Dream Desk Features / What do you hate about your current workspace

[manofchalk]

Dont mind me, just doing a bit of market research .

As an Industrial Design task for school I have chosen to design a desk built for the extreme computer enthusiast, with the computer built into the desk in a similar manner to the Cross Desk by Red Harbringer or the L3P D3SK by a modder that goes by the handle L3P.
Full support for enthusiast equipment like water-cooling included!

Basic idea of it right there.

So I ask, what features would you want on your ideal work desk? Stuff like integrated monitor stands, multiple shelves, swinging arm shelves or even rubberized table tops or lipped edges to catch wayward pens. I then have to cram a computer and water-cooling equipment somewhere between all that, so lay it all on me .

And to make sure I have done it all right, tell me what you hate about your current work desk. Is it too small, not enough storage, poor design, not adjustable for your height? Every gripe you have I want to hear about.

Thanks for any feedback you might give, it helps immensely with the design process on something like this.

 

[drewhoo]

I wouldn't want a lip on all sides of my desk, just on the back as I tend to push things off of the back accidentally. That idea is pretty cool. I'd love to be able to sit my coffee on my CPU heatsink so it would stay warm longer!

The only other thing I can think of is that I prefer to stand at my desk (my brain stops working if I sit down) so stability and having the monitor at a different height than the keyboard is really important for me.

 

[gamerxavier]

I plan to build a desk myself. My biggest focus is the desk being modular. Having extensions and expansions at many points. I could go on forever about the design itself. I'm going to be designing this desk for a few years and then build it.

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It's difficult to describe in words how this all works. The image in my head is very nice and I love how it looks. It offers modularity to the desk for years of different designs to the chassis itself and at the same time unique integration to the desk. Then the frame would be made of a nice oak wood I think. Still looking into materials. But, nevertheless I think a desk integration with the computer hardware comes into many things and those things are just not touched when done by most people. Modularity is a big thing I'd think. The ability to add and expand on the entire desk as well as integrate certain things into the desk that would be "cool". Other ideas I've had were add a part to the desktop that could be lifted up slightly or just moved around too allow a fan to blow into a laptop or something of that nature if your running a laptop on the desk. Also a section built on the desk as an extension to support your modem/router and have fans and cooling in these extensions because we all know these devices as many others like to get hot.

edit: with my plan as far as expandability and modularity. I could even remove the desktop and cut out a part of it or make a section interchangeable and add in a touch screen monitor into the desktop itself. I think after a certain price point this is something you just "have" to do, as it's cool and very unique.

If I know how to manage 3D work in CAD I'd upload photos of it, but yeah I am doing 2D stuff with cad right now and it doesn't look presentable enough to upload atm.

~Desktop dimensions~

Depth 32"

Length
Front: Desktop 60"
Front section: 25-1/2" main desktop + 14-1/2" X 2 Side storage exenstions
(option: slant inward the storage exentsions?)
Back Section:

Height- 36" total (back)
29" height front desktop base (Front)

Center desk: 25-1/2" length 36" depth
Side Exentions: 14-1/2" length 18" depth Slant inward to the user about a 60-90 degree angle.

Desktop all one piece to cover the entire desk (including extensions) 60" length 32" center depth. Curve desktop to go with the exentions being slanted.


Chassis:
A unique designed chassis to contain the hardware, Will be designed of an oakwood frame and mostly plexiglass and a darker light weight material for surfacing. Will consist of many cathode lights, that will run through out the bottom and top parts.

Chassis Bottom: Under the desktop slanted outward in a degree angle so the inside is visible from a top viewing angel.
Will have this designed in a fasion so the hardware sits flat while the unit itself is slanted. Also the top part where it meets the desktop will be flat about 2 inches of surface to the desktop for peripheral connectors.

Chassis Top: Placed on top of the desktop consuming the back 18" and approximately 30-44" of length. Will be removable via either slide or a latch down.

Other thoughts...
I think a lot of people will enjoy and prefer having desktop space and use a keyboard slider. At the same time, desktops get cluttered by things so if your hardware is right there it'll over time become less "cool" as you realize how non-flashy it really is having your hardware in such a location. Not, too mention having to move all your monitors and whatever else sits on your desktop to apply what could be a quick fix.
If you want your hardware super flashy, but not underneath as mine would be. (I'd have my desk so that spot is where people would see it.) Then you could do a similar design but have the chassis section above the monitors, use your imagination on how. The possibilities truly are endless with this.

