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AMD Showcases Kaveri APU Performance at Computex 2013

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June 6, 2013 3:25:50 PM

I am really looking foward to seeing Steamroller performance vs Piledriver
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June 6, 2013 3:31:39 PM

This looks promising. It would be nice to see a 6 and/or 8 core APU incorporated into the Kaveri lineup.
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June 6, 2013 3:37:06 PM

I really hope they will bring the TDP's down to 95W and still make 15-20% IPC improvments with Steamroller. That would be salvation for AMD desktop lineup...
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June 6, 2013 3:44:47 PM

I really hope they will bring the TDP's down to 95W and still make 15-20% IPC improvments with Steamroller. That would be salvation for AMD desktop lineup...
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June 6, 2013 3:45:17 PM

I really hope they will bring the TDP's down to 95W and still make 15-20% IPC improvments with Steamroller. That would be salvation for AMD desktop lineup...
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June 6, 2013 3:48:12 PM

I really hope they will bring the TDP's down to 95W and still make 15-20% IPC improvments with Steamroller. That would be salvation for AMD desktop lineup...
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June 6, 2013 3:50:20 PM

So this won't come close to intel either...yawn. They needed 40% ipc or more. They needed to catch haswell. With the rumored specs it should have much higher perf, so the rumors are NOT true I guess.
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June 6, 2013 4:01:08 PM

At last. Now that we have Haswell and new geforce series GPUs around, i was waiting for news about Kaveri. Any info about specs yet?
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June 6, 2013 4:23:55 PM

GREAT. Now launch on time at a reasonable price.
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June 6, 2013 5:31:26 PM

Kaveri looks to be pretty promising. Looks like it should about match the performance of the APU in the Xbox One, though it may fall short of the PS4's APU. Console gamers wanting to switch to PC should be able to get a small mini-itx case and just run a Kaveri APU and still have both the performance and the small form factor of a console. If you want even more graphical power, you can always pair the Kaveri with a low profile or single slot 7750 for Dual Graphics, and still have a console form factor.
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June 6, 2013 6:59:15 PM

Just a trailer? Anything can play a trailer, real gameplay would actually reveal what Kaveri will be able to do
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June 6, 2013 7:02:25 PM

I thought this demo was running on a 7990! This is on an APU? Holy crap!
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June 6, 2013 8:05:14 PM

shikamaru31789 said:
Kaveri looks to be pretty promising. Looks like it should about match the performance of the APU in the Xbox One, though it may fall short of the PS4's APU. Console gamers wanting to switch to PC should be able to get a small mini-itx case and just run a Kaveri APU and still have both the performance and the small form factor of a console. If you want even more graphical power, you can always pair the Kaveri with a low profile or single slot 7750 for Dual Graphics, and still have a console form factor.


its very likely this wont be anywhere near the xbox one performance. Id say its closer/equal to 360 or ps3, but the IGP surely wont match a 7790 even with a 7750 in crossfire. take tombraider performance as an example. the new a10-6800k apus get 34-40fps on lowest settings(1080p). the 7790 gets 39-44fps on ultra settings(1080p). AMD wouldnt do that massive jump in performance in any of its APUs. Much less if they need the next consoles to be successful.
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June 6, 2013 9:00:32 PM

bustapr said:
shikamaru31789 said:
Kaveri looks to be pretty promising. Looks like it should about match the performance of the APU in the Xbox One, though it may fall short of the PS4's APU. Console gamers wanting to switch to PC should be able to get a small mini-itx case and just run a Kaveri APU and still have both the performance and the small form factor of a console. If you want even more graphical power, you can always pair the Kaveri with a low profile or single slot 7750 for Dual Graphics, and still have a console form factor.


its very likely this wont be anywhere near the xbox one performance. Id say its closer/equal to 360 or ps3, but the IGP surely wont match a 7790 even with a 7750 in crossfire. take tombraider performance as an example. the new a10-6800k apus get 34-40fps on lowest settings(1080p). the 7790 gets 39-44fps on ultra settings(1080p). AMD wouldnt do that massive jump in performance in any of its APUs. Much less if they need the next consoles to be successful.

So a 2013 cpu built on the latest AMD core architecture that is very similar to the cpu in the Xbox One, is going to be close/equal to a console that is 8 years old?
pass me the pipe and load up whatever you're smoking because it has to be medical grade.

