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June 12, 2013 9:11:36 AM

Hilarious... unfortunately they probably gave apple a a new payment plan idea with that video. Pay via-blood donation.
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June 12, 2013 9:15:26 AM

"Mac Pro, now diminishing productivity even better!". Seriously, using Apple stuff for productivity is like hammering screws and screwing nails...
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June 12, 2013 10:28:58 AM

Apple is the cat's meow for content creation. You have obviously never used a Mac Pro for anything like heavy Photoshop, Premiere, Desktop Publishing, or anything that requires stability. I'm also a working DJ, and use my MacBookPro for any live performances. Reason? Apple is rock solid. Windows machines constantly have issues. Atleast 1 - 2 a night for the other guys in the booth.
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June 12, 2013 10:53:18 AM

Taiwan just mad they are not assembling it.../o/
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June 12, 2013 10:53:48 AM

Taiwan just mad they are not assembling it.../o/
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June 12, 2013 11:02:11 AM

Whoa, I hate this new comment section...lol.
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June 12, 2013 11:03:32 AM

Rhinofart said:
Apple is the cat's meow for content creation. You have obviously never used a Mac Pro for anything like heavy Photoshop, Premiere, Desktop Publishing, or anything that requires stability. I'm also a working DJ, and use my MacBookPro for any live performances. Reason? Apple is rock solid. Windows machines constantly have issues. Atleast 1 - 2 a night for the other guys in the booth.

WTH! 1-2 issues each night. I work for an organization that has around 400 computers with Windows, and even thought from time to time I have issues, they are still rare. If I had issues with them this often, like you describe, I would have shot myself in the head.
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June 12, 2013 11:06:03 AM

Rhinofart said:
Apple is the cat's meow for content creation. You have obviously never used a Mac Pro for anything like heavy Photoshop, Premiere, Desktop Publishing, or anything that requires stability. I'm also a working DJ, and use my MacBookPro for any live performances. Reason? Apple is rock solid. Windows machines constantly have issues. Atleast 1 - 2 a night for the other guys in the booth.



Probably because you're comparing a $1000+ MacBookPro to a $500 budget windows computer. Higher end windows machines are just as stable as OSX machines. (Not to say that OSX doesn't have better software tools for certain media applications)
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June 12, 2013 1:12:06 PM

This is great animation and it would seem it was catered to Tom's core audience. To say it's hilarious doesn't quite capture it.
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June 12, 2013 1:19:33 PM

My Alienware laptop has more cats meow than a Mac pro, and it was cheaper.
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June 12, 2013 1:59:43 PM

jn77 said:
My Alienware laptop has more cats meow than a Mac pro, and it was cheaper.


"Only in your mind my young apprentice, only in your mind."

...seems like an appropriate quote right about now. ...and your Alienware was indeed cheaper.
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June 12, 2013 2:05:32 PM

Vladislaus said:
Rhinofart said:
Apple is the cat's meow for content creation. You have obviously never used a Mac Pro for anything like heavy Photoshop, Premiere, Desktop Publishing, or anything that requires stability. I'm also a working DJ, and use my MacBookPro for any live performances. Reason? Apple is rock solid. Windows machines constantly have issues. Atleast 1 - 2 a night for the other guys in the booth.

WTH! 1-2 issues each night. I work for an organization that has around 400 computers with Windows, and even thought from time to time I have issues, they are still rare. If I had issues with them this often, like you describe, I would have shot myself in the head.


read again smart guy... he is not talking about MS office applications . he was talking about heavy rendering applications that crashes in the middle of 2 days rendering. Those programs need super stability because they run full throttle for days some times to finish the rendering project. one hang all is gone.
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June 12, 2013 2:12:25 PM

Point out a digital content creation tool that is Mac-only besides Logic and Final Cut, rhinofart. (There are plenty that are PC-only- e.g. 3dsMax). Then tell the thousands of artists using Windows PCs to do work that they are using the wrong platform. Sure tip: Most VFX and game development houses are PC-based.
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June 12, 2013 2:28:28 PM

Draven35 said:
Point out a digital content creation tool that is Mac-only besides Logic and Final Cut, rhinofart. (There are plenty that are PC-only- e.g. 3dsMax). Then tell the thousands of artists using Windows PCs to do work that they are using the wrong platform. Sure tip: Most VFX and game development houses are PC-based.


