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Nvidia Shield Review: Tegra 4-Powered Handheld Gaming

We've been playing with Nvidia's Shield handheld for more than a month, but only recently got access to its killer feature: streaming PC game content. Does Nvidia's foray into the hardware world deserve your $300, or is this expensive toy impractical?

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  1. looks ok but not worth the price
  2. impressive, especially PC streaming. but for $300, i'd rather pause the game to take a bathroom break. it's gonna take me a library of good android exclusives for me spend that amount of money, and PvsZ or Angry birds don't cut it.
  3. Meh, with the PS4/xbox coming out , and tons of more convenient phones I don't see a market for a tegra4 shield, personally I'm saving my money for a console. The tegra is also too expensive and gimmicky to boot.
  4. When you look purely at the performance and specs $300 unsubsidized isn't all that bad considering the hardware you're getting for the price. The problem to me isn't so much price but the target market. How many people are willing to spend that much on a second or potentially third mobile device meant specifically for gaming and entertainment?
  5. Looks nice but I can find things better to spend $300 on. In truth I can't see ever streaming my PC games to a 5" screen when I use 3 Asus 27" monitors on my desktop PC. Going from 5760x1080 to 720p does not sound like something I am ready to do. And if I want to game from my recliner I just use my Xbox 360 wireless controller and play the game on my Panasonic 50" 3D Plasma.
  6. for U$180, I can get a nice Lenovo Phone. For U$ 500, a good Xbox.. not sure if I need a Shield where I could play anywhere..
  7. Not sure why most of your benchmarks were just between the shield and the Nexus 7. I understand that the Nexus 7 utilizes Tegra 3 but the iPhone 5, Note 2, or some other tertiary figues should have been included to provide a better comparison between this device and other current generation products.

    This device feels like a universal Wii U game pad and there is almost zero reason to own one.
  8. Considering that Oculus rift will cost somewhere around 300 dollars as well, id rather wait for that to spend my cash.
    Streaming is nice but if you are close toy our pc why not use the PC itself?
  9. could be used to run a psp emulator, but phone can do that too.
  10. I'm just not seeing much reason to get one right now, not when I'm saving for the Xbox One and PS4. If it was at a lower price and if it supported AMD GPU's for PC streaming, I might get one. But they also need to get some developers to make some good Android exclusives, not just your typical mobile time wasters and ports of older console/PC titles, but some actuallAAA exclusives that are optimized for Tegra 4.
  11. for U$180, I can get a nice Lenovo Phone. For U$ 500, a good Xbox.. not sure if I need a Shield where I could play anywhere..
  12. When nobody wants to buy your SOC, I guess you have to make up a new product. Not very useful past the initial gimmick.
  13. "shield Competes to your Disposable income" Really??
  14. What a pointless product. This will be a flop.
  15. Shield really doesnt make me want to use it instead PC.
  16. Maybe in 3-5 years when mobile graphics really starts to come into their own. $300 for something I'd play while taking a dump isn't good value, I have a phone that can do much more afaik. If I want dedicated gaming I'd play on my PC or even buy a next-gen console for that money in a year's time.

    Side notes, isn't the Tegra 5 about the same power as a current console? That's next year too so assume in 4 years after that it should be 5x the power at least (Tegra 6 is supposedly 2x as powerful so 2.5x the power of Tegra 6 in ~3 years). That'd start to approach next gen consoles power in a handheld device. I'd probably pay $300 for that in 5 years assuming nothing else is better value.

    It's not like this is progression is unimpressive however, 5 years ago we had pitiful mobile processing power compared to today. I'm not expecting similar growth because that'd be crazy - http://cdn2.ubergizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/tegra-5-kepler-graphics-curve-640x315.jpg - but still. 20x the growth from today will be possible considering Nvidia's Tegra roadmap shows Tegra 6 being ~10x performance of T4.
  17. Great thorough review about a niche product.
  18. cangelini said:
    We've been playing with Nvidia's Shield handheld for more than a month, but only recently got access to its killer feature: streaming PC game content. Does Nvidia's foray into the hardware world deserve your $300, or is this expensive toy impractical?

