who is Jesus to you?
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kyle arn
August 26, 2013 2:05:04 PM
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August 26, 2013 2:35:36 PM
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dogman_1234
August 26, 2013 4:07:11 PM
gropouce
August 26, 2013 5:17:46 PM
musical marv
August 26, 2013 6:07:01 PM
wanamingo
August 27, 2013 5:11:38 AM
Jesus works in my neighborhood cutting grass and blowing away grass clippings. He's a hard worker, probably not legal, but I'd like to see him a legal citizen because of his work ethic. I'm not happy how he got hear, but then again I'm not happy how our gov't makes it difficult for immigrants to come here.
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kyle arn said:
What has Jesus done in your life? Who is Jesus to you? Are you close enough to say that you love him?What did Jesus do for me? The various Jesuses I know work in the meat packing plant, put on roofs, build houses, and mow lawns. I live at the edge of town and most of the Jesuses live downtown closer to work so they don't have to drive, because most of them can't get a license or register a car since they are here illegally. So I can't say I am too close to Jesus.
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dogman_1234
August 27, 2013 3:44:01 PM
Kid, (I think that is what you are at least to be safe,) many people have proselytized on here, nobody really cares.
We've had Muslims, Atheists, Jews( well maybe not,) Christians...yet, we all still believe in what we want.
I believe Jesus is my Lord and Saviour, but many disagree with me...and that is okay. I will believe what I want and I shall let them. it is not my job to convert them.
We've had Muslims, Atheists, Jews( well maybe not,) Christians...yet, we all still believe in what we want.
I believe Jesus is my Lord and Saviour, but many disagree with me...and that is okay. I will believe what I want and I shall let them. it is not my job to convert them.
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kyle arn
August 27, 2013 6:20:38 PM
kyle arn said:
I don't think any of you quiet understand. did i try to convert you. Know not at all. The question was What has Jesus Christ done for you? As for gropouce Jesus is alive. Now that you understand the question answer it but remember this is Jesus Christ we speak of.
My apologies, but I don't think you'll find many people here who will respond to you non-sarcastically.
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dogman_1234
August 27, 2013 11:02:04 PM
kyle arn said:
I don't think any of you quiet understand. did i try to convert you. Know not at all. The question was What has Jesus Christ done for you? As for gropouce Jesus is alive. Now that you understand the question answer it but remember this is Jesus Christ we speak of.
Brother, I admire your courage and faith; however, you must realise there are many here that will not speak of the good the Lord has done for us. It is a human condition. They have the freedom to say as they please. I pray you understand.
The Lord has blessed me in many ways. Family, a job, a great country with many a good people. Solace in His peace if I may say.
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gropouce
August 28, 2013 12:39:56 AM
kyle arn said:
I don't think any of you quiet understand. did i try to convert you. Know not at all. The question was What has Jesus Christ done for you? As for gropouce Jesus is alive. Now that you understand the question answer it but remember this is Jesus Christ we speak of.
You'll need to say a little more if you want us to have a conversation.
What allowed you to say that Jesus is not dead? Only say he is not would have been enough if we were 8 years old (and a half).
My answer to your question is quite simple. What Jesus has done for me? Nothing.
Because life is short and i don't want to waste my time, talking to someone who isn't here and asking him to help me as a little egocentric.
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wanamingo
August 28, 2013 5:22:23 AM
Christian? You mean you guys dont do blood sacrifice to Quetzalcoatl? Thats why your crops keep dieing.
As for Jesus being alive I think Arnold Swarzenegger sums it up best "If it bleeds, we can kill it", and kill it they certainly did. A lot of the new testament fan fic stuff showed JC dieing at the end...unless youre a Mormon then you'd think Jesus came to live with the Indians.
In all seriousness though Jesus is the ONLY good thing going for Christians. If you look at exactly what his writing staff gave him for lines they are all very... reasonable. He doesnt have an opinion on gays, doesnt support the wearing of silly golden clothes like Mr. Pope, and he preached alot of hippy stuff like peace and love. But his "Followers" have done some very bad things, and I think you could have the debate whether or not religion has been a net benefit or net loss.
