Now what? The Obama admin....

AP says Justice Department secretly obtained its phone records
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/05/13/ap-says-justice-department-secretly-obtained-its-phone-records/
 

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This is kinda good news, bare with me.

People dont seem to care when their phones are tapped (their legislators voted for it) and calls recorded. But this might be the straw that broke the camels back, this could be the thing to turn the public sentiment against the Patriot Act and these warrantless unjustifiable intrusions into privacy.

I would even fire Holder to send a message to other agencies that you dont do sh*t like this. But it will never happen people will never get pissed enough to do anything.
 
Now mingo, youre going to lose your lib credentials if you keep this up, its not as if it hasnt happened before, tho young you are, and the liberals wanted it then, so theyre using it now, inreverse of course, because today, they ARE the man
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol47no1/article04.html
In a 16 September 1971 column in The Washington Post, Jack Anderson wrote that US intelligence was successfully intercepting telephone conversations from limousines used by members of the Soviet Politburo in Moscow. In his book, For the President’s Eyes Only (New York, NY: Harper Perennial, 1966, p. 359), British historian Christopher Andrew says that this US collection program producing highly sensitive information ended abruptly after Anderson’s revelations.
 
Remember, those held at Gitmo ?
Some believe they deserve our rights?
And now youre trashing the patriot act?
My advice is, dont worry about the phone, worry more to keep patriot act away from your checks and tax sheets

Oh, and PS

Notice my quote?
Notice the bname of the book?
Thats right, back then the president was responsible for all this, not just hearing about it on the telly
 
I think some are calling in their loans.
Even with the AP, more than likely, due to its nature, the president or an assigned underling by the president still had to go forwards with this, and have a judge sign off as well.
With the AP thing, its the width of the usage, so broad in scope, they were looking at things they shouldnt have.
The IRS, they may have mishandled infos forced from the people, and given it to political appointees on the ooposite side of things, a huge no no, and someone will pay for this, tho the timing is somewhat concerning.
Last I heard on Benghazi is, Africom was told to stand down, now who gave this order, we need to know.
A link I put up earlier from wiki says its the prez, according to chain of command, but this too can be delegated.
Either way, knowing or not, Mr BO has mishandled either thru appointment, lied, or is just truly a bad human being, which of course we would expect lying from.
 
The one escalating it is the president, as even just a few in the MSM will carry that baggage anymore.
He either needs to get to the bottom of all this, or congress and the MSM will.
Even a lap dog will bite you if you dont feed it properly
 
Obviously, either government has gotten too large to over see.
Obviously, those who bring to light fact should never be attacked or lessened in their occupations.
Obviously, since Obama didnt know half of what was going on in the government, he is inept or very vile and full of lies.
Obviously, we all have a unfriendly attitude towards the IRS, and anyone who disagrees, tell me how you feel when an agent knocks on your door.
Now why is this?
Theyve had complete and utter control of everything you have until you can prove your innocence, not really the American way, but is tolerated so our country can pay its bills, and shows to the many naysaying large government loving, lie accepting, tingling in their knees wannbes, that if the right actually didnt believe in "fairness", then the IRS wouldnt have this ability, nor would it be tolerated.

So, this brings us around to bigger government and giving huge amounts of responsibility and power to a portion of government that has more control of each one of us, no matter how rich, how successful, how poor, or how unfortunate one is, to only add more power and control just doesnt work.
First, if those supporting Obamacare I would think would like a good approach towards the people, marketing 101 if you will, assigning the IRS to oversee how each individual pays and attains the correct amount is like giving the bully all the lunches to hand out during lunch at school, its stupid, and shows the out of touch, overreaching attitudes some of our lawmakers have towards us, the students if you will
 

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Carney is just a puppet for Obama. This IRS situation is serious and has to be looked into with people who are not partisan at all.

