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Sony Changed DRM Gears After Negative Xbox One Feedback

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June 28, 2013 6:16:17 PM

sounds like business to me!
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June 28, 2013 6:16:25 PM

still, smart move on Sony's part. you hear about consumers hating something your competitor did? change your plans and don't do it. it's simple logic :) 
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June 28, 2013 6:20:06 PM

Microsoft has shot themselves in the dick at every turn. This is exactly what heppens when you start buying into the "corporations exist to make money!" line of bullshit. Now microsoft has NO ONE in charge that knows ANYTHING about technology. They're all accountants and business people that only care about money.

Corporations exist to produce a product or service. Making money is the side-effect of performing your main function. The instant you switch priorities and put "making money" at the top of the list, the entire place is going to go down in flaming wreckage.
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June 28, 2013 6:28:52 PM

I was kind of surprised. Sony owns SecuRom, which powered the PC version of Bioshock.
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June 28, 2013 6:37:00 PM

Is it just me or is it impossible to up or down-vote comments?
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June 28, 2013 6:41:37 PM

So this means they did have DRM plans. I do not know how to spin that.
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June 28, 2013 6:56:21 PM

So everyone's white knight finally shows its true colors. Nearly everyone in the U.S. has been bagging on microsoft for there DRM policy and now it we find out sony was doing the same thing.

I'm sure all the sony fanboys will disregard this and continue bashing microsoft. However, i find it ironic that microsoft is being punished for being honest and upfront about what they were doing. While Sony, who was anything but gets a free pass for basically doing the samething microsoft did and as soon they found people didnt like this they changed there tune.
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June 28, 2013 6:59:11 PM

Oh shocker, the PS4 and the XBoxOne were gonna do the same thing, I am so surprised (sarcasm BTW). I figured this from the beginning just that MS was upfront while Sony was gonna try to hide it and be sneaky.
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June 28, 2013 7:08:51 PM

in the business that is the console wars, the first impression is the most important. if sony had announced drm plans at e3, they wouldnt have had near the amount of preorders they already have. that first impression won over an immense amount of customers from the competitor and made them the favorite by far of the 3 consoles. this decision was the best business decision they couldve made for e3. microsoft made the big mistake of pissing over their customers to pull back only 2 weeks later. sony just saved themselves all of the xb1 problems.
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June 28, 2013 7:23:38 PM

CheesyHotDogPuff , June 29, 2013 1:37 AM
Is it just me or is it impossible to up or down-vote comments?

is not just you, something is really wrong on Tom's
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June 28, 2013 7:57:48 PM

bustapr said:
microsoft made the big mistake of pissing over their customers to pull back only 2 weeks later. sony just saved themselves all of the xb1 problems.

Another example of how competition benefits consumers. If Nintendo was the only competition then DRM and an always-on connection requirement would be mandatory.
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June 28, 2013 8:11:38 PM

Hey Kevin, Give me ONE source where Sony said that had plans similar to Xbox One.

The article you linked to said nothing of the sort, it said that Sony saw how people were reacting and capitalized on that with their marketing decisions, as in to make a point of the fact that they don't have this DRM on PS4.

NOTHING to do with changing the system itself.

Your title is completely misleading, maybe you should double check your facts.
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June 28, 2013 8:21:43 PM

Double post.
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June 28, 2013 8:26:40 PM

So its sony's fault for backing down.
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June 28, 2013 9:17:13 PM

CheesyHotDogPuff, I would totally upvote your comment, but I can't.
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June 28, 2013 9:22:07 PM

Everyone needs to read the "source" (link provided in article and below) where the author alleges "SCE Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida admitted to Famistu magazine this week that Sony changed its stance on DRM after hearing all the negative feedback stemming from the Xbox One."

Because absolutely NO WHERE in the source does that ever come up. This article is VERY misleading and the author is clearly trying to push a narrative that is simply NOT TRUE.

