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Microsoft Issues Another Warning of XP's Demise

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May 16, 2013 4:16:14 PM

Trust me, Microsoft, I want to see XP die as badly as you do. So many people understand too little to know why they need to move on.
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May 16, 2013 4:25:30 PM

Solid OS in my opinion, but nothing lives forever...
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May 16, 2013 4:31:01 PM

there must be a way for MS to send a warning message directly to every XP computer via a small "update" as the time approaches... this is a serious matter, ancient OSes need to die, and customer information needs to be properly protected, it's simple as that...
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May 16, 2013 4:32:05 PM

I'd love as much as anybody to move on to bigger and better things... but it's very discouraging when your alternative is Windows 8. Not sure if MS got the memo, but my office still uses the good old mouse and keyboard, not a touchscreen. If not for the corporate need for very specific versions of IE, we might as well just hook a keyboard up to an Android tablet. It's pretty close to what Win8 offers, being a touch-oriented interface and all...
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May 16, 2013 4:48:47 PM

Trendfollowers. OS is there to serve. Not to whip your backs in some imaginary race. XP would be as good as it is if someone didn't decide to artificialy withhold support for new technologies, software or hardware, and milk some cash from voluntary milk donors. Sparkles and sparkle hunters.
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May 16, 2013 4:59:34 PM

I don't see what's the big deal. Businesses don't want to upgrade? Fine, use an outdated OS, and if it proves to be a security nightmare, those businesses will fail and disappear. If fears of using an outdated OS prove to be unfounded. then these businesses will save money and have a better bottom line.
Same with people using outdated web browsers, it's your computer, you use it any way you like.
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May 16, 2013 5:00:13 PM

I know the date April 2014 is meaningless for most, I work for a company which relies on Microsoft support of our enterprise for 100000+ computers. Our conversion to Windows 7 is going slowly too - 2000 computers/month rollouts. Will we be punished for our slow rollouts? Not cool!
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May 16, 2013 5:07:06 PM

If you really want people to upgrade put a discount on Vista, 7, and 8. I know I'd upgrade to Windows 7 or 8 if I could get it for like $30 from a legitimate website (you'd have to pay me to get Vista though). I don't have money to upgrade, so I'm sticking with Windows XP for now. It's a solid OS, I know my way around it, and it doesn't cost me anything unlike upgrading.
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May 16, 2013 5:07:18 PM

Hmmm, why wob't M$ release the sourcecode (for a small fee, if needed) when support stops and let people write their own updates?
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May 16, 2013 5:13:06 PM

computernerdforlife said:
I know the date April 2014 is meaningless for most, I work for a company which relies on Microsoft support of our enterprise for 100000+ computers. Our conversion to Windows 7 is going slowly too - 2000 computers/month rollouts. Will we be punished for our slow rollouts? Not cool!


I think the blame is firmly on your company for not upgrading or switching to another OS before now. XP went into extended support in April of 2009 and Windows 7 came out October 2009. MS has been saying since 2009 it was going to end the extended support. You would think 5 years heads up prior to the EOS in 2014 is more than enough. You will be punished because of a lack of planning. As the old saying goes "A lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part".
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May 16, 2013 5:28:56 PM

Its not like the world will end when they end support. The OS will work the same as it ever has.
Id say it will be VERY likely there will still be 10s of millions of XP machines running another decade from now.
If you are using business oriented software and not playing games, there really is no need to upgrade. Upgrading just because something is old, is dumb.
Especially when what they are currently offering is the disaster that is windows 8. Buy new hardware with windows7 instead of xp, sure. But upgrade just to upgrade, waste of time/money/resources. (again we are talking about non gamer, or power user who needs modern hardware, we are talking about writing documents, etc.)
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May 16, 2013 5:33:31 PM