its hard to explain, if you do anything creative, you are expected to use a mac even though they no longer serve that purpose best, and if you dont use a mac, you are looked at as less professional by average people.

i may not be explaining it right...
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June 12, 2013 2:38:04 PM

alidan said:
Draven35 said:
Point out a digital content creation tool that is Mac-only besides Logic and Final Cut, rhinofart. (There are plenty that are PC-only- e.g. 3dsMax). Then tell the thousands of artists using Windows PCs to do work that they are using the wrong platform. Sure tip: Most VFX and game development houses are PC-based.


its hard to explain, if you do anything creative, you are expected to use a mac even though they no longer serve that purpose best, and if you dont use a mac, you are looked at as less professional by average people.

i may not be explaining it right...


...and that may be an antiquated stance.
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June 12, 2013 3:17:15 PM

halcyon said:
alidan said:
Draven35 said:
Point out a digital content creation tool that is Mac-only besides Logic and Final Cut, rhinofart. (There are plenty that are PC-only- e.g. 3dsMax). Then tell the thousands of artists using Windows PCs to do work that they are using the wrong platform. Sure tip: Most VFX and game development houses are PC-based.


its hard to explain, if you do anything creative, you are expected to use a mac even though they no longer serve that purpose best, and if you dont use a mac, you are looked at as less professional by average people.

i may not be explaining it right...


...and that may be an antiquated stance.


its sad but its also true...
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June 12, 2013 3:31:02 PM

Shneiky said:
"Mac Pro, now diminishing productivity even better!". Seriously, using Apple stuff for productivity is like hammering screws and screwing nails...


So very wrong. You're ready to throw Apple's hardware (and possibly also software?) under a bus, yet you give no reason why, outside of a bone-headed comparison to carpentry...

Set aside the inherent benefits of administrative simplicity and security of OS X (yeah, you'll never convince me that the 'doze registry is somehow less-complicated than a UNIX-style file hierarchy), the legions of advertising/production businesses/artists that rely on Mac-only software, and the general aesthetic quality of Mac hardware...Now tell me, what is it about this new Mac Pro you find so ridiculous?

Think it looks silly? Maybe it hasn't occurred to you that the cylindrical design nearly eliminates airflow/heat issues that have always plagued the boxy PC case? Or, that the decision to divorce the internal components from the obligatory 90 degree angle connections to the motherboard (used in nearly all computers for years) allows for improved cooling and a seriously-shrunken form factor? I CHALLENGE you to try to fit 2 video cards and this much processing power/storage into a PC with smaller dimensions and better cooling...even if you can imagine something and put it on paper, you won't be able to go out and just buy the parts for it. Someone is going to need to specially manufacture what you need.

The fact is that Apple is one of the few players with the wallet, connections, and innovative thinking to make it happen. Sure, someone else could've done it first, but they didn't. Doing something different doesn't always turn out for the best, but Apple has done something remarkable here, win or lose. Incidentally, this isn't the first time for the company; they did the same thing for the mobile phone some time ago. Oh, and also to the PC years earlier.

Granted, Tom's is a community of enthusiasts, and a lot of us enjoy crafting computers ourselves rather than paying (admittedly) grand amounts of money for pre-assembled machines. That doesn't mean this new Mac Pro a POS, or that its design is any less impressive.

In short, if you consider yourself a real enthusiast, understand the fact that different systems excel in different areas. Just because you prefer one system for all of your tasks does not mean that it's the best system for each one of them. ;) 
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June 12, 2013 3:46:50 PM

Matt Brown said:
Shneiky said:
"Mac Pro, now diminishing productivity even better!". Seriously, using Apple stuff for productivity is like hammering screws and screwing nails...


So very wrong. You're ready to throw Apple's hardware (and possibly also software?) under a bus, yet you give no reason why, outside of a bone-headed comparison to carpentry...

Set aside the inherent benefits of administrative simplicity and security of OS X (yeah, you'll never convince me that the 'doze registry is somehow less-complicated than a UNIX-style file hierarchy), the legions of advertising/production businesses/artists that rely on Mac-only software, and the general aesthetic quality of Mac hardware...Now tell me, what is it about this new Mac Pro you find so ridiculous?

