The GeForce GTX 770 Review: Calling In A Hit On Radeon HD 7970?
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Wait, the new GeForce GTX 770 is powered by Nvidia's old GK104? That's right. And guess what? The card is faster, quieter, more feature-complete, and less expensive than the GeForce GTX 680 that came before it. Can it usurp the compelling Radeon HD 7970?
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jessterman21
May 30, 2013 6:09:34 AM
GMPoisoN
May 30, 2013 6:27:25 AM
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EzioAs
May 30, 2013 6:32:30 AM
Thanks for the article.
Kind of an expected performance increase. Seeing overclocked GTX 680 review was conclusive enough unless you've never seen one. Never expected this card to be getting the Smart Buy award though to be completely honest.
Hey, how about another title for the review?
- GTX 680 Gets a New Cooler, BIOS Update and Price Drop! -
No? I'll think of a better one...
Kind of an expected performance increase. Seeing overclocked GTX 680 review was conclusive enough unless you've never seen one. Never expected this card to be getting the Smart Buy award though to be completely honest.
Hey, how about another title for the review?
- GTX 680 Gets a New Cooler, BIOS Update and Price Drop! -
No? I'll think of a better one...
Score
22
CarolKarine
May 30, 2013 6:47:36 AM
the fact that every single site is comparing nvidia's next-gen stuff with AMD's current gen stuff kinda sickens me. don't start throwing around "Nvidia's got this gen in the bag" till we see what AMD comes up with. they've had what, 1 1/2, 2 years? I'm hoping for GCN 2 and a die shrink on a new architecture.
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-25
iknowhowtofixit
May 30, 2013 6:48:43 AM
When you factor in the 4 games that come with the HD7970 GHz Edition, it is still cheaper than the GTX 770. I find it odd that nVidia had over a year to come up with something to beat AMD in single GPU performance at this price point but failed to deliver.
Yes, there is a bit of power savings. Yes, multi-GPU performance is better. But, that is nothing new. I also wouldn't expect future drivers to deliver much in the way of performance improvements since this card is essentially a GTX 680 v2.
Ultimately, I expected more from nVidia. Yes, this is a polished card out of the gate. But I'm not sure the release of this card will affect AMDs bottom line as things currently stand, performance wise.
Yes, there is a bit of power savings. Yes, multi-GPU performance is better. But, that is nothing new. I also wouldn't expect future drivers to deliver much in the way of performance improvements since this card is essentially a GTX 680 v2.
Ultimately, I expected more from nVidia. Yes, this is a polished card out of the gate. But I'm not sure the release of this card will affect AMDs bottom line as things currently stand, performance wise.
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3
Memnarchon
May 30, 2013 6:49:33 AM
Novuake
May 30, 2013 6:53:24 AM
rmpumper
May 30, 2013 6:56:06 AM
tlg
May 30, 2013 7:02:18 AM
GMPoisoN
May 30, 2013 7:05:48 AM
iknowhowtofixit said:
When you factor in the 4 games that come with the HD7970 GHz Edition, it is still cheaper than the GTX 770. I find it odd that nVidia had over a year to come up with something to beat AMD in single GPU performance at this price point but failed to deliver. Yes, there is a bit of power savings. Yes, multi-GPU performance is better. But, that is nothing new. I also wouldn't expect future drivers to deliver much in the way of performance improvements since this card is essentially a GTX 680 v2.
Ultimately, I expected more from nVidia. Yes, this is a polished card out of the gate. But I'm not sure the release of this card will affect AMDs bottom line as things currently stand, performance wise.
Agreed. Sapphire 7970 Ghz ftw <3
Score
-4
SiliconWars
May 30, 2013 7:06:02 AM
CaptainTom
May 30, 2013 7:10:02 AM
Some people think this is meh, some think it is great, but the answer is really in-between.
-This should force the 7970's down a little.
-This should have been about 10% stronger with its crazy high clocks.
