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I'm a college student studying physics, and in a former life I was a software developer. I've had Macs for the longest time, but for my next machine I've decided to go back to Linux (and I'll probably do a Windows install to, for the odd peripheral that doesn't work with Linux).

I've never built a computer, but here below I'm posting the pile of parts that I just put together on Newegg. Any advice or comments would be much appreciated, especially if I'm doing anything horribly wrong.

Here it goes!

Processor (Xeon E3 Haswell, 3.5 GHz, 4 real cores, but 8 with hyperthreading):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116908

Video Card (NVidia GTX Titan):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130897

Memory (32 Gigs, ECC, Registered):
http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=CT2K16G3ERSLD4160B

SSD Drive (256 GB, Samsung):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147193

Motherboard (ASRock C226WS):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157409

Power Supply (700W, Modular, 80+ Bronze Rating):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817190031

Display (24" Samsung, 1920x1080 Resolution, I'll get a better one later):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001807

Disk Drive (Just some LG BD-RE Drive):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136264

Case (An unassuming Rosewill):
http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Tower-Computer-Three-LINE/dp/B00A3FWBPE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1376208402&sr=8-3&keywords=rosewill+line

I'd love to know if it looks ready to buy and assemble!

I'm especially unsure about the PSU. For all I know it could be totally overkill, or maybe it's actually inadequate; I honestly have no idea.

Many thanks for reading,
-Patrick
 
Gigabyte do have new xeon mobo. http://b2b.gigabyte.com/products/list.aspx?cg=11&p=189&v=18&ck=101
Askk newegg or some other store to order one for you.

Do you really need ECC memory?

If you want xeon cpu lot cheaper is 1150 xeon like 1230V2 + Motherboard, build like this:
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qFOX
For one videocard you can take 550w good psu. You can downgrade memory to 8 or 16GB 32GB is overkill. GTX titan is overkill too.
For monitor this is cheap and good quality. http://www.amazon.com/QNIX-QX2710-LED-Evolution-2560x1440/dp/B00CI3EQA2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1376210976&sr=8-4&keywords=QNIX%E2%98%85+QX2710+LED+Evolution+ll

Your build price is so huge that Id get 2011 buld. Best wait new intel 4930k cpu to come out. (two months) then new motherboard will support DDR4 emory.
If you do it now then like this.
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1qFSw

If plan is to build this now then maybe 1150 build with 4770k or 3930k cpu are best choice. Id go for a 3930k.
 

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I don't really *need* the ECC memory, but the price difference and performance hit are both negligible, and I want to learn how ECC memory functions, and about the software tools on Linux that support and work with it, so ECC it will be.

The PSU can't be 550W, the Titan specs claim that it requires 600W minimum. What I'm confused about is how much over 600W I have to go to support all of the other parts.

The 32 gigs isn't overkill. I have physics simulations and OCR projects that deal with huge amounts of data, and I regularly cap out all of the ram on any given system that I run them on. They'll cap out the 32 gigs too.

Whether or not the titan is overkill is subjective. I know OpenGL, I want to learn how to program against CUDA, and also I occasionally play video games. I have the money, so it'd be nice to have the best possible card, especially if I can retrofit my physics simulations and OCR projects to run against CUDA.

I definitely don't want the 4770k, because it lacks ECC, which I'm curious to play with.

The cost isn't an issue for me. I'm not really interested in hearing about how I could do this cheaper unless your cheaper build is very close to equivalent, and notably cheaper.

I've never put together a machine before, so my main desire is to get feedback about whether or not it'll explode when I turn it on, given that parts that I've chosen. Especially with respect to the PSU, and perhaps also with respect to issues of consumer parts like the Titan working (or not working) with server chipsets like the C226.
 

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Is the Gigabyte motherboard better somehow? I'll have a peek in the morning, at the moment I really have to eat and then crash.
 

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Get a Corsair AX1200. 700w will be pushing it... When it comes to chipsets in this category, age is not as relevant a factor as in gaming or other builds. Everything else on your build will work just fine. The one thing i would definitely go for is a better case. If you are running such heavy simulations, good cooling is a must; even water cooling inst really overkill for this rig. Look at something like the Cosmos 2 or Obsidian 800D.
 

