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YouTube-trained radicals ... should Youtube be at least partly to blame?

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May 24, 2013 8:14:08 AM

http://www.smh.com.au/world/police-arrest-two-more-over...

Is YouTube doing enough to keep this rubbish from contaminating the brains of our youth?

Below is an excerp from the article if your too lazy to click the link.

Should online content owners be help more accountable for allowing material on their sites which encourage this sort of violence?



But much of the ''education'' and radicalisation now happens on home soil, or online. YouTube and other sites carry video sermons from radical clerics.

One of the most-cited is Yemen preacher Anwar al-Awlaki - who was killed by a drone strike in 2011.

The co-founder of Inspire advocated what some officials dubbed the ''just do it'' brand of terrorism, writing, ''Assassinations, bombings and acts of arson are all legitimate forms of revenge against a system that relishes the sacrilege of Islam.''

Awlaki's sermons are continually put on YouTube and other sites, as officials work to have them removed. In one video he advised, ''Don't consult with anybody in killing the Americans - fighting the devil doesn't require consultation.''

Roshonara Choudhry, 21, who was jailed for stabbing East Ham MP Stephen Timms with a kitchen knife in 2010, told police she had been radicalised by Awlaki ''explaining stories from the Koran and explaining about jihad''. ''If you go on YouTube there's a lot of his videos there,'' she told police.

A lot of the radical material online mentions beheading, quoting a verse from the Koran on ''smiting the necks'' of unbelievers.

British authorities have met to determine whether they need to brace for more attacks. But even if the latest murder was not part of a broader plot, it is unlikely these will be the last lone wolves to attempt acts of terror on British soil.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/police-arrest-two-more-over...

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May 24, 2013 8:23:52 AM

Its such a tricky subject because we love our freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

Youtube is still an American company right? - Seriously Im not sure, or how an American companies laws are applied overseas?

I would be down for a removal of some of the really radical stuff specifically calling for the killing of innocent people. Or even some sort of Muslim outreach group they could consult with, one that has a more progressive peaceful version of Islam they are selling.

Or funniest case scenario have the someone dub all the crazy radical videos with new audio. The Audio could be as simple as "Ive been wrong this whole time Pork is delicious, no more killing infidels, Im going to get a drink"
May 24, 2013 8:24:00 AM

YouTube is a communications medium. Traditionally, we don't hold these companies (think phone company, ISP) responsible for content distributed over them.

What is partly to blame, or more accurately responsible, is technology in general and our shrinking world. Radicals living in sparsely populated areas that we used to consider obscure used to reach a larger audience by sending VHS tapes. Before that, radicals like our Founding Fathers used the printing press.

Then came chat rooms, airplanes, email, PGP, YouTube, and a host of other technological advances. All of these made it easier for those who hate us to attack us and share their methods. Without airplanes, very few people from (insert name of terrorist-breeding state here) would be able to come over here to attack Americans. Or would be living under American occupation. So do we blame airplanes?

YouTube is as much to blame as the airplane. We don't hold the airline that flew a bomber over here for terrorism, we don't blame the cellphone service provider they used to coordinate, why should we blame the social media site they used to recruit? All of these things made it easier for them to succeed, but that does not equate to blame.
May 24, 2013 11:32:20 PM

The president sure holds it as responsible, or those that make them.
Even talking about them and exaggerating.

I guess we can stop it here, but it wont really stop it. Problem with readily available content is, is takes much longer with much higher risks til saturation happens.
Perilous times these are, much more so than a group living in their own land having to pay taxes, not allowed to defend themselves, and to be told how to live, what to do, not to do by foreigners, basically a potential nanny state, owned by others.
May 25, 2013 9:19:45 AM

I agree OMG.
Just as theres limits to free speech, theres limits here as well.
The hits and giggles parade has to have lines, even if it means a few bucks lost, a few commonly accepted limitations as well, but again, if you really want them, people will get them, which by the way, would make it easier to define who these people are, and why they peruse such things, and be easier to proclaim what their intentions are, and not go off on this unknown we currently have, where our leaders are stymied on what to say, what to call what, and whos doing it.
But this isnt a progressive thought, it is a conservative one, and so, it wont fly
May 25, 2013 10:11:10 AM

To clarify who these people are, lets look at this link, a very liberal/progressive thing, a government funded/tax funded radio.
This is an agneda, not a common sense thing.
The weaker amongst us have taken it up as their cause, and o too I feel as things as it relates to the OP in our country, but mainly others, in like ways and forms.
Indoctrination.
Read my link, as a neutral employee of a national media asks about common core.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/06/12...
The guy from NPR is adamant that we have this here in my state, even beyond someone whos suppodely liberal, a democrat, and shows that Minnesotas standards and results are superior.
Yet this NPR man wont let it go, as if this democrat isnt doing her job by not adopting this indoctinational crap.