Bottom line: AMD really won't care much because of their bundles. Look at the 7850 prices. They really haven't budged more than $10, and they are still selling like hotcakes!
-This should force the 7970's down a little.
-This should have been about 10% stronger with its crazy high clocks.
Bottom line: AMD really won't care much because of their bundles. Look at the 7850 prices. They really haven't budged more than $10, and they are still selling like hotcakes!
Score
8
jbc029
May 30, 2013 7:13:23 AM
So nvidia has delivered a 680 at near max overclock out of the box and called it a 770? Guess I shouldn't be surprised. How many names did the 8800gt live under? The *entirety* of the performance bump is due to the out-of-the-box overclock.
So they've released their "GE edition" 680 after getting smashed by the 7970 over the last six months, and thrown in a price drop. They needed it, because the neither the 670 nor 680 were worth it after AMD got their drivers sorted out, unless you were using SLI.
So they've released their "GE edition" 680 after getting smashed by the 7970 over the last six months, and thrown in a price drop. They needed it, because the neither the 670 nor 680 were worth it after AMD got their drivers sorted out, unless you were using SLI.
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19
DjEaZy
May 30, 2013 7:22:49 AM
ohyouknow
May 30, 2013 7:22:57 AM
pretty package 680.
For those looking to jump into the GPU market, it can be a solid buy. But GHZ editions from Gigabyte, Sapphire, XFX can also be found at the same $400 price range with aftermarket coolers as well. Includes gaming bundle for those who want those games. No $50 advantage.
4gb 770 card would be the same cost as a high-end GHZ edition. Sapphire Vapor-X so on and so forth.
For those looking to jump into the GPU market, it can be a solid buy. But GHZ editions from Gigabyte, Sapphire, XFX can also be found at the same $400 price range with aftermarket coolers as well. Includes gaming bundle for those who want those games. No $50 advantage.
4gb 770 card would be the same cost as a high-end GHZ edition. Sapphire Vapor-X so on and so forth.
Score
11
RazberyBandit
May 30, 2013 7:23:30 AM
Rafeed Iqbal
May 30, 2013 7:26:00 AM
de5_Roy
May 30, 2013 7:30:17 AM
$400 is a great deal for the performance.
Plus you know you can add a second card without having to deal with the microstutter the competition presents.
Because I always run with two cards, AMD isn't even under my consideration. If AMD gets their multi-card issues with microstutter straightened out, I'll be looking at what they have to offer again.
Plus you know you can add a second card without having to deal with the microstutter the competition presents.
Because I always run with two cards, AMD isn't even under my consideration. If AMD gets their multi-card issues with microstutter straightened out, I'll be looking at what they have to offer again.
Score
8
EzioAs
May 30, 2013 7:46:40 AM
Memnarchon said:
EzioAsNever expected this card to be getting the Smart Buy award though to be completely honest.
Better power consumption than 7970GE.
Less noise than 7970GE.
Runs cooler than 7970GE.
Same FPS as 7970GE.
$50 less cost.
Yeah indeed, why to get the Smart Buy award I wonder...
I'll give you the reasons why I don't think the Smart Buy was necessary.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
All of the above cards are running at 1000MHz on the core which makes them somewhat a GHz edition card, yet they still cost $400. They all have custom design cooler which is generally better than pretty much any reference cooler, even the new Nvidia reference cooler. Heck, even this review proves that http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-770-gk1.... The cooler use on this review are not 100% similar to the ones on the HD 7970 cards links above but it applies. That disproves your heat and noise performance points.
For power consumption, during Bitmining and under maximum load, yes, the GTX 770 is marginally lower, but under typical gaming load, it's close enough that it doesn't matter much. Anandtech also shows quite similar results. Performance is quite similar indeed, but there's also the extra VRAM and game bundles that comes with HD7970 which doesn't show any sign of slowing down just yet.