    Nvidia Shield Review: Tegra 4-Powered Handheld Gaming : Read more


    Can you guys test some movies with HDMI or miracast to TV? This was one of the features I would like to know about before pondering buying. A large part of the point of this thing for me is a portable 1080p player (or even 720p, as most of those look great on 60in or lower anyway). Also with that hdmi hooked up (or miracast) can you play your games out to TV too? I had thought I'd be able to play android games on the big screen (PC too).

    can you guys comment on this stuff? Anything out to TV is stuff your Vita/3DS can't do. I'd think this is a pretty important detail for most but unless I missed it in the review it wasn't even mentioned or tested. I was hoping for some PC to TV comments. Can this output your PC streamed games to TV or does lag etc prevent this? Or are you stuck on the 5in for both android and pc streams?
  19. For anyone caring PC mag got substantial numbers from a trio of tablets:
    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2415809,00.asp
    Antutu=36489
    geekbench=4148
    GLBench offscreen is 57fps
    So I'd say it should do well in a tablet vs. S800. It destroys S600. Not bad. Those were devices from Feb, so I'm thinking a shipping tab would have to be optimized a little more than a pre-release product but I could be wrong. Hope someone tests the toshiba write soon, not to mention HP's and ASUS's T4 tablets.

    Antutu on the Shield is impressive (though 720p, glad they didn't try 1080p on this thing, 720p gives it plenty of power for what it's designed to do) but the 1920x1200 1.9ghz ref tablet isn't far behind and S800 scores I've seen from devices show about 35k on tablets. That being said I expect S800 to match or beat T4's gpu (though we still need to see actual games benched, not synthetics to truly prove this), but I think most cpu test should favor A15. The numbers out so far seem to show this.

    I don't see T4's lack of OpenGL ES3.0 as any big deal. There are no benchmarks to test it, thus no software that uses it either. In other words, NV was right to dump it to save power/soc space etc and dedicate that to what we will probably use during the devices life. I'll change my opinion maybe after a few games show up with ES3.0 in them. Until then, no point in having it yet.
  20. Frankly I can play any game on my very portable $750 laptop with a 750m in more than 720p, and I already need that for school (Like most people).

    And if I want handheld gaming, I'll play Uncharted/Killzone on my vita over Angry Birds any day lol!
  21. 'There's a microSD card slot on the back, but don't expect to offload apps onto the additional storage: Google nuked that "app2sd" ability a few updates back.'

    Why does Google hate microSD expansion, has anyone figured out why Google removed it, they really should bring it back to Android, and stop the hate for microSD!
  22. Cy-Kill said:
    'There's a microSD card slot on the back, but don't expect to offload apps onto the additional storage: Google nuked that "app2sd" ability a few updates back.'

    Why does Google hate microSD expansion, has anyone figured out why Google removed it, they really should bring it back to Android, and stop the hate for microSD!


    I'd imagine it had something to do with most micro SD cards only being class 4 at the time. The slow speed and poor user experience probably forced them to can the feature. There are Class 10 micro SD cards nowadays but the average consumer just picks a random micro SD card and less likely to care about speed. The people working at Best Buy, Frys and mobile providers don't know any better either. So its easier to kill that feature than to have people complain about slowness when apps are installed on SD.
  23. Thinking outside of the box. I just bought a Nexus 7 Gen 2, and using a bluetooth gaming pad and a wireless TV connection I could run the same games natively at 1080p without having the computer portion even in my hands. Add to that the 32GB Gen 2 is only $270 and doubles as a fully functional "PC" when using a bluetooth keyboard and/or mouse. I don't really see $300 worth of value in this device when phones and tablets can overlap the same role with a few extra pieces of kit.
  24. The Shield certainly is a good combination of the mobile gaming platform and PC Game streaming platform. Certainly 90% of the gamers dream to be able to sit on their couch or lie on their bed and play games. But only 1-5% would shell out 300bucks for it. Nvidia has forgotten we are in an age where gaming isn't what makes the majority buy an iPhone 5 or Galaxy S4 , etc. Nvidia's attempt to bring android gaming and PC game streaming in an handheld gaming device certainly is a revolution , but it needs a revolution for itself , to make sense and be a device not just for showing off , but be used for its sole purpose of gaming. Hopefully the next Shield will have something more better and a better price tag forcing me to buy one :)
  25. I have to say that I really like the concept, but I didn't read anywhere (maybe I missed it) if this Streaming to the Shield device is for any Video Card vendor.