For designing a desk chassis like this, I think a few factors come down to it. It's always personal preference. Specifications from the person. The location the desk it is going to be is a huge if not the biggest factor as to how to integrate certain things for "flash", because with something like this what's the point if there's no flash.
That is assuming you don't apply the modularity. My plan is huge for that. I plan now for it being chassis under, but, my design will allow me to build extension on to it and add an overhead if I wanted to for the hardware.

I think a small monitor built into part of the desk (for my style the back part where it rises) this monitor specific for hardware monitoring and other such things. Maybe even touch screen.

 

[ssddx]

@manofchalk

i'm a cad designer by trade. i suppose you could consider this a facet of industrial design. architectural, civil, mechanical, space planning i've pretty much done it all. i will list some comments below on what i use and what i think would be an ideal desk.

@gamerxavier

i am not trying to quench your creativity as it is a good thing but i would like to point out that practicality is most important. you may be interested to see the points i list below as well.

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first and formost the most important facet of industrial design is practicality. the desk that you listed is not practical at all. it is much too expensive and has quite a few design flaws at the expense of being very nice in the aesthetics department.

while i agree to a point that having more ambient air (a larger space) around parts is a good idea, if you have too much then the fans are not very efficient at moving air across them which can actually be detrimental. instead of cold air bein sucked in and then exhausted in a very short time frame you instead have a mass of swirling air inside this table which can build up more heat thereby losing efficiency.

to combat this you would have to build partitions to segment the components or box off space for the components. in the latter example you have now just made a pc case attached to a desk. a far better idea is to incorporate standard elements into your desk design for it to be practical and relatively low cost.

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i will start with what i personally use....

my very cost effective desk solution at only $50

my cable management system using commonly available panduit

since i do have enough space along the wall the 7ft length of the desk solves my need to put components within reach but to still have ample room on the desk for anything else i desire. while it certainly isnt pretty it does accomplish my needs.

the panduit mounted below the desk solves the wire management problem perfectly. while things may look completely jumbled do realize that you are only seeing perhaps 10% of the actual cables if that. i have about 20 cables stuffed in there. i could have been neater with wire organization and zip tied them together but i take them out periodically and clean everything out so that is a no go.

the power strips mounted underneath also solve a problem however are not in the best location.

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ideally these are features that should be included in a good desk:

outlets and a surge protector or at least mounts for them. one way to go about this is to use the long strip type surge protectors and to have it built into the front of the desk. on off switches for every device with spaces for labels. the plugs connect into the back side of the device. another way is to have a mount for commercially available surge protectors to be placed. the following image is a good idea however what it is lacking is an open metal mounting plate (it needs to be open to allow air to flow around it) and a wire grommet or access hole so that you can close the door.

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the next feature that every desk should feature is cable management. after using panduit for so long i have to tell you that the common tray type systems found in most computer desks are far inferior. the snap off covers allow you to literally stuff as many cables as you want inside them and the slots allow you to bring the cables out wherever you want and having the rest of the cable stay in place. the one thing panduit lacks is a nice way to get all the wires to the wall but this can be solved with some spiral cable wrap.

i would suggest an under the desk mount for a full tower case. you want it to be completely open at least on the front rear and left for airflow. allowing space for a backup battery device would be smart also.

i would suggest an adjustable shelf on the one far side for putting perepherals such as a printer, receiver, console or other device. in fact it may be beneficial to have multiple levels. this should be adjustable.

table height should be fully adjustable.

the table surface itself should be very thin if using a mouse and keyboard ontop so that you can place the table low enough for good ergonomics without pressing down on your legs.

it should be optional for an undermount keyboard and mouse tray. personally i think they are all garbage but some people like them. be sure to make it very wide though. wider is always better than not wide enough. make this removable.

perhaps a built in usb hub, microphone and headset connector ports and a few other options can be built in to the desk for convenience.

there should be a bracket which can allow three, two or one vesa mount monitors to be used in case the user wants them off the desk. cable management should be included on the bracket.

as far as construction materials you could go with glass and steel, wood and steel, wood, laminate and steel or perhaps steel and composite materials. i would not suggest plexiglass.

while what suggested may sound basic it fulfills all requirements while being cost effective which means a larger market share and higher profit. a success really.