 
Well, if you want a history of the MSM and liberals in general towards the press, and their right to leak:
“Jack Anderson was like Ahab chasing after Richard Nixon, this great white whale, and he plagued Nixon from the very beginning of his career,” says Feldstein, a veteran journalist and former “Dateline NBC” producer who has spent years researching the life and career of Anderson, once one of the most widely read newspaper columnists in the country.
Feldstein’s book does not paint Anderson as a journalistic white knight. While praising the columnist as one of the country’s premier investigative reporters, Feldstein also accuses him of questionable tactics and ethical transgressions, including writing stories suggesting that a number of public figures were gay when he had no evidence to support it — a not uncommon smear during Anderson’s era.
Feldstein also obtained copies of cancelled checks showing that Anderson received thousands of dollars in payments from one of his long time sources — Washington lobbyist Irving Davidson, whose clients included mobsters and right-wing dictators such as Nicaragua’s Anastasio Somoza. According to Feldstein, Davidson wrote the checks out of the bank account of the Somoza regime and the lobbyist kept a special file of positive articles that Anderson had done about his clients. (Anderson died in 2005. One of his sons, Kevin Anderson, did not dispute the payments, but told NBC that Davidson provided “valuable information” to his father over the years.)
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39157420/ns/politics/t/nixon-plot-against-newspaper-columnist-detailed/#.UZWfF7UskYk

They loved Jack Anderson then, but today, not in their backyard, even if its the chosen one.

In other words, even the most joyous and happy and powerful of his supporters, the MSM are saying government is too powerful and out of control.
All done in these enlightened times too, with such as the wisest president finding out about these things....on the MSM

PS Notice also Anderson made attempts at calling some pols gay, and is in accord with calling anyone a bigot today, if you dont completely accept what the chosen one has laid down for us.
Yes, the LA times big man, the liberal bastion of the left coast, smearing people by calling them gay, a typical leftist attempt, being the bigots they are

Sep 28, 2010 – Mark Feldstein's study of the muckraking columnist Jack Anderson and his ... had reported that some of Reagan's staff members were gay.
Spiro Agnew with a column hinting that Agnew's son was gay. ...
People whose version of media history only includes the Woodwards and Bernsteins taking down Richard Nixon (for nothing more than their sheer love of country) might want to see just how Anderson worked hand in glove with Democrats, and cut a series of ethical corners:

Anderson's questionable tactics were visible as early as 1958, when he and a Democratic congressional investigator were caught with bugging equipment in the old Sheraton-Carlton Hotel, surreptitiously recording the businessman who bribed Sherman Adams, later forced to resign as President Dwight Eisenhower's chief of staff. This was a big break for Anderson, who was then the chief legman for columnist Drew Pearson.
During the 1960 campaign, Anderson worked with an operative for John F. Kennedy's campaign to uncover a secret $205,000 loan -- actually a gift that was never repaid -- from reclusive billionaire Howard Hughes to Vice President Nixon's brother, Donald. Pearson was reluctant to run the story on the eve of the election, so Anderson set a trap by letting a top Nixon aide know he was investigating the matter. That prompted the GOP campaign to leak a sanitized version to a conservative Scripps-Howard reporter, creating the opening for the columnists to "correct the record" with the seamy details.
Anderson and Pearson quickly took a partisan side, drafting a statement for their friend Lyndon Johnson, Kennedy's running mate, to demand Senate hearings on Nixon's finances. They even sent a telegram to Democratic congressman Jack Brooks -- headlined SUGGEST PRESS STATEMENT SOMEWHAT ALONG THESE LINES -- which Brooks faithfully followed.


Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2010/09/14/new-book-shows-how-star-columnist-jack-anderson-cut-corners-help-lbj-rui#ixzz2TW6Wjay2
 
I agree marv, and the people who have come forwards, for Benghazi at least, have been lambasted for doing so, and they voted for the annointed one.
Time to find the real patriots here, and I would suggest we start with the TEA Party, let them do the oversight in all this.
 