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When you say that 700W will be "pushing it," do you mean that 700 won't be enough, or that it'll be too much? Some recent googling seems to suggest that while the Titan says it wants 600W, it only ever really draws 250W. I image the Xeon E3 doesn't draw much more either. So if I were to get a 1200W PSU, what math would justify that? Again I'll repeat that I have no idea what I'm talking about with any of this, so I fully expect that my fear of 1200W is unwarranted. Or is it?

As for the case, wow, the 800D looks awesome. I just had a look at some of the videos here:

www.corsair.com/pc-cases/obsidian-series-pc-case/obsidian-series-800d.html

I'll definitely swap it into my newegg cart, thanks for pointing that out. I wonder if it comes with all the extra fans, hmm...

As for the water cooling, I did consider it, but given that I'm new to this I think I'll stick with fans initially. I suppose I could always upgrade to water cooling later?
 

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The rule of thumb when buying a PSU is get the most efficient and biggest the budget will allow. If your rig is ever maxed out, it will consume over 1000w easily. Plus, the PSU is always an investment in a computer. If you want to upgrade in the future, such as SLI titans, etc, you will need a bigger psu and this will allow you to do it without wasting money. The reason I suggested you should get a AX1200 is that it is the best in its class and quite a bargain.
As for the 800D, mine came with a few fans, but i needed to get a few more for the top mounts. There should be a list of things like that on Corsairs website. The water cooling is definitely not necessary, but for a build like this it would be a nice option.
 
Ax 1200 is not best in that class. There is better ones.

Abuot how big you need.
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For case look silverstone. Really good option
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/2010/08/12/silverstone-ft02r-w-review/
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/silverstone-case-ft02bw
Really nice case, works with air or water. Google some water builds. maybe you find nice ones :)
 

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For the good of the thread, and in order to be actually be helpful, might I urge you to name a better PSU so that the OP can make their mind up? The AX1200 got an Editors Choice Award over at overclockersclub.com, not to mention numerous others.
The case is a personal issue, but the one that you named has many problems. It has no USB 3, not to mention inferior cooling and of a poorer quality.
 

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Question: Will a 1200 watt supply inflate up my power bill even when my machine is just idling?

Because a lot of the time I'm just writing code or typing up school papers, and those things definitely don't push any things to the limits.

You have me somewhat convinced though, I'll go for it.
 

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This PSU, as well as many others, will automatically determine how much current to draw, so it is not 1200W all the time. The reason I suggested a bigger one is so that it will not be under strain and eventually fail, and so that you can use all components to their fullest. Your rigs max power draw will only be reached through demanding tasks.
 


Did you read the review? I did not notice any problems in that case. USB 3 you can buy separetly to case if you need one.
There is usb 3 with this case. http://pcpartpicker.com/part/silverstone-case-sstft02busb30

Better psu for this build is seasonic x or rosewill capstone 750
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Seasonic-X-Series-750-W-Power-Supply-Review/1591/11
That 750w psu gives 937w to 100% load.

Now I did put in really good 750w psu (cheap) rosewill gold 750 inder 100 $ and this guy comes and say lets buy a 1200w psu and its price is 260 $

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Rosewill/CAPSTONE-750-M/10.html
http://www.legitreviews.com/rosewill-capstone-750w-power-supply-review_2049/8

So Ax 1200 is 263 $ http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cmpsu1200ax
Axi 1200 is 299 $ http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-ax1200i

is it really worth 160 $ more?
This is 96 $ and can do the job with flying colours. IT can do sli only build you need 1200w psu is four way sli.
With server boards that is not an option now is it?
For 20$ more than corsair 1200 you can buy a good 750w + 1300w like this.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-power-supply-lightning1300
Is this going to be a build that do have 4 Titans in sli? You guys must be joking. That is 4000 $ to GPU + build top of that.
Corsair 800D is old case. New one is 900D and that is lot better than old.

Your rigs max power draw will only be reached through demanding tasks.
How much power this build will take? Any idea? I think it is about 250w in good load.
now 3770k + 780 takes about 250w whaen you play game like BF3 whole build.
Including memory ,SSD case fans. So where do you need that 1200w?? Xeon cant OC so only thing you can OC is GPU.
It cant take so much power that you'dneed 1200w. 1200w you can do 4 way sli with four 780.
Btw. 780 are 2% slower but they are 350-400 cheaper. Same thing with cpu. intel xeon 1230V2 / 1230V3 is 100 cheaper than 1275 but only bit slower. 1230V3 3.3GHz Turbo 3.7 1275V3 3.5GHz turbo 3.9.
Is 200MHz worth pay 100 $ more? Is it?