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the product you listed at the start is a niche product.

there is much custom work that needs to be done to get the end result which essentially means you would be creating a barebones case.

while it looks very nice in terms of aesthetics it just isnt very practical and such a product almost needs to be taylor designed for the individual person and parts used.

if that is the case then special length cables are not an issue.

in a custom built scenario i would compartmentalize the parts for a more ideal in-out airflow, add the features i talked about above and make the table top removeable in sections while maintaining liquid impermeability.


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just a few ideas...

 

[gamerxavier]

oh I don't expect my plans to be cheap. I'll be dropping thousands in it when time comes. This is going to be my "dream" project over time. I'll build much smaller more practical integrated chassis desks prior. But, as stated this is about the dream desk is not ;D! The chassis unit wouldn't be all that big, and in truth it is technically having a chassis attached my desk. but the point is the fact it is custom and integrated and what I "want". It is a set in other words. Which was one of my other builds just building a chassis and having the desk with it as a set, this way it is more integrated though with my current design.

I would think that is all part of this. Considering after a certain price point being dumped into technology especially enthusiasts. There's really nothing "worth" doing other than going crazy completely customizing everything. A completely personalized desk design with true integration and modularity all around would give people that come this route something further and practically limitless to expand upon. Then after this they could move into other forms of integration (into their home itself..).

Edit: Sharing my "dream" desk was simply to provoke thought. Something as extensive would be far beyond any school project xD.

http://forums.bit-tech.net/forumdisplay.php?f=2
Here is a forum where you can find scratch builds and other mods.

 

[ssddx]

your dream desk is a 100% custom ordeal.

you may want to look at some of the topics i covered though for your own use.

there really is nothing wrong with having a drop in open case however one issue is static discharge. metal computer case builds up the charge instead of the components. this is an often overlooked fact.

you'd be amazed what i did for my college projects projects awhile back. a few things i did were a 10,000 line perspective drawing of a house exterior complete with thickness shown for siding, a 3d clawfoot tub which actually was impossible to create using our software set yet i made it happen with ingenuity and a complete house design with foamcore color printed model. going above and beyond can really teach you alot and is highly suggested.

the nice thing about cadd is that you can explore possibilities rather quickly so its great for conceptual design.

creating a nice piece of furniture is a great idea. i'm just trying to save you some headache along the way by listing some issues with the design idea posted by manofchalk so that you can learn from it and improve upon your design.

you know the whole measure twice cut once ordeal.

edit:

a few months ago i made myself a nice piece of furniture...

its not a very good photo of the craftsmanship since i mainly took this photo to show my fish but you can see the wood base that i created. in total with materials it was about $500 including all of the pvc fittings underneath.

i think it turned out quite nice. definitely better than what you can buy commercially (well at least for the price) so i do definitely agree with building your own furniture.

 

[gamerxavier]

It wouldn't be metal, I want my frames to be of wood, then plastics for the chassis itself. For this I think plexiglass works well for some parts then I'll find some other plastic type material or even just use a type of wood for parts of the chassis. That is an area yet to be explored. I'm still designing bits and pieces. I do expect this to change over time many times, but modularity is my primary focus. So, that as certain things change the desk itself can adapt.

I've got cad as well. I just suck at using it and I'm not about to pay a grand for lessons at the local college here. Well, rather I haven't had a desire to take too learning it on my own... I will over time though..

My primary reason for doing all of this is because I love building desks and things like that. I've built a few desks. I can't stand the computer chassis I can buy honestly. I've tested many cases and I'm just not content with them. I look at ones like the 800D think eh it'd be nice. But, I still Want to build my own computer chassis, so why not go crazy and build the desk and it as a unit or something of that nature.

Them some big fish, tank looks nice!


Edit: I'm sure many things will change once I familiarize myself with the materials available. I just have to imagine there are types of durable plastics that would be perfect for the chassis design. I'm roughing up a 3D thing for the chassis I'll post. It's really ugly just a drawing thing but lol.