To end, I don't think any awards was necessary. In my opinion, THG should probably reserve any recommendations for the monthly buyers guide. Not that I don't like the GTX 770, but prices do change and for new cards especially, those with non-reference design coolers will cost significantly more which probably is the results of manufacturers trying to rip-off uninformed and always-assume-new-is-better buyers.
Score
2
mindkiller316
May 30, 2013 7:57:10 AM
I've noticed that in single card performance the 7970 performs well in Hitman and Tomb Raider, 2 games optimized to work well with AMD products. Now considering that all games are nothing but console ports and the next Gen consoles are supporting AMD designs, I'm wondering if this is a trend we might be seeing more frequently. I'm curious to see what gaming performance looks like in another year.
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5
Au_equus
May 30, 2013 7:58:04 AM
the guys at anandtech were able to add another 100MHz to the core clock and bump the memory to an effective 8GHz:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6994/nvidia-geforce-gtx-7...
The OC'd 770 still couldn't get a whiff of the 780 in terms of performance, but the fact they did do that is impressive.
IMO, 680's in SLI hold their own and are more than sufficient to wait for the Maxwell/gtx800 series.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6994/nvidia-geforce-gtx-7...
The OC'd 770 still couldn't get a whiff of the 780 in terms of performance, but the fact they did do that is impressive.
IMO, 680's in SLI hold their own and are more than sufficient to wait for the Maxwell/gtx800 series.
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1
sincreator
May 30, 2013 8:05:29 AM
mindkiller316I've noticed that in single card performance the 7970 performs well in Hitman and Tomb Raider, 2 games optimized to work well with AMD products. Now considering that all games are nothing but console ports and the next Gen consoles are supporting AMD designs, I'm wondering if this is a trend we might be seeing more frequently. I'm curious to see what gaming performance looks like in another year.
I've been wondering the same thing. Are games going to start coming out fully optimised for AMD, and force Nvidia to wait a little longer for driver fixes? That would switch things up a bit on the driver front, I'm sure. It used to be the other way around with the TWIMTBP program...
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0
zeratul600
May 30, 2013 8:05:39 AM
I dont like how you guys compare cards, you compare apus taking into consideration gaming and calculation prowess but with video cards you only take gaming into account, while nvidia cards are really crippled in that area... i dont thing that you can say that this card its better than a 7970 just because it is slightly cheaper (less ram), and like half of the computing power of a 7970, perhaps in gaming it stands toe to toe, but in the other aspect it not so much (but i must admit that noise en power consumption doesn't appeal top me, cheap energy in venezuela and my sound system i loud enough)javascript:%20void(0);
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-6
Geekkid
May 30, 2013 8:08:50 AM
What I get out of this is if you don't plan on ever upgrading to a second card, the 7970 is still a solid buy, particularly in regards to the compute performance and the great overclocking potential, but if you have any desire to go with a multiple card solution, the GTX 770 is the clear winner every time.
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5
roman1024
May 30, 2013 8:09:36 AM
The_Trutherizer
May 30, 2013 8:12:12 AM
CarolKarine
May 30, 2013 8:28:55 AM
BigMack70 said:
CarolKarinethe fact that every single site is comparing nvidia's next-gen stuff with AMD's current gen stuff kinda sickens me. don't start throwing around "Nvidia's got this gen in the bag" till we see what AMD comes up with. they've had what, 1 1/2, 2 years? I'm hoping for GCN 2 and a die shrink on a new architecture.
It kinda sickens me that people like you don't seem to read the article before commenting. If you read the article, you would know there is nothing next gen about this card other than the sticker.
I guess I should have clarified. I'm sick of people comparing gk110 and tahiti.
Score
-9
sarinaide
May 30, 2013 8:34:39 AM
It is not a new architecture but it is a hefty revision to GK104 and its being pitted against a Tahiti core that is approaching 2 years old, this is testiment to how AMD have refreshed the 7970's life and still is an attractive proposition, to outlast GTX600 which barely made a year and still go strong is kudo's to just how impressive GCN is.
