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a c 912 à CPUs
April 14, 2013 4:41:22 PM

I have noticed several threads with tags like this one http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1652282/intel-35...
My question is who's job is to assign tags since badges are now based on tags? Does Intel I5 count towards CPU badge? And really if that had correctly assigned badges it would be overclocking, CPU's and possibly motherboard.
Is there a way for the system to assign them manually based on keywords? I just assigned tags to a couple of other peoples threads but really there are many possibilities and some that will not go towards any badge to my knowledge (maybe the options that popup should be simplified or just selected from a list). I have as well noticed threads where people have gone overboard on assigning badges.

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April 14, 2013 10:55:36 PM

You can, mods can, original posters can. The system does attempt to assign them automatically, and we're hoping to refine this over time. Note - you can earn badges by assigning tags. ;) 
a c 912 à CPUs
April 15, 2013 4:24:28 AM

Well apparently the auto system is broken. The other question is tag like Cooler Master does that give any connection to badges?
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April 15, 2013 6:50:15 AM

I don't believe we have a Cooler Master tag.
a c 912 à CPUs
April 15, 2013 8:56:02 AM

Check the tag that I added here! Basically what I was on about.
April 16, 2013 3:49:38 AM

jpishgar said:
I don't believe we have a Cooler Master tag.

He's right!
April 16, 2013 6:41:39 AM

Ah, so we do! A brand tag, no less. Must have missed that one. To answer your question, Cooler Master is currently not associated with any badges.
April 16, 2013 10:53:53 AM

AMD and Nvidia both do have tags, and badges associated with them. Waiting on the Intel badge icons before I add those, too. Do you think Cooler Master should as well? I'm open to suggestion in terms of badges the community thinks it should have. :) 
a c 912 à CPUs
April 16, 2013 11:44:46 AM

So AMD badge is both for CPU's and GPU's? Which I would have thought already had badges and therefore I am starting to think if anything we are too badge happy and just should stick with the forum categories. Badges for the manufacturer of computer component, whether minor or major, does not make any sense to me.
a b à CPUs
April 16, 2013 12:34:32 PM

rolli59 said:
So AMD badge is both for CPU's and GPU's? Which I would have thought already had badges and therefore I am starting to think if anything we are too badge happy and just should stick with the forum categories. Badges for the manufacturer of computer component, whether minor or major, does not make any sense to me.


I fully agree with this, forum categories with matching tags is all we need.

Mac :) 
April 16, 2013 1:38:28 PM

All badges are based on tags - that's the way we do 'em. So in this instance, yes, AMD would indicate both AMD CPUs and AMD GPUs.
a b à CPUs
April 16, 2013 2:03:34 PM

jpishgar said:
All badges are based on tags - that's the way we do 'em. So in this instance, yes, AMD would indicate both AMD CPUs and AMD GPUs.


I appreciate that but why does it matter if its an AMD CPU or GPU ? If you follow the logic of specifically assigning Tags to each and every part based on manufacturer to the logical conclusion then (assuming we have the tags for the following)Cooler master need Tags for Cases/CPU coolers/Case fans/Power supplies and more.

As the badges are meant to reflect a persons competence in a given field I see little value in dividing up a section into sub sections within forum subsections. For the intent of this exercise a GPU is a GPU is a GPU same with CPU's etc.
Its just giving the forum unneeded complexity that from what I can see actually means and achieves nothing.

You answer a question about a GPU you get a GPU Tag assigned to it and should you get a BA that goes towards A GPU Badge.

Mac :) 
a c 912 à CPUs
April 16, 2013 6:43:58 PM

Look at that we might be able to get an MSI badge as well, motherboards, laptops, GPU´s and who knows what, I actually have a MSI WiFi card. This system is wrong!
April 16, 2013 9:50:18 PM

How would you do it? On a per-product basis? When users generally talk AMD, they talk CPUs rather than GPUs. When they talk Cooler Master, typically they are within a set of product types, for the most part. Making it over-granular may end up reducing the effectiveness of tags as content filters, too, note.
a b à CPUs
April 17, 2013 2:03:24 AM

jpishgar said:
How would you do it? On a per-product basis? When users generally talk AMD, they talk CPUs rather than GPUs. When they talk Cooler Master, typically they are within a set of product types, for the most part. Making it over-granular may end up reducing the effectiveness of tags as content filters, too, note.