Everyone surely remembers this remark:
"If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, 'We're gonna punish our enemies, and we're gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us'
Then:
Mr. Obama told Baisden that he should have used the word, "opponents," rather than "enemies" (see below). According to his language parsing, presumably some Republicans candidates are "opponents," not "enemies," of provisions, such as comprehensive immigration reform. Understood?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20021413-503544.html

Now, what do we see here?
Another, grab their Bibles and guns remark.
Then some feeble excuse to rectify his comments.
Time and again comments, and enemies?

If he is so wise, he would never say such a thing.
If he was so wise, these things we are finally seeing now wouldnt be happening.
Using words like enemies, and clinging to their Bibles and guns, sorta sounds like you guys, you know, a certain group?

Wheres big hittin shotgun Joe right now too?
He should be standing side by side with the anointed one.
 
I believe you have many in the TEA party who has to be listened to regarding the IRS probe and solutions.
The TEA party has warned government is too big and cumbersome, making it too expensive and intrusive.
The very thing theyve warned about is now happening, and to them of all walks of life.

Remember this?
It's better for four guilty men to go free than one innocent man to be imprisoned?
The zealousness of the "fairness" doctrine could be seen as easily tipping our scales of.....fairness, simply because those driving this belief are big government, high taxes and everything that can cause the IRS situation to happen, whether people in the IRS getting caught up in the hype of it, or it being too unwieldy and large.
So, when people see their leaders proposing class warfare for the sake of "fairness", beware, if not for the simple fact that government can and often does go wrong.
 
Oh, and to all those revisionists who credit Clinton for balancing the budget, and also, to those who find it OK to go after the AP, who are doing less than this man:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1955&dat=19970306&id=ExtVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=bD0NAAAAIBAJ&pg=5140,3655088
balanced budget....which has been the cornerstone of the conservative agenda for a decade

His buddy Joe Biden is often written about from Jack Anderson back in the day, seemed it was OK with the leaks he was putting out, the slander he used to good ol Joe.
Whats truly sad here is, a former lib/progressive champion used racism/sexism to discredit others in his time, the libs loved him, but today, the TEA party has been accused of racism, no fact, theyve been ridiculed more than any for their agenda, and here we are today, the government abusing them, the left calling them racists, as Im sure the left would rather forget their old buddy Jack Anderson, who actually did do what they only hoped the TEA party supposedly did, and are attacked by the TEA parties very warnings about government.
The irony is only too deep here
 

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Please do not mention Bush he was a complete imbecile as president!

 
Thats not what he meant.
He meanjt, we cant drill our way out of this, alternatives power sources, meanwhile all predictions show the US free of oil and gas by the 2020s, thru drilling.
And he meant, he will shutr down any new coal plants, and hamper and lessen the use of coal, while he also shuts down pipelines, while he also oversees an economy that sucks.
He also said....
If I go further, then its only negative from here on out, such as clinging to guns n bibles etc, or enemies when refering to those who dont think like he does etc.
Great guy we have, and dont mind the lies, hes worth it
 

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The people elected him it is their own dam fault now!

 
No
Just like Pelosi, vote then find out, fundamental change was an open book, this all could have turned out to be quite something different, and I believe is why some are still holding on to someones whos lied about death, didnt know about government intervention all the way down to what books you read in peoples lives, to diminishing whistle blowers, and going so far as to potential whistle blowers as in the AP, to scare anyone off, as well as the multitude of other things forthcoming and I havnt mentioned here.
You can love your president, even the left media loved Reagan simply for his wit and charm, but it didnt end there either, helping to solve the end of the cold war, recharging a dismal economy etc.
Obama has Obamacare, and he puts in charge of it the very person who was in chanrge of the IRS during all the corruption.
No, its a learning curve for those that didnt vette him, and downplayued who his friends were, his acquaintances, his pastor, the people he chose to be around, and the people he actually chose to be around.
All this matters, and the press and the zealots are mainly to blame, besides his admin and him.