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June 25, 2013 6:24:45 AM

score: qualcomm 1, nvidia 0.
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June 25, 2013 7:09:12 AM

I am excited to see how the Surface Pro 2 will turn out :) 
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June 25, 2013 7:19:26 AM

I don't really understand the point of Surface RT. Surface Pro, heck yes. All of the professionals I've heard from are absolutely in love with theirs, they love the versatility and the ability to ditch their desktop completely unless they have number crunching to do. RT though... if it doesn't run x86 stuff.... why bother?
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June 25, 2013 8:44:09 AM

daekar said:
I don't really understand the point of Surface RT. Surface Pro, heck yes. All of the professionals I've heard from are absolutely in love with theirs, they love the versatility and the ability to ditch their desktop completely unless they have number crunching to do. RT though... if it doesn't run x86 stuff.... why bother?


I can sort of understand why the Surface RT exists but the pricing scheme they have for it is nuts based on that reason. A lot of people like tablets just for media consumption and a full Windows tablet is overkill for that with things more like iPad and Android tablets and Surface RT's being sufficient... But when you price the RT like the horribly overpriced iPad but without the name value of the iPad, you've got a machine that *might* have a niche but has priced itself too large to fit in that niche.

You're right, the Pro - or Windows 8 pro tablets in general - is awesome... The RT would be good for a nice little tablet to play around with as you're on the go, but at over $500? Just doesn't seem to fit. MS is too big for their breeches with this Surface RT thing.
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June 25, 2013 9:10:17 AM

I agree. I like that Microsoft is marking an ARM tablet and that they're wanting to produce a consumption device to get their feet in the iPad\Android tablet market, but without the apps and the robust ecosystems of Apple and Google, they're pretty much screwed. I think the tablet is farily competitive in terms of design and performance, but the content just isn't there. If the content was there and they marketed it correctly and allowed you to download all of the apps on your x86 tablets and PC's, then I think people will definitely migrate to microsoft and enjoy one ecosystem for all their devices, but without that huge app store, the RT world (and windows tablet world in general) just won't take off. Right now, the only appeal of a windows 8 pro tablet is a cool form factor with enormous power and the ability to get rid of the laptop\desktop all together, but as a consumption device, I don't use my win 8 pro tablet for apps, because.. well.. there really isn't any lol.
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June 25, 2013 9:16:52 AM

Intel, you are doing very well! Can't even convince people to use the ARM cpu's!
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June 25, 2013 9:33:25 AM

Wonder if Office on RT will lag with the S800 (or Tegra4) like it did horribly with Tegra3.
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June 25, 2013 11:24:51 AM

I agree. I like that Microsoft is marking an ARM tablet and that they're wanting to produce a consumption device to get their feet in the iPad\Android tablet market, but without the apps and the robust ecosystems of Apple and Google, they're pretty much screwed. I think the tablet is farily competitive in terms of design and performance, but the content just isn't there. If the content was there and they marketed it correctly and allowed you to download all of the apps on your x86 tablets and PC's, then I think people will definitely migrate to microsoft and enjoy one ecosystem for all their devices, but without that huge app store, the RT world (and windows tablet world in general) just won't take off. Right now, the only appeal of a windows 8 pro tablet is a cool form factor with enormous power and the ability to get rid of the laptop\desktop all together, but as a consumption device, I don't use my win 8 pro tablet for apps, because.. well.. there really isn't any lol.
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June 25, 2013 12:40:28 PM

Because the Surface RT is selling so well, they're going to build another one????
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June 25, 2013 3:07:37 PM

Well, I'm also excited about whats Surface RT 2 will be, but it will surely has to be launched based on a new market positioning strategy. I think the Surface PRO an other full Windows 8 Tablets will have its battery time and weight improved, so the advantage of Surface RT will only be the price. I'm using my Surface RT for 7 months, 7 hours/day and started a blog to tell about the experience. Check Surface RT REAL REVIEWS on http://SurfaceRtReview.BlogSpot.com
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June 25, 2013 5:53:58 PM

de5_Roy said:
score: qualcomm 1, nvidia 0.


You must have missed the part saying the WIFI version will have T4. How many do you think really are after a modem in a tablet? I don't see many models having trouble selling without a contract and wireless :) 

Remember that Sony couldn't sell the 3G Vita at all. It's just not used on these types of devices. This will be important to a small audience, just like ultrabooks and I suspect will sell just like them. NOT MANY. So score another for T4 for getting in the next version that will sell more units than the modem versions. Most people who have a tablet already have a phone for calls and use wifi for tablets (say at mcdonalds etc or in 90% of the cases at HOME). Both of these are on RT anyway, which won't sell many to begin with...ROFL.