It is very very rare for a discussion or question that starts "Whats the best AMD CPU for my budget" to not include a discussion concerning the merits of the Intel options available. While you could say that the OP has asked about AMD so why discuss Intel ? I personally feel it would be very remiss of us not to make the OP aware of all options we know of as they may not be aware of a better deal etc.
The same would go for just about everything really. I would wager that its a high 90's of a percent of threads that don't stick to a set brand during a discussion. Realistically speaking I would say that you need to know about the alternatives to give complete and rounded advice. So why differentiate between brands ?
Its your show at the end of the day. To me bringing branding into it is just feeding the die hard fans from the many camps.
Mac :) 
a b à CPUs
April 17, 2013 3:21:10 AM

jpishgar said:
How would you do it? On a per-product basis? When users generally talk AMD, they talk CPUs rather than GPUs. When they talk Cooler Master, typically they are within a set of product types, for the most part. Making it over-granular may end up reducing the effectiveness of tags as content filters, too, note.


Radeon badge?
a c 912 à CPUs
April 17, 2013 11:38:29 AM

Tags based on brand names must be a commercial decision. Suggest sticking to forum categories since that is really a definition of field of expertise. I see nothing wrong with multiple tags since answering a question about CPU’s often includes overclocking, ram, motherboards, PSU and etc as well.
I am almost to an AMD batch but really if you look at it I have over 400 BA in CPU’s and over 600 in GPU’s so why would I need a AMD badge or even Intel or Nvidia to tell people I know a little bit about those products.
Another gripe I raised earlier is the user permission to award best answers and now realizing the same applies to tags the definition of a veteran user, currently is 5 BA but with plans to change it to 20 BA. Has nobody thought about changing the definition to a certain numbers of posts or length of membership on the forum tied with the BA’s? My personal opinion is that to be considered a Veteran would be at least member for a year and then apply BA count.
April 17, 2013 3:53:04 PM

rolli59 said:
My personal opinion is that to be considered a Veteran would be at least member for a year and then apply BA count.

I have not been here a year and I still am a veteran. I don't think the time someone has registered be relevant.
a c 912 à CPUs
April 17, 2013 7:02:26 PM

The Stealthinator said:
rolli59 said:
My personal opinion is that to be considered a Veteran would be at least member for a year and then apply BA count.

I have not been here a year and I still am a veteran. I don't think the time someone has registered be relevant.

That would be because of your post count in the old system which is another way of looking at it. So say maybe 1000 posts. Remember how many you needed to be considered veteran. This is just a suggestion and could be post count or time. My favorite solution to this is that only OP or mod would be able to assign best answer just like the old system, since other user being able to do it is going to get manipulated in somebodies favor to progress faster up the rankings, no question about it.
April 17, 2013 11:55:25 PM

It can be reported and then an action taken against the user.
a b à CPUs
April 18, 2013 12:18:24 AM

The problem is that they have put this ability out there and there will be a huge uproar from those who enjoy using the power.
I agree that the OP or moderation should be the only ones able to assign a Best Answer. We have had the discussion in a different thread and they seem determined to keep as many people involved as possible.

Mac :) 
April 18, 2013 1:05:32 AM

Unless you're higher than the average user, you can't select yourself as the best answer.
a c 912 à CPUs
April 18, 2013 3:59:10 AM

But friends can help each other out.
April 18, 2013 4:06:06 AM

Like I said, it's not difficult to take action against the user.

Make a rule where if someone selects a BA which is obviously not a BA, then they be banned or their badge be downgraded.
April 18, 2013 7:22:06 AM

Best Answer abuse definitely constitutes a threat to the forum integrity, and will be treated as a first infraction when it comes to moderation actions against that user.
a b à CPUs
April 18, 2013 9:30:28 AM

jpishgar said:
Best Answer abuse definitely constitutes a threat to the forum integrity, and will be treated as a first infraction when it comes to moderation actions against that user.


Can we round this off then please.

Is it the intention to continue to divide sections up into branded categories ? Thus creating extra badges and more complexity to the forum.

Where are we on the best answer count to assign ? We were at 5 last time I heard and I believe we were talking about going up to 20.

Just to round things up from my end I fully believe that it needs to be much much harder to get the ability to assign Best answers. Maybe the Mods should as a group discuss how they feel about this ? With maybe the Mods themselves having the ability to grant this power to users who they as a group feel should have it ?

I personally don't use the Tag system so an just putting in my 2 cents, however I cant see how complicating things for users and the forum engine by bringing Brands into it helps.
If its a commercial decision based on requirements from our advertising partners then that's fair enough.