Think it looks silly? Maybe it hasn't occurred to you that the cylindrical design nearly eliminates airflow/heat issues that have always plagued the boxy PC case? Or, that the decision to divorce the internal components from the obligatory 90 degree angle connections to the motherboard (used in nearly all computers for years) allows for improved cooling and a seriously-shrunken form factor? I CHALLENGE you to try to fit 2 video cards and this much processing power/storage into a PC with smaller dimensions and better cooling...even if you can imagine something and put it on paper, you won't be able to go out and just buy the parts for it. Someone is going to need to specially manufacture what you need.

The fact is that Apple is one of the few players with the wallet, connections, and innovative thinking to make it happen. Sure, someone else could've done it first, but they didn't. Doing something different doesn't always turn out for the best, but Apple has done something remarkable here, win or lose. Incidentally, this isn't the first time for the company; they did the same thing for the mobile phone some time ago. Oh, and also to the PC years earlier.

Granted, Tom's is a community of enthusiasts, and a lot of us enjoy crafting computers ourselves rather than paying (admittedly) grand amounts of money for pre-assembled machines. That doesn't mean this new Mac Pro a POS, or that its design is any less impressive.

In short, if you consider yourself a real enthusiast, understand the fact that different systems excel in different areas. Just because you prefer one system for all of your tasks does not mean that it's the best system for each one of them. ;) 

Well put.
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June 12, 2013 4:27:24 PM

Matt Brown said:
Shneiky said:
"Mac Pro, now diminishing productivity even better!". Seriously, using Apple stuff for productivity is like hammering screws and screwing nails...


So very wrong. You're ready to throw Apple's hardware (and possibly also software?) under a bus, yet you give no reason why, outside of a bone-headed comparison to carpentry...

Set aside the inherent benefits of administrative simplicity and security of OS X (yeah, you'll never convince me that the 'doze registry is somehow less-complicated than a UNIX-style file hierarchy), the legions of advertising/production businesses/artists that rely on Mac-only software, and the general aesthetic quality of Mac hardware...Now tell me, what is it about this new Mac Pro you find so ridiculous?

Think it looks silly? Maybe it hasn't occurred to you that the cylindrical design nearly eliminates airflow/heat issues that have always plagued the boxy PC case? Or, that the decision to divorce the internal components from the obligatory 90 degree angle connections to the motherboard (used in nearly all computers for years) allows for improved cooling and a seriously-shrunken form factor? I CHALLENGE you to try to fit 2 video cards and this much processing power/storage into a PC with smaller dimensions and better cooling...even if you can imagine something and put it on paper, you won't be able to go out and just buy the parts for it. Someone is going to need to specially manufacture what you need.

The fact is that Apple is one of the few players with the wallet, connections, and innovative thinking to make it happen. Sure, someone else could've done it first, but they didn't. Doing something different doesn't always turn out for the best, but Apple has done something remarkable here, win or lose. Incidentally, this isn't the first time for the company; they did the same thing for the mobile phone some time ago. Oh, and also to the PC years earlier.

Granted, Tom's is a community of enthusiasts, and a lot of us enjoy crafting computers ourselves rather than paying (admittedly) grand amounts of money for pre-assembled machines. That doesn't mean this new Mac Pro a POS, or that its design is any less impressive.

In short, if you consider yourself a real enthusiast, understand the fact that different systems excel in different areas. Just because you prefer one system for all of your tasks does not mean that it's the best system for each one of them. ;) 


well, lets see here.
outside of "it looks better" and "im an artist and i need a creative computer" ill just throw those arguments away because of how stupid they are, ill also throw away the mac only software one too, just because i dont want to get into choise on windows and is also mac compatible.

lets look at it from a purely cost perspective.

you no longer have a way to add your own hardware, and apple at one point charged a grand for a 4gb of ram upgrade, getting a mac, and putting your own ram in it was something everyone with a brain did, and now you may be completely shackled to apple to set the price of EVERYTHING because they want to look special.

they are a hardware company first, they don't sell the stuff cheap and make it up in software, they gouge the hardware cost because people are stupid enough to pay it, with windows you have just as stable a computer if you don't crap it up with spyware, while having more hardware selection software and cheaper prices.
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June 12, 2013 4:48:30 PM

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Rhinofart said:
Apple is the cat's meow for content creation. You have obviously never used a Mac Pro for anything like heavy Photoshop, Premiere, Desktop Publishing, or anything that requires stability. I'm also a working DJ, and use my MacBookPro for any live performances. Reason? Apple is rock solid. Windows machines constantly have issues. Atleast 1 - 2 a night for the other guys in the booth.