Either you're a great troll of you should go to rehab


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June 6, 2013 9:20:54 PM

What AMD needs to do for the mobile sector is to make some 45w and 55w CPUs and APUs. 35 watts is not enough at 32nm lithography to offer much.
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June 6, 2013 10:51:23 PM

You say that, however I believe S|A proved that the 4600M used a third of the power of the 5800K yet still delivered approximately two-thirds its performance. Granted, a 45W APU would be more powerful (and I'm sure there's low-power inventory sitting around with non-functioning GPUs), but would it really offer much?
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June 6, 2013 10:55:15 PM

somebodyspecial said:
So this won't come close to intel either...yawn. They needed 40% ipc or more. They needed to catch haswell. With the rumored specs it should have much higher perf, so the rumors are NOT true I guess.


As far as I have heard, the 15 - 20% IPC increase is single threaded. Steamroller has a far more capable front end than Piledriver, so it'll be much better at multi-threaded workloads, as well.

All will be revealed in a few months. To be honest, if a 2M/4C Steamroller proved faster in most tasks (especially gaming) than a 3M/6C Piledriver, there'd be red faces all round at AMD. :p 

There are also rumours that Steamroller is actually Excavator brought forward. I don't buy this.

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June 6, 2013 11:21:16 PM

somebodyspecial said:
So this won't come close to intel either...yawn. They needed 40% ipc or more. They needed to catch haswell.

If you consider all the effort that went into Haswell to achieve a ~7% IPC gain, a 20% leap on AMD's side in one iteration is a fairly large step.

While it may not bridge the gap between AMD and Intel, it does shave about 2.5 years off of it in one year.
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June 7, 2013 2:10:33 AM

bustapr said:


its very likely this wont be anywhere near the xbox one performance. Id say its closer/equal to 360 or ps3, but the IGP surely wont match a 7790 even with a 7750 in crossfire. take tombraider performance as an example. the new a10-6800k apus get 34-40fps on lowest settings(1080p). the 7790 gets 39-44fps on ultra settings(1080p). AMD wouldnt do that massive jump in performance in any of its APUs. Much less if they need the next consoles to be successful.


You have to take consideration that Kaveri is the first desktop APU that has GCN graphic architecture. The same that is used in kabini and all new AMD GPUs compared the old Cayman based technology that is used in Richland APUs. There is a guite a big difference in there!
Allso these are 65w prosessors vs mobile jaguar cores used in Xbox one, so they offer a guite bit more room for power usage. Much more than you can use in consoles. Those consoles has an advantage of having same memory to CPU and GPU, but kaveri should do the same, so it has some edge in there...



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June 7, 2013 2:30:45 AM

silverblue said:
You say that, however I believe S|A proved that the 4600M used a third of the power of the 5800K yet still delivered approximately two-thirds its performance. Granted, a 45W APU would be more powerful (and I'm sure there's low-power inventory sitting around with non-functioning GPUs), but would it really offer much?


Yes it would, especially a 55w TDP CPU. It wouldn't take that much when idle, just when all ALUs are being utilized.
Intel's Haswell's mainstream mobile parts start at 35W TDP and go to 45W (Haswell is 47W/57W), AMD shouldn't be afraid to increase peak power to increase peak performance a good 33% if they can increase clock speeds a lot.
Their current top end Richland mobile chip only runs at 2.5GHZ with 3GHZ Turbo which isn't any better than a bottom end Intel Haswell. They need to bump that to oh say 3.4GHZ constant/maybe 3.8GHZ turbo to be competitive with laptops.
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June 7, 2013 3:21:33 AM

somebodyspecial said:
So this won't come close to intel either...yawn. They needed 40% ipc or more. They needed to catch haswell. With the rumored specs it should have much higher perf, so the rumors are NOT true I guess.


http://media.bestofmicro.com/F/2/371198/original/Averag...

lol 40%
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June 7, 2013 7:50:09 AM

somebodyspecial said:
So this won't come close to intel either...yawn. They needed 40% ipc or more. They needed to catch haswell. With the rumored specs it should have much higher perf, so the rumors are NOT true I guess.