Mac :) 
a c 912 à CPUs
April 18, 2013 10:11:19 AM

mactronix said:
jpishgar said:
Best Answer abuse definitely constitutes a threat to the forum integrity, and will be treated as a first infraction when it comes to moderation actions against that user.


Can we round this off then please.

Is it the intention to continue to divide sections up into branded categories ? Thus creating extra badges and more complexity to the forum.

Where are we on the best answer count to assign ? We were at 5 last time I heard and I believe we were talking about going up to 20.

Just to round things up from my end I fully believe that it needs to be much much harder to get the ability to assign Best answers. Maybe the Mods should as a group discuss how they feel about this ? With maybe the Mods themselves having the ability to grant this power to users who they as a group feel should have it ?

I personally don't use the Tag system so an just putting in my 2 cents, however I cant see how complicating things for users and the forum engine by bringing Brands into it helps.
If its a commercial decision based on requirements from our advertising partners then that's fair enough.

Mac :) 

Great post Mac, better than I could have put it.
a b à CPUs
April 19, 2013 6:23:06 AM

Thanks you :) 

Mac :) 
April 19, 2013 7:06:10 AM

Quote:
Is it the intention to continue to divide sections up into branded categories ? Thus creating extra badges and more complexity to the forum.


As necessity requires, yes. Our current hierarchy assigns values to tags or subcategory labels that have heightened seniority or relevance. Ergo, if the CPUs category suddenly starts talking about Disney's Mickey Mouse CPUs (an absurd example), then we might consider adding a Mickey Mouse or Disney category under CPUs, and following it with a badge, or vice versa.

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Where are we on the best answer count to assign ? We were at 5 last time I heard and I believe we were talking about going up to 20.


We're currently at 5, but we are headed to 20. There are outstanding issues that are being addressed first.

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Just to round things up from my end I fully believe that it needs to be much much harder to get the ability to assign Best answers. Maybe the Mods should as a group discuss how they feel about this ? With maybe the Mods themselves having the ability to grant this power to users who they as a group feel should have it ?


Mods have already chimed in privately, and this is part of how we arrived at the 20 best answers threshold.

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I personally don't use the Tag system so an just putting in my 2 cents, however I cant see how complicating things for users and the forum engine by bringing Brands into it helps. If its a commercial decision based on requirements from our advertising partners then that's fair enough.


Tags are supposed to help with content filtering and searching, and so far they've been pretty spot-on with the exception of a few minor issues. We don't intend to add every brand out there, only the ones that our users indicate they want through manually assigning tags. There are some tags that were added who are partners of ours, but we probably would have added these regardless due to the content discussed revolving around these tags.

Hope this clears things up for you!
-JP

a b à CPUs
April 19, 2013 1:28:03 PM

Thanks for the feedback.

The thing with the tags is that the search feature has never worked for me from day one. I search the forum by forum category.
On a more positive note.
The addition of the forum live feed when that went live which I think was before the update was a great innovation as far as I am concerned.
Also its much easier to spot unanswered threads on the new forum.
I know its a thankless task some times.

Mac :) 



a b à CPUs
April 22, 2013 1:15:54 PM

jpishgar said:
You should give the Follow feature a shot, too. You might like that even better.

http://www.tomshardware.com/follow/


Yes I see what you did there, and it sounds and looks OK but it would need me to start following Tags which of course I have already stated I wont be doing.
It may be new and it may look neat and snazzy but its no different really when you boil it down to searching the forum sections like I do now.
It kinda has W8 syndrome to my mind. Someone decided Tags would be better/easier or whatever and now the functionality revolves around using the Tags.
Can I downgrade to forum 7 please :p 

Mac :) 
a c 912 à CPUs
April 23, 2013 4:54:19 AM

I agree with Mack there it is a new and exciting feature which I will never use, since I read Tom's daily and have newer not found what I am looking for without tags.
April 25, 2013 8:43:12 AM

The tag system and follow features aren't for everyone, but are available to make things easier for anyone interested in using them. :) 
a c 912 à CPUs
April 30, 2013 7:29:13 AM

This is funny, just got an email about tags and how to use them to follow my interests! No thank you I consider it spam.
a b à CPUs
April 30, 2013 1:49:14 PM

As did I. I just wonder why such time and effort is being put into promoting the feature ?

Mac
May 1, 2013 7:04:19 AM

It is helpful to some of our users - it's why it's there. You don't have to use it if you'd rather not.
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