HD 7750 or better option for 1920x1080 monitor

[Mezdec]

Greetings everyone. I currently have the p7-1524 that has the integrated video card. I am looking to upgrade this. Currently I am looking at the 7750 Radeon line as that upgrade is relatively simple and doesn't involve the upgrading the power supply. The reviews show that this isn't necessarily good for HD gaming as I use a 1920x1080 monitor.



So, I am leaning to going ahead and upgrading my PSU as well. The 7770 is supposed to be about 20% faster then the 7750 series. If I am going to go ahead and upgrade my PSU anyway though, what graphics cards should I look at that are both compatible with my system and allow me to enjoy gaming on my current monitor in 1920x1080.



My price range would probablly be $200-300, though that is adjustable for significant gains in performance. Also, I'd be worried about any "bottlenecking" as well. So any video card I put in, I would want my system to hopefully get the most out of it.

Here is a link to my factory unit with its specifications.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&docname=c03135882#N216

 

[david cassar]

The power supply in your pc has a very low wattage so go with the hd 7750. It will give you around 45 fps on medium settings @1080p. Also your processor would bottleneck anything that is 200-300 dollars.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Greetings everyone. I currently have the p7-1524 that has the integrated video card. I am looking to upgrade this. Currently I am looking at the 7750 Radeon line as that upgrade is relatively simple and doesn't involve the upgrading the power supply. The reviews show that this isn't necessarily good for HD gaming as I use a 1920x1080 monitor.



So, I am leaning to going ahead and upgrading my PSU as well. The 7770 is supposed to be about 20% faster then the 7750 series. If I am going to go ahead and upgrade my PSU anyway though, what graphics cards should I look at that are both compatible with my system and allow me to enjoy gaming on my current monitor in 1920x1080.



My price range would probablly be $200-300, though that is adjustable for significant gains in performance. Also, I'd be worried about any "bottlenecking" as well. So any video card I put in, I would want my system to hopefully get the most out of it.

Here is a link to my factory unit with its specifications.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&docname=c03135882#N216

The power supply in your pc has a very low wattage so go with the hd 7750. It will give you around 45 fps on medium settings @1080p. Also your processor would bottleneck anything that is 200-300 dollars.

david is bang on the money. Your CPU isn't great so anything beyond a 7750 would be bottlenecked by it, and most likely with the HP you don't have options to overclock, which could alleviate the bottleneck. And as he also pointed out, with the 7750 you have no need for a psu upgrade. 7750 with your system would be well balanced. Just dont expect anything more than med/high in games. But any new games, will tax the system even more, maybe leaving you with having to dial back some settings.

 

[coolguy12]

7750 go for it

 

[david cassar]

Let me tell you 7750 isnt that bad it is medium level gaming card i ran far cry 3 on medium with 70 fps and on high it was 40-50, played assasins creed very well BF3 gave me 60-70fps so it isnt that bad well to see your budget nvidia 660 is good and 650ti boost is also good u could get a 7870 which is better than 660 for around250$ and 7950 boost edition for 300$ the choice is yours

Sadly all those cards you mentioned will be bottlenecked by his cpu and his 300w psu isn't capable of running any of them. Go with the hd 7750.

 

[coolguy12]

go for 7750 u can play all the games with it at medium settings trust me

 

[Mezdec]

Would upgrading my processor to the Amd A8-3850 significantly improve the processor, or are the gains miniscule?

 

[Mezdec]

Also, I plan on utilizing it for Elder Scrolls Online here toward the end of the year (or whenever it launches), so again any upgrades are nice. So, for my current system, I would see no real difference between the 7750 and 7770 do to bottlenecking of my current processor? I already had figured in uprading my PSU if I went ahead and got the 7770.

Basically, if I was willing to spend the extra money on the PSU and the 7770, would the gains over the 7750 be so tiny that I'd be wasting the money as it stands?

 

[JD88]

Edit: Scratch what I said. For some reason I got onto a page where it said that system had an Ivy Bridge i3 in it.

Save until you can afford a complete system upgrade.

 

[david cassar]

Would upgrading my processor to the Amd A8-3850 significantly improve the processor, or are the gains miniscule?

I wouldn't upgrade the cpu you currently have to the a8, they use the same architecture and the only difference is the clock speed and the integrated gpu.
If i were you i would upgrade your cpu to something like an athlon ii x4 740.

 

[Mezdec]

Thank you JD88, I will definately look into this option as almost everyone through my perusing had been recommending the 7750. Might I ask what it is about the graphics card you linked that puts it well over the 7750 in your opinion. Or what should I be looking at/for as I am searching these?

 

[JD88]

Please check my edited post, I made an error in my response earlier.

In my opinion buying the 7750 would not be a good option. I wouldn't upgrade anything until you can upgrade the motherboard, CPU, and GPU.

That is simply a VERY weak processor.

If you wanted to harvest some of the parts from that system, you could probably do a build in the range of $300-350 that would make a lot of games playable.

 

[david cassar]

Thank you JD88, I will definately look into this option as almost everyone through my perusing had been recommending the 7750. Might I ask what it is about the graphics card you linked that puts it well over the 7750 in your opinion. Or what should I be looking at/for as I am searching these?

The gtx 650 ti boost is much better than the 7750. Higher memory bandwith, more stream processors and higher clock speeds are all factors.

 

[Mezdec]

Ok, I was just basing it off the HP processor upgrade page there that I linked. The upgrading of the PSU and the graphics card look relatively simple to me, (assuming I get the right parts). How much more of an undertaking is it to switch out the cpu? Would that cpu work with my current mobo or would it require an overhaul as well?