    If it is closed to nVidia hardware only, I'll wait for the open alternative and see how it fares (if AMD or Intel want to make something like it).

    I won't tie myself to a brand for $300USD, even if it seems to be decent tech. Specially with nVidia, lol.

    Cheers!
  26. As someone who often plays games on my lap with my laptop and an Xbox controller, I don't see the need for this, surely this money is better spent on a separate tablet. Surely, you can just stick a laptop somewhere and play on an xbox controller or am I missing something?
  27. PSP Vita wins ...

    Who needs a portable device without exclusive games ?

    Nvidia should buy some software house to make this thing happen.
  28. SNA3 said:
    PSP Vita wins ...

    Who needs a portable device without exclusive games ?

    Nvidia should buy some software house to make this thing happen.


    HAWKEN. Nuff said. Vita has less games coming also...So I'd say two losses :)
  29. CaptainTom said:
    Frankly I can play any game on my very portable $750 laptop with a 750m in more than 720p, and I already need that for school (Like most people).

    And if I want handheld gaming, I'll play Uncharted/Killzone on my vita over Angry Birds any day lol!


    You're under the mistaken impression Angry Birds is all that's on android.
    A list I've pasted before, and not exhaustive at all, no sports games etc in here really:
    Demon Score (square enix)
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.square_enix.demonsgp&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5zcXVhcmVfZW5peC5kZW1vbnNncCJd

    Wild Blood
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gameloft.android.ANMP.GloftWBHM&feature=related_apps

    Note the unreal engine 3 is just kicking off on mobile, a lot more in the pipe. Also Real Boxing and Hawken (hawken is coming, NV showed it running on T4 already).

    Modern Combat 1-4:
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gameloft.android.ANMP.GloftM4HM&feature=more_from_developer

    Make sure you up the video to 1080p... It rocks. This is PRE-T4. These are made for current crap T3 etc...OLD, some even T2 games below.

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gameloft.android.ANMP.GloftM3HM&feature=related_apps#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwOSwiY29tLmdhbWVsb2Z0LmFuZHJvaWQuQU5NUC5HbG9mdE0zSE0iXQ..

    Eternity Warriors 2 (1-5mil installs in the last 30 days...wow):
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.glu.ewarriors2&feature=more_from_developer#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwMiwiY29tLmdsdS5ld2FycmlvcnMyIl0.
    WOW, no, there will be no good games on tablets/phones etc. :)

    Iron Man 3 (impressive to say the least)
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gameloft.android.ANMP.GloftIMHM&feature=related_apps

    Frontline Commando
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.glu.flcn_new&feature=more_from_developer#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwMiwiY29tLmdsdS5mbGNuX25ldyJd

    Nova 3 (nova 1 & 2 aren't bad either)
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gameloft.android.ANMP.GloftN3HM&feature=more_from_developer

    Dark Knight Rises:
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gameloft.android.ANMP.GloftKRHM&feature=more_from_developer

    Gangstar Rio
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gameloft.android.ANMP.GloftG4HM&feature=related_apps

    Shadowgun (still think tablets are crap?)
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.madfingergames.shadowgun_thd&feature=related_apps

    Bard's Tale (hey, isn't this a CONSOLE game...LOL)
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.inxile.BardTale&feature=related_apps

    ArmA2: Firing Range (not impressive, but this was 2011...LOL)
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bistudio.a2fr&feature=more_from_developer#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwMiwiY29tLmJpc3R1ZGlvLmEyZnIiXQ..

    Again for Tegra2...
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.slitherine.gbm&feature=also_installed#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwNCwiY29tLnNsaXRoZXJpbmUuZ2JtIl0.

    Renaissance Blood
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Bridea.NC.THD.RenaissanceBlood&feature=related_apps

    Zombie Driver THD
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.exor.ZombieDriver&feature=also_installed#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwNCwiY29tLmV4b3IuWm9tYmllRHJpdmVyIl0.