Now, place yourself as a young person, where God is everywhere and in everything, from the laws to the leaders, to the parents, where its OK to slaughter unfaithful wives and promiscuous daughters, and then watch certain youtube links.
So, before anyone dismisses this and raises their so called freedoms or rights to a complete and open level, I remember a time when certain things were kept from youth, and the always "theyll do it anyways" attitude, where I come in with, if its downsized and limited, its easier to se and follow such a problem, "freedom" be damned, or common sense be raised
May 25, 2013 6:49:30 PM

Currently, more and more, anti immigration leaders are becoming more and more popular in Europe.
Its typical European, they let things build til they have to fight their neighbors back.
One good thing is, Germany has a strict/conservative immigration set up, and doesnt have the problems the more liberal countries do, but I hold, Germany still loves German is why.

Even some libs here are finding diversity isnt what its all cracked up to be, and using immigration to break down conservatism of the old ways is now being questioned here and abroad.
Assimilation isnt happening in many countries, and is partly why my thread about the left and religion counts so much today, as they dont have any, or many dont, or is watered down, and they simply dont understand whats coming. They cant even call something for what it is, and go out of their way to protect it, while smashing the old values.
It used to be, assimilation would happen within 2-3 generations, where now were finding those whove never been of a faith killing en masse, and still some cant call it or see it for what it is, instead its analyzed and watered down, where to them, other groups arent doing this, so WE must be doing something wrong, Thats proof they have no clue
May 26, 2013 6:02:54 AM

Extremist content should be banned from Youtube ... any ideological content advocating that people should disobey local laws and kill other people ... that sort of thing.

Hey Mr Google ... your reading this??

Sadly Google is more worried about their revinue stream ... and sending websites cease and desist orders relating to having YouTube Downloader links active on their sites ...

We do our best to remove these links becuase we think its the right thing to do ... we respect Google.

Google needs to man up and stop radicals from putting training videos and radical messages of hate on their servers.

In short Mr Google, your moderators need to clean up your site ...
May 26, 2013 6:06:34 AM

I gave a few examples, and tried to imagine how things are perceived abroad.
Now, we have many instances where things can cause extreme reactions in people.
They should be checked out by like minded people of good standing, then listen to them
May 26, 2013 11:46:02 AM

Especially since most believers are no different in one main way.
They are to serve no other God.
Whether you kill to achieve this for/to your neighbor isnt found in most religions.

Assuming you kill innocents is OK, using that logic, so is using drones and collateral damage doesnt matter, so whats their point to begin with?
Maybe just to kill?
No, Im thinking its power over others.
May 27, 2013 3:49:21 AM

Oldmangamer_73 said:
This is not the first time the world has had to deal with this.

i.e read the last 1200 years of history.

I'm a live and let live kind of guy but when you are faced with a doctrine of domination, submission, and control I don't think I can go along. Interesting time we live in no?


Yeah ... we should put you in charge of something.

I'm not quite sure what tho ...
May 28, 2013 5:56:04 AM

Remove politics and religiion from YouTube. :) 
May 28, 2013 12:45:13 PM

Shut down you tube......Problem solved.
May 28, 2013 2:06:59 PM

IdiotTube brought us things like Katy Perry and Justin Bieber. It should go away.
May 28, 2013 6:24:57 PM

Reynod said:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/police-arrest-two-more-over...

Is YouTube doing enough to keep this rubbish from contaminating the brains of our youth?

Below is an excerp from the article if your too lazy to click the link.

Should online content owners be help more accountable for allowing material on their sites which encourage this sort of violence?



But much of the ''education'' and radicalisation now happens on home soil, or online. YouTube and other sites carry video sermons from radical clerics.