Source provided by author: http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/26/4465674/sce-japan-head...
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June 28, 2013 9:27:43 PM

Microsoft forgot that Sony had been making consoles long before the original Xbox
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June 28, 2013 10:21:01 PM

Nowhere in the source article does it state anything like what this article's title is trying to point out. Wtf?
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June 28, 2013 10:53:20 PM

This is a lesson Microsoft should learn. I've been with Xbox for years and all of my Xbox 360 games were worthless for Xbox One. That is it. Never ever to buy any shit from Microsoft... Non-MS products in my house...shit period....
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June 28, 2013 11:10:24 PM

drwho1 said:
CheesyHotDogPuff , June 29, 2013 1:37 AM
Is it just me or is it impossible to up or down-vote comments?

is not just you, something is really wrong on Tom's


The forums/comments have been a train wreck ever since they "upgraded" them and they just keep getting worse.
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June 28, 2013 11:15:11 PM

Tim Hensley said:
Everyone needs to read the "source" (link provided in article and below) where the author alleges "SCE Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida admitted to Famistu magazine this week that Sony changed its stance on DRM after hearing all the negative feedback stemming from the Xbox One."

Because absolutely NO WHERE in the source does that ever come up. This article is VERY misleading and the author is clearly trying to push a narrative that is simply NOT TRUE.

Source provided by author: http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/26/4465674/sce-japan-head...


While entirely true, I do have to pose a question to you and at least a few others. Do you people *really* believe that Sony isn't chomping at the bit to get DRM into their games and the *only* reason they aren't doing it at this very moment is because they know it will cost them money to do so? Do you believe Sony are your buddies and they just wouldn't do such a nasty thing as DRM to a bunch of swell guys and gals like you?

Sony's next hardware - or perhaps subscription service - foray into gaming after the PS4 will be DRM'd to the gills. Why? This is coming. Heck, it's already here and in the process of becoming the norm. If you are sitting here patting Sony on the back for being so wonderful to you and treating MS like the enemy, do you not remember just last gen where Sony forced unnecessary Blu-ray drives onto gamers at great expense, telling us that gamers could "just work harder" to afford a luxury like the PS3? This company is not your friend. They are simply holding back on something they would *happily* do at the drop of a hat because they know it is currently not in their best interest.

I don't particularly like any of these companies for how they are, but it just shock to see how naïve some people.
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June 29, 2013 12:00:38 AM

Sorry fanboys, Sony's just a good liar. They were constantly deceptive with the ps3 so I don't know why it's a surprise for you. After their big E3 show they actually stated they were only guaranteeing a lack of DRM on their titles and 3rd parties were still free to do it (which they do now, like EA's online pass). Microsoft needs better PR people, they wanted to sell console gamers a complete change in what they were comfortable with and didn't seem to expect a negative reaction. I don't need a Masters in marketing to know that was idiotic. Understand this, the issue is NOT with the console developers, they have no business concerns over software piracy or copyright protection, easy to pirate consoles actually will be more popular. Why do you think the DS and the early PSPs sold so well? It's the software that's getting pirated, the publishers paying the cost for exceedingly expensive games are the ones who want DRM, DLC, F2P, and all those other buzzwords that make old gamers cringe. It's the publishers putting pressure on consoles to conform to what they want no matter what lies they're trying to sell now about "Oh we didn't want DRM, it was Microsoft's idea!". Sony and MS are both dependent on 3rd party titles, those systems aren't going to sell if they don't carry the next CoD, MGS, and Final Fantasy. Nintendo is the only one who can stay afloat on their own titles and defy AAA devs. Exclusive games sell consoles, not hardware. This is why indie devs are becoming more important now. Sony understood this and has been heavily courting indies, even Nintendo is relaxing their historically tight standards. Microsoft has been giving indies the cold shoulder, and they're going to pay for it in the future.
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June 29, 2013 12:00:46 AM

Sony have just proved they are opportunistic, but I still don't trust them, rootkit on audio CDs? They will secretly add DRM later on and apologise when they get caught like always. Microsoft's only crime was honesty and disclosure and somehow that has been viewed as a bad thing.
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June 29, 2013 12:57:05 AM

Funny how every time Sony makes a move to get some money, its a smart business move, bur when Microsoft wants to make money their name spells like 'M$' and they are greedy bastards.
Glad to be a pc gamer, and not be a part of the console community.
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June 29, 2013 2:31:59 AM

lol all the BS about the new consoles going around for the past month has been quite humorous on how it panned out. Get the PS4 because Xbox One has a DRM. PS4 decides, hmm we probably should not have a DRM.
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June 29, 2013 3:58:54 AM

Eh business as usual...
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June 29, 2013 4:26:48 AM

Both companies have DRM plans, and the infastructure to impliment it is all in place and ready to go. What they have done is made the DRM an optional tool for developers so that individual games may require it and then the bad press is pushed on the dev rather than holy MS or Sony.