Okay, a quick briefing. Basically the 2 things on the sides would be used as support (they'd be a darker color). I figured I'd either slide it into the base of the desk (the sides would slide into the desks legs), and make it so the upper part can move so to connect that part to the desktop for the peripheral part. also, I'd have the motherboard on a raised surface so I can run the cords underneath, I'd use a dark- probably black material for this surface, I'd have it so I can lift it up from the back as well for easy access. The back part would also open with doors. The front line is to kinda give an idea where I'd put a rad or even just a few fans in the front.
There's tons of options I could do with this, just use your imagination expand on the idea etc etc. Just a rough thing here. not near complete in idea or design.

Most everything hardware wise will be in this part. The only thing the connectors are for which will be above are things like extra storage and other bays, readers, usb etc. More or less just a place of expansion.

 

[manofchalk]

Well, I thought that after a day I wouldn't get any bites on this thread, much less all that has been posted so far .

@ Drewhoo

Wouldnt have though there be much want for a standing desk... Well, the market has spoken!
Maybe I could design an alternate pair of legs that are designed for a standing user, as I don't think the adjustment of the desk would extend that far.
But anyway, thanks for the feedback. I had not considered a standing user.

@ssddx

Spoiler

first and formost the most important facet of industrial design is practicality. the desk that you listed is not practical at all. it is much too expensive and has quite a few design flaws at the expense of being very nice in the aesthetics department.

I assume your referring too the Cross Desk?
Its going to be releasing at around $2000 "soon". For what it is, I wouldn't consider it outlandishly expensive, dedicated cases with its capabilities often run close to $1000 (Caselabs Magnum TX10-D) and I imagine a similar desk (if one were inclined to spend so much) wouldn't be too far off making up the difference. Also as is mentioned by Xavier about price is quite true, the market for the product I am designing isn't too concerned about money. Or at the very least, the final cost of the desk isnt much of a factor to what I am designing.
You say you see design flaws in the Cross Desk? Could you point them out, because I largely have used it (and the L3P D3SK) as inspiration for what I am doing and am imitating it a fair bit.

the next feature that every desk should feature is cable management

Definitely a concern for what I am doing, as I have to consider the internal rig cable management and external. Power for the rig I intend to run through one of the legs, which will lead to the PSU. For monitors as well I'm considering building the power cable into the stand itself and using some kind of split cable to power all three at once from the one cable. Its been done before, my research showed me that much so it shouldn't be too hard to just say it can happen.
For mouse/keyboard cables and rear I/O, I was thinking some kind of rubber grommet at the rear of the case to allow that.

i would suggest an adjustable shelf on the one far side for putting perepherals such as a printer, receiver, console or other device. in fact it may be beneficial to have multiple levels. this should be adjustable.

I considered an overhead shelf in the design, but feel that it might cause issues with the monitor stand that I have decided is going to be stock with the desk. I have an overhead shelf and know its usefulness for semi-permanent fixtures, but I feel that it wouldn't mesh that well with it.
In terms of a side shelf, got it covered. The way the desk is shaped basically wraps around the user, its not pure rectangle like the Cross Desk is.

perhaps a built in usb hub, microphone and headset connector ports and a few other options can be built in to the desk for convenience.

It is a computer case, you think I would neglect front I/O?

as far as construction materials you could go with glass and steel, wood and steel, wood, laminate and steel or perhaps steel and composite materials. i would not suggest plexiglass.

This I am not too sure on, I'v largely just assumed the materials used on the Cross Desk (Glass, Steel and some Aluminium Alloy) would be the materials used on this. Definitely want to stick with Glass and Metals, this thing needs to reek of money and cutting edge technology. Wood I dont think would work well with what I have in mind.
The only oddball material I have thought of is a type of clear resin that would be applied to the glass panel above the components. Prevents it being scratched, gives it bit more friction and some texture. Also to help with writing on it, I have found that using pen/pencils on a glass surface isn't a good experience.

@gamerxavier

Spoiler

At the same time, desktops get cluttered by things so if your hardware is right there it'll over time become less "cool" as you realize how non-flashy it really is having your hardware in such a location. Not, too mention having to move all your monitors and whatever else sits on your desktop to apply what could be a quick fix.

I figured that desktop area could be an issue, so I intend to maximize it in every way possible. An integrated monitor stand to the desk would lift the monitors off the desk, and due to the way its mounted the stand itself shouldn't take any desktop space.