    Chaos Rings 1 & 2:
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.square_enix.chaosrings2gp&feature=related_apps#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwOSwiY29tLnNxdWFyZV9lbml4LmNoYW9zcmluZ3MyZ3AiXQ..
    Please realize it's in english when you buy it...LOL

    Blazing Souls Accelate:
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hyperdevbox.blazingsouls&feature=more_from_developer#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwMiwiY29tLmh5cGVyZGV2Ym94LmJsYXppbmdzb3VscyJd


    Final Fantasy 3 in 3d (2006 game but on current handhelds)
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.square_enix.android_googleplay.FFIII_GP&feature=more_from_developer#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwMiwiY29tLnNxdWFyZV9lbml4LmFuZHJvaWRfZ29vZ2xlcGxheS5GRklJSV9HUCJd

    Amazing Spiderman:
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gameloft.android.ANMP.GloftAMHM&feature=related_apps#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwOSwiY29tLmdhbWVsb2Z0LmFuZHJvaWQuQU5NUC5HbG9mdEFNSE0iXQ..

    Need for Speed Most Wanted:
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ea.games.nfs13_row&feature=related_apps#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwOSwiY29tLmVhLmdhbWVzLm5mczEzX3JvdyJd

    Asphalt 7
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gameloft.android.ANMP.GloftA7HM&feature=more_from_developer#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwMiwiY29tLmdhbWVsb2Z0LmFuZHJvaWQuQU5NUC5HbG9mdEE3SE0iXQ..

    COD Black Ops Zombie game...Who knew?
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.atv.blackops&feature=related_apps#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwOSwiY29tLmF0di5ibGFja29wcyJd

    I think I missed Asphalt 8, and all the madden, nba, fifa etc types. My list was more interested in rpg/strategy.
  30. "Shoot, I can even see myself hanging out with the wife in bed while she reads on her Kindle."

    married life sounds awesome.
  31. the pc streaming is what attracts me to this, but i dont need it when i'm at home. if nvidia can really invest and get pc streaming into the cloud and i can stream via any wifi anywhere, then i'll take another look.
  32. somebodyspecial said:
    SNA3 said:
    PSP Vita wins ...

    Who needs a portable device without exclusive games ?

    Nvidia should buy some software house to make this thing happen.


    HAWKEN. Nuff said. Vita has less games coming also...So I'd say two losses :)


    Hawken is available for PC , it is not an Exclusive ...
  33. Still all I can think about right now is "OMG back in the days environment-mapped bump mapping was so freaking cool!!!" :-D
  34. Awesome review. Does anyone know what monitors are pictured in tri-screen setup? They look tastey as hell.
  35. Cool, innovative, not worth the price. Why would you give up a 1080+p monitor gaming for a 5" 720p at home? It is cool if you were able to harness the GPU power on the go, but at home, I don't get it, why would someone goes to the bathroom and say play Skyrim, unless he/she wants to camp in there.
  36. I think many of you are missing the main point. This is basically an open Beta for the real deal to come later Tegra5 and onward. This is to learn what works and does not. Shield 2 and so on will be so much more. i am buying one to support Nvidia long term effort. Mark my words will we see with tegra5 streaming pc any where you can get a signal with 4g lte or wifi. Now that is why this will rock in the future. The whole Nvidia grid/ cloud foray should tell you where they are heading!!!
  37. This thing seems more than impractical
  38. The feature I most like is playing remotely from the PC.

    But I would prefer to do that on a laptop, or even a notebook. Playing on bed would be more comfortable if I can have the screen near of my face, but with my arms free, like on a mouse, and not bent over my chest.
  39. The feature I most like is playing remotely from the PC.

    But I would prefer to do that on a laptop, or even a netbook. Playing on bed would be more comfortable if I can have the screen near of my face, but with my arms free, like on a mouse, and not bent over my chest.
  40. Great review. Yes, this device is for a specific user who wants to game or loves great sound from a tablet that is sitting on a surface most of the time. There are so many different ways people use tablets these days and some wants it a certain way that makes them confortable and be able to enjoy the experience. The fast SoC , of course gives this device a clear advantage and so does its wifi capability that tablets cannot match to date. It is a pity that 802.11ac was not implemented since the chipset can clearly drive gigabit range speeds without issue.
  41. I am hoping that since Tegra 4 and this shield came out, that more AAA-like games will be made for Android. I am thinking that many of the devs for Vita titles aren't seeing fruit for their efforts and Android development is so much easier to jump into.
  42. I mean look at this:
    https://developer.nvidia.com/tegra-android-development-pack

    It doesn't get much easier.
  43. This is how I feel about the NVidia Shield:
    http://youtu.be/6rP1ch0rxVU?t=21s
  44. Mr Expert said:
    Lance Theaderman said:
    I think many of you are missing the main point. This is basically an open Beta for the real deal to come later Tegra5 and onward. This is to learn what works and does not. Shield 2 and so on will be so much more. i am buying one to support Nvidia long term effort. Mark my words will we see with tegra5 streaming pc any where you can get a signal with 4g lte or wifi. Now that is why this will rock in the future. The whole Nvidia grid/ cloud foray should tell you where they are heading!!!