All it takes is one update and it all comes back for either company.
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June 29, 2013 6:06:20 AM

Parapraxis said:
Hey Kevin, Give me ONE source where Sony said that had plans similar to Xbox One.

The article you linked to said nothing of the sort, it said that Sony saw how people were reacting and capitalized on that with their marketing decisions, as in to make a point of the fact that they don't have this DRM on PS4.

NOTHING to do with changing the system itself.

Your title is completely misleading, maybe you should double check your facts.


My thoughts exactly. M$'s marketing department uses all means to downplay microsoft's own epic.fail.

PS
Also note that you won't need to "activate" PS4, unlike wth Xbone 180. Which would be logical thing to do, if original firmware was indeed Ubisoft and Co DRM wet dream.
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June 29, 2013 6:11:13 AM

CaedenV said:
Both companies have DRM plans, and the infastructure to impliment it is all in place and ready to go. What they have done is made the DRM an optional tool for developers so that individual games may require it and then the bad press is pushed on the dev rather than holy MS or Sony.

No, NOT AT ALL.
Sony doesn't have DRM infrastructure to support third parties.
Third parties can still add restrictions on used games, BUT only as far as online play goes.

Microsoft did NOT leave developers option to make DRM optional. Whether publisher wanted it or not, re-sell of used game was only possible with M$ nodding (and getting a nice sum) for the deal.

Ugly articles like this are trying to push "oh, Sony too" crap, but it's very far from truth.
You could officially upgrade HDD on PS3, you can't on xbox360.

All "innovations" from M$ come down to more restrictions on users to get more money for M$.

Compare this list of games, that PSN+ users get FOR FREE during one year (64 titles) to what you get on XBLive:


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June 29, 2013 6:11:25 AM

Awesome! No Kinect and a lower price is a huge upside. The PS4 is exactly what I want.
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June 29, 2013 6:53:40 AM

"@jkflipflop98 Corporations exist to produce a product or service. Making money is the side-effect of performing your main function. The instant you switch priorities and put "making money" at the top of the list, the entire place is going to go down in flaming wreckage."

The reason corporations go down in flames is because they.... listen closely... WEREN'T MAKING MONEY.

How is this hard to understand? You think if they weren't making money but satisfying consumer needs they wouldn't go down in a big ball of flames? Were is this logic.
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June 29, 2013 7:24:52 AM

I think it would be very nice if Sony made their own VM of Linux (or FreeBSD with Linux binary compatibility) for the PS4, so that kids could use it as a "game". Not only are there lots of great games for Linux (my kids LOVE Tuxpaint, Supertux, and Frogatto), but it's also a great learning/teaching environment for kids and their parents. Kids could "play the Linux game" and make a web page or some annimation or practice their chemistry equations (there are programs for that!), etc.

Having an alternate OS is something to be embraced, rather than to be feared, as it's an open platform that will greatly expand the uefulness of the PS4 and thus bring a wider audience to the product.

Realistically, if the PS4 offerred a full Linux OS, even in a VM, 99% of people out there wouldn't even need a desktop computer any more.
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June 29, 2013 7:49:02 AM

Sony wanting to go drm route is indeed true. Sony even wanted to patent the idea. And they wanted to insert some sort of RF tags that would be like an always on connection. All of this info was back in january.

Proof:
M.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2013/01/03/sony-patent-drm-using-rf-tags-to-bypass-online-connectivity-no-ps4-trade-ins




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June 29, 2013 7:59:56 AM

Whats funny is I keep reading xbox fans jumping ship to ps4 cause
"Sony cares about their gamers"

No company really cares. Its about the money.
Its just business, never personal.
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June 29, 2013 8:17:32 AM

mlopinto2k1 said:
"@jkflipflop98 Corporations exist to produce a product or service. Making money is the side-effect of performing your main function. The instant you switch priorities and put "making money" at the top of the list, the entire place is going to go down in flaming wreckage."