Then you could do a similar design but have the chassis section above the monitors, use your imagination on how. The possibilities truly are endless with this.

:lol:
Believe it or not I have already come up with a design with that very idea, just based to work with my existing desk and not a custom designed one.
Unfortunately it never got off the ground as I have no clue how I would build something of that complexity. With this design im doing now, building it isn't a concern so as long assembly/construction all works in theory I'm fine.

 

[manofchalk]

In terms of how far along I am with the project, I am in the Development stage. So I'v already figured out idea's and which general ones to go for, and am expanding and detailing those out. Havent gone beyond rough sketches yet.

The way that I'v sort of organized it is that I split the desk into three parts, the legs, desk itself and monitor stand and work on each individually (of course making sure they are compatible and work with each other) over the course of the next three weeks. Being a High School project, its fairly structured in how this is done so I cant really deviate from this.

The Legs I dont actually have much on, but they are a fairly simple thing to do so I imagine wont require too much design work. Currently going for an angled leg design, similar to what is present on the Cross Desk.

The Desk itself so far has been limited to its shape and playing with layers. Ultimately I decided to stick with a single layer (if you don't count the monitor stand as one) and to go with one of these shapes. Currently leaning quite heavily toward the Angled Wrap Around shape.

So the Monitor stand is what I am working on currently, and I have decided from my initial idea's than an under desk mount would be the best solution.

So for now I'm just looking at idea's on how to expand on monitor stand idea. Have a few floating around in my head like having the monitor array on a rail, so that way it can be moved around the rear of the desk in an arc. Joint hinges on the vertical bar so it can move forward and back and obviously height adjust using a pin system similar to whats found on gym equipment. Cable management will be integrated into the stand somehow, though will be fairly difficult if the entire array is on rails .

 

[ssddx]

@gamerxaviar

even as a cad designer by trade i'm confused as to what you are implying with that design. i think you need to add more details and provide a true orthographic projection (top, side and front views) in addition to isometric. text labels showing individual components would also help.

@manofchalk

how many people do you know of that will completely blow $2000 on a table slash case and will invest the $2000+ for components and then all of the extra money on top of this for monitors, ccfl backlighting and all the bells and whistles? we are talking about a very small minority of people and there are already quite a few products which fill this void as you have said.

i'm not trying to take away your creativity by any means or crush your hopes and dreams. i'm just trying to say that a practical design is easily marketed and may be a better choice for the masses. i realize this is only a high school project but is this the field that you want to eventually get a job in?

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honestly do consider something like panduit. its not terribly expensive and its better than any other cable management i've seen short of custom jobs.

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i was saying adding an i/o plate to the desk assuming its not one big case.

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glass and steel would work. you need rubber washers though to prevent the glass from shattering when using bolts.

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the above the desk design while definitely unique isnt very practical. think how annoying it would be to have to stand up just to put a new disk in the cd drive. also to get to components would be a real hassle.

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actually standing at the pc is commonplace. in an office of perhaps 300-400 we had at least 5 people that i knew of who liked standing. normally it has to do with a bad back or other physical issue but i suppose some people think better when standing as well.

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if you still want to design a pc case desk then you need to tackle the flaws of the original link which are:

-bad airflow/higher ambient temperatures
-poor ergonomics for i/o
-desk design limits the user to one sitting position
-hard to work on components
-limited cable management
-poor adjustability

if you want the best ergonomics a rounded wrap around desk is best. essentially just take your design and put a radius on the two intersections you sit at and round the outside of the desk at the outside corners. the first design would be good to use in an open area however the alternative design would be far better for against a wall. seeing as how you need airflow around this desk i suggest the first.

i would suggest the third style of stand which is the top mount version. it is far stronger than the under desk mount and really the only con is that the monitors may be a bit closer depending on where you put it. keep in mind that you fan fix this by going with a fishhook design to pull the monitors back or putting everything on a spring arm which is fully adjustable. wouldnt it be nice to be able to move everything around like it was just hainging there?

cd drives, usb and power buttons all need to be within arms reach. while the front of the desk may work realize that you can press them accidentally with your chair or even snap off the cd tray with the chair. a better location would be off to the one side above the desk. perhaps have them built into the base of one of the shelves for components. i would put the power switch here too.

