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Rumor Roundup: Everything We've Heard on Desktop Haswell So Far, June 3, Box Art Included

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April 29, 2013 5:23:43 PM

When will we know about the Z87 motherboards?
April 29, 2013 5:27:08 PM

All this hubub for 5-10% performance improvement... Oh, memories of days yonder when AMD cracked the whip and intel jumped...
I say this and I'm still interested, lulz
April 29, 2013 5:32:29 PM

dup posting..sorry.
Anonymous
April 29, 2013 5:48:22 PM

This will be my next upgrade from my 2600k. But seriously who gives a rip about its integrated graphics. No one in their right mind cares about it either when buying these types of CPUs. When paired with a top of the line 2 dedicated GPUs (GTX 680s) in my case, you can't beat the performance. Best of the best. I'm hoping for a nice 20-30% boost over my current CPU. Or better.
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April 29, 2013 5:50:17 PM

Tom Williams said:
When will we know about the Z87 motherboards?

Starting to leak out slowly. Prob will be next month before any hit retail at earliest.

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April 29, 2013 5:59:13 PM

Hmm, for all current sandybridge "k" users, it looks like we're only looking at a ~20% increase at stock clocks (btw, do notice these chips are clocked higher at stock!) Eitherway I currently have my chip overclocked so I guess performance will largely how overclockable haswell is. remember how Ivybridge's bad thermals basically meant ZERO performance increase from an overclocked sandy part? T_T
April 29, 2013 6:05:12 PM

So, Intel finally decided to stop including those crappy CPU coolers and either switch it for an upgrade or just leave it out completely and reduce the price by $20?
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April 29, 2013 6:42:32 PM

I still don't understand how Intel thinks that having an increased core clock... that is only tied to the CPU... is going to make overclocking any 'easier.'
Surely people who are actually going to overclock know better than to see that as anything but market hype, yes?
April 29, 2013 6:43:12 PM

Anonymous said:
This will be my next upgrade from my 2600k. But seriously who gives a rip about its integrated graphics. No one in their right mind cares about it either when buying these types of CPUs. When paired with a top of the line 2 dedicated GPUs (GTX 680s) in my case, you can't beat the performance. Best of the best. I'm hoping for a nice 20-30% boost over my current CPU. Or better.


Perhaps you (and most gamers) don't care about IGP, but plenty of productivity-driven professionals whose primary concern is compute performance, not graphics performance, may indeed care. If the IGP is good enough, such individuals would have no need to add a discrete card of any kind to their machines to get their work done.

I don't feel Haswell's mild increase in performance truly warrants an upgrade for most Sandy Bridge owners, let alone Ivy Bridge owners.
April 29, 2013 6:47:48 PM

At least, the processors are 5-7 dollars cheaper their respective ivy bridge counterparts on average, that aside, am i the only who thinks the box artwork is pretty bad?
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April 29, 2013 6:51:48 PM

edwd2 said:
At least, the processors are 5-7 dollars cheaper their respective ivy bridge counterparts on average, that aside, am i the only who thinks the box artwork is pretty bad?


Nope. It's weird.
April 29, 2013 7:01:01 PM

sundragon said:
All this hubub for 5-10% performance improvement... Oh, memories of days yonder when AMD cracked the whip and intel jumped...
I say this and I'm still interested, lulz
I think it isnt that impressive to previous "K"CPU owner. but the unlock BLCK from Haswell + high multi will mean pretty much all other non-K CPU will be highly overclock-able.

This is pretty deadly if it is apply on the super budget dual CPU like i3 + pentium class Especially for people who are looking to upgrade from core 2 duo system and are looking for high IPC CPU without breaking the bank.

May be a 4GHz+ cheap $30-100 pentium / i3 can finally end the overpriced core 2 quads Q95xx/Q9650 which cost $100 on a used unit.

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April 29, 2013 7:04:23 PM

tomfreak said:
I think it isnt that impressive to previous "K"CPU owner. but the unlock BLCK from Haswell + high multi will mean pretty much all other non-K CPU will be highly overclock-able.

This is pretty deadly if it is apply on the super budget dual CPU like i3 + pentium class Especially for people who are looking to upgrade from core 2 duo system and are looking for high IPC CPU without breaking the bank.

May be a 4GHz+ cheap $30-100 pentium / i3 can finally end the overpriced core 2 quads Q95xx/Q9650 which cost $100 on a used unit.


This is Intel we're talking about. I would be very, very surprised if they went back to selling processors that could overclock without paying the premium for a 'k' series chip... especially since they are still selling 'k' series.

There's no way they're selling a 'k' series chip while still letting the others overclock.

April 29, 2013 7:07:30 PM

That box art looks hideous.
April 29, 2013 7:08:30 PM

Wish they would release variants without the integrated graphics for cheaper.
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April 29, 2013 7:12:12 PM

kewlmunky said:
Wish they would release variants without the integrated graphics for cheaper.


I pretty much guarantee you they'll release an equivalent of the 3350p, but not on release day.
April 29, 2013 7:21:53 PM

DarkSable said:
I still don't understand how Intel thinks that having an increased core clock... that is only tied to the CPU... is going to make overclocking any 'easier.'
Surely people who are actually going to overclock know better than to see that as anything but market hype, yes?