    LOL this is a big flop and risk. AMD has a sure thing with the consoles. This stupid handheld will flop because it is to big and there are not enough hardcore geeks like you out there to make it fly well with cell phones becoming more and more powerful and popular. There is no place for this goofy POS called shield LOL. It will be fun to see when nvidia crashes and burns.


    I am not so sure console are a "sure thing" any more. This is the first time that a console launch with weaker specs than a medium gaming PC out of the gate. Typically it is Consoles are stronger than the best gaming rig money can buy.(last 3 generations have been for sure) I have built more gaming computers in the last 6 mths for people who are getting away from consoles than I have built in 5 years. Typically they are budget rigs with 650ti boost to GTX760 Nvidia cards or comparable ATI/AMD cards. I can build 650.00 to 1000.00 game rig that does as well or much better than a PS$ or Xbone. Also you can always add a second card to upgrade later on.

    Besides I am far from a hardcore geek. If anything I am a Gym rat or an ATV/Dirt Bike fanatic. Gaming is a stress relief nothing more, nothing less. That all said will the shield succeed. I feel confident it will. Nvidia is not looking to sell a billion of them. They are looking to carve out a nice slice of pie in the portable gaming market. I think they will do that with the coming models. I do not think this Shield will sell like hotcakes but as they upgrade it I feel it will outclass all other portable game systems. Besides unlike AMD/ATI Nvidia actually has money to burn...... ;-) If it fails so what. Try something else. They have the capital. They are typically smart with it. That is why they have billions of cash on hand 3.4b and have no debt. AMD/ATI on the other hand are struggling and had to sell their headquarters to get a cash surge. They now rent that building.......I hope they do make a turn around as I like their products. As with the shield....time will tell.
  45. Lance Theaderman said:
    Mr Expert said:
    Lance Theaderman said:
    I think many of you are missing the main point. This is basically an open Beta for the real deal to come later Tegra5 and onward. This is to learn what works and does not. Shield 2 and so on will be so much more. i am buying one to support Nvidia long term effort. Mark my words will we see with tegra5 streaming pc any where you can get a signal with 4g lte or wifi. Now that is why this will rock in the future. The whole Nvidia grid/ cloud foray should tell you where they are heading!!!


    LOL this is a big flop and risk. AMD has a sure thing with the consoles. This stupid handheld will flop because it is to big and there are not enough hardcore geeks like you out there to make it fly well with cell phones becoming more and more powerful and popular. There is no place for this goofy POS called shield LOL. It will be fun to see when nvidia crashes and burns.


    I am not so sure console are a "sure thing" any more. This is the first time that a console launch with weaker specs than a medium gaming PC out of the gate. Typically it is Consoles are stronger than the best gaming rig money can buy.(last 3 generations have been for sure) I have built more gaming computers in the last 6 mths for people who are getting away from consoles than I have built in 5 years. Typically they are budget rigs with 650ti boost to GTX760 Nvidia cards or comparable ATI/AMD cards. I can build 650.00 to 1000.00 game rig that does as well or much better than a PS$ or Xbone. Also you can always add a second card to upgrade later on.

    Besides I am far from a hardcore geek. If anything I am a Gym rat or an ATV/Dirt Bike fanatic. Gaming is a stress relief nothing more, nothing less. That all said will the shield succeed. I feel confident it will. Nvidia is not looking to sell a billion of them. They are looking to carve out a nice slice of pie in the portable gaming market. I think they will do that with the coming models. I do not think this Shield will sell like hotcakes but as they upgrade it I feel it will outclass all other portable game systems. Besides unlike AMD/ATI Nvidia actually has money to burn...... ;-) If it fails so what. Try something else. They have the capital. They are typically smart with it. That is why they have billions of cash on hand 3.4b and have no debt. AMD/ATI on the other hand are struggling and had to sell their headquarters to get a cash surge. They now rent that building.......I hope they do make a turn around as I like their products. As with the shield....time will tell.


