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Dell XPS One 27: Can An All-In-One Make Us Love Windows 8?

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April 8, 2013 9:00:06 PM

Windows 8 is unquestionably intended to create consistency between consoles, tablets, phones, and the PC. But the desktop world is still largely without touch input. Can Dell's XPS One 27 make the Windows 8 experience better with a gorgeous touchscreen?

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April 8, 2013 9:39:02 PM

A very important and crucial point: Touch screens are doomed to fail as users will find out soon that their arm, wrist and hand will get tired and sore soon as they keep extending their arms to use this pain producing gadget.
Who ever invented the desktop touch monitor should be shot.
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April 8, 2013 9:50:18 PM

JohnUSAA very important and crucial point: Touch screens are doomed to fail as users will find out soon that their arm, wrist and hand will get tired and sore soon as they keep extending their arms to use this pain producing gadget.Who ever invented the desktop touch monitor should be shot.


There's probably some use for a touchscreen-desktop monitor productivity-wise.

But as a Windows 8 saviour? Hell no!
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April 8, 2013 10:08:55 PM

The alternate review is a great Value-addition to this article.
Its important to get a informal, subjective review from a general user. Numbers are very important, but they dont tell the complete picture.

+1 for more "Average Joe" impressions in gadget reviews.
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April 8, 2013 10:24:09 PM

Touchscreens on desktops will never go mainstream. It's just a fad they're trying to push, like 3D was a few years back. People don't like to have to sit close to screens and use their arms to control them - that's why TVs have remotes. Touchscreens on desktops solve nothing and improve nothing. Sure it's more intuitive to touch something than point and click, but anyone who can't figure out pointing and clicking won't get much out of using a computer anyway.
Touchscreens on laptops might suck less as a concept, but laptop screens suck by design because they're so small.
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April 8, 2013 10:31:41 PM

JohnUSAA very important and crucial point: Touch screens are doomed to fail as users will find out soon that their arm, wrist and hand will get tired and sore soon as they keep extending their arms to use this pain producing gadget.Who ever invented the desktop touch monitor should be shot.

I find these all-in-one touch screens helpful for kiosks, data centers, production, (kitchen - maybe :p ), POS, as a replacement for other tools such as keyboards and mouse - simply for convenience. But yes, not a tool to be used for 8hours work in-front of a computer. And if you would have this for those application I mentioned, this is too damn expensive and ludicrous!
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April 8, 2013 11:14:23 PM

Quick answer, no.

Touchscreen has no place on a desktop, unless you have Felix Unger with plastic gloves touching it. It's messy, and it's hard not to feel like a retard while using it.

This is a solution in search of a problem. I haven't heard too many complaints on the keyboard/mouse interface. I have heard plenty of complaints about Windows 8.
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April 8, 2013 11:47:09 PM

Every time Tom's (or any other site for that matter) posts anything about Windows 8 or touch-screen PC's you always, ALWAYS, get people who instantly denounce such products almost as if they are "of the devil himself". As a power user, or anyone who actually comes to Tom's to read "tech-y" articles - Yes, Windows 8 is probably not for you. That's fine and dandy. But I get so tired of people just instantly proclaiming Windows 8 a failure because of the changes that Microsoft has made to it. While no, it does not have a start button, anyone who has used it for more than a day can tell you that it doesn't really matter. I tap the Windows key and start typing what I want and Windows finds it for me. The start screen gives me a quick overview of important applications without having to actually OPEN the application to find the information. I love my ASUS Vivo Tablet (Windows RT), and I find myself using that more often than my laptop or desktop when I just want to look something up or read and respond to an email.

Case in point: I set my girlfriend up with what I thought was a really nice setup. A touch screen AIO in her spare room. It had (read: HAD) Windows 7 on it. She was constantly complaining about how she hated it when it either did not register her touches or the limited gestures that I so painfully set up. She went months without even turning the damn thing on. She complained that she couldn't do anything with it because it was just too hard to get a simple task done.
Windows 8 comes out last October and I figure I'd give it a shot and if she still didn't like it, I'd have an extra computer in my man cave for something. I can't keep her off the thing. She absolutely loves it. She loves the live tiles, how it recognizes her gestures, how easy it is to navigate. I could go on...
What I wish people would realize is that Windows 8, while it will probably not be as widely accepted as our beloved Windows 7, it is still a pretty solid step forward. If you are a power user (myself included) you will probably never install W8 on your desktop or even your laptop. But it is a fantastic piece of software that can change how people use computers.
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April 9, 2013 12:15:03 AM