We called it a month ago and faster clocks, faster memory, faster bandwidth all to equal the 7970 while it may seem impressive now this could dramatically change now AMD know the goal posts.
We called it a month ago and faster clocks, faster memory, faster bandwidth all to equal the 7970 while it may seem impressive now this could dramatically change now AMD know the goal posts.
Score
1
Sakkura
May 30, 2013 8:39:01 AM
MemnarchonBetter power consumption than 7970GE.Less noise than 7970GE.Runs cooler than 7970GE.Same FPS as 7970GE.$50 less cost.Yeah indeed, why to get the Smart Buy award I wonder...
It should be compared to the regular 7970, which is still going to be cheaper than this card. The 7970 is just as good as the GHz edition, because you can get exactly the same performance when overclocked. The thermal limit isn't changed by the sticker on the side.
The same applies to the GTX 770, which overclocks poorly.
So for single-GPU usage, this card is mediocre value. It's great for SLI though.
I'm looking forward to the GTX 760 Ti though, if Nvidia mirrors the 600 series then it should be better value than the GTX 770.
Score
0
vmem
May 30, 2013 8:49:21 AM
so while this is impressive and certainly worth the "smart buy" award, I guess Nvidia doesn't want to offer us next gen (GK110) level performance unless we cough up $650+... this is a $150 price increase and the market seems ok with it...
given how business works, AMD's next-gen flagship will be priced similarly, maybe $700 - 600 with a nice games bundle. god I my wallet just had an aneurism...
given how business works, AMD's next-gen flagship will be priced similarly, maybe $700 - 600 with a nice games bundle. god I my wallet just had an aneurism...
Score
0
eklipz330
May 30, 2013 8:51:12 AM
Novuake
May 30, 2013 9:00:52 AM
Wow aggressive pricing. Nice to see that from Nvidia right of the bat...
No surprise as to the OCing results. Since they basically increased clocks to achieve better performance already, can not expect Kepler to go any further.
Seems like we are in for some fun, if you want to OC though the choices are slim... Lets hope the GTX760ti comes with a 256bit bus AND agressive timing, now THAT would be an awesome!
No surprise as to the OCing results. Since they basically increased clocks to achieve better performance already, can not expect Kepler to go any further.
Seems like we are in for some fun, if you want to OC though the choices are slim... Lets hope the GTX760ti comes with a 256bit bus AND agressive timing, now THAT would be an awesome!
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3
sarinaide
May 30, 2013 9:00:57 AM
SiliconWarsNone of Nvidia's partners are using the reference cooler so this is just a scam to get better turbo clock speeds and good scores on quiet and cool operation. You've been had Chris and now you've spread Nvidia's lies to your readership.
The story clearly states that the number of reference-based designs will be small. Even then, the partner cards are running cooler and faster. I just prefer the version that exhausts all of its heat, so that's the one I'd recommend. Thanks,
Chris
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6
Zagen30
May 30, 2013 9:08:31 AM
RazberyBanditWhatever happened to multi-resolution tests? Most people don't own a 30" 1440P monitor...
I'd like to do more of this. Unfortunately, the FCAT testing gives us a maximum resolution of 2560x1440 (our screens are 27", btw, and only cost $400 each). With that said there *is* a way to do 5760x1080 testing using FCAT--we basically only capture the video from the display with the overlay running on it. This would double the time commitment, though. I think it's definitely warranted for a follow-up piece that doesn't involve an embargo. I certainly found myself asking how each multi-GPU config would behave at 57x10. Great request.
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3
sarinaide
May 30, 2013 9:18:10 AM
I have a question and its regarding the defensive attitude in re: "Bitcoin mining", now we are not questioning the value of mining but whether the part is capable of producing acceptable Compute performance and it would have been simpler to just say no rather than dance around the point that yet again Nvidia's Compute that is not CUDA or optimized is pretty diabolical.