    You clearly don't understand how consoles work. Consoles do not work the same way a PC does. A console doesn't have to have a big ass video card, it doesn't need a lightning fast CPU to display great graphics. To compare a console to a PC in terms of hardware is illogical.
  46. SNA3 said:
    somebodyspecial said:
    SNA3 said:
    PSP Vita wins ...

    Who needs a portable device without exclusive games ?

    Nvidia should buy some software house to make this thing happen.


    HAWKEN. Nuff said. Vita has less games coming also...So I'd say two losses :)


    Hawken is available for PC , it is not an Exclusive ...


    It's a portable exclusive for tegra. I don't value exclusives much anyway but I'd like to see NV back some great GAMEPAD experiences that look better on their hardware to push the android platform to kill consoles for good or google can do this also with whatever console they have coming. I'd rather see NV pay small amounts to lots of devs to get them to optimize their games to fully use the T4 hardware. Exclusives clearly don't hurt if they're great. An exclusive (totally) for T4 & shield wouldn't make a ton of money if any and would just be wasted cash. I'd always rather see a ton of great experiences than just ONE thing I can't get anywhere for the same dev price. For the price of one exclusive (that probably loses money on such a niche platform for a while), NV could pay a bunch of devs to make T4 hardware have many special versions of games which they seem to be doing already. Tegrazone has new versions specially altered for their hardware just since release or maybe just a lot more content for them or combo of both (more levels and better graphics etc). Until shield sells 10mil (if ever?) an exclusive is a huge waste of money that could improve maybe dozens of games if not more. At 10mil or so selling a game at 10 to 10% of the owners should guarantee a few million on a AAA game experience. Witcher2 for instance was 7mil (wit1 also) so a $10 game makes a 3mil profit and worth developing if you can get a million sold. I can see this being doable if you have it maybe exclusive for a year then allow the rest of android to have it making sure NV gets their money back for more AAA game dev, but not without tons of sales of shield alone.

    Interesting times ahead as we find out in another Q how many sold. I'm hoping for a million or more (as I think that would make them 100mil on it roughly) so they can just poor that money right back into game dev immediately. With 100mil or so you can dev 25 AAA 4mil titles for next xmas or something. Whatever profits they made on sales in this Q (assuming over 100K units which I think breaks them even on the 10mil to dev it) need to be translated shortly to an announcement of a bunch of games coming.

    Uncharted hasn't made me buy a PS3 (yet?). I didn't buy an xbox360 for any particular game that is exclusive either. I bought it for what I thought were far more games rated above 75 at metacritic (better experiences, and devs complaining about difficulty make ps3 games). There are not enough on PS3 to probably ever woo me. I'm not missing many games (only the exclusives) from PS3. Certainly not enough to warrant anything over $150 for me if they ever get there IMHO. I'd be buying it basically for about 15 games ps3 has that I'd like to have, and the choice of who's port is best when something new comes out. Hardly worth my purchase now.
  47. b737lvr said:
    Lance Theaderman said:
    Mr Expert said:
    Lance Theaderman said:
    I think many of you are missing the main point. This is basically an open Beta for the real deal to come later Tegra5 and onward. This is to learn what works and does not. Shield 2 and so on will be so much more. i am buying one to support Nvidia long term effort. Mark my words will we see with tegra5 streaming pc any where you can get a signal with 4g lte or wifi. Now that is why this will rock in the future. The whole Nvidia grid/ cloud foray should tell you where they are heading!!!


    LOL this is a big flop and risk. AMD has a sure thing with the consoles. This stupid handheld will flop because it is to big and there are not enough hardcore geeks like you out there to make it fly well with cell phones becoming more and more powerful and popular. There is no place for this goofy POS called shield LOL. It will be fun to see when nvidia crashes and burns.


    I am not so sure console are a "sure thing" any more. This is the first time that a console launch with weaker specs than a medium gaming PC out of the gate. Typically it is Consoles are stronger than the best gaming rig money can buy.(last 3 generations have been for sure) I have built more gaming computers in the last 6 mths for people who are getting away from consoles than I have built in 5 years. Typically they are budget rigs with 650ti boost to GTX760 Nvidia cards or comparable ATI/AMD cards. I can build 650.00 to 1000.00 game rig that does as well or much better than a PS$ or Xbone. Also you can always add a second card to upgrade later on.