 

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The 900D is not a newer version of the 800D, but rather a step up. I would've recommended it, but to my eyes it is ridiculous and unnecessary. My point about the Sliverstone you named must have been lost on you, as I was implying it was inferior, to say the least. You have not realized how hot this rig will get without proper cooling, which the Silverstone does not even nearly provide.

Your analysis of the titan and xeon is flawed, as synthetic benchmarking will fail the better chips, but in real world number crunching, they win by a justifiable amount. The OP has stated their stance on these parts as well, and they were not in question. You are thinking along the lines of building a gaming pc, not what is really needed.

And that takes me to my final point; the PSU. 1200W is big, there is no doubt. But that is perfect for this build. If the OP wants a quick boost in power without having to fully upgrade his pc, then SLI titans are not off the tables, especially at this price. Then your precious 750w will have to be expensively upgraded and there will be a $96 waste. I have been building PCs for clients for more years than I care to mention, and by simply investing in a decent PSU in the beginning, a lot of pain can be avoided. Capacitor degradation is a reality with a build like this, and a 750W, even if it is sufficient, will be more easily damaged and it has the possibility to damage the entire build, but with the AX1200s modular design and larger capacity, it will prove safer. It is easier to cut a piece of paper when tight than if it is flaccid. Anything under even slightly more strain will be exponentially more unstable! Only people with true experience view the PSU as an investment; something I urge the OP to do as well, as they will be distraught if they make the wrong decision.
Have you taken a possible water cooling loop into account? All of the extra fans? How about the aforementioned SLI setup? 1200W is easily the way to go. It will provide a decent backbone to any future additions.

The one thing I would like to ask the OP, is about the storage. You have only listed a 256gb SSD. You might need more... especially with large simulations.
 
The 900D is not a newer version of the 800D, but rather a step up. I would've recommended it, but to my eyes it is ridiculous and unnecessary. My point about the Sliverstone you named must have been lost on you, as I was implying it was inferior, to say the least. You have not realized how hot this rig will get without proper cooling, which the Silverstone does not even nearly provide.

Id like to know how hot that build is going to get? Lets see Iv seen in that same silverstone fourway sli GTX 780 cards used.
So how is cooling not enough? Xeon is cooler than 4670 or 4770k. Or maybe not but it is cooler because it cant be overclocked. So here is silverstone cooling performance. How much hotter is GPU in 800D?
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/2010/08/12/silverstone-ft02r-w-review/2

Corsair is not even getting recommed reward here: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Corsair-Obsidian-Series-800D-Case-Review/884/7

And that takes me to my final point; the PSU. 1200W is big, there is no doubt. But that is perfect for this build.

No it is just too big for this build. PSU is good when it works 60-80% load. 1200w is not even close to that. Only one getting any benefit if you use that is the electric company. How come 260$ psu is good if 100$ psu can do the same job?
that 750w gold psu do have five year warranty. Good efficiency and it cheap now. OP do not lose anything because he can buy 1300w psu later if he needs one. That is the cheaper way to go. And better. He can sell the 750w and have good money if he needs some point bigger.

Have you taken a possible water cooling loop into account? All of the extra fans? How about the aforementioned SLI setup? 1200W is easily the way to go. It will provide a decent backbone to any future additions.

750w can do sli + water loop. Fans take about 2-3w. 1200w you do not need before you do 3 or 4 way sli.
Why this is so hard to understand? :) Overkill psu is not a investment. it is just stupid thing to do.

Anything under even slightly more strain will be exponentially more unstable!
Really? My frend do have build with 3930k + GTX 770 with 550w psu. He has four HDD . Two SSD. case fans two DVD drives and lots of other stuff. That is working just fine. How come?

How is this buld? How can this work?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XnU8MPjp1Y Titan with 660w psu :D

Sure if someone thinks he needs 1200w psu. Buy this. Now this is 200$ still 60$ cheaper than Ax 1200.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-power-supply-lightning1300

Yeah better buy two SSD to raid 0 than 1200w psu that he sure do not need :)
U have two ssd and then work really well in RAID 0.

This kind of money 2011 build is good way to go.

No need for more casefans. No need for bigger psu. Can handle SLI. No need for more SSD . No need for better cpu cooler. Only thing what is is missing DVD or BD writer.

