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Say What? Average PC Cannot Handle EA's Ignite Engine

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a b 4 Gaming
June 23, 2013 12:07:55 PM

If the average PC is one with an integrated GPU, then I guess they are right, but it sounds more like they just don't want to spend the time and money to make a PC version to me.
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a b 4 Gaming
June 23, 2013 12:10:51 PM

seems like ea's ploy to make money on console versions using 'console-only' optimizations as an excuse.
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a b 4 Gaming
June 23, 2013 12:11:13 PM

Biggest load of bull i have heard next to games on consoles running 2x the performance of a comparable pc
the carmack tweet was for specific graphics functions when you read the whole interview compared to dx9 but in the whole program its never near 2x when optimised for the hardware if they can even make the game that well optimised..

the fact the ps4 and x180 are low end cpu's with mid range gpu's and they initially make the games on pc in the first place makes this bull.
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June 23, 2013 12:13:23 PM

Sounds like an excuse for bad programming.
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June 23, 2013 12:24:53 PM

If we're talking about the average spec PC in the world, probably true. Or it's a way of saying "we can't be bothered to do it properly".
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June 23, 2013 12:27:39 PM

The average PC is probably a Core2 Duo 1.8 GHz, 2GB of RAM and a integrated Intel graphics.
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June 23, 2013 12:34:37 PM

It's optimized in the code for Xbox1 and PS4 CLEARLY.

if Platform != Xbox1 || PS4, run at half clockspeed.
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June 23, 2013 12:36:56 PM

My computer will crush any console...period.
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June 23, 2013 12:46:01 PM

ahhh the sweet smell of bull and lazy...
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June 23, 2013 12:47:44 PM

Seem you guys are upset. It's like APPLE VS GOOGLE. most games run better in a closed system vs games that are ran on a open system with different hardware. Pc people think it's all about crunching raw numbers and it not. Every ps4 and xbone is the same with a SoC cpu/gpu. There are advantages to console over pcs.
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June 23, 2013 12:56:15 PM

All these integrated graphics machines that get sold drive the lowest common denominator down dramatically. Even Intel's crystalwell top of the line is barely competitive. Add that to all the people running 10 year old video cards and boom you have 80% of the population with graphics weaker than a 2006 console. Sad really. But yes modifications to the Ignite engine itself would correct for this and it would not even be an outrageous effort.
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June 23, 2013 12:56:41 PM

70 percent or higher of the PC's on the market couldn't handle Wii U material let alone any EA Sports games. If you bought your PC from a retailer than chances are you got a watered down PC that is almost useless with hardcore Gaming. When the PS4 comes out this fall, it will be more powerful than 85 percent of the PC's currently on the market. Can't wait to see it kick $%^#$%.
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June 23, 2013 12:59:32 PM

what a load of crap ! just give me that new fifa now and i'll murder it with my 780GTX and4770K@4.4Ghz, not even PS5 or XTWO will beat that
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June 23, 2013 1:08:27 PM

Consoles are stricky gaming hardware. Well at least the ps4 is. I'd take a ps4 over any high-end ultra PC ANY DAY.
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June 23, 2013 1:22:23 PM

Of course not, standard off the shelf PCs like he is describing barely have enough juice to play minecraft. They just don't want to spend what it would take to make a really good title just for the gaming PC crowd that wouldn't be profitable to them since we are the minority of gamers. I bet my 2 gtx 780s in sli and 4770k @ 4.5, 16gb of ram and 512gb SSD could easily handle that engine. But I'm in the top 1% of hardware like this they will naturally flock to the consoles where the money is at.
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June 23, 2013 1:22:50 PM

Translation: "We don't want to expend the time nor the resources to properly remake our games for PC, so we will put the blame on an imaginary lack of raw power to explain our shitty outsourced ports."
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June 23, 2013 1:26:27 PM

Your and my PC will vary. The consoles don't. They can optimize the game for that particular console. As for a PC they would have to optimize it for each and every system out there, AMD, INTE, or Intel with Nvidia Graphics, Intel with AMD graphics, AMD with Nvidia Graphics, AMD with AMD graphics, and add in OS's and so forth and so forth.... You understand companys dont want the headache of making a engine for each of your systems so they have to comprimise on the code, its not impossible, but it takes lots of time and effort...Hence the console, 1 console, 1 optimized code, they can base that engine with refinements over the consoles lifetime... Get it? Now get out!
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June 23, 2013 1:32:17 PM

geeze, I hope my 3930K, 16GB or RAM and GTX Titan can handle this... I didn't realize those consoles were so far ahead of the game....