On the file compression page the graphs show winRAR being faster than 7zip yet the article says 7zip is faster. Were the graphs reversed?
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April 9, 2013 1:12:37 AM

instead of touch, bundle with Kinect motion control = so much win.
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April 9, 2013 1:39:41 AM

It looks like a PC version of an iMac to me.
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April 9, 2013 1:55:41 AM

How ***** think: "There's a touch screen so it MUST be the ONLY interface which I must therefore use CONSTANTLY for everything. My keyboard and mouse will, for some inexplicable reason, become useless, and my arms will get tired from so much reaching.

How normal people think: Cool, a touch screen. Now I have more options. Perhaps one day I'll find an application in which being able to manipulate up to 10 different points simultaneously will be much more practical and time-saving than editing coordinates one at a time.

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April 9, 2013 1:56:46 AM

Wow for $2600 and change you could build a top of the line computer and buy a 27" IPS Dell screen - they frequently go on sale for around $500 - $550. That computer would be somewhere around five times faster than this Dell touch screen and it would have first-class components.

Really there is no comparison. Windows 8 and a touch screen are not worth the trade off. Building a high-end system that blows the Dell away is by far the superior choice.
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April 9, 2013 1:59:06 AM

Dell XPS One 27: Can An All-In-One Make Us Love Windows 8? NO!!!
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April 9, 2013 2:00:45 AM

We see the future of desktops in movies like Iron Man where there will be a touch interface. However, what we do not see in Iron Man is the input system of these computers which for now will still require a keyboard and mouse. I am neglecting to include "Jarvis" on purpose because I think that personal computers with AI are still a ways away for now.
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April 9, 2013 2:25:20 AM


And then there's the mess one's fingers will make on a touch screen. I can't see desktop users
being happy with ever-present finger prints, etc. When I get off a bus, I see people sitting using
their smart phones; my first thought is, how can they live with such a filthy screen?? Some of
them look as though they've been dipped in a sewer...

Ian.

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April 9, 2013 2:34:22 AM

No Displayport or Thunderbolt, no Intel Gigabit ethernet, one 2.5" drive, no digitiser with a pen, less-than-stellar stand and a TN panel? Sorry Dell, you've lost the plot. Try again.
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April 9, 2013 2:50:47 AM

OK, Macs are overpriced and stuff.
But why on earth would I pay MORE for a PC when there's a widely supported Unix for LESS?
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April 9, 2013 2:54:14 AM

virgultOK, Macs are overpriced and stuff.But why on earth would I pay MORE for a PC when there's a widely supported Unix for LESS?


Sorry, I didn't notice the screen was 27". Ok, this puts everything back into perspective again. No flame intended.
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April 9, 2013 3:02:23 AM

thinslicedbreadBut I get so tired of people just instantly proclaiming Windows 8 a failure because of the changes that Microsoft has made to it.


No, we predicted it would be a failure because of the changes Microsoft made to it.

We're proclaiming it a failure because it has a 30% slower adoption rate than Vista had, despite being released just before the Xmas shopping season.

Fans of Windows 8 and Metro need to recognize they're the minority. More than 96% of PC users are not using Windows 8, and the reason is not steep hardware requirements, or bugs, or the unavailability of drivers, but the stupid touch centric interface that most users don't want anywhere near their PCs - hence the 3.3% market share for Windows 8.
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April 9, 2013 3:34:08 AM

clifftamIt looks like a PC version of an iMac to me.

Maybe, if so it's way uglier and packed with a crap OS too.
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April 9, 2013 4:27:14 AM

Replaceable CPU? and what in the world would you replace a 65W 3rd gen i7 with... 4th gen wont work, and PSU wont support a proper 85W CPU.

Impressive specs, but a full 85W i7-3770 CPU would have been better and cost them a few dollars.

Quad HD display will also burn through that GT640. GT650 or AMD 8850 would have been better for this price, and not cost them much extra money. That and an 85W 4th gen i7 CPU and you have something really special.
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April 9, 2013 4:37:42 AM

Its great to see someone finally trying to make the whole desktop windows 8 concept work with a decent looking all-in-one touch screen (and with decent resolution). Imacs now look like an old-fashioned glass tube tvs from the back and have compromised functionality for aesthetics (c'mon, power button on the back, no side or front usb ports!). But even they aren't don't have touch screens, and he whole Mac OS looks so dated now (because it is).