The reason corporations go down in flames is because they.... listen closely... WEREN'T MAKING MONEY.

How is this hard to understand? You think if they weren't making money but satisfying consumer needs they wouldn't go down in a big ball of flames? Were is this logic.


Short sighted people like you are somehow getting into upper management positions, causing this trend we've seen lately. Why aren't you making money? Because you're concentrating on the money, not on the thing that actually gets you the money. Microsoft has gone into "MAXIMUM PROFITS!!!!1!" mode. That's why Windows 8 tried to shoehorn everyone into Microsofts little walled garden "app store" - because they wanted to make money. It failed on it's face and everyone hates Win8. The Xbone was an attempt at controlling the entire ecosystem to make more money. It failed on it's face and now the Xbone is gonna end up sucking hind teat.

Making money isn't evil, but it should never be your #1 priority (unless you're an investment firm).

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June 29, 2013 8:29:44 AM

"Short sighted people like you are somehow getting into upper management positions, causing this trend we've seen lately. Why aren't you making money? Because you're concentrating on the money, not on the thing that actually gets you the money. Microsoft has gone into "MAXIMUM PROFITS!!!!1!" mode. That's why Windows 8 tried to shoehorn everyone into Microsofts little walled garden "app store" - because they wanted to make money. It failed on it's face and everyone hates Win8. The Xbone was an attempt at controlling the entire ecosystem to make more money. It failed on it's face and now the Xbone is gonna end up sucking hind teat.

Making money isn't evil, but it should never be your #1 priority (unless you're an investment firm)."

My whole argument was to hopefully make you take a step back reevaluate your stance on corporate development. Companies make a product, they make money, they make more products and they make more money. So, if a company produces a new product line up that makes "YOU" as a consumer think they are just trying to make money, that isn't necessarily their problem. They just aren't making something you personally are interested in and we ALL know you cannot please everyone. This website by itself is a testament to that. Of course they should be focusing on producing a product everyone enjoys and THEN the money comes but, you make it sound like they don't give a crap about their product?! What, because of DRM?! DRM is specifically targeted at protecting their product, which ultimately comes down to PROFITS!!!
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June 29, 2013 9:15:40 AM

I wish MS did not change their DRM policy because most of the negative feedback came from fanboys. MS was going and still may be the first to introduce a fully digital market place where we could have shared, sell, lend our digital games. Disc based games are expensive and will eventually be phased out. As far as being 24/7 connected I do not care, my cellphone and router are connect at all times, I mean this is 2013! To me next gen is more than just a spec update, the services must be taken to the next level as well.
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June 29, 2013 9:17:10 AM

I really don't see what's wrong with the article, at the end of the day both MSoft and Sony are corporations that has to profit to keep existing, it all depends on how they make money in the process. MSoft was going to force consumers to go along with their corporate strategy, and people didn't like it. Even if Sony had similar plans, they had the good sense to see that this is a consumer driver economy, and went in favor of the consumer. There's nothing wrong changing things for the better:) 
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June 29, 2013 9:17:53 AM

tinmann said:
Microsoft forgot that Sony had been making consoles long before the original Xbox


Well they remembered that the Xbox 360 kicked ass hence the more friendly PS4?
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June 29, 2013 9:19:15 AM

kartu said:
CaedenV said:
Both companies have DRM plans, and the infastructure to impliment it is all in place and ready to go. What they have done is made the DRM an optional tool for developers so that individual games may require it and then the bad press is pushed on the dev rather than holy MS or Sony.

No, NOT AT ALL.
Sony doesn't have DRM infrastructure to support third parties.
Third parties can still add restrictions on used games, BUT only as far as online play goes.

Microsoft did NOT leave developers option to make DRM optional. Whether publisher wanted it or not, re-sell of used game was only possible with M$ nodding (and getting a nice sum) for the deal.