I've run for years on a particular machine just to see if anything would happen with no updates...With Threatfire watching over anything that (insert Virus app name here) Comodo (in this case at this time) can't catch nothing has ever happened. I do a lot of crazy stuff on that laptop too (drivers are updated however). Of course it goes without saying it's not my main machine, but it has no issues ever. Everyone should run threatfire IMHO. It's a backup to your main AV app and is awesome in a combo. I already knew if you had something like this, and ignore updates there would be no consequences (virus wise) but just wanted to prove it. It's an XP32 machine.
I'd say you're only in danger (once they stop updating it) IF you have no protection like I've outlined here. IF you do, you'll likely never run into an issue assuming you keep threatfire/AV software up to date that is. They are aware of the HOLES in the OS and watch for them so no need to patch if you don't wish to. Part of the point of a great AV app is they assume you DON'T PATCH regularly in the OS so they are looking for your laziness so to speak. Threatfire will catch you even if you do it to yourself (I tested by running some exe files I knew would bite my butt...LOL). It detected suspicious behavior and nailed them. Nice ;) 
Not sure I believe a company let you come in, discuss this with them and check to see if they had updates installed (nor why they wouldn't have them in). I'm thinking this is just sensationalism at work here. Not that I don't think it happens (it does), just that I don't believe how this went down in the story. Who says "they're going to support it forever, but I don't use the current support anyway...screw updates"? Basically we're to assume this is how this went down? Adamant fighters for xp and business people in this case totally ignore updates? Ok, whatever...This OWNER let you get hands on with his business machine? A quick glance and mine would maybe show the update icon, but not if I have 1 update I need to install or 100,000 of them ;) 
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May 16, 2013 5:34:25 PM

You'll never take Windows 7 Ultimate x64 away from my cold dead hands!
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May 16, 2013 5:36:33 PM

So after 13 years of being the most targeted OS by hackers, Microsoft still hasn't found all the vulnerabilities?
Maybe Microsoft's lack of incompetent support won't really make it that much of a difference?
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May 16, 2013 5:37:58 PM

shikamaru31789 said:
If you really want people to upgrade put a discount on Vista, 7, and 8. I know I'd upgrade to Windows 7 or 8 if I could get it for like $30 from a legitimate website (you'd have to pay me to get Vista though). I don't have money to upgrade, so I'm sticking with Windows XP for now. It's a solid OS, I know my way around it, and it doesn't cost me anything unlike upgrading.


Actually Win 8 was available for next to nothing in the first few weeks of its release.
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May 16, 2013 5:43:36 PM

If these companies aren't installing the security updates anyway, what difference will a lack of new security updates make? This thing people are so scared of happening in april '14 has already been happening every day for 11+ years.
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May 16, 2013 5:55:28 PM

It's not just a matter of upgrading to a newer version of Windows. A lot of businesses use 3rd party software that just won't transfer to a new OS without spending a fortune upgrading the software and in a lot of cases the hardware as well. Some specialized hardware still requires the use of serial or parallel ports to function and those aren't on newer machines. Some people have to stick with Windows XP even without the security updates.
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May 16, 2013 6:17:58 PM

A BIG portion of the blame must go directly to Microsoft:
1) XP was the first genuine multitasking version of WIndows, and after Windows ME and Vista to compare against, XP was wildly successful - and businesses do NOT like to mess with success!!!
2) The upgrade procedure from XP to Win 7 is an unmitigated PITA, a real abortion
3) Win 7 was too expensive, with too many variations, and very confusing
4) Win 8 - no way, Jose! Not for businesses yet
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May 16, 2013 6:30:16 PM

I believe that those in love with windows xp will try to find something alternate and just as stable as XP.
I believe most companies do not want to spend the big money to get new computers for Win 7 or 8 for that matter.
I think an uprise in Ubuntu running on computers that were running on XP when XP finally goes.
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May 16, 2013 6:42:53 PM

I would like this as well, mostly so 64bit processing can take over.
But admittedly, I still use XP on some of my older systems, like my laptop and my currently defunct old desktop. The lack of updates isn't a major thing, not like you can't still install and run XP, you just can't promise safety of the OS... As if you could in the first place.
If the time came I had to update my laptop and older desktop's OS, I'd likely switch to Ubuntu (A version before Unity) and work with Wine. No reason to purchase and install Windows 7 on an ancient system with only 64mb of Vram lol.
My primary gaming desktops however use win7. Totally love it^^
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May 16, 2013 6:54:22 PM

For malicious virus writers, this is a great opportunity to target XP vulnerability and steal lots of confidential data after April 2014. Beware of your important data such as credit card number now.
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May 16, 2013 7:10:36 PM

If you have a file called creditcards.txt on your system you deserve to have that info stolen.
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May 16, 2013 7:10:58 PM

If you have a file called creditcards.txt on your system you deserve to have that info stolen.
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May 16, 2013 8:07:28 PM

