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May 9, 2013 12:36:08 PM

Hey guys I am currently building a gaming computer and I was wondering if you guys could show me the rest of the parts that i would need to be able to use the gtx 580 graphics card. I am new at computer builds so I do not know what case, cpu, fan, etc I will need. My current budget for the things is the cheapest or under $600 since I already have the gpu. I also do not need a mouse, keyboard, monitor, or operating system. I really need help please. Also was buying the EVGA gtx 580 1.5gb for $300 a good deal?

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a b 4 Gaming
May 9, 2013 6:11:41 PM

for 300 dollars, that's about the base price for a used one. so if you got it new, that's a bargain. As for the rest of your build, ill give you a list for both intel and AMD, and you choose from there.

INTEL
cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $220
mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $115
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $60
HD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $95
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $65
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $50
the mobo has a 15% off promo code right now so it should keep you under 600, while giving you basically a hardy little computer to do some intense gaming with now for

AMD
cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $200
Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $88
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $65
case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $50
HD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $95
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $90
CPU cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $30 (with a 10 dollar mail in rebate it's 20)
and heres the amd which for under 600 dollars includes the newer piledriver 8 core cpu, a higher capacity psu (and enough money for a better cpu cooler if needed for overclocking) and bam, i think a better deal for the buck and can keep up with the intel 4 core, odds are your gpu will cause a bottleneck before the cpu, so either way you go will be fine. I am a avid AMD lover, so you can imagine i have my hand up in voting for the amd build, but the choice is yours.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
sorry i just looked up the combo, and you save another 12 dolalrs by getting this cpu/ram combo, so makes it even better lol.
a b 4 Gaming
May 9, 2013 6:40:48 PM

The only problem I personally have with that 580, is that 1.5 GB VRAM isn't going to be enough for higher quality settings for some games, and for the future.
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a b 4 Gaming
May 9, 2013 7:10:08 PM

ihog said:
The only problem I personally have with that 580, is that 1.5 GB VRAM isn't going to be enough for higher quality settings for some games, and for the future.


quite the contrary, see VRAM is basically used like ram on your computer, it stores info so it can get to it faster. Think about how even with 8gbs of ram, you on very rare occasion to use it all. VRAM is the same until you use multimonitor setups or very high resolution but if you have just 1-2 monitors in 1920 x 1080, 1.5gb of vram is more then enough. really though, if its one monitor that you're using, it comes down to if your monitor can support higher resolution.

Now what you maybe thinking about is "cuda cores, stream processors" which is the computing power of the vid cards. A gtx 580 just falls behind the newer Radeon 7870 stock performance wise (now the 7870 OC's nicely, newer drivers just make it better, and actually cheaper then the gtx 580) but the gtx also has a bigger bit interface, allowing for more data xfer compaired to the 256bit 7870. On average though they will perform about the same. definitely not enough to show a major difference in FPS in most games.
a b 4 Gaming
May 9, 2013 7:24:09 PM

No, I'm talking about how the textures and such will take up more VRAM once you get to higher settings, and obviously, like you said at higher resolutions. Skyrim is notorious for this, even without the mods.

And 1.5 GB will certainly be obsolete soon enough in the future.
a b 4 Gaming
May 9, 2013 7:35:42 PM

ihog said:
No, I'm talking about how the textures and such will take up more VRAM once you get to higher settings, and obviously, like you said at higher resolutions. Skyrim is notorious for this, even without the mods.

And 1.5 GB will certainly be obsolete soon enough in the future.


again, doubtful. Skyrim, and games like GTA4 are just horribly coded. Higher settings don't necessarily use VRAM, it depends on the processing power of the gpu. Higher resolution is where it will come into effect when it has to store larger images/files onto the VRAM, and that wont effect the details that would be rendered. Also multimonitor setups comes into play where it has to store more information for go figure, more screens. the 1.5gb is more then enough by today's standards and should be more then enough for the near future with a single monitor and 2560x1440 resolution high settings for most games out right now, and higher details if he decides 1920x1080 is all his monitor supports. If VRAM were the issue today, and for the future, the mid range cards would have 4gbs of vram and high end cards (above $500) would have 8-10gbs of VRAM at least. But that's not the case.
a b 4 Gaming
May 10, 2013 7:37:10 AM

Just because games will start using more than 1.5 GB of VRAM, doesn't mean they're gonna start using 4 GB. I'm saying that games in the future will probably begin to use more than 1.5 GB.
a b 4 Gaming
May 10, 2013 3:42:13 PM

ihog said:
Just because games will start using more than 1.5 GB of VRAM, doesn't mean they're gonna start using 4 GB. I'm saying that games in the future will probably begin to use more than 1.5 GB.


I don't think you quite understand what VRAM is. I think, that you think it is how fast the card is or how fast it can render something though i've explained it twice already maybe third times the charm right? At 1080p, 1gb of vram is more then enough to play everygame out there.he happens to have a mid-high level card, which has a 384bit bus, as well as 1.5gbs of vram, which he could play games at even higher resolution and still not hit that ceiling of 1.5gbs. Some games like lets say crysis 3, and bf3 can use alot of vram but thats only if you have a obsurd amount of unneeded AA on, hell even a radeon 7770 can run single player on ultra at 1080p with around 80fps with 4x AA and still not use 1gb of the VRAM. Anyway, like i said before, if Vram were needed, mid range cards would have 4gb+ of vram, which they don't, and low end (100 dollar cards) would have at least 1.5-2, and again they don't so I don't see how you think games will use more in the near future.
a b 4 Gaming
May 10, 2013 4:15:52 PM

Dude, you aren't grasping what I am saying. I know what VRAM is and how it works. I'm not saying more VRAM is equivalent to faster core or memory clocks. I am saying that there are games whose textures, AA, and such at 1920x1080 will fill 1.5 GB of VRAM. Some, not all by any means. I am also saying that I believe newer games will begin to saturate 1.5 GB, and possibly a little more, but I am not saying that games within the next year will need more than 2 GB. You'll take a performance hit if you only have 1.5 GB and a game wants to dump 1.7 GB into the VRAM.
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