i5 3570k vs i5 4670k

[Dylan1999]

I am saving for a gaming computer and want to know which cpu has better performance. The i5 3570k or the new i5 4670k?

Thanks

 

[theProbe]

4670k Of course for a new build. If not for CPU then for socket.

 

[Dylan1999]

Thanks

 

[montosaurous]

3570k overclocks better but 4670k has slightly better per clock performance.

 

[Tradesman1]

At stock the 4670K, the 3750K on ave OC's better if averaging say 4.4 vs 4.7 so the the 3570K overall is the better buy, the poor OCing is what's keeping Haswells sales down, Intel expected much higher

 

[montosaurous]

That along with the fact that it's hardly an improvement over IB and IB is cheaper. And it is not even close to being upgrade worthy for anyone with a SB or IB CPU.

 

[Tradesman1]

That along with the fact that it's hardly an improvement over IB and IB is cheaper. And it is not even close to being upgrade worthy for anyone with a SB or IB CPU.

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[Intel God]

That along with the fact that it's hardly an improvement over IB and IB is cheaper. And it is not even close to being upgrade worthy for anyone with a SB or IB CPU.

I love when people say there's hardly a difference. :lol:

Haswell @ 4.6 vs ivy at 5ghz

For a brand new build you're a fool to go ivy

 

[montosaurous]

Please use something more accurate than Cinebench to prove your point.

 

[Intel God]

Please use something more accurate than Cinebench to prove your point.

x264 work for you? :lol: 11.6% improvement over the 3770K. Now Haswell isnt mind blowing but it does have its advantages over ivy. Its not the 30% upgrade we all used to be spoiled with coming from Intel but it could always be worse.

10% in Skyrim

 

[Dylan1999]

Thanks

 

[montosaurous]

The difference is not worth the extra $20-$30 in my opinion. LGA 1150 motherboards are also a little more expensive than LGA 1155 boards as well. It's undeniably an improvement, but really disappointing for a tock. I was planning on getting a Haswell chip expecting it would blow away Ivy Bridge and Piledriver, but of course it failed to do so.

 

[Intel God]

The difference is not worth the extra $20-$30 in my opinion. LGA 1150 motherboards are also a little more expensive than LGA 1155 boards as well. It's undeniably an improvement, but really disappointing for a tock. I was planning on getting a Haswell chip expecting it would blow away Ivy Bridge and Piledriver, but of course it failed to do so.

1155 is a dead socket and 20 dollars is really too much for you? Why would you buy into something that wont have anymore chips coming out for it? Lets not forget about Broadwell or the "Haswell Refresh". A lot of people are going to be peeved if Intel gives is a 14nm quad core next year and they took someones advice to go 1155

 

[montosaurous]

Broadwell is still on the fence as to whether or not it will be BGA only. Haswell refresh will probably be lackluster as well. Intel is getting lazy like AMD did with the Athlons, and that might just give AMD a chance to catch up.

 

[Intel God]

Broadwell is still on the fence as to whether or not it will be BGA only. Haswell refresh will probably be lackluster as well. Intel is getting lazy like AMD did with the Athlons, and that might just give AMD a chance to catch up.

I think intel's waiting to see what steamroller brings before making up its mind with Broadwell. If steamroller closes the gap significantly on the 4770K i fully expect a 3.8Ghz 14nm 5770K in response.

 

[Tradesman1]

.........and they've already slipped Broadwell for the desktop to 2015, not next year, that made me do a lot of rethinking, by the time it get's here, will prob want new mobo also as DDR4 will already be out

 

[Intel God]

.........and they've already slipped Broadwell for the desktop to 2015, not next year, that made me do a lot of rethinking, by the time it get's here, will prob want new mobo also as DDR4 will already be out

According to this roadmap pic Haswell Refresh in Q3 of 2014 and Skylake's sweet sweet 14nm in Q2 2015

 

[Tradesman1]

Isn't that the laptops, Sharkbay is, and again that's Haswell, not Broadwell, Ivy Bridge Extreme is due out later this year and it maaaay slip, but we'll see

 

[montosaurous]

Intel is probably pushing back Broadwell due to technological concerns, not because of AMD. Intel is slipping up for the first time in a long time, wow lol.

 

[montosaurous]

They may just have Broadwell for mobile (BGA only) and give us Skylake as the first 14nm chip on the desktop. Skylake will be LGA-whatever, leaving LGA 1150 owners with just Haswell and it's refresh.

 

[Tradesman1]

May well be, they want to refine it better so it will release much better than Haswell did, and it's not like they have any competition, AMD has Steamroller quasi scheduled, but it looks to be just a little better than Piledriver, so it might be able to give say a 3570K a run for it's money, but with the use of DRAM growing and AMD still working with old style tech in the MC (memory controller area), they may be hurting even more - Intel's running up to 3000+ with DRAM right now and 32GB sets of 2800 are moving, while the 8350 often labors to run 16GB of 1866, for 32GB some can run 1600 and often 1333 is most common. While this isn't really a thing today, near future it may well be so, most all prebuilts from HP, Compaq (same), Dell, etc are coming out with 6-8GB as entry level

 

[Intel God]

Isn't that the laptops, Sharkbay is, and again that's Haswell, not Broadwell, Ivy Bridge Extreme is due out later this year and it maaaay slip, but we'll see

Says desktop roadmap on the top of the pic

 

[Tradesman1]

That's in part why I mentioned it, Sharkbay isn't desktop - it's laptop/tablet - it's all up in the air anyway, there's so many supposed Intel roadmaps out it's ridiculous - just overly interesting that fewer and fewer are showing Broadwell

 

[montosaurous]

AMD isn't too bad, they still have decent chips. It's not like comparing an i5 2500k to a Core 2 Duo E7200. Intel can get it done a little bit faster and a little bit better, but if you want to pay more for that extra performance that's up to you. Also, doesn't Piledriver have higher native RAM speeds than Haswell? Really, there are only about two things that faster RAM is good for anyways: Integrated graphics and applications with heavy memory usage.

 

[Tradesman1]

BullDozer and Pile Driver actually have slower native DRAM capabilities, 1333 per their own BIOS and Kernel Guide, what they did with the FX CPUs is take the multiplier and set it higher than the design called for so it could run faster DRAM at what was released as the actual clock speed, if they had stuck to their own design specs believe the 8350 was set to be a 3.5 or so, they kicked it up to 4 GHz, which is why the rough OCability is at about 1GHz, compared to the Intel 3570K which came out as designed at 3.4 but has roughly 1.6 GHz of OC headroom to get to 5....The haswells are native at 1600.....IB is 1333...but IB upper end can run 2666-2800 DRAM, the 3570K up to 2400 with a 32GB load, AMD and the 8350 is lucky if it can run 32GB at 1600, once your past 2 sticks it drops to 1600 or lower

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/ddr3memoryfrequencyguide.aspx