Ugly articles like this are trying to push "oh, Sony too" crap, but it's very far from truth.
You could officially upgrade HDD on PS3, you can't on xbox360.

All "innovations" from M$ come down to more restrictions on users to get more money for M$.

Compare this list of games, that PSN+ users get FOR FREE during one year (64 titles) to what you get on XBLive:




XBLA and other services utterly destroy was Sony can offer, right now indie games is the only advantage Sony has for their next gen.
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June 29, 2013 9:51:43 AM

What?!
So when he stated not so long after E3 that the whole sony's DRM policy was setted from the beginning is bullshit?
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June 29, 2013 10:25:08 AM

sean1357 said:
This is a lesson Microsoft should learn. I've been with Xbox for years and all of my Xbox 360 games were worthless for Xbox One. That is it. Never ever to buy any shit from Microsoft... Non-MS products in my house...shit period....


Are you trying to say PS3 games work on PS4? Because they don't, lol.
Meanwhile I'm able to play games from 90's on Windows 8 PC. And guess what, it's a MS product!!!1
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June 29, 2013 10:37:50 AM

sean1357 said:
This is a lesson Microsoft should learn. I've been with Xbox for years and all of my Xbox 360 games were worthless for Xbox One. That is it. Never ever to buy any shit from Microsoft... Non-MS products in my house...shit period....


Urmmm... You do realize that Sony ditched backwards compatibility before MS did, right? As in, the PS3 hasn't been at all backwards compatible since the start of the last generation, while the 360 still runs many original XBOX titles? Call it a hunch though, I'm guessing you didn't boycott Sony when it made the PS3 not play any PS2 games, and won't be boycotting them now that they are doing the same with PS3 games...
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June 29, 2013 5:01:23 PM

For some time I've felt that Sony had intended the same thing as MS and had simply kept quiet, waiting and watching. Then at the last second threw MS under the bus. What I love is how many people lapped it up like a dog at his water bowl.
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June 29, 2013 6:16:37 PM

Don't get cocky. Historically, companies rarely "back down", but rather put their plans on the back burner.
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June 29, 2013 6:59:51 PM

I still think Sony is a much better company for following consumer demand. Why does everyone think Sony has to have a personal love affair with every gamer or "it doesn't count"? They're a business you morons. They react to consumer demand to sell the maximum amount of product, or, they should aspire to, at least, as should any company. So they're still a far better company than MS, the company that brought us Windows 8, packing more protested features than, dare I say it, Windows ME. Seriously, people, get some perspective.

This is how business works. We get angry when they don't react to their demands, and now we're going to get angry when they DO react? What the hell is wrong ith you people?
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June 29, 2013 11:45:12 PM

Well played Sony, well played.
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June 30, 2013 10:47:58 AM

Okay quick fanboy comment: way to school that pig Microsoft, Sony and the public!

MS got their azzes handed to them in massive revolt. They recoiled and are licking their wounds with backtracking. I can't tell you as a PS3 gamer how much this makes me happy (who also has a PS4 on Amazon pre-order). As an also-PC gamer, I am loving the beatdown the public is doing on the disaster known as Windows 8.
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June 30, 2013 12:06:35 PM

10tacle said:
Okay quick fanboy comment: way to school that pig Microsoft, Sony and the public!

MS got their azzes handed to them in massive revolt. They recoiled and are licking their wounds with backtracking. I can't tell you as a PS3 gamer how much this makes me happy (who also has a PS4 on Amazon pre-order). As an also-PC gamer, I am loving the beatdown the public is doing on the disaster known as Windows 8.


Curious... How did you handle Sony's absolutely epic tumble from distant first with the PS2 to abysmal third with the PS3? After the public revolt against Sony's overpriced, no-games for the first three years, forcing unnecessary Blu-ray at the user's expense, proprietary hardware driving up dev costs abortion of a Playstation. Though, it seems you still bought it so I'm guessing you don't actually care about public revolt in itself, just public revolt against MS...

At least you're up front about being a fanboy. MS has done less to sabotage themselves this gen than Sony did last gen, and many of you are still PS3 fanboys. What makes you think that MS is really going down in flames, seeing as many of you supported a system that was every bit as much a screwup just last gen?

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