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Valve Programmer Responds to Steam Greenlight Criticisms

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July 25, 2013 6:41:17 AM

Steam is just a horrible piece of software all over, valve has seldom done any better than that anyway. Obviously (and unfortunately) its the backbone of our scene, but as a piece of software its just horribly, horribly inefficient.
July 25, 2013 7:09:03 AM

I liked the old steam, before they released for mac and completely changed the interface. The old one wasn't great, but it was leaps and bounds better than the current one. They need to spend more time getting the basics working and spend less time on that full screen thing.
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July 25, 2013 7:17:05 AM

It doesn't matter how crap Steam is, it will always win simply because it was first and, for convenience purposes, people simply do not want to fragment their game collection and have to remember which game gets accessed from which delivery program. It's called vendor lock-in. Valve is a new Microsoft.
July 25, 2013 7:31:45 AM

Am I the only one that really loves Steam?..... Apparently so.
July 25, 2013 7:56:49 AM

I don't have a problem with the quality of Steam. It's just that it should not belong to Valve; it should belong to a consortium and should include not just games but everything.
July 25, 2013 8:17:35 AM

You can like Steam all you want...just remember if it goes down or they "caught" you cheating then so will all of your shit that you bought and "own".

For me...I had decent experience with Steam and have probably 35-40 games but I know once you have an issue with Valve or their no-arbitration policies you get screwed royally and will receive zero help or consideration.
a b 4 Gaming
July 25, 2013 8:21:12 AM

I have steam installed for two reasons:

One is to play Dirt 3: Showdown that I received with my Radeon card for free
The second is so I can play some of the old cdrom games that I can enter the key code for without finding the disk

I did some research and steam "greenlight" seems like an inherently lousy idea.
I also agree with "happyballz" (LOL)
It is a serious problem that you can lose games that you bought because of a dispute. That is a very dodgy business practice IMO
a b 4 Gaming
July 25, 2013 8:31:28 AM

I don't care about a lot of those Indie games (although I did buy FEZ and FTL, but you could almost consider them mainstream), but steam is awesome because of one thing: the Steam summer sale. Every game is half off pretty much. And it's convenient.
Also: That's the reason why people complain when microsoft pushes their DRM, and they say "well, were just copying steam", because there is no way that microsoft will sell games as cheaply.
July 25, 2013 8:34:57 AM

acktionhank said:
Am I the only one that really loves Steam?..... Apparently so.


I don't-not like it, I use it because it's a really great way of organizing my games. Steam DRM gets on my nerves though.
July 25, 2013 8:35:56 AM

IndignantSkeptic said:
I don't have a problem with the quality of Steam. It's just that it should not belong to Valve; it should belong to a consortium and should include not just games but everything.


Even Gabe Newell has come out and said this
July 25, 2013 8:48:53 AM

happyballz said:
You can like Steam all you want...just remember if it goes down or they "caught" you cheating then so will all of your shit that you bought and "own".

For me...I had decent experience with Steam and have probably 35-40 games but I know once you have an issue with Valve or their no-arbitration policies you get screwed royally and will receive zero help or consideration.


steam has an offline mode and you can backup your games.
July 25, 2013 9:20:05 AM

Granted Steam can be a little sluggish to start up compared to some of the best programs out there; but how is it a horrible piece of software? It's well organized and supported...What is your problem?
July 25, 2013 10:06:44 AM

"he was loathe to go into the nature of these problems"

I think you mean loth/loath. Unless you wanted to suggest he loathed the premise of going in to the nature of the problems.
July 25, 2013 10:49:38 AM

Whatever. I live in Brazil and games here are priced like gold at the retailers. If i can purchase games at a discounted price, so i will. It doesn't matter where i have to buy those from. I just don't like EA and their Origin. I don't have an international credit card because of monthly interest the banks here charge (over 10% a MONTH, damnit!). As Steam doesn't mind going full into our crippled and messy economy, i'll stick with it. I have nothing better to resort to...
July 25, 2013 11:11:37 AM

For a company that has been dominating the digital scene, they have not shown any monopolistic tendencies. they continue to innovate and bring new things to the table while still keeping profits on their side up. i own about 160 games for steam, and i've had very few problems in the past 6 years i've been part of them
July 25, 2013 12:00:59 PM

In reply to IndignantSkeptic, there really is no vendor lock (Well there may be a precived one) all steam games and many other services allow for desktop shortcuts. Just make the shortcuts and put them all inside a game folder.
July 25, 2013 12:05:10 PM

Haha, some people hating on Steam.

Would you guys rather be forced to Origin or god forbid Uplay? Nah let's just go back to the good 'ol days with stacks and stacks of plastic sleeves with keys. Those would never get loss or broken. >.>

I liked Steam when it first started up back with Counter-Strike, and I still like it now. We've had some bumpy spots but overall the experience has been good.