Oh wait, it's EA/Origin, which sucks balls. Who cares.
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June 23, 2013 1:34:49 PM

SirTrollsALot said:
Your and my PC will vary. The consoles don't. They can optimize the game for that particular console. As for a PC they would have to optimize it for each and every system out there, AMD, INTE, or Intel with Nvidia Graphics, Intel with AMD graphics, AMD with Nvidia Graphics, AMD with AMD graphics, and add in OS's and so forth and so forth.... You understand companys dont want the headache of making a engine for each of your systems so they have to comprimise on the code, its not impossible, but it takes lots of time and effort...Hence the console, 1 console, 1 optimized code, they can base that engine with refinements over the consoles lifetime... Get it? Now get out!

tl;dr version: game devs, specifically those at EA are lazy.
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June 23, 2013 1:41:21 PM

What a load of bull, considering the PS4s Graphics bandwidth is of a freaking 150$ video card from 2012, EA is just turning into a big POS, oh well now like i play there crappy sports games anyways.
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June 23, 2013 1:43:05 PM

Sometimes I wish false advertisement was a felony.
No wonder the last EA title I played was Euro 2000.
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June 23, 2013 1:44:24 PM

So hold on a second...

1) The world's worst company in the world, period.
2) making one of the worst software packages... period...
3) for multiple platforms when
a) Both consoles ARE x86 platforms... So while there are a few tweaks that could make them console specific, to code them against PCs you would have to really do that intentionally. But hey we're talking about EA. It is very likely they'll have some "If platform == 'XBox One' {" code just to go anti-PC, cause that's what they do.
b) Both consoles use APUs which are just GPUs on the CPU, In this case AMD (ATI) flavored GPUs. So sure Nvidia GPUs might not work as swell, but ironically M$ used them in their development suite...
4) Most importantly, Both consoles are PCs, Everything should work nicely crossed the board unless as for-mentioned you intentionally put in some blocks or some REALLY bad code. Especially considering the rather pathetic computing power of the XBone.

Now, aside from all that; I don't buy any EA games anymore. I'm done supporting them in anything they do, ever. They've ruined enough good companies buying them and running them into the ground. I don't care if it's gold, if their name is on it, I've got better things to spend my money on.

Lately I've been playing Indie games almost exclusively. I'm actually glad M$ told them to get lost, makes my console choices simple. PS4 it is. If I ever get one at all that is...
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June 23, 2013 1:47:47 PM

What a load of bull, considering the PS4s Graphics bandwidth is of a freaking 150$ video card from 2012, EA is just turning into a big POS, oh well now like i play there crappy sports games anyways.
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June 23, 2013 1:51:24 PM

LOAD OF CRAP....
EA: Worst gaming company out there circa 1982...
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June 23, 2013 1:54:05 PM

This is just a way to sell more consoles....they realize pc gamers are a bunch of pirates...can't blame them. They just want to sell more games....IF (and that's a HUGE IF) they could make the PC versions pirate proof, they'd release the updated PC versions along with the new consoles...but they can't.
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June 23, 2013 2:02:26 PM

70 percent or higher of the PC's on the market couldn't handle Wii U material let alone any EA Sports games. If you bought your PC from a retailer than chances are you got a watered down PC that is almost useless with hardcore Gaming. When the PS4 comes out this fall, it will be more powerful than 85 percent of the PC's currently on the market. Can't wait to see it kick $%^#$%.
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June 23, 2013 2:06:48 PM

masterofevil22 said:
This is just a way to sell more consoles....they realize pc gamers are a bunch of pirates...can't blame them. They just want to sell more games....IF (and that's a HUGE IF) they could make the PC versions pirate proof, they'd release the updated PC versions along with the new consoles...but they can't.


If their games weren't utter garbage, people wouldn't pirate them nearly as much.
I can't blame anyone for pirating some mediocre single player game that gives you 5-6 hours of fun for $60.