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just maybe i'll sketch something up for you... dunno.

let me know if you have decided to go with a more practical design for just elements external to the pc case or if you intent to pursue this custom desk pc.

 

[gamerxavier]

Yeah, I don't work with the 3D cad thing much and that was a quick make. I'll put some time into it at some point, just haven't had the time quite yet xD.

As far as building the chassis overhead. I was thinking something much taller, and you could perhaps even have the monitors hanging from this if it's build right. Then that solves desktop space and a better location for hardware, both visibly and an easier access point. Then shaping it could be unique, but even a simple box design would work nicely.

 

[ssddx]

orthographic projection is a 2d line drawing mockup of a 3d object

its the same as drawing a side, front and top view of an object.

 

[gamerxavier]

Yeah, I've got something like that made for the desk itself. But, the chassis design is a work in progress. Haven't had time to really work on that in cad. The desk itself is my primary focus, that modularity. The chassis will change, as long as the desk can adapt it won't matter ^_^.

 

[CommentariesAnd More]

While your plans and ideas are good manofchalk , there is no such demand and sense for table PC. Sure people prefer less space taking ( why does mini itx exist ? ) Table PC's are a completely different thing. Just like ultrabooks and laptops. Laptops were the need , ultra books , a waste. Though they are still selling there is no such thing that gives the enthusiast the advantage , not even when it comes to size and weight , since how often you carry your laptop and feel its heavy ? Secondly marketing and manufacturers appeals at it , its what makes everything famous and selling ( unless you are Intel and nViDia ) Ultrabooks were made by almost every leading laptop manufacturer. But they stabbed them too ( By realising lighter and smaller laptops and releasing cheaper laptops with similar specs of a ultra book ) So the average consumer , went for laptops. Not gonna go out of topic , but thats what Table PCs are facing , no demand , no need , high price and no manufacturer. It therefore lands to the world of 100% CUSTOM MADE. But yeah , if you want my opinion on the table PC , I would add a external SSD / HDD slot ( like the CM X-DOCK ) Also I suggest you to buy a modular cabinet like the Antec Lanboy Air and tear it apart , borrow the parts and utilise them for your PC ( like the Motherboard tray , PSU mount , Front Panel , etc )

 

[manofchalk]

I see the integrating of the PC and desk as finding a good common ground. When it comes to workspace, bigger is better. When it comes to computers, smaller is better, but because of what we want to do with them (water-cooling mainly) they need to be large. So put the machine in the space where its better for it to be large.

Great thing about this, its purely a design task. Manufacturers aren't a concern, even final price and market demand isn't to an extent. I have no intention to build this thing (and if I were too, definitely not for a few years and nowhere near as complex as what I would be designing here).

Didn't think of a hot swap bay, thanks for that.

I'v got a relatively big update to the design coming, but haven't gotten around to properly fleshing it out yet. The shape of the desk will be changing to make 5.25" bays a lot more accessible, now it will be a semi-decagon so that way the "arms" are parallel with each other. I would prefer to keep the edges, as I think a design that's purely circular wouldn't work all that well and will make it much harder to integrate components with. The internal edge closer to the back of the desk I will probably make circular, as ergonomics are more important and its not like I would be putting interfaces there.

 

[ssddx]

i wouldnt put any ports on the front personally. this is where you sit and anything you put there can have the chair (or you) ramming into it.

put the usb, hot swaps, power switches and all that jazz up top.

perhaps have a small step up in the back and have all cd trays and hot swaps underneath with the usb and power switches up top.

dont forget a fan controll.

remember larger is not always better.

i think the overall size of the desktop is great for working with however the internal space is a bit too large for good air cooling (remember the entire pc is not liquid cooled) so you still need airflow.

what are you planning to do about dust?

 

[manofchalk]

Front I/O I'm thinking of doing a small "control panel" that's at the back left of the desk and raised up. Basically a small triangular prism with power/reset button, USB and all that on it. More convenient than on the front and "side" panels of the desk, though 5.25" bays will have to go there.
Where the user will be sitting, I agree no interfaces at all. Cant imagine too many people want their thumb drive sticking them in the gut if they scoot too close to the desk.

Fan controller I will leave to the user to install in a 5.25" bay. Ultimately anyone who is buying something like this will be using their own controller, they wouldn't want anything that's built into the desk itself.
I had a hard time explaining this concept to other people in my class when an inbuilt keyboard was suggested .