I kinda agree with you. Historically, having an adjustable CPU frequency meant that you could overclock without the need of a special multiplier-unlocked CPU--with any old CPU. But since they're still only allowing adjustment with an unlocked CPU, I'm not getting much of the significance.
April 29, 2013 10:31:42 PM

But can it run Crysis by itself or does it still need a dedicated video card?
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April 30, 2013 3:24:53 AM

@DarkSable I personally think that separating the BSCLK from the rest of the system is a good thing. When I tune the BSCLK I don't want my RAM to be screwed with. If I wanted my RAM to run at higher frequencies I'd like to OC it separately, and vice versa.
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April 30, 2013 3:29:03 AM

marshal11 said:
@DarkSable I personally think that separating the BSCLK from the rest of the system is a good thing. When I tune the BSCLK I don't want my RAM to be screwed with. If I wanted my RAM to run at higher frequencies I'd like to OC it separately, and vice versa.


That's all fine and dandy, but this doesn't matter at all. It's completely separated from anything but the core, so it's not actually gaining you anything.... which means there will be zero difference between overclocking with the multiplier and overclocking with the core clock.
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April 30, 2013 3:43:29 AM

That i5-4570T with its 2 cores/4 threads bugs me every time I see it.
April 30, 2013 4:37:05 AM

Maybe we all need to start buying AMD, just so Intel gets the hint and start pushing more than these meesley 5-10% gains
April 30, 2013 5:22:29 AM

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It looks like a CPU box.

NO. SERIOUSLY???...?...!

sundragon said:
All this hubub for 5-10% performance improvement... Oh, memories of days yonder when AMD cracked the whip and intel jumped...
I say this and I'm still interested, lulz

Yeah i know we should stop buying AMD processors all together, considering their 10-15% improvement in 5 years...
April 30, 2013 6:53:32 AM

Fakest looking box art ever.
April 30, 2013 6:56:22 AM

colinstu said:
Fakest looking box art ever.


True. No "Intel Inside" either. Deal breaker lol. :D 
April 30, 2013 10:21:10 AM

DarkSable said:
marshal11 said:
@DarkSable I personally think that separating the BSCLK from the rest of the system is a good thing. When I tune the BSCLK I don't want my RAM to be screwed with. If I wanted my RAM to run at higher frequencies I'd like to OC it separately, and vice versa.


That's all fine and dandy, but this doesn't matter at all. It's completely separated from anything but the core, so it's not actually gaining you anything.... which means there will be zero difference between overclocking with the multiplier and overclocking with the core clock.


44 x 100 = 4.4GHz but 44 x 110 = 4.84GHz. Yeah... no difference at all, right? LOL
April 30, 2013 11:15:40 AM

soldier2013: at least they did not shoehorn the good igp into the k series for a double whammy of uselessness. In any case imo the hd4000 is better than people give it credit and the HD5200 is starting to look like a decent performer. At this rate the low end discrete gpu will be gone next generation.
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April 30, 2013 11:16:59 AM

RazberyBandit said:
44 x 100 = 4.4GHz but 44 x 110 = 4.84GHz. Yeah... no difference at all, right? LOL


Before trying to laugh at someone else for being stupid, make sure you know what you're talking about:

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The maximum multiplier value tied to a 100 MHz base clock will be 80x; the maximum would be lower for the other base clocks. For example, the maximum multiplier for a 125 MHz base clock would be 64x; the maximum for a 166 MHz base clock would be 48x. Either way, in all three cases the maximum CPU frequency would be no higher than 8.0 GHz.


That means that if you're trying to overclock to, say, 4.8 GHz, you could have a core clock of 100 and a multiplier of 48, or you could have a core clock of 40 and a multiplier of 120. no matter which way you overclock, it doesn't matter. The result will be the same.
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April 30, 2013 6:17:30 PM

Wow so Haswell won't overclock any better than Ivy. Maybe next year.
May 1, 2013 6:31:20 AM

Honestly the slow cpu upgrades are working out good for me. My i7-980x still has many years of life left. I'll probably get 8 years of life out of this thing when all is said and done. Thats not too shabby.
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May 2, 2013 8:10:56 AM

Personally I'm rather impressed with Haswell. And I have a 3570k. Sure, I might not need an upgrade. From what I gather, we're looking at roughly 8-10% of a performance improvement. Meaning that a 3570k at 4.3Ghz would perform similarly to a 4670k at 4.0Ghz. Not to mention they say these are suppose to overclock better.
I'm not too excited about the BCLK being unlocked. As all this does is allow you to go in between Ghz. Like if you wanted to be at 4.55Ghz instead of 4.5Ghz. So I guess that's kind of cool if you want to squeeze every drop out of your PC. The MAX overclock on air or water for Ivy is about 4.8-5.0Ghz. If Haswell can do 5.2-5.4, along with 8-10% IPC gains, maybe it is a good upgrade from Sandy Bridge owners being that you could potentially gain .7Ghz or 25-30% in performance. That is definitely worth noting.
I'm definitely not going to be upgrading this year, but next year I will be. So hopefully we can get another 10% next year as well as better thermals.
May 3, 2013 4:28:59 AM

As good as it sounds, I still don't feel like I need to upgrade my Bloomfield.
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