Shitty developers/publishers should look up to Blizzard and its Battle.net 2.0 service, mainly SC2. Great campaign, great competitive multiplayer aspect and if you find ladder too demanding you have a great casual custom game multiplayer aspect suitable for anyone in the 'arcade' section.
The addition of spawning makes everything that much better.
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June 23, 2013 2:19:14 PM

Well, considering that majority of hardware dates from Pentium 4 and Core 2 days, this isn't exactly a surprise.
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June 23, 2013 2:23:09 PM

mercurynine said:
Seem you guys are upset. It's like APPLE VS GOOGLE. most games run better in a closed system vs games that are ran on a open system with different hardware. Pc people think it's all about crunching raw numbers and it not. Every ps4 and xbone is the same with a SoC cpu/gpu. There are advantages to console over pcs.


hakesterman said:
70 percent or higher of the PC's on the market couldn't handle Wii U material let alone any EA Sports games. If you bought your PC from a retailer than chances are you got a watered down PC that is almost useless with hardcore Gaming. When the PS4 comes out this fall, it will be more powerful than 85 percent of the PC's currently on the market. Can't wait to see it kick $%^#$%.


You are comparing apples to oranges much?

An average GAMING PC should be compared to a PS4/XBONE, not the average PC (aka the Facebook / flash games computer). The average gaming PC has a much stronger GPU (by over 2x) and a stronger CPU than either one, has at least as much RAM. A gaming PC is more expensive, but take the $650 machine from the last system builder marathon, and it absolutely CRUSHES the hardware in any "next gen" console. Closed system or not, EA are making excuses for bad code... sure, it's not just numbers, but this screams of an engine optimized for consoles with zero development for PCs.
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June 23, 2013 2:34:24 PM

Funny, engines designed around ultra low-end laptop parts. This gen is going to be full of comic relief: "Its got bandwidths! I don't know what that does or means but I'm going talk out of my butt about it."
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June 23, 2013 2:35:28 PM

Wow! It takes special effort to make games with poor graphics run bad on even a good PC.
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June 23, 2013 2:40:31 PM

hmmm a load of BS the reason why fifa 10 and 9 ran sluggish and bad is because they were poorly ported. They didn't run badly because the 'average' machine couldn't handle them. I ran fifa 9, 10 and 11 all on the same system setup. Fifa 11 ran smooth and worked very well compared to the others. My system was more than capable to run 9 and 10 as well. They were just horrid lazy releases for the pc. I hope that fifa 14 doesn't suffer from the same sort of laziness that made 9 and 10 horrid.
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June 23, 2013 2:50:33 PM

In other words, it's just a bad port ala GTA IV to pc.

I mean seriously, you really expect a 3770K + GTX 670 grinding to a halt to EA's Ignite engine? Don't make me laugh..
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June 23, 2013 2:52:17 PM

Translation: Modern day gaming computers can run current gen games in 3d, 120hz, 16x AA and filtering, texture replacement mods. The next xbox is 3x is fast as the last gen, so current gen pc can run those same games. We want everyone to buy the game on console.... and then again on PC 8 months later.

Also: the "average" pc is barely anything. For every home gaming pc there are 10,000 office computers running a centrino and a hampster on a wheel for gpu compute.
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June 23, 2013 3:30:27 PM

I actually like EA games, great music also IMHO. I'm pretty sure they are referring to PC's with thousands of different (mostly low end CPU/GPU with insufficient cooling) hardware configs being more difficult to develop for than the 3 major consoles - remember WiiU...

Not to mention the complaints people will have about the game not running well because of virus/malware and user error. Some games have auto-detect which is awesome but the "just buy cheapest" trend causes some people to be butt hurt, they can still try the brilliant OnLive if they have a decent net connection.

How else do you suggest supporting every config for PC gaming? Isn't that what DirectX is about?
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June 23, 2013 3:41:19 PM

Thanks for the laugh. I needed it.
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June 23, 2013 3:55:39 PM

More like
if(Platform == XboxOne || Playstation 4)
{
this.clockspeed = clockspeed / 2;
}
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June 23, 2013 3:56:41 PM

I have no clue what they are talking about Fifa 11 or 12 plays on basically anything.

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The highest detail settings at full HD resolution will play at over 60 FPS with the fast mid-range GeForce GT 540M. The less powerful Radeon HD 6630M was able to provide acceptable frame rates on the ultra settings as well, but at about half the average of the GeForce GT 540M.