Yawn is the your warped perception of where AMD and Intel are relative to each other but anyways I will let you stay in la la land the air is great up there.

bustapr said:
shikamaru31789 said:
Kaveri looks to be pretty promising. Looks like it should about match the performance of the APU in the Xbox One, though it may fall short of the PS4's APU. Console gamers wanting to switch to PC should be able to get a small mini-itx case and just run a Kaveri APU and still have both the performance and the small form factor of a console. If you want even more graphical power, you can always pair the Kaveri with a low profile or single slot 7750 for Dual Graphics, and still have a console form factor.


its very likely this wont be anywhere near the xbox one performance. Id say its closer/equal to 360 or ps3, but the IGP surely wont match a 7790 even with a 7750 in crossfire. take tombraider performance as an example. the new a10-6800k apus get 34-40fps on lowest settings(1080p). the 7790 gets 39-44fps on ultra settings(1080p). AMD wouldnt do that massive jump in performance in any of its APUs. Much less if they need the next consoles to be successful.


Someone that has never used a APU laying claims to where Kaveri is likely to be, tut tut. If I sponsored you a APU setup you'd be amazed.

sbudbud said:
bustapr said:
shikamaru31789 said:
Kaveri looks to be pretty promising. Looks like it should about match the performance of the APU in the Xbox One, though it may fall short of the PS4's APU. Console gamers wanting to switch to PC should be able to get a small mini-itx case and just run a Kaveri APU and still have both the performance and the small form factor of a console. If you want even more graphical power, you can always pair the Kaveri with a low profile or single slot 7750 for Dual Graphics, and still have a console form factor.


its very likely this wont be anywhere near the xbox one performance. Id say its closer/equal to 360 or ps3, but the IGP surely wont match a 7790 even with a 7750 in crossfire. take tombraider performance as an example. the new a10-6800k apus get 34-40fps on lowest settings(1080p). the 7790 gets 39-44fps on ultra settings(1080p). AMD wouldnt do that massive jump in performance in any of its APUs. Much less if they need the next consoles to be successful.

So a 2013 cpu built on the latest AMD core architecture that is very similar to the cpu in the Xbox One, is going to be close/equal to a console that is 8 years old?
pass me the pipe and load up whatever you're smoking because it has to be medical grade.

Either you're a great troll of you should go to rehab




My guess is another ill informed person that has never used a APU in their lives but then again there are lots that actually think an APU is slow, anyways you can't make everyone happy.

silverblue said:
You say that, however I believe S|A proved that the 4600M used a third of the power of the 5800K yet still delivered approximately two-thirds its performance. Granted, a 45W APU would be more powerful (and I'm sure there's low-power inventory sitting around with non-functioning GPUs), but would it really offer much?


Wait so you compared a mobile to DT, and then we come to the second conundrum so it uses less power but delivers unplayable results even if FPS are above 30FPS due to diabolical Frame Latencies. So yeah half the power, 48% higher clocks and crappy performance...like a game really gives a rats butt about power consumption and since thats the criterion you are basing it on then the APU shines like a rose and the HD walks away the craptastrophe it is.

InvalidError said:
somebodyspecial said:
So this won't come close to intel either...yawn. They needed 40% ipc or more. They needed to catch haswell.

If you consider all the effort that went into Haswell to achieve a ~7% IPC gain, a 20% leap on AMD's side in one iteration is a fairly large step.

While it may not bridge the gap between AMD and Intel, it does shave about 2.5 years off of it in one year.


wait what Haswell 7% IPC gains, more like 7% performance gains (if lucky) IPC doesn't equate to performance and so Haswell probably made no IPC gains. The best part of Haswell was that the 3770K and in some instances even the 2600K edges ahead, uses more power, runs hot but has a better iGPU that still suffers from unplayable lags.

If AMD make 15-20% IPC gains then I can assure you team Blue will start to fret a bit.

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June 7, 2013 8:01:48 AM

danwat1234 said:
Their current top end Richland mobile chip only runs at 2.5GHZ with 3GHZ Turbo which isn't any better than a bottom end Intel Haswell. They need to bump that to oh say 3.4GHZ constant/maybe 3.8GHZ turbo to be competitive with laptops.

Sacrificing power for speed on battery-operated devices hurts battery life a lot.

On top of shorter life due to increased drain, you also lose effective capacity due to derating - the effective capacity of a battery is not the same when you drain 1A out of it as it is when you draw 3A. Depending on chemistry and build parameters, batteries can lose 10-50% of their rated capacity depending on how how heavy a drain is put on them. So, doubling battery drain may actually end up cutting battery life by much more than 50%.
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June 7, 2013 9:34:47 AM

@InvalidError, that isn't valid because that is only if the cores of the APU are being fully utilized. At idle they won't take much more power than a lower end AMD APU.
Yes the power consumption goes up but the work done goes up as well, the work gets done quicker so cores can go back to sleep sooner. It's good to be able to rev up a processor when you need it to get some work done.
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June 7, 2013 11:19:40 AM

Kaveri means friend in Finnish. Just thought I'd mention it. =)
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June 7, 2013 11:51:49 AM

danwat1234 said:
Yes the power consumption goes up but the work done goes up as well, the work gets done quicker so cores can go back to sleep sooner.

