beats iPad and Nexus in productivity. It all comes down to what you expect of your machine. Ok, Office RT is not a full fat Office suite, but it does a good job for me and, I suspect, most people out there.
I have upgraded my machines I mostly use to Windows 8 since its launch (having tried Pre-release). For desktop, if you learn the short cut keys and set the desktop properly, it is very usable. I don't think I am missing Windows 7.
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March 31, 2013 11:13:37 PM

I liked win xp and I don't care for win vista or 8 when you have more clicks and more moves to do the same command as win 7 or xp why bother but I do own win 8 why a 42 dollar purchase how many times I log into it????? maybe 1 time a month for updates running dual systems 7 and 8 side by side why do I choose 7 because it works that's it yes win 8 does too with more strokes of the keyboard or mouse even using add on apps to bring it back to the like windows os. So the big questions is even with RT is it better enough to entice people to move away from what there use to I have been around since the dos days pre win 3.1,Yep played with Linux and all the os since then like many of you folks here it does remind me in a small way of win 3.1 just cleaned up with the tiles just my thoughts but if I have to work hard to get from point a to point b whats the point in owning a rt or win 8 version? Just my 2 cents worth you can smash bash burn my house done after this statement but I had to say what is on my mind folks.
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April 1, 2013 5:42:23 AM

bennie101I liked ... my mind folks.

[Shift] and [.] One key is on the lower left, the other is on the lower right. Try them, then get back to us.
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April 1, 2013 5:53:47 AM

JackFrost860What does RT stand for? I asked Bing but it came up with Ripe Turd?


Really Terrible?
Rank Technology?
Ridiculous Tiles?
Revolting Theory?
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April 1, 2013 5:55:33 AM

apache_livesI take it no one here has actually owned or used an RT tabletId much rather a fully functional RT tablet then an Ipad or Android toy, i can actually use an RT tablet for proper work


You do that. And when its time to power down, put it on the desk next to your LISA.
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April 1, 2013 7:14:51 AM

Sounds like executives with head in the sand or in the clouds, oblivious to what the consumer is asking for. It is like the tablet and smart phone revolution, those generally succeeded by a major industry push, reasonable ease of use and subsidizing on the phone side. The larger screens were easier to see and the smart parts made life a little more interesting, so most people didn't complain. The formula was reasonably cheap choices and easy to use. Come MS and expecting it has enough pull to make consumers "rethink" their choices. They provide devices that are neither cheap and more difficult to use from the desktop Windows 8 standpoint. How is this a going to succeed?
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April 1, 2013 7:29:04 AM

Only fools count sunk costs. Microsoft should either commit to RT fully and burn the ships (no legacy desktop, no legacy office, replace WP8) or let it die. Even WP8 is doing better, with more users and better dev support and better first party apps.

There are bookstores that have sold more tablets.

They should 'double down' on updating their legacy desktop and Office suite. It's been too long without full rewrites. There are too many options now that are newer and better suited to the current cloud and social era.
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April 1, 2013 8:18:09 AM

Microsoft is showing how all their talk of innovation over the years was a lie. They bought, borrow, and blatantly ripped off their way to success. Now, they're trying to innovate again (remember Bob?) and it just shows how untalented they are. Ballmer is a freakin' idiot that needs to be shot.
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April 1, 2013 2:51:53 PM

You don't just give up on a $1.5 Billion advertising investment.
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April 2, 2013 3:23:33 AM

RT = Real Turd
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April 2, 2013 3:29:46 AM

Reality: most people DO NOT spend $600+ for Microsoft powered hardware.

This includes the notebooks, the intel-Ultrabooks (lame) and of course the $900~1500 slate/tablets.
The ARM tablets don't do what is needed and is a bait & switch... the ATOM tablets are much cleaper at the $600~700 price range... but is TOO slower for a power user and still to expensive for what makes iPad and Android tablets at $250~500 do very well.

Microsoft is a about to go... extinct.
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April 3, 2013 8:40:28 AM

It takes time to adjust to the changes on windows on the user's side and the purchase of Dell needs to be factored into account as well. many computer manufacturers do not like to see a competitor in Microsoft.
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