Notebookcheck. 540m is now APU/igp level.
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June 23, 2013 3:58:43 PM

EA and consoles. whoa I can't wait to see the hate in the comment sections. plus it is about consoles specs, so everyone can wip out their pc specs and compare who is bigger.
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June 23, 2013 3:59:40 PM

We can run Total War games with 80,000+ combat AI battling it out across maps that are over a mile wide in real-time. Your soccer game shouldn't be an issue.
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June 23, 2013 4:49:28 PM

OMG! EA contender for most bullshit ever said!

Worst company 3 years in a row for a hat-trick? Go EA Go!
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June 23, 2013 4:50:14 PM


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I have no clue what they are talking about Fifa 11 or 12 plays on basically anything.

To true, My friend runs it on his onboard GPU with out any probs lol.

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I actually like EA games, great music also IMHO. I'm pretty sure they are referring to PC's with thousands of different (mostly low end CPU/GPU with insufficient cooling) hardware configs being more difficult to develop for than the 3 major consoles - remember WiiU...

Not to mention the complaints people will have about the game not running well because of virus/malware and user error. Some games have auto-detect which is awesome but the "just buy cheapest" trend causes some people to be butt hurt, they can still try the brilliant OnLive if they have a decent net connection.

How else do you suggest supporting every config for PC gaming? Isn't that what DirectX is about?

What are you talking about? Nobody disagrees that programming games for the PC is trickier than that of a standardised console. That's not to say that people have a hard time getting games to work. Gaming on the pc these days is a lot more easier as most of the hardware does a decent job with the data it is handling. Gone are the days where you had to set up your own IRQ for graphic cards and sound cards. Sure some people have trouble but it's not as bad as you are hyping it up to be. Most of the problems of games not running well that I've personally encountered were due to bad ports (i.e. GTA4; fifa 9 and 10).
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June 23, 2013 4:52:42 PM

Btw, anyone who buys a PC with IGP and think he will game on it is a) badly misinformed or b) dumb. Does EA counts every dummy PC sold and used in a business environment?

Come to think of it, why get offended? It's EA! The very same EA!
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June 23, 2013 4:57:21 PM

amoralman said:
Btw, anyone who buys a PC with IGP and think he will game on it is a) badly misinformed or b) dumb. Does EA counts every dummy PC sold and used in a business environment?

Come to think of it, why get offended? It's EA! The very same EA!


Too true.... I should have learned a long time ago to stop taking EA's incompetence as a personal attack on gamers. As somebody already said above. It's true the average PC would not be able to handle games. However, the average pc wouldn't be able to handle the EA games if you include office and business pc's. The average gaming pc (or should we say pc gamer as lets face the gaming pc is used for a lot more high-end stuff than just gaming) is more than capable of running EA's bag of rushed, incomplete, buggy games.
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June 23, 2013 4:58:16 PM

I'm sorry, isn't that why there are minimum hardware/OS specs listed on the data sheet for each game? I smell bullshit and mining for free publicity. Dig deeper, Tom's - ask WHY.
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June 23, 2013 5:09:15 PM

"An error has occured." Yes, I know, you can't upvote (or downvote) my comment.
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June 23, 2013 5:10:04 PM

Utter Bulls*#@

The 'average pc' in their 'educated' definition clearly includes all non-gaming/business pc's from all countries, just to deliberately skew things away from gaming-proficient pc's.

Very poor, EA.

Try to focus more on the significant numbers of pc's which will meet your 'minimum requirements'. Then, offer maximum eye candy for those that can benefit.

Or, do you have a (not so?) hidden agenda of trying to force casual/regular gaming pc owners into buying one of your supported consoles?

I hope to hell you haven't been trying to persuade other companies to do the same!

While mobile and console markets are clearly profitable, try to recognise and support 'other' systems that greatly exceed their power i.e. mid-high end pc's. Failure to do this will set 'gaming advancement' back many years.
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June 23, 2013 5:11:51 PM

Remember folks, it is a combination of A: The average PC, which really isn't all that powerful, it has integrated graphics, and if not, has a lower powered discrete graphics. B: The average person that plays SPORTS games on the PC. Sure the person playing FPS, or some of the top RPGs have great rigs, but sports game players have always been a bit more casual and less hard core when it comes to building their gaming PCs.

Now, I can't stand EA, but generally what they are saying is true. An optimized console game will for sure run better than low grade PCs.
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