One of the most-cited is Yemen preacher Anwar al-Awlaki - who was killed by a drone strike in 2011.

The co-founder of Inspire advocated what some officials dubbed the ''just do it'' brand of terrorism, writing, ''Assassinations, bombings and acts of arson are all legitimate forms of revenge against a system that relishes the sacrilege of Islam.''

Awlaki's sermons are continually put on YouTube and other sites, as officials work to have them removed. In one video he advised, ''Don't consult with anybody in killing the Americans - fighting the devil doesn't require consultation.''

Roshonara Choudhry, 21, who was jailed for stabbing East Ham MP Stephen Timms with a kitchen knife in 2010, told police she had been radicalised by Awlaki ''explaining stories from the Koran and explaining about jihad''. ''If you go on YouTube there's a lot of his videos there,'' she told police.

A lot of the radical material online mentions beheading, quoting a verse from the Koran on ''smiting the necks'' of unbelievers.

British authorities have met to determine whether they need to brace for more attacks. But even if the latest murder was not part of a broader plot, it is unlikely these will be the last lone wolves to attempt acts of terror on British soil.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/police-arrest-two-more-over...
I totally agree with you You Tube is a big influence on these sick minds watching these agitating videos of our youth be coming radicalized.

May 29, 2013 5:09:49 AM

Wooahh ... hold on there ... the tube is great ... it just needs better moderation.

I love watching those Rusky car crash videos and the old scifi movies from the 50's and 60's ... plus the live music videos and the trillions of crazy bloopers.

We just need the violent nutters removed.

Please leave glenn Beck there so we can moon and lampoon him tho ...
:) 
July 1, 2013 12:29:55 PM

Youtube to blame? OK then next will be bathroom walls...........this is just silly.
July 3, 2013 5:30:37 AM

Your out of your depth ... float back up the top donut.
July 3, 2013 5:48:29 AM

Reynod said:
Wooahh ... hold on there ... the tube is great ... it just needs better moderation.

I love watching those Rusky car crash videos and the old scifi movies from the 50's and 60's ... plus the live music videos and the trillions of crazy bloopers.

We just need the violent nutters removed.

Please leave glenn Beck there so we can moon and lampoon him tho ...
:) 


You forgot the tinfoil hat designer and tool Alex Jones
July 3, 2013 5:50:33 AM

Blaming Youtube is then fodder for censorship and removes the critical thinking regarding common sense.
July 4, 2013 4:59:21 AM

What I meant is that if you host content and then moderate it, you should do a decent job of moderating the content.

Youtube moderates their content ... they simply do a poor job of it.

Allowing content which is highly offensive, encouraging people to violent acts on the basis of circular thinking or tautological intent (read this as a typical extremist religious persecution complex) is simply encouraging anarchism.

Videos on how to cause mass destruction, make explosives and engage in wanton terror should be taken down immediately.

Hosting sites should be held accountable to some sort of standards.

If Marketing and Media can apply such standards, then why can't YouTube?

Nobody said your free will was going to be suppressed ... its just that if you want to take an existentialist approach then the second tenet needs to equally apply - responsibility for your actions.

I apologise for the previous post if you can write a reasonable reply.
July 6, 2013 2:24:49 AM

Good example ... remember that one where the guy gets thrown out of the truck after the high speed chase on the freeway then run over?

Man ... that shouldn't be on the tube.

Likewise the truck with its tray up that goes through the pedestrian bridge ... people died there.

July 8, 2013 7:44:58 AM

Youtube or not, the information is out there. Youtube is a central location.. which should be easier to lock down. I remember seeing the Terrorist's Handbook and Anarchist's Cook Book on the internet back in 98-99.
July 9, 2013 8:47:00 AM

Censorship will never work, never has, never will.
July 16, 2013 6:44:30 AM

Like you speak with any authority on this topic eh?

It can work easily when your running some decent algorythyms searching and deleting stuff on a system that occupies the floor of a large building or two.

Take the Chinese for example ... they chase and delete millions of files, posts and even crunch internal IP's at the drop of a hat in order to control their peons from thinking they have free will.

But laws there are simply for convenience.

If the tube can censor some things it should be censoring others ... or become liable for promoting terrorist activity.

They censor sex ... but not terrorism?

That's unacceptable.