Lot better than any 1150 build. Lot faster cpu and you can OC that. With OC the gpu it is as good as the Titan.
ECC memory is not giving any real world benefit.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1r8Fh
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1r8Fh/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1r8Fh/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($499.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X79-UP4 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($233.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($119.97 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($119.97 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($164.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($164.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($119.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($659.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Silverstone SST-FT02B-W-USB3.0 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($261.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($95.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2516.84
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 13:41 EDT-0400)





 

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I would like to see a build of such calibre be well within the limits of everything to play it safe. PSUs fail for one of two reasons: 1) Capacitor failure, and 2) Power surges. Since any electronic device can be damaged by a surge, lets focus on the second point. Capacitor failure is very common in high end rigs. 700W, or even less, as your rightly pointed out, will be a perfectly acceptable amount of current to support the PC. There is no doubt there - it will switch on and function properly. But I have seen many companies and clients come back complaining of PSU failure - some very dramatic indeed! The larger the headroom, the less stress there is on the PSU. That, and the uncertainty of possible upgrades in the future are the only factors driving me to suggest the AX1200. If the OP said they are planning on building a brand new computer within 3 years, with the PSU changed, I would be completely with you, but the uncertainty is, in my opinion, worth the extra cash. There is no such thing as too big a PSU ;)

The case is personal opinion, but I invested much time and effort into researching every option for my own build, and can say for sure that the 800D is, in this consumers eyes, the best.

Just to bring you up to date, the OP already stated they want ECC memory; that they already have a DVD drive; and that they are set on the Xeon and Titan.

So, to sum this thread up, the OP has a choice of opinions. They can save a little and get a PC not suited to their needs or desires, or simply amend the PSU to fit a build they already, quite correctly, chose.

Just on a side note; I would not be proud of the smallest PSU you can fit in a PC without it frying everything. From the start, you suggested a 550W cheap PSU. This is terrible and irresponsible logic that borders on trolling. I honestly have never seen such disregard for awesome machines. It is better to power a rig with the recommended wattage rating, and not the actual power draw, especially for such an expensive build. It is not how much you can power for how little, it is how much you can power safely. It is better not to skimp on a build like this.
 

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Totally agree with this... you need a big psu and it is better to never compromise if possible ;) other specs are awesome, but i would add more storage. That depends on the end user, though :) Good luck with the build!
 


So now you cant read ither?
Any advice or comments would be much appreciated, especially if I'm doing anything horribly wrong.
It that is not wrong make build more expensive than it is good buy. Now what is?

No I did not suggest cheap 550w psu. I did say a good 550w psu can make this build work just fine.
All good psu do have under voltage , overvoltage protection. So they will NOT fry anything. Not anymore if you buy a GOOD psu. Like seasonic ,rosewill or some other good brands. Actually corsair is not what I call a good brand.
Thay have had lots of senbacks over the new platinium psu modells. So are they good? IMO no they are not.
There is better ones out. like super flower and rosewill. Seasonic is good.
How come corsair Ax 850 do have 1.8% sendback here?
http://www.behardware.com/articles/843-8/components-returns-rates-5.html
So is 1200w any better than 850w? three corsair psu in top five.

Still it is more important psu have enough AMPS than wattage.
All psu test go like that they pull out full load and tell how much wattage psu gives.
No bigger is not better. New psu are made to work on load that load is 60-90% new good efficiency psu.
If you use like 20% psu is not even best efficiency level.
There is this one dude I know. He do have 1300w psu. He do have four video carss. Then that psu is in 80% load.
So why this do not work in smaller good psu? It works fine. If psu braks build that is just bad luck.
That 1200w Ax can do just that too.



 

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Dude, wtf? Youre clearly not understanding what p4nz3rm4d is saying in the slightest. That last post was just rude, and I too think you are wrong. You did suggest a 550w psu, which is insane. Capacitors fail under stress, as p4nz3rm4d pointed out, and they have the ability to fry a machine. Go look in the psu section of the forum. The smaller the PSU, the hight the chance it has to fail! How are you not understanding this? With such a big rig, get a bigger PSU! Simple! And the OP posted after the original one where you got that quote... he said

"I don't really *need* the ECC memory, but the price difference and performance hit are both negligible, and I want to learn how ECC memory functions, and about the software tools on Linux that support and work with it, so ECC it will be.

The PSU can't be 550W, the Titan specs claim that it requires 600W minimum. What I'm confused about is how much over 600W I have to go to support all of the other parts.

