$1250 GTX 770/i5 4670k Build Final Questions!

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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1hIlw

So I have my build pretty much finally mapped out, It's taken a while but I am very content with my current build. I went with a red and black theme for the components as well as the case. I just have a few last minute questions before I order everything (Pretty much everything can still be interchanged).

First, is the GPU, I've heard some mixed reviews about Gigabyte, is the windforce cooling good? I heard that it's a bad idea to get custom cooling cards for SLI because they blow air all over each other and to just get the stock card (I will definitely be SLIing these in the near future).

Second, has to do with the cooling. I was originally going to go with an H80i/H100i but I heard some reports of them leaking on the components. I'm not planning on overclocking the CPU very much so I figured the Hyper 212 EVO would be a good alternative. Should I save my pennies and go for the Hyper 212 EVO or should I step it up and get liquid cooling?

Third, is this a good Power Supply? I know that Corsair is a very good brand but I don't know how to judge whether or not a Power Supply is actually good. Basically, will this run quiet, not clutter up my case, and be able to handle all my components? Also, what is the difference between Semi-Modular and Modular PSU's? I know the basics, that a Modular PSU has detachable cables and that Semi-Modular has all the cables that are required pre attached and then extra slots for more cables (Is this right?), so which should I go for? My current Power Supply is Semi-Modular.

Fourthly, will everything fit in my case?

Fifthly, will this current setup have room for another one of these cards in SLI and will the PSU be able to handle both of them (Strictly with no overclocking)? If not, can you recommend me a larger PSU (Preferably Corsair) that will be able to handle SLI at around the same price point?

Finally, are all of these good components? If you have any suggestions for what I could change for other parts that I did not mention above, let me know and give me some links and why they are better than my current part.

All responses and feedback is greatly appreciated, thank you for your time.
 

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For PSU reviews, check out indivisual reviews at the likes of Techpowerup and Hardwaresecrets. The TX series seems to be good though.

Cooling should be fine with either. You won't need water though. Water cooling has little risk. Air has practically no risk. Go with air.

Yes everything will fit, buy why that case?

Windforce is good. It is the 3x, which is a bit on the loud side. I'd recommend the MSI twin frozr though. But you can't go wrong. It should be fine for SLi as well.

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Thanks for all the feedback! I'm going to bookmark that page so that I can do it when I get my new computer! So about the case, why are you saying "Why buy that case?", what's wrong with the case? Could you give me some better alternatives?

 

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Remember to go to the Tom's forum link too! Poke in and say hi anytime. We got awesome people to help you with everything.

The Case? It is awesome, but remember what kind of case it is. It is for people who want maximum silence for good performance, and high quality. In other words, you can get similar performance, usability, and stuff from a much cheaper case. But this case is the best if you like silence, quality, and design.
 

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This is an awesome build. I'm looking at similar components for my build coming up:)

I've heard bad things about previous Gigabyte GPUs, but in terms of cooling you want a normal fan style cooler and not the reference blower style. Temps will be much lower meaning GPU Boost 2.0 can over clock the card farther than the reference card. As for a preferred brand EVGA, Galaxy, MSI and Asus are good brands. You should consider the MSI GTX 760 because it matches your motherboard and has one of the best cooling solutions:) It's not as powerful, but looks amazing. If you want a 4GB card there are 2. check below...

Haswell CPUs tend to run pretty hot when over clocked, but are more powerful at lower clock speeds so you don't need to push them that far. The Hyper 212 EVO is a great place to start, but if you want to over clock you'll need a water cooler. I've heard that the H100i is one of the best, but there can always be a few defective units out there no matter what brand. And who knows if the user messed something up and it was their fault not the products.

My friend recently had his corsair power supply die and it took out a few components. I prefer seasonic and xfx. xfx is basically a rebranded seasonic, but they are known as the most reliable. Semi modular is where the necessary cables are attached like the 24 pin and 4 pin cpu connectors. fully modular is where all the cables can be detached from the power supply. Semi modular is a little cheaper and is the best option honestly. You need the cables that are hard wired so why pay extra to just plug them in anyways.

That is a great case. The only thing you have to check is the length of the video card you choose. That Gigabyte is a very long card because of the 3 fans.

Overall the components are great. If you need the 4GB of VRAM then the gigabyte looks good, but if you can get away with 2GB the MSI GTX 770 Lightning Edition is a great card. MSI has the best over clocking software and support. EVGA has a 4GB card, but it's a little more money. What resolution monitor are you using and what games will you be playing?

One last thing, you should check out the NZXT Phantom 410 case. The Gun Metal model looks amazing. Just saying:)
Hope I could help.

edit looks like you got a response before I finished typing this.
 

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For a minor overclock the 212 should be fine. The reason that Haswell is hot is due to the FiVR or the Fully Integrated Voltage Regulator. Until Haswell, Builders needed to have a type of CPU cooler that blew air down on the mobo, or a side case fan because the voltage regulator on the mobo would heat up. Now with haswell, you can stick with a tower style CPU cooler with no side effects.
 

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Thanks for the feedback! Also, I'm looking for as much feedback as possible, if someone has already answered you should still answer, it's always good to have feedback from multiple people! I'm going to be running two monitors and have all games on Ultra, I decided to go with the 4GB version because games are almost hitting the two GB mark now a days so I'd rather pay the extra $50 to get a bit of future proofing. Could you recommend me some better 750w+ PSU's that are a better alternative? Thanks!
 

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The corsair HX series should meet your needs, and is pretty much one of the best.

The Seasonic X series is the undisputed best.

The Corsair AX series is God.
 