I have yet to see any porn stars blowing ... wait ...
July 16, 2013 6:56:21 AM

Rey can censor people. It's called BanHammer.
July 16, 2013 7:10:15 AM

But Tom's is a private entity and subject to their rules...So is Youtube. Don't like it don't watch it. I don't like some of the assbags on Youtube and choose not to watch, 's the deal? Write Youtube and volunteer to scan all videos everyday that fall under your screening process and flag them. Youtube is open for anyone to use for whatever reason you choose. If someone complains then it is up to the owner and/or administrator to do whatever they choose to do with the content.......BTW, ever hear of the NSA? And what they track?
July 16, 2013 7:15:55 AM

Beachnative said:
Censorship will never work, never has, never will.


How do you know?
July 16, 2013 7:25:30 AM

OK, I'll "splain how it works... Dumbass terrorists make the videos and different types of people will watch them. The NSA will track who, when, comments made and other factors that help fight it.
You are looking at the glass half empty approach. By allowing them, they are in a public forum and easily tracked by the above techniques. By censoring it users will go to harder to reach sites...but not completely out of reach : ) It's called intellegence gathering

Heck they are probably watching us and what we are talking about.
July 16, 2013 7:44:14 AM

Is it me you are answering to?
Because the question was "how do you know?", and no "how does it works?"
July 16, 2013 7:59:02 AM

In the context of the original post and my above message, it should be clear.
July 16, 2013 8:08:59 AM

Read a book on recent terrorism tracking. I mean, there have been plenty out there along with articles, etc. Ever wonder why they stopped using cell phones and they don't have internet connections in their homes? Hmm.
July 16, 2013 8:18:25 AM

Beachnative said:
In the context of the original post and my above message, it should be clear.


Maybe it is. Maybe i didn't get everything in your messages. Sorry if this is the case.

But when i asked you to explain how you know that censorship has never worked, i was expecting something else than "terrorism".
Censorship is a little older than 9/11/2001

July 16, 2013 10:22:59 AM

gropouce said:
Beachnative said:
In the context of the original post and my above message, it should be clear.


Maybe it is. Maybe i didn't get everything in your messages. Sorry if this is the case.

But when i asked you to explain how you know that censorship has never worked, i was expecting something else than "terrorism".
Censorship is a little older than 9/11/2001



He was censored when replying.
July 17, 2013 4:03:13 AM

Wasn't me ... I let idiots write themselves against into a corner.

I only deleted your post over at my news roundup out of spite .. .actually I was too lazy to post an esay on how I was there at the beginning of the interwibble, and explaining the great tradition begun by Mike Magee on that partcicular type of tech journalism ... <sigh>.

Wonder if Beach Nitive knows your one of the men in black he has been babbling on about ?
July 17, 2013 7:16:46 AM

gropouce said:
Beachnative said:
In the context of the original post and my above message, it should be clear.


Maybe it is. Maybe i didn't get everything in your messages. Sorry if this is the case.

But when i asked you to explain how you know that censorship has never worked, i was expecting something else than "terrorism".
Censorship is a little older than 9/11/2001



FYI terrorism has been around longer than 2001. By not censoring videos of terrorism the logic should come down to looking into those that watch them and monitor them. Using relative filtering and searching for key words makes the search field much, much smaller. This a simple statistical model filtered by keywords and associates. But I don't know anything...just guessing................................................................... ... .. .
July 17, 2013 7:20:50 AM

Reynod said:
Wasn't me ... I let idiots write themselves against into a corner.

I only deleted your post over at my news roundup out of spite .. .actually I was too lazy to post an esay on how I was there at the beginning of the interwibble, and explaining the great tradition begun by Mike Magee on that partcicular type of tech journalism ... <sigh>.

Wonder if Beach Nitive knows your one of the men in black he has been babbling on about ?


And your a moderator? Nice
July 18, 2013 6:00:25 AM

Aww Beachy I'm playing with you ... riser has moderator priviledges since he has been here since tom turned the light on and we found wingy naked on the porch ... so he can see what I did there and probably doesn't care ... if he did he would reverse it ... We often play pranks on each other.

I do take my role seriously ... just not in news and leisure ... unless your breaking the ToS.

Since you have not been here long, you also don't know what real jobs some of these oldtimers have ... like running the planet, holding back the evil hordes ... and water quality engineering (just had to get that in for you oldmangamer).