As for Jesus being alive I think Arnold Swarzenegger sums it up best "If it bleeds, we can kill it", and kill it they certainly did. A lot of the new testament fan fic stuff showed JC dieing at the end...unless youre a Mormon then you'd think Jesus came to live with the Indians.
In all seriousness though Jesus is the ONLY good thing going for Christians. If you look at exactly what his writing staff gave him for lines they are all very... reasonable. He doesnt have an opinion on gays, doesnt support the wearing of silly golden clothes like Mr. Pope, and he preached alot of hippy stuff like peace and love. But his "Followers" have done some very bad things, and I think you could have the debate whether or not religion has been a net benefit or net loss.
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wanamingo said:
In all seriousness though Jesus is the ONLY good thing going for Christians. If you look at exactly what his writing staff gave him for lines they are all very... reasonable. He doesnt have an opinion on gays, doesnt support the wearing of silly golden clothes like Mr. Pope, and he preached alot of hippy stuff like peace and love. But his "Followers" have done some very bad things, and I think you could have the debate whether or not religion has been a net benefit or net loss.
On a serious note, this is a pretty salient point about religion. In general the principles espoused by most of the major religions are fine- be nice to other people, don't defraud others, don't get too full of yourself, you are responsible for your actions, etc. The problem is that organized religion tends to be quite problematic as it becomes a government of sorts, either de facto or literally. You get a lot of "us versus them" and a varying lack of tolerance/antagonism to people with other belief systems. That's where you get the cultural warfare (in non-theocracies like the U.S.) or actual fighting and warfare (in theocracies like in the Middle East and Africa.)
I think Mohandas Gandhi summed this up quite well:
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I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."Score
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chunkymonster
August 28, 2013 8:44:08 AM
MU_Engineer said:
On a serious note, this is a pretty salient point about religion. In general the principles espoused by most of the major religions are fine- be nice to other people, don't defraud others, don't get too full of yourself, you are responsible for your actions, etc. The problem is that organized religion tends to be quite problematic as it becomes a government of sorts, either de facto or literally. You get a lot of "us versus them" and a varying lack of tolerance/antagonism to people with other belief systems. That's where you get the cultural warfare (in non-theocracies like the U.S.) or actual fighting and warfare (in theocracies like in the Middle East and Africa.) I think Mohandas Gandhi summed this up quite well:
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I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."Well said! +1
I often notice people confusing the premise of religious teachings as found in the various sacred texts and the interpretation of those writings by organized religion. Man is fallible and bound to his ego and it is inherently difficult to resolve the ego with the behaviors demonstrated in the sacred texts.
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kyle arn
August 28, 2013 12:17:42 PM
kyle arn
August 28, 2013 12:36:23 PM
gropouce said:
kyle arn said:
I don't think any of you quiet understand. did i try to convert you. Know not at all. The question was What has Jesus Christ done for you? As for gropouce Jesus is alive. Now that you understand the question answer it but remember this is Jesus Christ we speak of.
You'll need to say a little more if you want us to have a conversation.
What allowed you to say that Jesus is not dead? Only say he is not would have been enough if we were 8 years old (and a half).
My answer to your question is quite simple. What Jesus has done for me? Nothing.
Because life is short and i don't want to waste my time, talking to someone who isn't here and asking him to help me as a little egocentric.
Sir i have two answers to what you just said.
What is wasting your life? What do you think happens when you die? do you sit there and rot forever? No that would be a waste. Go to the link it will explain what happened http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgpZsgvErGU
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kyle arn said:
gropouce said:
kyle arn said:
I don't think any of you quiet understand. did i try to convert you. Know not at all. The question was What has Jesus Christ done for you? As for gropouce Jesus is alive. Now that you understand the question answer it but remember this is Jesus Christ we speak of.
You'll need to say a little more if you want us to have a conversation.
What allowed you to say that Jesus is not dead? Only say he is not would have been enough if we were 8 years old (and a half).
My answer to your question is quite simple. What Jesus has done for me? Nothing.
Because life is short and i don't want to waste my time, talking to someone who isn't here and asking him to help me as a little egocentric.
Sir i have two answers to what you just said.
