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Report: AMD's Next-Gen "Hawaii" GPU to Launch in October

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August 22, 2013 8:26:35 PM

daxchunjae02 said:
What about the GTX 800 series!??! I NEED TO KNOW!!THANKS!!!

Q1 2014. I just Googled it for you.

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August 22, 2013 8:31:29 PM

GTX 800 I suppose will be somewhere next year because GTX 700 was release not too long ago.
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August 22, 2013 8:35:39 PM

Most likely no 800 series this year, remember 700 came out this year not too long ago. Scheduled for next year.

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August 22, 2013 8:49:27 PM

17seconds said:
Forget Hawaiian Islands, I want a GTX 790 or a Titan Ultra:

NVIDIA to launch more cards this year, Maxwell in Q1 2014
http://videocardz.com/45403/nvidia-to-launch-more-cards...

Now there's a news story.


If we consider the costs of a Titan then a GTX 790 would have to be more than $1K and there is no reason to spend more than $1K on a GPU with less VRAM than the Titan. Same with the Titan Ultra.

Its either that or NVidia drops the pricing of the GTX780, the Titan and then releases the GTX790 at near $1K.

Still I am a bit excited to see what HI does but not sure its worth the upgrade from the HD7970GHz. Will probably have to wait till Maxwell/PI for a real worth while upgrade since the GTX 700 series is not worth it.
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August 22, 2013 8:54:14 PM

I am interested to know, will this be HD 8000 or actually HD 9000 as rumored before. I really hope that this generation cards will be really powerful :) 
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August 22, 2013 9:03:06 PM

Will this be 28nm or 20nm?
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August 22, 2013 9:03:41 PM

GTX 800 wont come out until 20nm is ready. Nvidia has already stated the only way they get performance gains from 28nm is with larger dies and higher power usage everything else is tapped out for 28nm. They will not release maxwell until the chip makers are ready with finfet 20nm. So if Radeon 8000 is coming out this soon it's going to be on 28nm still and since the 7000 already are pretty big with high power consumption the performance gains cannot be very much. Radeon 8000 is going to be very unspectacular.

I don't think gtx 800 will be q1 2014 as 20nm wont be ready for mass production yet. Im thinking q3-q4 2014 for gtx 800 maxwell and around the same time or a little later for the 20nm radeons. That's when gpu upgrades will be worth it.
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August 22, 2013 9:04:22 PM

17seconds said:
Forget Hawaiian Islands, I want a GTX 790 or a Titan Ultra:

NVIDIA to launch more cards this year, Maxwell in Q1 2014
http://videocardz.com/45403/nvidia-to-launch-more-cards...

Now there's a news story.


I don't click on stories I don't want. Cool story that you have. :bounce: 
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August 22, 2013 9:16:37 PM

Besides the NV fanboys changing the subject to discuss a series that is quite a ways off, I am personally curious about the 9000 series.

I wonder how many compute units it will have.
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August 22, 2013 9:22:20 PM

AMD is a bit late with this gen considering nvidia has a few months on them already, but if the next gen is as good as rumored, then nvidias kind of screwed. a $600 gpu that competes with titan, yikes!
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August 22, 2013 9:29:08 PM

bustapr said:
AMD is a bit late with this gen considering nvidia has a few months on them already, but if the next gen is as good as rumored, then nvidias kind of screwed. a $600 gpu that competes with titan, yikes!


Considering Nvidia only released 2 cards that wasn't already released I woulnd't call it next gen to be honest...
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August 22, 2013 9:54:55 PM

You guys are all so funny. Whenever a new processor is announced, you all say basically all the same exact things everytime with just the specification numbers different.
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August 22, 2013 10:04:09 PM

Looking forward to see the release reviews.
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August 22, 2013 10:13:56 PM

It will be great to see how these cards will stack up against the 700 series in terms of price/performance.
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August 22, 2013 11:37:06 PM

I am waiting the next gen release, so I can buy another Radeon 7790 @ price cut level to crossfire.
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August 23, 2013 12:19:27 AM

Of course in October...Battlefield 4 comes out October 29th. Beta is earlier. Gotta sell em cards so people can play smoothly.
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August 23, 2013 1:19:32 AM

What should be considered high-end Hawaii GPU's?

Would this be like Nvidia GTX 780 and GTX 770 which were released in a week time from eachother with the GTX 760 following a good month later?

In AMD terms would this than mean that we can expect a R9-D970 closely followed by a R9-D950 based on Hawaii XT with limited availability at the start of October for BF4 customers while lower tiers of the Hawaii chip such as the PRO and LT will come a month later?
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August 23, 2013 1:26:37 AM

Hey Tom's. Can you do an article comparing the performance of much older cards than the previous gen? Like run a 5850, 6950, 7950, and the 8950/9950 to see the performance gains over time with cards in the same category? I think that would be a very interesting read since a small minority can afford to upgrade every gen or even every other and you can't really compare older cards because of different benchmarks and drivers.
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August 23, 2013 2:00:31 AM

"Asus, MSI and PowerColor"

So does that mean they ditched Sapphire as the 'main' one?
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August 23, 2013 2:02:43 AM

IndignantSkeptic said:
You guys are all so funny. Whenever a new processor is announced, you all say basically all the same exact things everytime with just the specification numbers different.


It's the "The other company is screwed!" comments that I find the funniest. :lol: 
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August 23, 2013 4:31:28 AM

On the side note, this will probably mean already very affordable HD7000 series will become even more affordable soon.
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August 23, 2013 4:58:00 AM

The 7950 is now selling for 229, it is a great time to be a gamer.
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August 23, 2013 5:49:32 AM

tomfreak said:
I am waiting the next gen release, so I can buy another Radeon 7790 @ price cut level to crossfire.