What I'm not a huge fan of is this whole trading card deal, but I simply ignore it. Just like some other features.

July 25, 2013 12:08:11 PM

Just looking at that games Greenlight page, there's barely been any exposure and news was posted about it twice. Both posts almost a year after it was first posted to Greenlight.

Greenlight isn't a fire-and-forget process to get it your game on Steam, it never was. You have to get your game out there and get it voted up. His complaints make it sound like whining that Valve isn't doing it for them in their place.

You really can't blame Valve for not getting your game around.

/e Hey look, I can post with the refresh button.
July 25, 2013 12:11:23 PM

John Billium said:
Haha, some people hating on Steam.

Would you guys rather be forced to Origin or god forbid Uplay? Nah let's just go back to the good 'ol days with stacks and stacks of plastic sleeves with keys. Those would never get loss or broken. >.>

I liked Steam when it first started up back with Counter-Strike, and I still like it now. We've had some bumpy spots but overall the experience has been good.

What I'm not a huge fan of is this whole trading card deal, but I simply ignore it. Just like some other features.



Origin and Steam (from lots of personal experiance) almost exactly the same in every way. Both have problems, both have DRM and sluggish start ups.
a b 4 Gaming
July 25, 2013 12:16:35 PM

said:

Origin and Steam (from lots of personal experiance) almost exactly the same in every way. Both have problems, both have DRM and sluggish start ups.


I'm sure you have a lot of experiance... Haha, just joshing you.
a b 4 Gaming
July 25, 2013 12:16:37 PM

Whoops. I edited and it duplicated. Hope it doesn't happen again, or there will be three posts.
July 25, 2013 12:27:25 PM

Mike Friesen said:
said:

Origin and Steam (from lots of personal experiance) almost exactly the same in every way. Both have problems, both have DRM and sluggish start ups.


I'm sure you have a lot of experiance... Haha, just joshing you.


yep, lots of experiance. Did'nt check autocorect for onse.
July 26, 2013 12:31:00 AM

I've used Steam for gaming since it was in Beta. I'm still in love like the first time we met. Oh Steam, what would I do without you?
July 28, 2013 7:14:08 AM

John Bauer said:


Origin and Steam (from lots of personal experiance) almost exactly the same in every way. Both have problems, both have DRM and sluggish start ups.


I can't believe I am actually going to defend Origin, but in comparison to Steam currently, Origin starts faster on first load even though it's on a slower drive(7200RPM vs 10k for my Steam drive). Though if closed then opened a few times Steam does open quicker than first load.

It's honestly not that bad, it lacks lots of features I enjoy from Steam, and is another program I have to maintain to play some of my games. I have it because of games I bought(and received for free) on EA Downloader, and it turns out it's not as bad as I originally thought it would be. They just need better sales.
July 29, 2013 3:26:27 AM

To me it's funny Steam started as service to bring Counter-Strike players together and provide much better and faster server browser. It was bumpy road to say the least but they succeed. Hands down best server and online game browser I've seen. Now they provide you with not only online games... but this one do not require you to be online outside of activation time. This is as small DRM as you can get. Look at blizzard that tells you to use online service to play their single player games.

What is this talk about start up time of steam it launches in less than 10s and you can have it launch with the system turning that time to 0... so where is the problem. Unless you turn on PC only to play games.
July 29, 2013 8:46:48 PM

Sure were talking about mere seconds here, but from clicking the icon to running, Origin takes about 6 secs. Steam takes about 13secs. As I said mere seconds difference. The slowest part for Steam is logging in. Navigating steam is slow as well.

Just to clarify, I'm not bashing steam at all. I'm just surprisingly defending something about Origin.
July 30, 2013 1:10:59 AM

cypeq said:
To me it's funny Steam started as service to bring Counter-Strike players together and provide much better and faster server browser. It was bumpy road to say the least but they succeed. Hands down best server and online game browser I've seen. Now they provide you with not only online games... but this one do not require you to be online outside of activation time. This is as small DRM as you can get. Look at blizzard that tells you to use online service to play their single player games.

What is this talk about start up time of steam it launches in less than 10s and you can have it launch with the system turning that time to 0... so where is the problem. Unless you turn on PC only to play games.


Starting your computer with auto login to steam only makes it start even slower, which is why I turned off the auto log in. I'm not really sure where your getting your information.
July 30, 2013 2:42:40 AM

psychodegu said:
cypeq said:
To me it's funny Steam started as service to bring Counter-Strike players together and provide much better and faster server browser. It was bumpy road to say the least but they succeed. Hands down best server and online game browser I've seen. Now they provide you with not only online games... but this one do not require you to be online outside of activation time. This is as small DRM as you can get. Look at blizzard that tells you to use online service to play their single player games.