What is wasting your life? What do you think happens when you die? do you sit there and rot forever? No that would be a waste. Go to the link it will explain what happened http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgpZsgvErGU
Somebody's come back from the dead and the best that they can do is make a YT vid? How gullible do you have to be to swallow that!
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skit75
August 28, 2013 12:44:36 PM
Philosophy then:
I believe that it is OK, to not know. Some of us would like to believe but, know too much to consider faith. Most of us would like to know one way or the other and then there are those of us who could really care less about the whole thing as long as it doesn't involve us, too much.
We already surrender the fact that with so many legislators claiming beliefs that we are inevitably caught up and affected by other's beliefs on some level.
When you refuse to declare a belief in the armed forces, your dog-tag will read NORELPREF or No Religious Preference which I feel is under-represented in our government.
I believe that it is OK, to not know. Some of us would like to believe but, know too much to consider faith. Most of us would like to know one way or the other and then there are those of us who could really care less about the whole thing as long as it doesn't involve us, too much.
We already surrender the fact that with so many legislators claiming beliefs that we are inevitably caught up and affected by other's beliefs on some level.
When you refuse to declare a belief in the armed forces, your dog-tag will read NORELPREF or No Religious Preference which I feel is under-represented in our government.
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kyle arn
August 28, 2013 12:52:49 PM
All of you seem to think the same way? It is all about you don't get hurt. stay away from to much of anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgpZsgvErGU click the link it will explain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgpZsgvErGU click the link it will explain.
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skit75
August 28, 2013 2:08:11 PM
gropouce
August 28, 2013 2:17:41 PM
gropouce
August 28, 2013 2:17:44 PM
skit75
August 28, 2013 2:31:58 PM
kyle arn said:
All of you seem to think the same way? It is all about you don't get hurt. stay away from to much of anything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgpZsgvErGU click the link it will explain.
I guess you could label all of us cowards if that makes it easy for you. It doesn't improve the quality of this thread much or promote discussion but hey, it's your thread to railroad.
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kyle arn
August 28, 2013 8:49:44 PM
Then take a bracelet or a ring. With it put the bracelet/ring on your left hand. your left hand represents you. sin is anything against God. the bracelet/ring represents sin. if your left hand represents you then you must have sin on you. then take your right hand which represents Jesus Christ. And remove the bracelet/ring from your left hand. now sin is not there. you see when Jesus died for you he removed your sin from you. the greatest part of that story is Jesus rose again now we can live together in heaven which is achieved by. telling God you are wrong And asking for forgiveness and know Jesus is now lord of your life what he says goes. If you do not repent (tell God you are wrong). then sadly you will burn in hell. If you do not go to heaven it will not be because i did not warn you. REMEMBER YOUR CHOICE IS FOREVER.
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kyle arn said:
Then take a bracelet or a ring. With it put the bracelet/ring on your left hand. your left hand represents you. sin is anything against God. the bracelet/ring represents sin. if your left hand represents you then you must have sin on you. then take your right hand which represents Jesus Christ. And remove the bracelet/ring from your left hand. now sin is not there. you see when Jesus died for you he removed your sin from you. the greatest part of that story is Jesus rose again now we can live together in heaven which is achieved by. telling God you are wrong And asking for forgiveness and know Jesus is now lord of your life what he says goes. If you do not repent (tell God you are wrong). then sadly you will burn in hell. If you do not go to heaven it will not be because i did not warn you. REMEMBER YOUR CHOICE IS FOREVER. I don't wear rings or bracelets so by that logic I have never sinned, cool!
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gropouce
August 29, 2013 12:37:22 AM
Maybe this is what you need.
My position: i'm not a "sinner". i'm not a mormon either, but i'm not a thief, i'm not a killer, i'm not Oprah, so i don't think i need to be forgiven for anything.
But you?
how can you say your god will forgive you just because you remove your bracelet from your hand?
how can you say that your god don't have love and compassion for those who don't pray him and say they believe in his existence?
If your God is harsh with those who do not ask for forgiveness, how does he react with people who demonstrate enough sufficiency to tell others how they should manage their lives and what they should believe?
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indeed........