Since we knew from 2011 GCN was designed on not only gaming performance but General purpose computing as well, so the fact that AMD is far ahead is no indictment against Nvidia as clearly Kepler was not designed for this.
Since we knew from 2011 GCN was designed on not only gaming performance but General purpose computing as well, so the fact that AMD is far ahead is no indictment against Nvidia as clearly Kepler was not designed for this.
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0
maxinexus
May 30, 2013 9:21:20 AM
ingtar33
May 30, 2013 9:27:50 AM
i like how you're talking a price drop. this is a PRICE INCREASE.
670 - 350
770 - 400
they just raised the price of their x70 series cards $50 or 15% and you're crowing it from the mountaintops that this is a price drop. You're playing straight into nvidia's marketing strategy. They raised the price of their x80 chips by 45% and gave us a 20% performance upgrade. They raised the x70 series by 15% and gave us about a 10% increase in performance.
We'll see the whole nvidia lineup go up in price this round, for what is effectively a refresh series.
They played you THG, and you fell for it. This won't drive down the price of anything. This is a massive price increase for the end user, and you're giving it a smart buy award. Shame on you.
670 - 350
770 - 400
they just raised the price of their x70 series cards $50 or 15% and you're crowing it from the mountaintops that this is a price drop. You're playing straight into nvidia's marketing strategy. They raised the price of their x80 chips by 45% and gave us a 20% performance upgrade. They raised the x70 series by 15% and gave us about a 10% increase in performance.
We'll see the whole nvidia lineup go up in price this round, for what is effectively a refresh series.
They played you THG, and you fell for it. This won't drive down the price of anything. This is a massive price increase for the end user, and you're giving it a smart buy award. Shame on you.
Score
3
MemnarchonBetter power consumption than 7970GE.Less noise than 7970GE.Runs cooler than 7970GE.Same FPS as 7970GE.$50 less cost.Yeah indeed, why to get the Smart Buy award I wonder...
And remember that this is larger affected by the card's performance in dual-card configurations. Two 770s for $800 > 1 GTX 690 for $1,000 > 1 GTX Titan for $1,000. The 780 is fast, but not $650 fast, IMO. And for the price of two, you could have *three* 770s with $150 left over. 7970 doesn't get recommended in any multi-card config.
Score
5
sarinaide
May 30, 2013 9:37:17 AM
maxinexus said:
Still not enough incentive to move from 7970 but it is nice to see nvidia cards now I want to see what AMD hold up its sleeve.AMD doesn't need to throw its hand as they have a lot working in their favor now, first being Nvidia have thrown the 600 and 700 family against the GCN architecture which is a year older than Kepler and still delivering, we also know AMD have impressive power gating seen with the 7790 being a 128Bit card delivering close to the 650ti boost and 7850 performance while operating at the 7770's power. So GCN has evolved better and now the other factor, Nvidia is stuck whether they like it with GTX700 and masses of unsold GTX600 SKU's to carry them to Q4 2014 where only then has TSMC made new yields available to Nvidia, it is also no secret that AMD have first dibsies on TSMC's 20nm yield and where there is rumour it derives from some hearsay and the hearsay regards volcanic islands and the potential it may have, we heard double the resources and less power but we also know that AMD have had stacked RAM for some time now. So to the point Nvidia are stranded and all AMD needs is the knockout blow and what would be any more crushing than the speculated performance of volcanic islands.
That said I fully expect AMD to release the Sea Islands parts in due course as it will just match up again and let AMD undercut Nvidia into frustration again.
Score
-1
Novuake
May 30, 2013 9:42:34 AM
vmem said:
so while this is impressive and certainly worth the "smart buy" award, I guess Nvidia doesn't want to offer us next gen (GK110) level performance unless we cough up $650+... this is a $150 price increase and the market seems ok with it...given how business works, AMD's next-gen flagship will be priced similarly, maybe $700 - 600 with a nice games bundle. god I my wallet just had an aneurism...