Dear kid, just because I do damn heavy content creation, I can say Apple sux at it. Regardless of what hardware they throw at it there is one essential flaw - OS X prioritizes itself AND NOT YOUR WORK OR APPLICATION. On many occasions (specially After Effects) OS X would terminate my application and kill my work because the computer ran out of resources. On my home WINDOWS machine however, the COMPUTER WILL FREZZE for 5/10/30 MINUTES BUT COMPLETE THE TASK! I am talking of projects filling 32 gigs of ram and 32 gigs of page file. I am talking about Maya rendering that makes every damn frame in 50 MBs. Windows can freeze, start running sluggish but it will complete your tasks, while your beloved OS X will just kill your processes to ensure the "stability" of the operating system. Also judging by your artsy name and the specs you posted, I do believe you are very into content creation.

P.S Creating sound requires a lot less hardware than creating visuals. It's not that I try to disrespect all sound guys (I even do some basic sound design myself, when there is no other college available), it is a very important aspect of content creation, but this is just how technology works.

P.S.2 Most of my Photo shop files are 4 gigs and above ( they go up to 20 gigs of RAM usage while in progress) . I mainly do 10K square textures.
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June 13, 2013 7:08:32 AM

Rhinofart said:
Apple is the cat's meow for content creation. You have obviously never used a Mac Pro for anything like heavy Photoshop, Premiere, Desktop Publishing, or anything that requires stability. I'm also a working DJ, and use my MacBookPro for any live performances. Reason? Apple is rock solid. Windows machines constantly have issues. Atleast 1 - 2 a night for the other guys in the booth.


That's hilarious, thanks for making me laugh.
I've had a grand total of 0 BSODs/program crashes/system instabilities in past 5 years if you allow me to exclude the issues caused by my fault POS razer keyboard on both Windows 7 and 8.
My systems have been heavily overclocked all this time, too.

On the other hand, I'd be delusional just like you if I paid 50% extra or more for last year's hardware.
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June 13, 2013 12:06:54 PM

sna said:
Vladislaus said:
Rhinofart said:
Apple is the cat's meow for content creation. You have obviously never used a Mac Pro for anything like heavy Photoshop, Premiere, Desktop Publishing, or anything that requires stability. I'm also a working DJ, and use my MacBookPro for any live performances. Reason? Apple is rock solid. Windows machines constantly have issues. Atleast 1 - 2 a night for the other guys in the booth.

WTH! 1-2 issues each night. I work for an organization that has around 400 computers with Windows, and even thought from time to time I have issues, they are still rare. If I had issues with them this often, like you describe, I would have shot myself in the head.


read again smart guy... he is not talking about MS office applications . he was talking about heavy rendering applications that crashes in the middle of 2 days rendering. Those programs need super stability because they run full throttle for days some times to finish the rendering project. one hang all is gone.


Really?? These two sentences say otherwise:

"I'm also a working DJ, and use my MacBookPro for any live performances."
"Windows machines constantly have issues. Atleast 1 - 2 a night for the other guys in the booth."
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June 13, 2013 12:35:01 PM

Matt Brown said:
So very wrong. You're ready to throw Apple's hardware (and possibly also software?) under a bus, yet you give no reason why, outside of a bone-headed comparison to carpentry...

Set aside the inherent benefits of administrative simplicity and security of OS X (yeah, you'll never convince me that the 'doze registry is somehow less-complicated than a UNIX-style file hierarchy), the legions of advertising/production businesses/artists that rely on Mac-only software, and the general aesthetic quality of Mac hardware...Now tell me, what is it about this new Mac Pro you find so ridiculous?

Think it looks silly? Maybe it hasn't occurred to you that the cylindrical design nearly eliminates airflow/heat issues that have always plagued the boxy PC case? Or, that the decision to divorce the internal components from the obligatory 90 degree angle connections to the motherboard (used in nearly all computers for years) allows for improved cooling and a seriously-shrunken form factor? I CHALLENGE you to try to fit 2 video cards and this much processing power/storage into a PC with smaller dimensions and better cooling...even if you can imagine something and put it on paper, you won't be able to go out and just buy the parts for it. Someone is going to need to specially manufacture what you need.