How to start this...
The mentality is changing and things are getting much better in general for IT but there was a long time that spending for it was put on the back burner. Technology was a tool that you bought once and it lasted forever (or at least that is how upper management looked at it).
In reality it can be looked at similar to car. There will always be repairs that are needed and eventually it just gets too old to run.
Most people are smart, when they buy a car they also start saving for those unexpected repairs and future upgrades. The people complaining that the price is the problem with upgrading were the ones who never did their budget correctly. We are talking $10 a year/per computer and you would have no monetary problems upgrading your computer.
As for those applications that everyone claims to have that only run on XP. I can tell you I have dealt with my fair share of them. The are a pain to deal with because every single one of them is far outdated and no longer supported by the original developer. As in, same story, you didn't budget anything in for upgrades or repairs.
Basically anyone who hasn't updated come April is getting what they deserve when they see their PCI compliance go out the window. Try doing business without running credit cards.
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May 16, 2013 8:12:41 PM

April 1 2014 Lets install Windows XP on that day!
/sarcasm
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May 16, 2013 8:17:20 PM

April 1 2014 Lets install Windows XP on that day!
/sarcasm
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May 16, 2013 9:34:16 PM

all you windows 8 haters, you're only supporting XP because you dislike win8 and the direction M$ is going... fine, I can understand that. but tell me, what's wrong with getting the XP users to move to Win7? seriously... do people know how much of a pain it is to maintain websites for like a hundred different versions of browsers etc due to people not updating their browser/OS? this goes for the software industry as well.
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May 16, 2013 9:40:55 PM

Personally as soon as the new OS goes RTM all support for the OS should end then. Windows XP support should have ended as soon as Vista went RTM no updates no security support nothing. Windows XP was obsolete before Vista even came out and it is even more so now. As for Windows 8 it works just fine with a keyboard and mouse as it does with touch screens.
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May 16, 2013 10:00:21 PM

Looks like it time to start moving to Linux
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May 16, 2013 10:00:30 PM

I doubt if Microsoft will really end support for Windows XP. I think it will support atleast another 9 months after 4/8/14 when Windows 7 ends it's mainstream support on 1/13/15. They might even have to move the end support date to all the way when Vista is dead too due to it's popularity. I think Windows Vista should trade end support dates with Windows XP, no one really uses Vista anymore, only 4.75% usage, comparing to Windows XP's 38.31% usage.
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May 16, 2013 11:12:22 PM

Windows 7 does everything XP does and does it better. No reason not to move onto 7. Now getting people to leave 7 in the future will be the real challenge. Almost unanimously us desktop users HATE metro.
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May 16, 2013 11:46:21 PM

Most large retail chains who still use this on their workstations simply have ghosted XP images that allow access to the server through various workstations that have a number and crudentials and access to server progs and data is broken down by workstation umber. If a computer gets a virus, or starts running really slow, they simply re-image the workstation. Unless it's a worm, or something injected locally, my understanding is those workstations are secure. Why would such an outlet upgrade to W7?
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May 17, 2013 1:30:30 AM

I bet Apple would love to support Windows XP and have more than 9% market share.
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May 17, 2013 2:23:36 AM

I can cram my XP installation in an 10gig partition, in Windows 7 50gig is not enough.
Yeah, hard disk comes cheap this days but defraging a 10gig partition is way faster in my aging rig.
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May 17, 2013 3:00:39 AM

digiex said:
I can cram my XP installation in an 10gig partition, in Windows 7 50gig is not enough.
Yeah, hard disk comes cheap this days but defraging a 10gig partition is way faster in my aging rig.

in Windows 7, defragging has becoming less than an issue since they do it automatically.
Unless your rig run on a 60 GB HDD, i don't see any immediate issue.
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May 17, 2013 3:26:38 AM

I gained sympathy for these windows xp users after windows 8 launched and I found myself reformatting and going backwards to 7.
I suppose the xp guys feel the same way. Microsoft should charge for updates to monetize old software that we won't part with.
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May 17, 2013 4:55:40 AM

these are probably the same people who think global warming is a conspiracy.... its sad when people insist on keeping to the past. upgrading to windows 7 from xp is not hard, backup file son another hdd or external hdd in case of failure then install the upgrade... if i end up getting info leaked and it can be traced to a buisness that was still using xp after april 2014 if they are nto out of buisness yet i'll see em in civil court about the damages
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May 17, 2013 6:08:58 AM

Problem: People are stupid and irresponsible and it makes them lazy and fearful of change.
Solution: Document your efforts to the contrary so that, when it DOES crash and burn, the responsible person gets canned and perhaps YOU can take their place to implement your solution(s).
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May 17, 2013 7:03:28 AM

I run a software business. Customers actually believe the marketing mantra that the latest version is the "latest and greatest". Not always so, especially with stability and security. I can't tell you the number of customers who upgraded everything to have the latest and greatest--against my advice--and ran into problems. Unless there is some new feature you are dying for, don't upgrade. Listen to the familiar saw: if it ain't broken, don't fix it!