    Besides I am far from a hardcore geek. If anything I am a Gym rat or an ATV/Dirt Bike fanatic. Gaming is a stress relief nothing more, nothing less. That all said will the shield succeed. I feel confident it will. Nvidia is not looking to sell a billion of them. They are looking to carve out a nice slice of pie in the portable gaming market. I think they will do that with the coming models. I do not think this Shield will sell like hotcakes but as they upgrade it I feel it will outclass all other portable game systems. Besides unlike AMD/ATI Nvidia actually has money to burn...... ;-) If it fails so what. Try something else. They have the capital. They are typically smart with it. That is why they have billions of cash on hand 3.4b and have no debt. AMD/ATI on the other hand are struggling and had to sell their headquarters to get a cash surge. They now rent that building.......I hope they do make a turn around as I like their products. As with the shield....time will tell.


    You clearly don't understand how consoles work. Consoles do not work the same way a PC does. A console doesn't have to have a big ass video card, it doesn't need a lightning fast CPU to display great graphics. To compare a console to a PC in terms of hardware is illogical.

    Consoles are lacking this time, he is correct. This is why they will be irrelevant so fast vs. mobile that will catch them in just a few years if not sooner if someone decides to pack a few 14nm socs together in a 100w box. Consoles are dead. Mainstream will leave this time (which is the huge numbers that eventually get sold from years 3-8) and only hardcore will remain for this gen. That will kill them alone, never mind the quickly growing competition yearly.

    Why do all devs say (including devs like crytek) you can't put a $2000 pc in a $500 console? Why do the graphics still look better on screenshots of PC vs. Ps4? You may be able to get away with less, but not 1/3 the power. You can't make that up no matter how you optimize. Never mind the fact you can put in too reasonably cheap cards and blow away a titan which destroys consoles already. Heck you can put in 4 cards. PC programmers can be totally lazy and output better graphics than consoles just due to the overwhelming power inside a PC. Consoles shot too low but really couldn't help it based on the losses on the last gen (8B between sony/ms)
  48. Nice tag, Streaming is nice but if you are close toy our pc why not use the PC itself?

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  49. Neelima Neelu said:
    Nice tag, Streaming is nice but if you are close toy our pc why not use the PC itself?

    http://firstride.in/


    A couch or bed is more comfortable? Especially after long hours on a PC all day at work and at times fat feet at home with even more hours...LOL. Not to mention I'd want it to miracast to my TV (or HDMI out to tv). I haven't seen anyone talk much about how good that works but to me that's what this is for. PC games ON my TV and using a gamepad just like an xbox etc. I want it to replace a handheld and a nextgen console purchase. Just enough fun on the TV to put those purchases off, and hardcore back on PC when it's not a gamepad game. Not to mention all the other abilities it has (movies anywhere to any hdmi or miracast tv, great tv browsing, portable netflix player no need for roku etc).

    I like the device I'd just like to see them say they're funding 1Bil in AAA games for gamepads. Use them exclusive for shield for a period (6-12 months?) then sell them to all android users later to really recoup your money. They should aim them at T5 then just scale features down when the game sees it's being installed on T4 etc. I say aim at T5 power because if you start a game now it will be coming next xmas or so right? So T5 will already be in shield rev2 for 4-5 months by then.

    You can make a AAA game for $2-7mil (torchlights 2mil, witcher 1&2 were ~7mil) so that's a lot of awesome games to suck people to tegra. Surely they would make 10mil+ per game in a billion unit smart device android audience (once released to everyone else). 1% of android users buy your game and you make 100mil even at $10. Every game basically can be used to fund another 10-20...LOL. This is how they can easily win the console war. Even at 4mil/game that's 250 great games (we're not talking angry birds here) over say 5 yrs (50 a year?). Smart phones/tablets that also now work with xbox360 controllers etc will make every single one profitable if they are anywhere near decent fun for $10. Vita/3DS games only cost 1mil-2mil to make (smaller assets due to low res etc), so this is very doable with the numbers I'm giving. If they don't make some announcement like this they are really wasting a great way to kill consoles quickly. More would buy a shield if they knew there were 250 great games coming over the next few years for it (above and beyond the already growing load from googleplay).
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