 

[Mezdec]

Well I am not opposed to doing a slow overhaul of my current system. I posted the other nite about actually trying to build a PC from ground up over the course of 6months or so, but was recommended against that with the way technology is currently. So, if I was to upgrade my current system a piece at a time, what should my plan of attack be? I wouldn't want to not have access to the computer, so switching out 1-2 pieces at a time, but still allowing me to use my current desktop after each upgrade would be the route I'd have to take.

 

[david cassar]

Ok, I was just basing it off the HP processor upgrade page there that I linked. The upgrading of the PSU and the graphics card look relatively simple to me, (assuming I get the right parts). How much more of an undertaking is it to switch out the cpu? Would that cpu work with my current mobo or would it require an overhaul as well?

I made an error on previous post saying to get an athlon ii x4 740(which is an fm2 processor.)
You are better off completely upgrading the cpu and mobo since fm1 is a dead socket and aren't really any powerful processors.
If you want to stay with amd get a phenom ii x4 965 and an asus M5A78L-M LX PLUS
If you want to go intel get an i3 3220 and an ASRock H77M

 

[JD88]

You would need a new motherboard and CPU. You could keep your current RAM, hard drive, case, and optical drive.

An upgrade would look something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($60.97 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $200.95
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-23 15:36 EDT-0400)

With this graphics card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130914

for a total of around $350.

 

[ikaz]

Sigh... I think people over state bottle neck issues with CPU's. Anyway you would need to get a better PSU to run anything stronger than a 7750. I would suggest geting something like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371045

(or any quality $50 psu)

Then that leave you with $200-250 to spend on a GPU, so you can go with a 7850/7870 (and get free games) or a 650 ti boost/gTX 660 (get free game money I believe in free online games).

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Edit: Scratch what I said. For some reason I got onto a page where it said that system had an Ivy Bridge i3 in it.

Save until you can afford a complete system upgrade.

Please check my edited post, I made an error in my response earlier.

In my opinion buying the 7750 would not be a good option. I wouldn't upgrade anything until you can upgrade the motherboard, CPU, and GPU.

That is simply a VERY weak processor.

I was just typing a query to your first post!! haha. then just noticed the edit. Yes at 2.2 (2.5 turbo) it aint good.

To the OP, the 650ti Boost is a much better card, and will play decently at 1080p, some games with high settings. But then you have additional power requirements. the 7750 doesn't need more than the power the PCI slot can provide, so it's cost effective. The 7750 will work well with your system. But if your looking to max out games at that res you will need a newer, more capable system, as outlined by some of the guys here. Maybe something like an I3 3220 based system or as one of the guys said and Athlon II x4 965 which is still a pretty good gaming CPU. The CPU's i mentioned would be entry level for a good gaming experience. There are many posts on toms, which will give recommendations on lots of possible setups and where/how to buy cheaply.

 

[david cassar]

Sigh... I think people over state bottle neck issues with CPU's. Anyway you would need to get a better PSU to run anything stronger than a 7750. I would suggest geting something like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371045

(or any quality $50 psu)

Then that leave you with $200-250 to spend on a GPU, so you can go with a 7850/7870 (and get free games) or a 650 ti boost/gTX 660 (get free game money I believe in free online games).

With the gtx 660 you get free metro last light

 

[JD88]

Sigh... I think people over state bottle neck issues with CPU's. Anyway you would need to get a better PSU to run anything stronger than a 7750. I would suggest geting something like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371045

(or any quality $50 psu)

Then that leave you with $200-250 to spend on a GPU, so you can go with a 7850/7870 (and get free games) or a 650 ti boost/gTX 660 (get free game money I believe in free online games).

This is absolutely not true. You don't realize just how bad that CPU is. Unless the OP is playing 2-3 year old games, that CPU will choke horribly.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

You would need a new motherboard and CPU. You could keep your current RAM, hard drive, case, and optical drive.

An upgrade would look something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($60.97 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $200.95
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-23 15:36 EDT-0400)

With this graphics card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130914

for a total of around $350.

JD88 Your too quick. Nice post. Good advice for setup.

 

[david cassar]

Sigh... I think people over state bottle neck issues with CPU's. Anyway you would need to get a better PSU to run anything stronger than a 7750. I would suggest geting something like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371045

(or any quality $50 psu)

Then that leave you with $200-250 to spend on a GPU, so you can go with a 7850/7870 (and get free games) or a 650 ti boost/gTX 660 (get free game money I believe in free online games).

This is absolutely not true. You don't realize just how bad that CPU is. Unless the OP is playing 2-3 year old games, that CPU will choke horribly.

+1. That cpu is a very low end quad core.

 

[Mezdec]

You would need a new motherboard and CPU. You could keep your current RAM, hard drive, case, and optical drive.

An upgrade would look something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($60.97 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $200.95
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-23 15:36 EDT-0400)

With this graphics card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130914

for a total of around $350.

Ok, that is VERY doable. Bit bigger of a project then I was initially intending, but....sounds fun. Do you have any links to some good guides for reading or what not for someone new to this? How big of an undertaking is it totally switching out the mobo? I imagine I'd have to flash bios and stuff as well? I mean it's not all plug n play or anything? So after ordering and recieving pieces, should there be any steps I do, before dismantling and installing. Ie, downloading to disc updates, or bios or what have you?

 

[JD88]

You would need a new motherboard and CPU. You could keep your current RAM, hard drive, case, and optical drive.

An upgrade would look something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($60.97 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $200.95
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-23 15:36 EDT-0400)

With this graphics card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130914

for a total of around $350.

JD88 Your too quick. Nice post. Good advice for setup.

Thanks. Gotta be quick because this thread is going awful fast with a lot of good (and not so good) advice flying around.