My position: i'm not a "sinner". i'm not a mormon either, but i'm not a thief, i'm not a killer, i'm not Oprah, so i don't think i need to be forgiven for anything.
But you?
how can you say your god will forgive you just because you remove your bracelet from your hand?
how can you say that your god don't have love and compassion for those who don't pray him and say they believe in his existence?
If your God is harsh with those who do not ask for forgiveness, how does he react with people who demonstrate enough sufficiency to tell others how they should manage their lives and what they should believe?
kyle arn said:
Then take a bracelet or a ring. With it put the bracelet/ring on your left hand. your left hand represents you. sin is anything against God. the bracelet/ring represents sin. if your left hand represents you then you must have sin on you. then take your right hand which represents Jesus Christ. ....
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wanamingo
August 29, 2013 5:33:12 AM
I like this quote from Marcus Aurelius:
This one hits home because its what all religion says be a good person, its simple dummy, you dont need zombie Jesus to be a good person.
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“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved" This one hits home because its what all religion says be a good person, its simple dummy, you dont need zombie Jesus to be a good person.
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kyle arn
August 29, 2013 6:03:46 AM
wanamingo
August 29, 2013 6:12:35 AM
gropouce
August 29, 2013 6:40:06 AM
Divyanshu Sah
August 29, 2013 6:50:05 AM
gropouce
August 29, 2013 7:02:02 AM
kyle arn
August 29, 2013 6:32:32 PM
I see so you believe that what is true for you is true for you. But what is true for me is true for me. Then if you believe this then answer this.
What is truth defined as? And if you define truth in your own standards how do we know your definition is true. what determines something is true? Is it by convincing everyone that your wright? No if that were the case evolution would be a scientific law. Something is true weather i say it is or not. I believe in everything the bible says. I believe this is true. For think of what it is it explains everything where as evolution may only explain nature. And not What i feel. If evolution were true i would likely not have any feelings. Think of everything Christianity may explain. For even you cannot explain where we go when we die.
What is truth defined as? And if you define truth in your own standards how do we know your definition is true. what determines something is true? Is it by convincing everyone that your wright? No if that were the case evolution would be a scientific law. Something is true weather i say it is or not. I believe in everything the bible says. I believe this is true. For think of what it is it explains everything where as evolution may only explain nature. And not What i feel. If evolution were true i would likely not have any feelings. Think of everything Christianity may explain. For even you cannot explain where we go when we die.
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gropouce
August 30, 2013 12:15:34 AM
kyle arn said:
I see so you believe that what is true for you is true for you. But what is true for me is true for me. Then if you believe this then answer this.Euuh... yes... what is true is true... yes.
I even venture to say that what is wrong is wrong.
kyle arn said:
What is truth defined as? And if you define truth in your own standards how do we know your definition is true. what determines something is true? Is it by convincing everyone that your wright? No if that were the case evolution would be a scientific law. Something is true weather i say it is or not. I believe in everything the bible says. I believe this is true. For think of what it is it explains everything where as evolution may only explain nature. And not What i feel. If evolution were true i would likely not have any feelings. Think of everything Christianity may explain. For even you cannot explain where we go when we die.
You're asking too much definitions, man.
Maybe you should try the dictionary... i'm afraid you ask me more definitions if i answer to you.
But let's try.
In my language, the word truth comes from Latin verus. It represents what is true in the "real" meaning.
The truth is the adequacy between what is real and judgment contained in the proposal. This is validated by experience.
But we can also talk about truth validated by deductions starting from postulates and axioms admitted. This truth does not depend on experience.
But I quite like the idea of Kant on the subject and his theory of knowledge explained in "Critique of Pure Reason" with the criticism.
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wanamingo
August 30, 2013 6:49:45 AM
I think Gropouce summed it up pretty well but ill ad one or two things.
Kyle do you literally believe everything in the bible? Not just the stories and meaning but do you think God made wimin out of Adams rib (which is really funny if you think about it, God makes everything out of nothing but Adam, bro, Im gonna need your rib for one last thing), or that if you have no testicles you wont get into heaven? Or that owning and raping slaves is okay?
A great David Cross joke that rings true.