But if the power drain and battery derating is larger than the performance gain, it is still a net loss on battery life so CPU/laptop engineers have to carefully balance peak power with performance to keep battery life within targets for the intended market.

If you have ever looked at power vs performance graphs, you can see that power usually increases much faster than performance. For example, on my i5 under full-load:
- 18W @ 1.54GHz
- 21W @ 2.24GHz - ~50% more performance for ~16% more power
- 30W @ 3.00GHz - ~35% more performance for ~50% more power

For mobile uses where people are starting to expect full-day use out of a single battery charge, pushing things beyond the point where power rises faster than performance does is generally not desirable. So, AMD pushing over 3.4GHz standard clock and boosts over 3.8GHz for laptops on top of AMD's massive TDP handicap on their performance APUs/CPUs would be pretty bad battery-wise.
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June 7, 2013 11:55:46 AM

But that could be solved with power profiles. Battery saver mode that limits the voltage and clockspeed to an efficient range, and then performance mode when the user doesn't care about power consumption.
Yeah when you increase clockspeed enough you have to increase voltage, and increasing voltage drastically increases consumption so it can't be a linear path of performance to power consumption as you said.
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June 7, 2013 6:37:31 PM

sbudbud said:

So a 2013 cpu built on the latest AMD core architecture that is very similar to the cpu in the Xbox One, is going to be close/equal to a console that is 8 years old?
pass me the pipe and load up whatever you're smoking because it has to be medical grade.

Either you're a great troll of you should go to rehab


Saying "latest AMD core architecture" is not necessarily saying a lot. I suppose you'll also imply that somehow a cheap APU is going to be faster than the dedicated cards from AMD, that cost more, in a given situation? It'll be a step up, but keep in mind AMD's core CPU architecture is very, very tired at this point. I'll save the trouble of explaining memory bandwidth, integrated GPU performance, and other things and instead suggest you go to Google and educate yourself on the topic.

Feel free to interpret the results. Most people do. :) 

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June 7, 2013 11:17:36 PM

When will they allow dual graphics on higher end cards? :( 
It would make sense to pair it with a mid range card such as an HD 7850.
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June 7, 2013 11:39:20 PM

dbaaz said:
When will they allow dual graphics on higher end cards? :( 
It would make sense to pair it with a mid range card such as an HD 7850.

The reason why people do not pair IGPs with higher-end graphics is because the huge performance discrepancy between the two often causes stuttering and limits performance to about twice the IGP's under ideal circumstances, which is a waste of time and lots of unnecessary frustration when the GPU alone already performs over twice as fast as the IGP.
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June 15, 2013 7:15:35 AM

gonna wait till dec-jan and look for benchmarks and will decide whether to buy kaveri or not. hope it will make trinity series like junk
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June 16, 2013 11:35:47 PM

tajisi said:
sbudbud said:

So a 2013 cpu built on the latest AMD core architecture that is very similar to the cpu in the Xbox One, is going to be close/equal to a console that is 8 years old?
pass me the pipe and load up whatever you're smoking because it has to be medical grade.

Either you're a great troll of you should go to rehab


Saying "latest AMD core architecture" is not necessarily saying a lot. I suppose you'll also imply that somehow a cheap APU is going to be faster than the dedicated cards from AMD, that cost more, in a given situation? It'll be a step up, but keep in mind AMD's core CPU architecture is very, very tired at this point. I'll save the trouble of explaining memory bandwidth, integrated GPU performance, and other things and instead suggest you go to Google and educate yourself on the topic.

Feel free to interpret the results. Most people do. :) 


No I would never imply that that a cheap APU would beat a dedicated card in terms of performance, I was simply saying that the APUs being released arent going to be on par/close to with the xbox 360 but the Xbox One, unlike what was said by the person I quoted who said that it would be on par with the 360

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August 20, 2013 9:13:58 AM

amd is rock,it will be big if they do it with 6 and 8 cores apu ,then intel surely down.after richland success Kaveri will kill intel,my friend take a-10 6800k and apu performing outstanding, bt i am waiting for new born......and it will be much better if it work 7850,7870 together,,,
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