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April 9, 2013 5:44:00 AM

Quote:
Windows 8 represents Microsoft’s first earnest effort to bring mobile users back to the desktop (Ed.: Or is it the other way around?), where they can find huge quantities of local storage and vast computing resources to be more productive, create content, and game in a truly enveloping environment.

Huh? Had it not been for the ed i would have thought i'm not reading properly...
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April 9, 2013 6:19:12 AM

27" 1080p, touch it till your arm falls off - what's not to love?
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April 9, 2013 6:27:52 AM

Yeah... Holding up and moving your hand across a 27" display is more PRODUCTIVE than moving a mouse 3-4 inches. Yes, there is a place for large touch screens... We've had them for years at kiosks. But for a desktop computer? No. What gamer or professional wants fingerprints on their screens? I wipe dust off my desktop every 2-3 months, no finger prints... Maybe some spots from sneezes.

And because it's touch... It also means you have a giant 27" glossy glass display.

Win8 fails for trying to fix a problem that wasn't there. Wow, "nobody is using the start menu" SO LET'S make it suck up the whole damn SCREEN... And make even. Calculator suck up entire 27 " display!

Microsoft, we are cool.
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April 9, 2013 6:39:13 AM

Almost perfect.... well, should have been a few hundred cheaper and come with at least a GTX 675M.
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April 9, 2013 7:23:27 AM

I picture a touch display on my desk not standing vertical where my arm would get tired, but standing at about 30 degrees laying on top of my desk (like a giant tablet), but below my main monitor non-touch monitor. Similiar to the way industrial control consoles have used touch screens for years.
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April 9, 2013 7:36:16 AM

Well it shows how bad your average mid range mobile gpu is (640m-660m--660m is about 50% faster at 950 mhz) compared to desktop gpu's. But it really shows that mobile cpus can easily equal a desktop cpu (i5).

I think you should have put a laptop with an i7 and a 650m/660m in there somewhere.
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April 9, 2013 7:55:29 AM

Ok what am I missing here. The 1000 dollar build and 800$ build have the same cpu and gpu, yet some of the benchmarks show that the 1000$ system is far better at some tasks while the 800$ system is far better at one other. What's the deal? THey have the SAME CPU and GPU?

Also, how in the world does the 1000$ CPU idle at 5c, while the 800$ CPU idle at 33c? What am I missing here?

I'm disappointed to say the least, that Tom's didn't even tell us why these things are they way they are.

Can someone explain this to me? I mean the 1000$ machines 3570k beats the 800$ machines 3570k by a whole minute in one test. And when your talking about a 4 minute test, that's 25%. You think RAM will make that much difference? Maybe the SSD has something to do with it but that seemed like a CPU test.

And how in the world do you explain away those temps?
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April 9, 2013 8:04:26 AM

And Dell wonders why sales are off. 27" touch screen monitor running 1080p that can't run games well at 1080p. No gamer in their right mind would want either a touchscreen or 20 fps.
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April 9, 2013 8:10:51 AM

I read something before how Apple tested the idea of making iMacs & laptops with touch screens and they found that it was more difficult to keep switching from keyboard & mouse to 'click' something and for the desktops, the screen usually sits close to a full extension of your arm and it gets very tiring to use for a long period of time. -- I'm pretty sure Apple would have offered touch screen by now on their macs if they thought it was a really good idea. -- especially since it is a good way to add more $$ to their machine.
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April 9, 2013 8:17:31 AM

Windows 8 is hated and a big failure as stupid Microsoft should have designed 2 completely separate versions, one for the millions of current users who use keyboard and mouse, the second for new touch screens. By being lazy, stupid and stubborn and not listening to their users, Microsoft angered and alienated many Windows users. Microsoft is heading to bankruptcy if it does not correct their abysmal policy and fix their horrible Windows 8.
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April 9, 2013 8:27:07 AM

Let me also say that I cannot stand Windows 8. If your a chick and you like twitter, and facebook, and all of these little cute apps, then yes, Windows 8 is a success. But how many of these users are going to want a 2600$ desktop? Much less a 1600$ one.