"Back when the Bible was written...then edited...then rewritten, then rewritten, then re-edited, then translated from dead languages, then re-translated, then edited, then rewritten, then given to kings for them to take their favorite parts, then rewritten, then re-rewritten, then translated again, then given to the pope for him to approve, then rewritten, then edited again, the re-re-re-re-rewritten again...all based on stories that were told orally...30 to 90 years AFTER they happened...to people who didn't know how to write...so...."
Kyle do you literally believe everything in the bible? Not just the stories and meaning but do you think God made wimin out of Adams rib (which is really funny if you think about it, God makes everything out of nothing but Adam, bro, Im gonna need your rib for one last thing), or that if you have no testicles you wont get into heaven? Or that owning and raping slaves is okay?
A great David Cross joke that rings true.
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"Back when the Bible was written...then edited...then rewritten, then rewritten, then re-edited, then translated from dead languages, then re-translated, then edited, then rewritten, then given to kings for them to take their favorite parts, then rewritten, then re-rewritten, then translated again, then given to the pope for him to approve, then rewritten, then edited again, the re-re-re-re-rewritten again...all based on stories that were told orally...30 to 90 years AFTER they happened...to people who didn't know how to write...so...."
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wanamingo said:
I think Gropouce summed it up pretty well but ill ad one or two things. Kyle do you literally believe everything in the bible? Not just the stories and meaning but do you think God made wimin out of Adams rib (which is really funny if you think about it, God makes everything out of nothing but Adam, bro, Im gonna need your rib for one last thing), or that if you have no testicles you wont get into heaven? Or that owning and raping slaves is okay?
A great David Cross joke that rings true.
Quote:
"Back when the Bible was written...then edited...then rewritten, then rewritten, then re-edited, then translated from dead languages, then re-translated, then edited, then rewritten, then given to kings for them to take their favorite parts, then rewritten, then re-rewritten, then translated again, then given to the pope for him to approve, then rewritten, then edited again, the re-re-re-re-rewritten again...all based on stories that were told orally...30 to 90 years AFTER they happened...to people who didn't know how to write...so...."
If Adam and Eve were the first and only humans were did their children (Kane and Able) get their wives from?
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dogman_1234
August 30, 2013 1:23:36 PM
Mousemonkey said:
wanamingo said:
I think Gropouce summed it up pretty well but ill ad one or two things. Kyle do you literally believe everything in the bible? Not just the stories and meaning but do you think God made wimin out of Adams rib (which is really funny if you think about it, God makes everything out of nothing but Adam, bro, Im gonna need your rib for one last thing), or that if you have no testicles you wont get into heaven? Or that owning and raping slaves is okay?
A great David Cross joke that rings true.
Quote:
"Back when the Bible was written...then edited...then rewritten, then rewritten, then re-edited, then translated from dead languages, then re-translated, then edited, then rewritten, then given to kings for them to take their favorite parts, then rewritten, then re-rewritten, then translated again, then given to the pope for him to approve, then rewritten, then edited again, the re-re-re-re-rewritten again...all based on stories that were told orally...30 to 90 years AFTER they happened...to people who didn't know how to write...so...."
If Adam and Eve were the first and only humans were did their children (Kane and Able) get their wives from?
Aliens!
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anort3 said:
Mousemonkey said:
wanamingo said:
I think Gropouce summed it up pretty well but ill ad one or two things. Kyle do you literally believe everything in the bible? Not just the stories and meaning but do you think God made wimin out of Adams rib (which is really funny if you think about it, God makes everything out of nothing but Adam, bro, Im gonna need your rib for one last thing), or that if you have no testicles you wont get into heaven? Or that owning and raping slaves is okay?
A great David Cross joke that rings true.
Quote:
"Back when the Bible was written...then edited...then rewritten, then rewritten, then re-edited, then translated from dead languages, then re-translated, then edited, then rewritten, then given to kings for them to take their favorite parts, then rewritten, then re-rewritten, then translated again, then given to the pope for him to approve, then rewritten, then edited again, the re-re-re-re-rewritten again...all based on stories that were told orally...30 to 90 years AFTER they happened...to people who didn't know how to write...so...."
If Adam and Eve were the first and only humans were did their children (Kane and Able) get their wives from?