So am I. The card is a great value, and I just want a little price drop before I go out and get a second one.
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August 23, 2013 6:14:05 AM

hope they get the tdp down somehow, hopign with 20nm or maybe if they foudn a way to lower it with this to do a sub 200 watt full draw mid grade gaming rig mid next year
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August 23, 2013 6:18:05 AM

this year's Christmas would be the best time to build a PC!it's just a matter of time and patients...
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August 23, 2013 7:08:12 AM

Could be a game changer for 600 $ waiting this long is breaking my balls lol
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August 23, 2013 7:26:52 AM

unionoob said:
GTX 800 I suppose will be somewhere next year because GTX 700 was release not too long ago.


nvidia will not hold back the next series just because they just coming out with current series. they will introduce the new series when they think there is a need to. just look what happen to 400 series and 500 series. GTX480 comes out in march 2010. then in november 2010 they start rolling out GTX580
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August 23, 2013 8:25:35 AM

Tripple monitor setups are so cheap now that graphics cards need to be tailored for 5760x1080 resolutions , Even a 16:9 21:9 16:9 tripple monitor setup ,
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August 23, 2013 9:08:38 AM

I am very eager to see how these cards perform.
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August 23, 2013 9:15:15 AM

Looking forward to the next Amd cards, currently running nVidia but are brand agnostic. Whoever brings the best performance and stability in sli/cf config will earn my dollars.

Judging by this forum it seems to be very few brand agnostics left?
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August 23, 2013 9:23:21 AM

rantoc said:
Looking forward to the next Amd cards, currently running nVidia but are brand agnostic. Whoever brings the best performance and stability in sli/cf config will earn my dollars.

Judging by this forum it seems to be very few brand agnostics left?


agreed
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August 25, 2013 1:35:07 PM

Hmm... 600$ AMD card... It would be guite big change for AMD to make that expensive card, but when Nvidia cards can cost something like 1000$... maybe. All in all I still believe that AMD will stay in smaller chip sizes, because it is more economical and make new douple GPU card to compete with Titan series. There is still time for AMD to tinker their drivers for multi GPU usage. If Hawaii is coming out October, it wont have hardware based multi GPU solution like Nvidia have so they have to rely on drivers in this release. Maybe the next generation after Hawaii will allso have hardware component, but I am not an expert of GPU development, so I don't know how much time it will take to implement new features to GPU, maybe even one year is not enough?
Allso october release could mean 28nm production node. Maybe we will see 20nm refress later, but it seems to be too early to competative 20nm production at this moment. Ofcourse if the 600$ price is accurate, then is allso 20nm production node possible. Those 20nm chips are gonna be expensive in the beginning of production with that node. It allso means that some time in the future, there will be similar refresh like GHz edition was, when development in the production allows higher clocks!

This would mean low clock Hawaii ships in october, higher clock Nvidia chips in the spring and higher version Hawaii ships in the next year after the summer or near the next holiday season.
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August 25, 2013 1:37:42 PM

hannibal said:
Hmm... 600$ AMD card... It would be guite big change for AMD to make that expensive card,


So you not know about the 7990 then?
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August 25, 2013 6:48:11 PM

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/201308062348...

The story at videocardz is a bit off. Volume 20nm production starts in FEB at TSMC and another fab coming online for the same volume production in may.

So if you're pumping out volumes of maxwell in feb, you should be able to get cards out in march or so I guess. I really can't see anyone making another 28nm launch if it's after xmas. You are not going to make things go faster without pushing us up above 400w etc on a single card...LOL. You need a die shrink or any other launches are wasted and will gain next to nothing. I call any "NEXT GEN" that doesn't get 50% pointless. Next gen is supposed to be maxwell. You can't have anything but a re-spin on 28nm at this point. This has to be 20nm and if not they need to delay a few months to make sure it IS 20nm. I'd rather have 20nm in june if it's 28nm in march.

Edit: Maybe they'll release low end stuff on 28 and the higher end on 20 a few months later. It would be easier to figure this all out if we knew exactly how much TSMC production would be 20nm in Q1. But they don't offer that ;)  Also, if hawaii is any good, I guess they'd be forced to answer at 28nm like it or not. You can't just sit and let your enemy take market share.
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August 26, 2013 5:51:22 AM

Mousemonkey said:
hannibal said:
Hmm... 600$ AMD card... It would be guite big change for AMD to make that expensive card,


So you not know about the 7990 then?


It is two GPU core card, so guite common solution to AMD. :-) What I mean was that we see as small as possible GPU, so single GPU cards are most propably cheaper than that, but as i said 20nm production node can change that too... so it may actually cost that much in the beginning, if the binning is hard and you get guite few working chips.
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August 26, 2013 6:30:38 AM

hannibal said:
Mousemonkey said:
hannibal said:
Hmm... 600$ AMD card... It would be guite big change for AMD to make that expensive card,


So you not know about the 7990 then?


It is two GPU core card, so guite common solution to AMD. :-) What I mean was that we see as small as possible GPU, so single GPU cards are most propably cheaper than that, but as i said 20nm production node can change that too... so it may actually cost that much in the beginning, if the binning is hard and you get guite few working chips.


It also cost a lot more than $600 when released, big change huh?
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August 26, 2013 12:38:42 PM

i heard the rumors that AMD may not brand their hawaii cards as HD 9000 series cards
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