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I don't know what country you're is but here is another option for a graphics card:
http://

For a power supply:
XFX Full Modular: http://
XFX Semi Modular: http://
XFX non modular: http://
 
Hyper 212 EVO should allow for mild OC though if you want to try to hit a 4.8-5ghz you would want to go water-cooling.

Your ram is a bit expensive and it has high heat-spreaders. Considering that you want to keep the black and red color scheme, look at these:
G.Skill Sniper: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl9d8gbsr
Corsair Vengeance LP: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-memory-cml8gx3m2a1600c9
The main point of changing the ram is for the low heat-spreaders to guarantee that the ram will not block the cpu cooler.

I know you want to keep the red color on the motherboard, but you might want to think about changing it. Newegg has an awesome cpu+motherboard combo. The i5-4670k + ASRock Z87 Extreme6 is $80 off and the board is higher quality, whereas the MSI G45 is only $30 and not as high quality. Or you can go with the Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD4H which has some red in it and is still higher quality: http://promotions.newegg.com/combo/13-2990/index.html

Are you going to be gaming on both monitors? Gaming on a dual-monitor set-up is kind of bad because the middle is split between the two monitors so it will be very inconvenient. You typically want to game on a triple or single monitor set-up and people who only have two monitors only games on one and uses the other for internet, videos, music and such.

For the psu, this is a great one: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1750bbefx
Seasonic manufactured so it's very high quality and it is cheaper.

You may want to try to fit a 120gb ssd into your build if you enjoy fast boot times and the snappier feel with everything loading so fast.

Finally, the 4gb of vram is un-necessary unless you go in high-resolutions. Like I stated above, a dual monitor gaming set-up isn't very ideal so you should avoid it and stick with a single monitor for gaming until you get a third one. That being said, 2gb of vram should be enough for game on a single monitor. Also, since you plan to SLI you definitely won't need the 4gb of vram.



 

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Thanks for the feedback, I have a few questions about your answer though. The two ram sets you linked are only 2.00 cheaper than the one that I currently have selected, what makes them better?

I'm not that worried about the color scheme, I'd prefer performance over looks. Could you list some things that make the ASRock board better because I've heard some great things about the G45. Also, which is better, the ASRock or the Gigabyte board? What are the pros and cons of each?

I'm not gaming on dual monitor, I'm gaming on one monitor and internet on the other.

Why do you say that if I'm SLIing that 4GB of VRAM would not be needed?

Finally, what makes the Seasonic PSU better than the Corsair PSU?

Thanks.


 

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You're links are broken, if you could repost with working links it would be greatly appreciated. Also, I'm in the USA. Thanks.

 

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It also says that you're a monitor expert on your profile. I've been browsing for a good gaming monitor to pair with this build. I'm looking for a starter monitor at first, something under $150 that will suffice just for a few months period, then I'm looking to upgrade to a ASUS VG248QE when I get SLI so that I can take advantage of the 144Hz mode. I'm looking for something that is 23+ Inches, preferably IPS but other panels are fine if it is cheaper/gives better gaming performance. If possible, try and suggest some different monitors with different panel types (TN, IPS, etc) and which one you think is the best! Thanks.

 

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I found that good monitors are usually made by Asus or Dell.

2GB may not be necessary, as if you plan on SLi, then your total vRam will be 2x2 or 4GB.

The RAM sticks he has proposed are Low Profile sticks. In other words they are thin. A good example of a very low profile set is the Crucial Ballistix Sport VLP. google it. Anyway, some RAM sticks cannot be used as they will interfere with the Hyper 212. There is no problem with thinner sticks though.

Seriously, stop thinking and go with the motherboard you like. The only differences are small overclocking stuff, and color. Also, for the overclocking stuff, you get what you pay for. The cheaper boards will be less capable.
 

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VRAM doesn't work that way. That's the common misconception that if you get 2x2GB cards, it gives you 4GB. It doesn't work that way, VRAM doesn't scale up, if you have 2x6GB cards like a Titan, it is still 6GB not 12, same thing goes for the 770.
 

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XFX Semi Modular: XFX PSU

EVGA Card: EVGA Better Card

or a cheaper alternative with blower type cooling: EVGA Cheaper Card
 

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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1hS0F

I made some changes based on what you recommended. What do you think of this? I'd appreciate as much feedback as possible! Thanks.
 
As stated above, the main difference is that the ram is low-profile.

The MSI G45 is pretty much equivalent to an Extreme4. Now, the difference isn't too big but the main difference is just to get the $80 discount.

4gb of vram is just overkill if you're only gaming on a 1080p monitor. Now if you were gaming on three monitors, it would be a different story.

Seasonic psus are extremely high quality. Corsair psus are too. Both are good.

The new build looks great. I would grab the 2gb version of the gpu but everything else looks great.
 

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So lastly, do you think 750w is enough for SLI or should I get the 850w? Also, could you recommend me some cheap gaming monitors? Thanks.

 

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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1hZYf
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1hZYf/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1hZYf/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme6 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($69.30 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($93.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($403.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($86.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1189.18
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-18 12:44 EDT-0400)
 
A quality 750w psu should be enough.
For monitors, how cheap are you aiming for?
Cheapest: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/acer-monitor-etws0hpa01
A bit more expensive: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-vs238hp
More expensive: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-vx238h
The best 1080p monitor, IMHO: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-vg248qe

The first one is a standard, cheapo 1080p monitor.
The second one is better with a 2ms response time.
The third one is a bit better with a 1ms response time.
The fourth one is great because it's well-built and it is 144hz.
 

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The best thing to do is to add up the max TDP of all your parts.

A good alternative is to search for the "power supply calculator" and use the first result. It should be by xtreme something.
 
PCPartPicker has a built in power-supply calculator as well. It's a pretty good one at it, too. Although it can not account for overclocking, it should give you a nice idea on how much your system will draw.