And this Windows 8 BS is being crammed down our throats every time we buy a new laptop, desktop, or all-in-one. We should be able to choose which OS we get. I had the option when I built my PC. I chose Windows 7. When I bought an all in one for my secretary's, it had Windows 8. And I can't even figure out how to search for a freaking file. Much less set my page file, or turn on a file back up. And I haven't even gone on that computer since because it's so frustrating. I absolutely hate it. And she does too, and is begging me for Windows 7. BOTH of my female secretary's are begging me for Windows 7 on their 2 all in ones. But because I'll have to reinstall all the drivers for their hardware and all the software and since they have touch screens I told them they were going to have to figure it out.

And also, who's going to buy a freaking 2600$ PC, with a GT640 in it, an HDD for the OS, and so-dim RAM? I can see the sodimm RAM for space. But really? a GT640? Even my 900$ laptop has a GT650m, which scores 500 more points in 3DMark11, at 2550P, which is a lot better. They could at least afford a GTX660m. It should have a 675m at least. And the least they could do is put a 512GB SSD in there for the 2600$ they want for this thing. Or at least have a 64GB for OS and 1TB for data. I like the processor choice though, and the screen seems awesome. People buy these things for the looks. And it is hard to find a high performance all in one. I paid a lot for my secretary's and they only have dual core AMD's in them.

But if you get only the 1600$ version your stuck with 6GB RAM and Intel HD4000 graphics and no SSD. I don't mind the 3330 i5 as it's like a 3570k. So for a whole 1000$ more you get a 75$ GT640, 60$ of 10GB more sodimm RAM, a 50$ 32GB SSD, and a 100$ more processor? For a total of around 300$? Boy it costs a lot to get the top model.

I notice this with HP too. If you want to upgrade from say a 120GB SSD to a 240GB, it'll cost you 300$. Or if you wanna go from a 3570k to a 3770k, it'll cost you 250$ when the price difference is only 100$. Or especially if you wanna go from 8GB RAM to 16GB RAM, most of the time the cost is near 300$ for 8GB of freaking RAM. Apple is terrible with this too. This is why I love the fact I can build my own PC, and this is why custom built desktops will ALWAYS have a place until something just as high performing AND cost effective is in the equation. And they, people will still want their own built, because it's their own.
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April 9, 2013 10:14:55 AM

if you have a pile of $$$ to spend I suppose this works. so how's your arm muscles? imagine 4 touchscreens... that's gonna be a lotta "fun" getting anything worthwhile done. what a joke! and what's with this blu-ray crap? those blanks are EXPENSIVE. quite frankly I don't see win8 cutting it anywhere (go with ubunu unity instead... lot cheaper! linux absolutely blows it away. hell it blows win7 away so how is this piece a crap gonna compete? not gonna happen as john q is too brain dead to deal with yet another learning curve OS. yep tabs are a great invention for the masses (users, not creators). its all they need but guess what? how many of these tabs actually run win8? right.. they're running linux.
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April 9, 2013 10:31:39 AM

Well all I can say is the last thing I want on my monitor is fingerprints all over the place when watching something.
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April 9, 2013 10:56:20 AM

on a desktop I think it would be useful for editing, especially when software takes it more into account. Also as we move towards 3+ monitors i could really see the benefit of having a touch screen. what if we ran a small 4th screen that just had files and folders, a quick touch would be better than using a mouse.

also in laptops the touchscreen is a godsend, so much better than any touchpad/ thumbstick/ mouse replacement.
pinch to zoom is very useful in almost any setting
I also would like to have a screen around 12-18 inches that i could walk around the house with and not need a mouse or keyboard to use and also have it be an extension of my desktop.
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April 9, 2013 11:06:15 AM

NO
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April 9, 2013 11:58:21 AM

I bought an Inspiron One 2320 last year, the whole touch novelty factor wore off after a few hours. Now only the kids use it, if I use it I don't use it as a PC, I use it as another monitor.
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April 9, 2013 12:15:06 PM