Aliens!
Spooky! That's what I've always thought was the basis for most if not all religions!
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skit75
August 30, 2013 4:19:46 PM
I guess that means aliens have visited here within the last 6000 years? Doubtful....... because we are still here. Any being capable of that kind of travel would have put us out of our misery.
The language spoken the most on this planet is Mandarin. The world's language of business, is English. The language of the universe is mathematics. It amazes me how so many people can ascribe to stories made of prophets, deities & Gods but refuse to acknowledge a number greater than 6000.
The language spoken the most on this planet is Mandarin. The world's language of business, is English. The language of the universe is mathematics. It amazes me how so many people can ascribe to stories made of prophets, deities & Gods but refuse to acknowledge a number greater than 6000.
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musical marv
August 30, 2013 5:45:29 PM
Oldmangamer_73 said:
musical marv said:
kyle arn said:
What has Jesus done in your life? Who is Jesus to you? Are you close enough to say that you love him?This is the News & Leisure section which includes religions if i'm not mistaken.
Please don't ban me for telling the truth. Again. Please?
Yes, it is the "Religion and Politics" section. Essentially all of the things you don't talk about in polite company, or the things that dominate the AM radio spectrum
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kyle arn
August 31, 2013 12:07:19 PM
Mousemonkey said:
wanamingo said:
I think Gropouce summed it up pretty well but ill ad one or two things. Kyle do you literally believe everything in the bible? Not just the stories and meaning but do you think God made wimin out of Adams rib (which is really funny if you think about it, God makes everything out of nothing but Adam, bro, Im gonna need your rib for one last thing), or that if you have no testicles you wont get into heaven? Or that owning and raping slaves is okay?
A great David Cross joke that rings true.
Quote:
"Back when the Bible was written...then edited...then rewritten, then rewritten, then re-edited, then translated from dead languages, then re-translated, then edited, then rewritten, then given to kings for them to take their favorite parts, then rewritten, then re-rewritten, then translated again, then given to the pope for him to approve, then rewritten, then edited again, the re-re-re-re-rewritten again...all based on stories that were told orally...30 to 90 years AFTER they happened...to people who didn't know how to write...so...."
If Adam and Eve were the first and only humans were did their children (Kane and Able) get their wives from?
That's is a very simple answer. Obviously Adam and eve were the first people on earth. So where did Cain and able gets their wives? Because in the time of Adam and eve there were no restrictions on not marrying a family member. And so Cain and Abel had you know what with their sisters. Those rules became rules when the Hebrews left Egypt and to go to the promised land.That is many many many years after Adam and eve. Also your history is a bit veg.
Chapter 18
1 And the Lord said to Moses, 2 Say to the children of Israel, I am the Lord your God. 3 You may not do those things which were done in the land of Egypt where you were living; and you may not do those things which are done in the land of Canaan where I am taking you, or be guided in your behaviour by their rules. 4 But you are to be guided by my decisions and keep my rules, and be guided by them: I am the Lord your God. 5 So keep my rules and my decisions, which, if a man does them, will be life to him: I am the Lord. 6 You may not have sex connection with anyone who is a near relation: I am the Lord. 7 You may not have sex relations with your father or your mother: she is your mother, you may not take her. 8 And you may not have sex relations with your father's wife: she is your father's. 9 You may not take your sister, the daughter of your father or of your mother, wherever her birth took place, among you or in another country. 10 You may not have sex relations with your son's daughter or your daughter's daughter, for they are part of yourself; 11 Or your father's wife's daughter, the child of your father, for she is your sister. 12 You may not have sex connection with your father's sister, for she is your father's near relation. 13 You may not have sex connection with your mother's sister, for she is your mother's near relation. 14 You may not have sex relations with the wife of your father's brother, for she is of your family; 15 Or with your daughter-in-law, for she is your son's wife, and you may not take her. 16 You may not have sex relations with your brother's wife, for she is your brother's. 17 You may not take as wife a woman and her daughter, or her son's daughter or her daughter's daughter, for they are of one family: it is an act of shame.
Lev 18:1-17 (BBE)
Where do you get your answers For something that you don't even read?
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