Something individual consumers don't understand is how painful and expensive upgrades are for a large business. The software license upgrade is a minuscule part of the expense. Even if the new licenses were free, it would be too expensive. That's why large businesses usually only get new software on new machines.

Plus the store chain owner in the article might be right about Microsoft extending support. They've done it before. If it's true that 38% of Windows machines are XP, it'll be hard not to. Businesses make money by supplying their customer needs. Who has more power, Microsoft or their customers?
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May 17, 2013 7:23:51 AM

g00fysmiley said:
these are probably the same people who think global warming is a conspiracy.... its sad when people insist on keeping to the past. upgrading to windows 7 from xp is not hard, backup file son another hdd or external hdd in case of failure then install the upgrade... if i end up getting info leaked and it can be traced to a buisness that was still using xp after april 2014 if they are not out of business yet i'll see em in civil court about the damages

The business runs 25,000 Point of Sale (POS) terminals on XP. If they upgrade to 8, the barcode scanner receipt printer drivers fail, because no one will write a Windows 8 driver to a scanner and printer that's not sold anymore. Unlike a single upgrade for you, the upgrade for the business is incredibly hard and expensive.

Plus, when they done, are they more secure? Why would anyone think Windows 8 is more secure? It has a gazillion new lines of code that have never been tested in the real world. XP has been pounded on for 10 years. If your info is stolen from Windows 8, will you feel any better?
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May 17, 2013 10:17:33 AM

No more windows updates, oh what will the small businesses do? Most of the small businesses probably don't even install the updates and won't even notice a difference when Microsoft stops supporting XP.
I bet Microsoft is wishing they had an SimCity type model so they could shut off the OS completely and force people to upgrade.
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May 17, 2013 10:22:36 AM

Die XP. Die.
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May 17, 2013 4:30:02 PM

Companies are slow to upgrade because of the high cost. Many use special software geared toward their niche and the cost can be 10s of thousands of dollars to upgrade one computer let alone 100s through out the company. Plus many are tied to very expensive peripherals like $10K plots whose software only runs on the older O/Ss. Companies I know of that have taken the plunge in Windows 8 have had to have them changed to Windows 7. Windows 8 has too many issue for companies to consider right now. Little to no VPN support many versions of popular programs are not supported, unless they buy the new Windows 8 versions. Many hardware device drivers are still not ready. Moving to such a different version of Windows will slow down office productivity while the staff grapples to become familiar with the new O/S. Companies may have to pay for a trainer or pay overtime to try to bring staff up to speed on the Windows 8. I don't expect it to ever become as popular as Vista let alone XP or 7. Windows 8 is simply not a viable choice for business at this time.
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May 17, 2013 4:39:06 PM

I have customers that still support business using Windows 95 and Windows 98SE and they are still chugging along. Many will not change until they have to and they will move to Windows 7 or Linux. Still no demand for Windows 8, MS has to do more educational adverting as to why we need Windows 8, not musicals.
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May 17, 2013 4:39:37 PM

I have customers that still support business using Windows 95 and Windows 98SE and they are still chugging along. Many will not change until they have to and they will move to Windows 7 or Linux. Still no demand for Windows 8, MS has to do more educational adverting as to why we need Windows 8, not musicals.
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May 17, 2013 6:40:43 PM

Unti'll Microsoft can get another version of windows to boot within 10 seconds without an SSD I will stick with Windows XP.
I use XP for speed.
I use Chrome for speed.
I use Google for speed.
I dont need all the other garbage.
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May 18, 2013 9:06:53 AM

Long live XP, best operating system ever :')
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May 19, 2013 10:25:04 AM

Lets time to move new generation...but whatever newer versions of windows comes not like XP
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May 19, 2013 8:59:50 PM

Yes Windows 7 is better than Windows XP, no one would choose to install XP on a new computer.
But issue as many warning as you want, XP is solid enough for small businesses, and those old computers will be replaced after all.
I think the points is don't try to hurt your reputation by forcing people upgrade, when there are still so many people depend on XP, stop supporting it just annoy your costumer, the dead line should be made by them.
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