Considering MS's past MISTAKEN choice of the slow T3~1.3ghz (instead of the 1.7ghz T3+ out the same time which would have gotten far better reviews for what $3-4 more?), I'm guessing the modem one will be a S400 rather than S800. So T4 in the one, and fast, vs S400 with modem for people that need that feature but slower. IF they had them both at the same power (basically T4/S800 are the same until we see some REAL games tested), there would be no need for a T4 version. Qcom's chips are priced higher than Tegra's also so this should be interesting to see how they play this out.
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June 25, 2013 6:01:46 PM

teh_chem said:
Wonder if Office on RT will lag with the S800 (or Tegra4) like it did horribly with Tegra3.


IF they had chose the T3+ @1.7ghz it wouldn't have been an issue. So no, with either of the new ones no problem. They are much faster. A 1.3ghz A9 and crap gpu, compared to quad A15 at 1.9ghz or S800 at 2.2-2.3ghz both with great gpus. There is a HUGE difference between them.

Then again, it doesn't come out and say WHICH qcom chip it has. Might be an S400, which would make it useless for gaming, but I think the modem version is aimed at business people anyway. T4 will be for the users seeking FUN and not aimed at business. They supposedly have outlook coming though so maybe they'll both sell to business. I don't know any business users that don't have a phone on them already, so I think even the wireless aimed at business is kind of useless for a large portion of them. You don't get much work on these besides some emails and browsing. Nobody creates anything on tablets or phones.
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June 25, 2013 6:07:53 PM

GreaseMonkey_62 said:
Because the Surface RT is selling so well, they're going to build another one????


That's precisely the point about the Surface Pro... it's suited for content creation and consumption. When I said business professionals are ditching their desktops for Surface Pro tablets, I meant for everything.
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teh_chem said:
Wonder if Office on RT will lag with the S800 (or Tegra4) like it did horribly with Tegra3.


IF they had chose the T3+ @1.7ghz it wouldn't have been an issue. So no, with either of the new ones no problem. They are much faster. A 1.3ghz A9 and crap gpu, compared to quad A15 at 1.9ghz or S800 at 2.2-2.3ghz both with great gpus. There is a HUGE difference between them.

Then again, it doesn't come out and say WHICH qcom chip it has. Might be an S400, which would make it useless for gaming, but I think the modem version is aimed at business people anyway. T4 will be for the users seeking FUN and not aimed at business. They supposedly have outlook coming though so maybe they'll both sell to business. I don't know any business users that don't have a phone on them already, so I think even the wireless aimed at business is kind of useless for a large portion of them. You don't get much work on these besides some emails and browsing. Nobody creates anything on tablets or phones.


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June 25, 2013 11:54:12 PM

Its a shame MS didn't just have a Intel Core Surface and an Atom Surface from the start and ditch RT before it was even released. The power and battery life of current and next gen Atom CPU's are just as capable as ARM CPU's so there's really no need for RT.
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June 28, 2013 3:51:43 PM

daekar said:
GreaseMonkey_62 said:
Because the Surface RT is selling so well, they're going to build another one????


That's precisely the point about the Surface Pro... it's suited for content creation and consumption. When I said business professionals are ditching their desktops for Surface Pro tablets, I meant for everything.
somebodyspecial said:
teh_chem said:
Wonder if Office on RT will lag with the S800 (or Tegra4) like it did horribly with Tegra3.


IF they had chose the T3+ @1.7ghz it wouldn't have been an issue. So no, with either of the new ones no problem. They are much faster. A 1.3ghz A9 and crap gpu, compared to quad A15 at 1.9ghz or S800 at 2.2-2.3ghz both with great gpus. There is a HUGE difference between them.

Then again, it doesn't come out and say WHICH qcom chip it has. Might be an S400, which would make it useless for gaming, but I think the modem version is aimed at business people anyway. T4 will be for the users seeking FUN and not aimed at business. They supposedly have outlook coming though so maybe they'll both sell to business. I don't know any business users that don't have a phone on them already, so I think even the wireless aimed at business is kind of useless for a large portion of them. You don't get much work on these besides some emails and browsing. Nobody creates anything on tablets or phones.




If by creating content you mean word docs ok and emails (is that content creation?...LOL), but not much else. These are underpowered to do REAL work and will be for a while. It's a niche market that can be replaced with one of these. I wouldn't enjoy working on one of these (too small) and out to my 24in would just be not enough in so many ways to get the job done.
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