The fact is that Apple is one of the few players with the wallet, connections, and innovative thinking to make it happen. Sure, someone else could've done it first, but they didn't. Doing something different doesn't always turn out for the best, but Apple has done something remarkable here, win or lose. Incidentally, this isn't the first time for the company; they did the same thing for the mobile phone some time ago. Oh, and also to the PC years earlier.

Granted, Tom's is a community of enthusiasts, and a lot of us enjoy crafting computers ourselves rather than paying (admittedly) grand amounts of money for pre-assembled machines. That doesn't mean this new Mac Pro a POS, or that its design is any less impressive.

In short, if you consider yourself a real enthusiast, understand the fact that different systems excel in different areas. Just because you prefer one system for all of your tasks does not mean that it's the best system for each one of them. ;) 

I only find one thing ridiculous in the Mac Pro, and why I prefer the older ones. And that is lack of expandability. Let's say I want to do a heavy rendering and i need more GPU horsepower than what it already has? On the old one I could put four graphics cars in this It's only two. Not only that they will most likely never be upgradable, so you're stuck with those two GPUs for the rest of your Mac's life. I guess Apple thought they were designing the Mac Maxi instead of the Mac Pro. And the most amusing thing is they call it the most expandable mac pro ever created.
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June 13, 2013 2:24:07 PM

I really don't understand the whole PC vs MAC vs Linux, iPhone vs Android vs Windows, Mercedes vs Audi vs Volvo, Vanilla vs Chocolate, Apples vs Oranges...

I mean vote with your money, don't buy oranges buy bananas. Simple as that. If you don't like the product don't whinge about it.

I bought a Mac Book Pro unibody 17 inch in very early 2009 and I've used it and still using it for work. It's simply great. But when it comes to performance products I rather build something that makes it a lot cheaper.

Vote with your wallet, simple as that.
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June 14, 2013 12:31:10 PM

Matt Brown said:
... Now tell me, what is it about this new Mac Pro you find so ridiculous?
Think it looks silly? Maybe it hasn't occurred to you that the cylindrical design nearly eliminates airflow/heat issues that have always plagued the boxy PC case? ... allows for improved cooling and a seriously-shrunken form factor? I CHALLENGE you to try to fit 2 video cards and this much processing power/storage into a PC with smaller dimensions and better cooling...


I don't really have a problem with how it looks, but the shared triangular cooler made from extruded anodized aluminium is just asinine. They are attempting to dissipate 450+ watts of thermal heat with a 4" x 8" triangle with extremely low fin density using a small low-RPM radial fan and a ducted design assisted by convection. Using aluminum as the heatsink material, and not copper. Only the cheapest junk coolers in the PC space are made from aluminum. The thing will idle in the 70's C and the fan's duty cycle will have to be 60% or more all the time just to keep the thing from melting. It is literally a hair dryer. I'll be surprised if you can't get a second degree burn by holding your hand over it whilst 'rendering' or whatever these professionals are supposedly doing all day that requires a Mac Pro. All your storage must be either cloud or large, loud and hot external enclosures with thunderbolt. That really diminishes the size benefits. You're seriously only allowed a single 512GiB SSD? Besides, even if it really is as cool and as quiet as they say, then they are using laptop-grade GPUs which makes it's usefulness as a workstation laughable. The G5 Mac Pro was LIQUID COOLED. That was a serious computer. This is a toy more for style and show than for anything else.
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June 14, 2013 6:04:24 PM

no pomf jokes?
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June 16, 2013 1:24:40 AM