What is this talk about start up time of steam it launches in less than 10s and you can have it launch with the system turning that time to 0... so where is the problem. Unless you turn on PC only to play games.


Starting your computer with auto login to steam only makes it start even slower, which is why I turned off the auto log in. I'm not really sure where your getting your information.

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What I mean is that it's ready when you want to use it. I guess there maybe some delay issue with huge game libraries is that the case ? i have like 30 games only... and i've never seen any delays when launching steam.
July 30, 2013 5:48:29 AM

psychodegu said:
cypeq said:
To me it's funny Steam started as service to bring Counter-Strike players together and provide much better and faster server browser. It was bumpy road to say the least but they succeed. Hands down best server and online game browser I've seen. Now they provide you with not only online games... but this one do not require you to be online outside of activation time. This is as small DRM as you can get. Look at blizzard that tells you to use online service to play their single player games.

What is this talk about start up time of steam it launches in less than 10s and you can have it launch with the system turning that time to 0... so where is the problem. Unless you turn on PC only to play games.


Starting your computer with auto login to steam only makes it start even slower, which is why I turned off the auto log in. I'm not really sure where your getting your information.


My Steam starts up offline.. quicker that way to..
July 30, 2013 5:50:29 AM

cypeq said:
psychodegu said:
cypeq said:
To me it's funny Steam started as service to bring Counter-Strike players together and provide much better and faster server browser. It was bumpy road to say the least but they succeed. Hands down best server and online game browser I've seen. Now they provide you with not only online games... but this one do not require you to be online outside of activation time. This is as small DRM as you can get. Look at blizzard that tells you to use online service to play their single player games.

What is this talk about start up time of steam it launches in less than 10s and you can have it launch with the system turning that time to 0... so where is the problem. Unless you turn on PC only to play games.


Starting your computer with auto login to steam only makes it start even slower, which is why I turned off the auto log in. I'm not really sure where your getting your information.

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What I mean is that it's ready when you want to use it. I guess there maybe some delay issue with huge game libraries is that the case ? i have like 30 games only... and i've never seen any delays when launching steam.


I think it has to do with with your internet. My internet is about 700kb/s (download speeds) on a good day, it takes about 15 seconds for Steam to log in, online of course.
July 31, 2013 8:39:52 AM

I think it's the login servers, my speeds are 50 Down/5 Up. I don't know if the library plays a part or not. I've got 142 according to my profile, though not all are installed.
October 24, 2013 1:35:10 AM

"steam has an offline mode and you can backup your games."

This is so wrong, offline mode requires you to be online. To be exact, you need to login to be able to play in offline mode, so its useless.
You can't play your games if you don't have an internet connection.

The backup you can do with steam doesn't remove the DRM, you still need steam and an internet connection to play your backup games. It just prevents you from having to download the entire game again.

If for any reason Valve decides you're not worthy of steam, they'll take everything you've got and even if you spent 1000$ on games, they will all be unplayable since you can no longer connect to steam.

The best way to see it is "renting". You're actually renting games from Steam and they're nice enough to rent it to you for as long as they wish.
You're not owning the game, its not yours.
It'd be yours if you had the box and the cd in your hands and doesn't require you to be online or subscribed to steam to play it.

Steam is a double-edge blade, sure you get games for much cheaper but they're not actually yours.
When something is too good to be true, it surely is a trap.
October 24, 2013 10:50:24 AM

JMC17 said:
"steam has an offline mode and you can backup your games."

This is so wrong, offline mode requires you to be online. To be exact, you need to login to be able to play in offline mode, so its useless.
You can't play your games if you don't have an internet connection.

The backup you can do with steam doesn't remove the DRM, you still need steam and an internet connection to play your backup games. It just prevents you from having to download the entire game again.

If for any reason Valve decides you're not worthy of steam, they'll take everything you've got and even if you spent 1000$ on games, they will all be unplayable since you can no longer connect to steam.

The best way to see it is "renting". You're actually renting games from Steam and they're nice enough to rent it to you for as long as they wish.
You're not owning the game, its not yours.
It'd be yours if you had the box and the cd in your hands and doesn't require you to be online or subscribed to steam to play it.

Steam is a double-edge blade, sure you get games for much cheaper but they're not actually yours.
When something is too good to be true, it surely is a trap.


First part of this is completely wrong. I can remove my wireless dongle, and steam will tell me "Steam cannot connect to the Internet" and you can select an option that says "Play in offline mode"

I can play any of my non-multiplayer games offline.
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