The 32 gigs isn't overkill. I have physics simulations and OCR projects that deal with huge amounts of data, and I regularly cap out all of the ram on any given system that I run them on. They'll cap out the 32 gigs too.

Whether or not the titan is overkill is subjective. I know OpenGL, I want to learn how to program against CUDA, and also I occasionally play video games. I have the money, so it'd be nice to have the best possible card, especially if I can retrofit my physics simulations and OCR projects to run against CUDA."

BTW, corsair is one of the best brands avaliable. Their psus are made by seasonic, but have better warranties and reputation. Now stop being rude or ill get the mods involved

 

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^^Thanks man, appreciate the help. Nice to see someone else with common sense here! To AxlFone, you are one of the rudest and immature posters i have seen on this otherwise admirable forum.
To the OP; get the AX1200 if you can. If not that, then anything over 1000w. You can power it off less, but it might come back to bight you, and its better not to take a chance with this stuff, not as AxlFone would have you believe.
 
To AxlFone, you are one of the rudest and immature posters i have seen on this otherwise admirable forum.
Each has their opinion. You did tell that silverstone case do have issues with cooling. That is lie.
Thatis best case ever tested in that forum. And it do not need any fans added later.
You have personal opinion. That is fine. But that is really not whatId call a coomon sense.

You can power it off less,
This is true.

but it might come back to bight you, and its better not to take a chance with this stuff, not as AxlFone would have you believe.

This is not so true. What comes to personal experiences. I did have lga 775 build with seasonic psu. It was with seasonic SS 500HT psu. It did work 7years 24/7 and now it still works. Build was Q9300 cpu and GTX 8800 four HDD and it OC:d to 3.8GHz. Case did have just one 120mm fan + psu fan. GPU was passive. Then I did have 1366 build after that. Same psu did work just fine. Now I have that same psu If I need one if new one fails some how. In 1366 build I did have 960 CPU + GTX 560 and it did work just fine with two SSD + 4 harddrives. One DVD + four led case fans. Then I did go for 2011 build. Then I did buy new psu. Now I do have Rosewill 750w and it works just fine with two 780.
I have this modell. http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-power-supply-tachyon750
Other option was seasonic X 750 but this was cheaper and better efficiency. All good psu gives you more wattage than it is "labeled for" like seasonic x 750 gives over 900w full load. Than it is soo near 1000w psu that can be. Same thing with good smaller psu. Like this one. 550w rosewill gold.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Rosewill-CAPSTONE-550M-Power-Supply-Review/1584/9
625w and psu is just 550w label.

Rosewill 750w gives you 849w to full load.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Rosewill-Tachyon-750-W-Power-Supply-Review/1691/11
Not bad for a 750w psu.

I think Ax 750 gives you over 900w too. :) so if you use like two 250w GPU like titans a good 750 gives you enough wattage if you do not OC the cpu + gpu all out. 500w to gpu +150w to cpu is 650w and a good 750w psu gives over 900w tahen you have 150w more than you will ever use. And that is enough. Common sense. Now xeon takes lot less wattage than OC 4670k then it gives you enough wattage room.

Sure why not lets put to this build one really good psu. HERE:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182251
If 1200w is better than 750w then 1600w must be better than 1200w. So why not? :D

And if build needs to be one kick ass build for performance. Whynot build new Intel 12-core Xeon E5-2697?
I think that is one kick as cpu. :sarcastic:


 

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Even with the difference of views, im with you on the Xeon E5! One awesome chip indeed. I just wanted to put my opinion out there, much as you did the same ;) Well, I think the OP has enough tips, and has all questions answered.
 
Even with the difference of views, im with you on the Xeon E5! One awesome chip indeed. I just wanted to put my opinion out there, much as you did the same ;) Well, I think the OP has enough tips, and has all questions answered.
I like xeon build. It is cheap and really powerfull chip! Xeon 1230V2 / 1230V3 are chep and reallygood buy.
Price vs performance is really good level. The 1275 do not give much more power so I was just thinking why pay so much more and not getting real benefit out of that money. If build do have the iGPU but really if build do have titan or 780 do OP really need that? We both did just want OP to have best build. Hope we can still have our opinions and move on :)
This was not a personal thing :) Must remember that all parts in this tread was recommeded, was really good.
OP still gets really good build what ever OP decides to take. And if we did confuse OP that was not plan. He can ask if he do have any open-ended questions. Hope OP understands this :)
 

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