hey all, Iv'e been reading the comments below and first I have to say from a designer POW that this product looks enthusiastic nothing less the original and mind blowing, but leave that apart, since It's not relevant to the performance discussion, not until some one can actually test it and compare it to the other workstation class pc's, that said, to actually compare it with the data we have we need to divide some fields, firstly you cant compare a workstation class mac to a normal pc or for that matter any workstation to a normal pc, it's totally different hardware and it's built for different purposes, it may sound obvious to most of you but by the comment below i felt I have to mention it , farther in our division tree we have to set apart the operating systems, osx and windows, and lastly we have to connect the two discussions with our production niche and see if it'll serve our purposes, now lets start: windows based WS that commonly used are the dell precision and the hp-z, which cost's about the same as the apple product above, they'r main advantage is they'r upgradability, since all you need to do is buy the hardware you want and plug it, by the apple presentation thing might get complicated in that area, much like the macPro-retina, the main advantage is supposed to be in the performance side, since the parts are custom made and quality tested to work with each other at the most optimal level with less connections and bridges which can slow down operations, same can be said about the precision and z WS regarding quality testing, but the use of top of the line technologies and innovation in the WS class niche is something quite radical, those kind of pc's are usually take the orthodox approach and rarely utilise top of the line technologies in the built-in form and not as an upgradable 3rd party deck or card, which at the overall approach you can actually save some money with this product depends on you'r field of production, again only time and tests will tell if that's true or profitable. now regarding our second discussion, osx vs windows OS, The most relavant part in any WS is the stability of operations, WS class pc's built to excel at this field mainly, therefor they cost that much, so the differences in OS's might not be that noticeable, although from the technical perspective OSX based on unix which much more stable then any windows machine and utilise resources in a whole different level, combine that with the custom built hardware which was picked to work best with OSX and all by the same company which developed both and have access to the operating system sourceCode and can optimise it too to fit best with the dedicated hardware and here you have something that other WS makers will have hard time to comete against, again, regarding the stability and performance of the machine in some fields, though most of us will use 3rd party apps anyways which makes that advantage less relevant aside the basic fileHandling and overall system use/multiTasking operations. now for the last part, our production niche: both OS and machines can and will work with all 3rd party apps, aside finalCut and few other not that popular production apps, though apple OS by it self have lots of built in functionalities which can save you lots of time for automated proceeders which for window OS you'll have to download dedicated app for each task, that's just one example among many time saving and customisable tools you have built-in with OSX, and as you know in the production environment, time is everything, so at the bottom line, everything you can do in mac u can do with windows and via versa, hack u can even install windows on mac (not the other way around), though I dont see any good reason to do that, lastly said, it all concludes at the 3rd party app you work with and which OS it supports better and in which machine it gets higher benchmarks score, everything else is just irrelevant, pro's and cons you'll find in both machines, so, let me declare this discussion as pointless, the benchmarks of the app u work with vs costEfficient long run is the way to look at things when you pick one of those machines, now KEEP CALM and UPVOTE THIS COMMENT - it's my first one :) ))
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June 16, 2013 1:38:00 AM

hey all, Iv'e been reading the comments below and first I have to say from a designer POW that this product looks enthusiastic nothing less the original and mind blowing, but leave that apart, since It's not relevant to the performance discussion, not until some one can actually test it and compare it to the other workstation class pc's, that said, to actually compare it with the data we have we need to divide some fields, firstly you cant compare a workstation class mac to a normal pc or for that matter any workstation to a normal pc, it's totally different hardware and it's built for different purposes, it may sound obvious to most of you but by the comment below i felt I have to mention it , farther in our division tree we have to set apart the operating systems, osx and windows, and lastly we have to connect the two discussions with our production niche and see if it'll serve our purposes, now lets start: windows based WS that commonly used are the dell precision and the hp-z, which cost's about the same as the apple product above, they'r main advantage is they'r upgradability, since all you need to do is buy the hardware you want and plug it, by the apple presentation thing might get complicated in that area, much like the macPro-retina, the main advantage is supposed to be in the performance side, since the parts are custom made and quality tested to work with each other at the most optimal level with less connections and bridges which can slow down operations, same can be said about the precision and z WS regarding quality testing, but the use of top of the line technologies and innovation in the WS class niche is something quite radical, those kind of pc's are usually take the orthodox approach and rarely utilise top of the line technologies in the built-in form and not as an upgradable 3rd party deck or card, which at the overall approach you can actually save some money with this product depends on you'r field of production, again only time and tests will tell if that's true or profitable. now regarding our second discussion, osx vs windows OS, The most relavant part in any WS is the stability of operations, WS class pc's built to excel at this field mainly, therefor they cost that much, so the differences in OS's might not be that noticeable, although from the technical perspective OSX based on unix which much more stable then any windows machine and utilise resources in a whole different level, combine that with the custom built hardware which was picked to work best with OSX and all by the same company which developed both and have access to the operating system sourceCode and can optimise it too to fit best with the dedicated hardware and here you have something that other WS makers will have hard time to comete against, again, regarding the stability and performance of the machine in some fields, though most of us will use 3rd party apps anyways which makes that advantage less relevant aside the basic fileHandling and overall system use/multiTasking operations. now for the last part, our production niche: both OS and machines can and will work with all 3rd party apps, aside finalCut and few other not that popular production apps, though apple OS by it self have lots of built in functionalities which can save you lots of time for automated proceeders which for window OS you'll have to download dedicated app for each task, that's just one example among many time saving and customisable tools you have built-in with OSX, and as you know in the production environment, time is everything, so at the bottom line, everything you can do in mac u can do with windows and via versa, hack u can even install windows on mac (not the other way around), though I dont see any good reason to do that, lastly said, it all concludes at the 3rd party app you work with and which OS it supports better and in which machine it gets higher benchmarks score, everything else is just irrelevant, pro's and cons you'll find in both machines, so, let me declare this discussion as pointless, the benchmarks of the app u work with vs costEfficient long run is the way to look at things when you pick one of those machines, now KEEP CALM and UPVOTE THIS COMMENT - it's my first one :) ))
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June 16, 2013 2:01:10 AM