Not everyone here is a millionaire retiree macaddict with 8 wives living in a condo the coast in the Philippines like marv.

:) 
July 18, 2013 6:37:45 AM

Reynod said:
Aww Beachy I'm playing with you ... riser has moderator priviledges since he has been here since tom turned the light on and we found wingy naked on the porch ... so he can see what I did there and probably doesn't care ... if he did he would reverse it ... We often play pranks on each other.

I do take my role seriously ... just not in news and leisure ... unless your breaking the ToS.

Since you have not been here long, you also don't know what real jobs some of these oldtimers have ... like running the planet, holding back the evil hordes ... and water quality engineering (just had to get that in for you oldmangamer).

Not everyone here is a millionaire retiree macaddict with 8 wives living in a condo the coast in the Philippines like marv.

:) 


Props to yas for being honest. Been having a B$#ch of a past week myself... The two jobs I have are cutting into time for a new business I'm starting.
July 18, 2013 7:26:49 AM

Reynod said:
Aww Beachy I'm playing with you ... riser has moderator priviledges since he has been here since tom turned the light on and we found wingy naked on the porch ... so he can see what I did there and probably doesn't care ... if he did he would reverse it ... We often play pranks on each other.

I do take my role seriously ... just not in news and leisure ... unless your breaking the ToS.

Since you have not been here long, you also don't know what real jobs some of these oldtimers have ... like running the planet, holding back the evil hordes ... and water quality engineering (just had to get that in for you oldmangamer).

Not everyone here is a millionaire retiree macaddict with 8 wives living in a condo the coast in the Philippines like marv.

:) 


You know that no one here actually knew I was a moderator? :)  But that's ok.. with the last forum change I lost all my rights anyhow. /shrug
July 18, 2013 8:38:48 AM

Damn ... well you can unretire ... we will give you back your old Jaeger.

In the meantime keep BeachNative busy down here so he doesn't go back and infect the donuts up the top of the forum ... now he has been here a few weeks there is no going back ... there is only the French forums for this lot.

July 18, 2013 9:20:35 AM

Irish Pub Declares War on France

Jacques Chirac, The French President, is sitting in his office when his telephone rings.

"Hallo, Mr. Chirac!" a heavily accented voice said. "This is Paddy Down at the Harp Pub in County Clare, Ireland. I am ringing to inform you that we are officially declaring war on you!"

"Well, Paddy," Chirac replied, "This is indeed important news! How big is your army?"

"Right now," says Paddy, after a moment's calculation, "there is myself, me Cousin Sean, me next door neighbour Seamus, and the entire darts team from the pub. That makes eight!"

Chirac paused. "I must tell you, Paddy, that I have 100,000 men in my army waiting to move on my command."

"Begoora!" says Paddy. "I'll have to ring you back."

Sure enough, the next day, Paddy calls again. "Mr . Chirac, the war is still on. We have managed to get us some infantry equipment!"

"And what equipment would that be Paddy?" Chirac asks.

"Well, we have two combines, a bulldozer, and Murphy's farm tractor."

Chirac sighs amused. "I must tell you, Paddy, that I have 6,000 tanks and 5,000 armored personnel carriers. Also, I have increased my army to 150,000 since we last spoke."

"Saints preserve us!" says Paddy. "I'll have to get back to you."

Sure enough, Paddy rings again the next day. "Mr. Chirac, the war is still on! We have managed to get ourselves airborne! We have modified Jackie McLaughlin's ultra-light with a couple of shotguns in the cockpit, and four boys from the Shamrock Bar have joined us as well!"

Chirac was silent for a minute and then cleared his throat. "I must tell you, Paddy, that I have 100 bombers and 200 fighter planes. My military bases are surrounded by laser-guided, surface-to-air missile sites. And since we last spoke, I have increased my army to 200,000!"

"Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!" says Paddy, "I will have to ring you back."

Sure enough, Paddy calls again the next day. "Top o' the mornin', Mr. Chirac! I am sorry to inform you that we have had to call off the war."

"Really? I am sorry to hear that," says Chirac. "Why the sudden change of heart?"

"Well," says Paddy, "we had a long chat over a few pints of Guinness, and decided there is no fookin' way we can feed 200,000 prisoners."
July 18, 2013 9:19:41 PM

Sweet
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