Aneurisms are a bad thing??? You mean orgasm...
Anyway... Referring to the highlighted part... Its not only that Nvidia does not want to, its that that GK110 chip is HUGE and complicated... Manufacturing it is no joke. Its the largest mainstream chip ever to come out! The Titan was never mainstream...
Consider that.
Score
-2
Novuake
May 30, 2013 9:45:06 AM
cangelini said:
MemnarchonBetter power consumption than 7970GE.Less noise than 7970GE.Runs cooler than 7970GE.Same FPS as 7970GE.$50 less cost.Yeah indeed, why to get the Smart Buy award I wonder...
And remember that this is larger affected by the card's performance in dual-card configurations. Two 770s for $800 > 1 GTX 690 for $1,000 > 1 GTX Titan for $1,000. The 780 is fast, but not $650 fast, IMO. And for the price of two, you could have *three* 770s with $150 left over. 7970 doesn't get recommended in any multi-card config.
Yeah I figure that too. Kinda think this it is just another stunt. GK110 is underwhelming for manufacturing costs, me thinks...
Score
0
EzioAs
May 30, 2013 9:45:52 AM
cangelini said:
MemnarchonBetter power consumption than 7970GE.Less noise than 7970GE.Runs cooler than 7970GE.Same FPS as 7970GE.$50 less cost.Yeah indeed, why to get the Smart Buy award I wonder...
And remember that this is larger affected by the card's performance in dual-card configurations. Two 770s for $800 > 1 GTX 690 for $1,000 > 1 GTX Titan for $1,000. The 780 is fast, but not $650 fast, IMO. And for the price of two, you could have *three* 770s with $150 left over. 7970 doesn't get recommended in any multi-card config.
Hmm, so that's why you're giving it the Smart Buy award? I admit, SLI GTX 770s seems like a great option for those who are willing spend. However, if you were comparing this with say, a non-reference design card (such as MSI HD7970 TFIII or Gigabyte's) which is overclocked around GHz Edition speeds and costs $400 (non-GE card costs around that), if you found out that they perform just as well in the test, would you still gave the GTX 770 an award?
Score
4
alchemy69
May 30, 2013 9:50:24 AM
Novuake
May 30, 2013 9:50:27 AM
ingtar33 said:
i like how you're talking a price drop. this is a PRICE INCREASE.670 - 350
770 - 400
they just raised the price of their x70 series cards $50 or 15% and you're crowing it from the mountaintops that this is a price drop. You're playing straight into nvidia's marketing strategy. They raised the price of their x80 chips by 45% and gave us a 20% performance upgrade. They raised the x70 series by 15% and gave us about a 10% increase in performance.
We'll see the whole nvidia lineup go up in price this round, for what is effectively a refresh series.
They played you THG, and you fell for it. This won't drive down the price of anything. This is a massive price increase for the end user, and you're giving it a smart buy award. Shame on you.
Keep in mind the price increase is at launch, I believe the GTX670 was 450 at launch, if i am not mistaken...
Score
1
EzioAs
May 30, 2013 9:52:05 AM
Novuake said:
ingtar33 said:
i like how you're talking a price drop. this is a PRICE INCREASE.670 - 350
770 - 400
they just raised the price of their x70 series cards $50 or 15% and you're crowing it from the mountaintops that this is a price drop. You're playing straight into nvidia's marketing strategy. They raised the price of their x80 chips by 45% and gave us a 20% performance upgrade. They raised the x70 series by 15% and gave us about a 10% increase in performance.
We'll see the whole nvidia lineup go up in price this round, for what is effectively a refresh series.
They played you THG, and you fell for it. This won't drive down the price of anything. This is a massive price increase for the end user, and you're giving it a smart buy award. Shame on you.
Keep in mind the price increase is at launch, I believe the GTX670 was 450 at launch, if i am not mistaken...
$400
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-670-rev...
Score
1
ingtar33
May 30, 2013 9:53:16 AM
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