hey all, Iv'e been reading the comments below and first I have to say from a designer POW that this product looks enthusiastic nothing less the original and mind blowing, but leave that apart, since It's not relevant to the performance discussion, not until some one can actually test it and compare it to the other workstation class pc's, that said, to actually compare it with the data we have we need to divide some fields, firstly you cant compare a workstation class mac to a normal pc or for that matter any workstation to a normal pc, it's totally different hardware and it's built for different purposes, it may sound obvious to most of you but by the comment below i felt I have to mention it , farther in our division tree we have to set apart the operating systems, osx and windows, and lastly we have to connect the two discussions with our production niche and see if it'll serve our purposes, now lets start: windows based WS that commonly used are the dell precision and the hp-z, which cost's about the same as the apple product above, they'r main advantage is they'r upgradability, since all you need to do is buy the hardware you want and plug it, by the apple presentation thing might get complicated in that area, much like the macPro-retina, the main advantage is supposed to be in the performance side, since the parts are custom made and quality tested to work with each other at the most optimal level with less connections and bridges which can slow down operations, same can be said about the precision and z WS regarding quality testing, but the use of top of the line technologies and innovation in the WS class niche is something quite radical, those kind of pc's are usually take the orthodox approach and rarely utilise top of the line technologies in the built-in form and not as an upgradable 3rd party deck or card, which at the overall approach you can actually save some money with this product depends on you'r field of production, again only time and tests will tell if that's true or profitable. now regarding our second discussion, osx vs windows OS, The most relavant part in any WS is the stability of operations, WS class pc's built to excel at this field mainly, therefor they cost that much, so the differences in OS's might not be that noticeable, although from the technical perspective OSX based on unix which much more stable then any windows machine and utilise resources in a whole different level, combine that with the custom built hardware which was picked to work best with OSX and all by the same company which developed both and have access to the operating system sourceCode and can optimise it too to fit best with the dedicated hardware and here you have something that other WS makers will have hard time to comete against, again, regarding the stability and performance of the machine in some fields, though most of us will use 3rd party apps anyways which makes that advantage less relevant aside the basic fileHandling and overall system use/multiTasking operations. now for the last part, our production niche: both OS and machines can and will work with all 3rd party apps, aside finalCut and few other not that popular production apps, though apple OS by it self have lots of built in functionalities which can save you lots of time for automated proceeders which for window OS you'll have to download dedicated app for each task, that's just one example among many time saving and customisable tools you have built-in with OSX, and as you know in the production environment, time is everything, so at the bottom line, everything you can do in mac u can do with windows and via versa, hack u can even install windows on mac (not the other way around), though I dont see any good reason to do that, lastly said, it all concludes at the 3rd party app you work with and which OS it supports better and in which machine it gets higher benchmarks score, everything else is just irrelevant, pro's and cons you'll find in both machines, so, let me declare this discussion as pointless, the benchmarks of the app u work with vs costEfficient long run is the way to look at things when you pick one of those machines, now KEEP CALM and UPVOTE THIS COMMENT - it's my first one :) ))
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June 23, 2013 12:33:39 AM

you triple posted :D 

But anyway, as for the claim that you can't put Apple's workstation-class machines against a standard PC... that's because until you drop in that second CPU, the PC can beat the PANTS off the Mac for the same money.

Once you throw that second CPU in, you can afford to buy a workstation-class PC that will, once again, beat the pants off of it.

And I guess all the 'Macs r used fur creeativ wurk' guys don't think that the visual effects and animation field is very creative.
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