Yeah, I'v been considering airflow for a while. The air is going to be exhausted out of the rear and arms of the desk, the quick solution would be too have it intake from the space where the user is. However, dont think thats a good idea.
What I'm going too have is a compartment underneath the desk for running cables and tubing (G1/4" pass-through's in convenient locations), and fans will draw air into that compartment which through grills will disperse cool air to the case proper. If it can all work, could also funnel air in through the legs.

In truth I havent thought about dust, will probably just have some kind of removable filter on all the intakes.

 

[ssddx]

personally i wouldnt put the 5.25 bays on the front of the desk. it can be done however if the cd drive pops open and you turn the chair without realizing it then SNAP.

this is not exactly what i'm suggesting but it will help you visualize

a mini shelf like this over part of the desk but enclosed so you can put some hardware installed. this could double as a printer stand or even can be placed under the monitors (which would be on a stand at the back so they have space under them)

it sounds like you want air to be diffused into the case. while having some diffused air is definitely a good idea (typically you want high internal static pressure so the air actually difusses outward) you should have direct airflow instead. putting 90 degree angle changes and having the airflow go through all sorts of twists and turns reduces airflow by quite a bit.

instead of making the tabletop one uniform thickness if you just made it thicker on both sides and left the center fairly flat you could then use the inside and outside of the wings for direct input of air. honestly the right or left side is enough for a pc, even watercooled so the other side could be used for something completely different if need be.

 

[Buzz247]

2 things I wish my desk had -height adjustable (worm drive electric lift), and much better kb mouse utilitarian design.

Kb tray pull out, but then I have to reach up and out for the mouse on desktop, and stretch to reach over and get items on my desk if I dont want to fool with tray again. So why not a panel that drops or lifts and slides back to reveal a recessed kb mouse area? Can still sit up to the desk rather than back due to tray pull out, even make recessed area adjustable for ergo tilt

 

[J_E_D_70]

I like the PC up top idea. Intakes centered on the back and exhausted out the top. Think this would really deaden the noise relative to user's position.

 

[manofchalk]

Wow, I completely forgot about this thread.
Sorry I haven't updated in ages, I have kind of finalized the design of the desk since my last post.

Right now I am in the process of getting a nice render off it using Keyshot 4. This is one I have managed to get so far, though I will have to go back into the Sketchup model too adjust it to work properly in Keyshotas well as just become better at using it.

If anyone wants to see it in more detail, here's the Sketchup file.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/8x963u39vbg3b34/Finished_desk_%2B_Monitor_screens.skp

Just as a note, my inspiration for this project has just gone on sale.
http://www.redharbinger.com/product/pre-sale-us-release-limited-edition-cross-desk/

 

[drewhoo]

Nice!

 

[CommentariesAnd More]

Wow your PC seems like a big magnet. Also at first when you mentioned that your inspiration was on sale , I thought your table was on sale

 

[manofchalk]

I hadn't noticed it looked like a magnet :lol:
I wish it was on sale, that would mean it exists and I could have it.

The Cross Desk I would get if it weren't US/Canada only at this point... and if I had any money to buy it with. Hopefully this time next year it will be available internationally and I will actually have a job.

 

[bjkill]

I wouldn't want a lip on all sides of my desk, just on the back as I tend to push things off of the back accidentally. That idea is pretty cool. I'd love to be able to sit my coffee on my CPU heatsink so it would stay warm longer!

The only other thing I can think of is that I prefer to stand at my desk (my brain stops working if I sit down) so stability and having the monitor at a different height than the keyboard is really important for me.

I totally agree with you and after months of savings and thinking about it, I took the plunge and ordered one from Frozen CPU. The first thing I did was to see if I can combine that to my current stand desk from http://www.ergotron.com. It will be very heavy so it mightnot work. Then I gave it a bit more thought and came up with the idea that as long as I can get my screens and KB to be at standing level that would be good enough for me and also probably cost less and less complicated. But I am far from done, I am still trying to figure out what mobo to use and whether or not I should wait until Z99 is out with DDR4 ram. I don't think I will wait cause these things usually delay and very expensive and faulty at launch. Anyway will be posting questions I have on the build shorty. Let me know if you want photos or have questions about the desk.

Cheers