If they'd put a proper graphics subsystem into the thing then I'd have been interested. I like the iMac esthetic but want a true 'all in one' as in a machine that is capable at all the tasks I use my desktop at home for (gaming being an important one).
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April 9, 2013 12:25:01 PM

don't know your expertise level of course but if you're capable of downloading & burning an ISO you could create a live CD/USB stick of say, kubuntu (uses KDE GUI as default). one advantage here is that you don't need win8. however you don't get win7 either unless you have the install CD (not likely there). there's also the UEFI boot issue to probably deal with (but Canonical has figured that out) if you're thinking of dual booting win7-ubuntu/kubuntu. the issue here though is this: do YOU have a clue regarding what I'm talking about? if no then you may have to live with what "they" have to offer (win8). OR you can also check system76.com (as they sell ONLY ubuntu boxes preloaded). another company that only sells ubuntu is zareason.com. although linux has thousands of apps to choose from its still a windoze world regarding default john q. therefore up to now devs target that platform for two reasons 1) closed source 2) most popular by far. that may be changing though as devs are beginning to abandon win8... at least for the desktop. unfortunately there's still a few key apps that I run under win7 (which requires a dual boot scenario) simply because they don't run under wine (linux's emulator like app that runs windoze apps under it). hope this helps.
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April 9, 2013 12:33:45 PM

ericjohn004Let me also say that I cannot stand Windows 8. When I bought an all in one for my secretary's, it had Windows 8. And I can't even figure out how to search for a freaking file. Much less set my page file, or turn on a file back up. And I haven't even gone on that computer since because it's so frustrating. I absolutely hate it. And she does too, and is begging me for Windows 7. BOTH of my female secretary's are begging me for Windows 7 on their 2 all in ones.
Okay... that is your fault. Take the AIOs back to the store, tell them why.
Then go order some desktops from Lenovo's Desktop line with Windows7.

http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/desktop/thinkcentre/ = AiO starting at $880 with 24" display. I3~I7 CPUs, 4~16GB of RAM, Windows 7 is default... WIn8Pro is optional.

They will sell you desktop tower at about $680, optional Win7 CD restore disk $0, I3~I7, etc.

So yes... there are ways to get NON Win8 computers.
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April 9, 2013 12:37:20 PM

OT: The new blog software used on the latest "Computer history" slide show... is HORRIBLE! It looks great. WOrks like crap.
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April 9, 2013 1:12:00 PM

I'd rather have a set up with something like Leap Motion for W8. I clean my phone's screen so often it starting to look like a nervous tick.

https://www.leapmotion.com/
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April 9, 2013 2:28:40 PM

I can't wait for all this desktop-mobile convergence nonsense to blow over. Then at least we could have a decent version of Windows.
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April 9, 2013 2:51:24 PM

JohnUSAA very important and crucial point: Touch screens are doomed to fail as users will find out soon that their arm, wrist and hand will get tired and sore soon as they keep extending their arms to use this pain producing gadget.Who ever invented the desktop touch monitor should be shot.

Don't forget to mention having to clean your screen every 5 days.
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April 9, 2013 3:18:34 PM

Cataclysm_ZANo Displayport or Thunderbolt, no Intel Gigabit ethernet, one 2.5" drive, no digitiser with a pen, less-than-stellar stand and a TN panel? Sorry Dell, you've lost the plot. Try again.

3.5". I can't believe nobody caught that yet.
ericjohn004Ok what am I missing here. The 1000 dollar build and 800$ build have the same cpu and gpu, yet some of the benchmarks show that the 1000$ system is far better at some tasks while the 800$ system is far better at one other. What's the deal? THey have the SAME CPU and GPU?Also, how in the world does the 1000$ CPU idle at 5c, while the 800$ CPU idle at 33c? What am I missing here?I'm disappointed to say the least, that Tom's didn't even tell us why these things are they way they are.Can someone explain this to me? I mean the 1000$ machines 3570k beats the 800$ machines 3570k by a whole minute in one test. And when your talking about a 4 minute test, that's 25%. You think RAM will make that much difference? Maybe the SSD has something to do with it but that seemed like a CPU test. And how in the world do you explain away those temps?
Most of your questions could be answered by reading the most recent Tom's Hardware System Builder Marathon :) 
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April 9, 2013 8:25:36 PM

Better Kinect than touch screen and use like in Minority Report
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April 9, 2013 8:32:36 PM

I would answer by quoting the Grumpy Cat: No!
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April 9, 2013 8:54:50 PM

JohnUSAA very important and crucial point: Touch screens are doomed to fail as users will find out soon that their arm, wrist and hand will get tired and sore soon as they keep extending their arms to use this pain producing gadget.Who ever invented the desktop touch monitor should be shot.


sorry . I like touch screens ... and consider it an OPTION .. dont touch it if you dont like it.

besides , I use windows 8 and like it more than any other MS OS .

people are just too lazy to learn how to use Windows 8 , they want to stick with the old ways ...

now go shot yourself.

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