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August 26, 2013 8:02:14 PM

My 670 will hold me just fine until I can get a dual 20nm card...
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August 26, 2013 8:20:19 PM

A dual-GPU card was on of the last things 3Dfx created before their implosion.
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August 26, 2013 8:44:15 PM

dual GPU card is a waste of time. Most people who can afford a dual GPU card already have a motherboard that can support SLI/crossfire @ PCIE full speed. 2 cards are faster.

People who want to build a small powerful HTPC is one of the smallest market.

So it really doesnt make sense at all.
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August 26, 2013 8:48:32 PM

They really shafted the early Titan buyers. Also 800 series quarter 1? Really?
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August 26, 2013 9:12:11 PM

It will definitely be interesting to see what both camps have in store for Q1 2014. Though I would much rather see the 20nm dies in Q2 2014 then this silly numbers game - higher number, it must be "gooder" - especially from nVidia; as they can easily stay competitive with their 700 series line, as AMD's new line of cards (from what I have read so far) is mainly focusing on increased power efficiency and less on increasing performance - though I'm sure there will be some of that too.
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August 26, 2013 9:27:17 PM

800 series already? I don't know if I want to be mad at nVidia or happy. One the ones side it just seems ridiculous to release so soon after you released a new series. This will probably slow sales of your 700 series and piss off people who just bought this series. But on the other hand I like seeing a company that will introduce a new prodcut (even if on the same technology) that improves on the previous even if it was just released. That kind of shows they actually care about having the best product instead of just trying to milk as much as they cand from a generation of cards.
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August 26, 2013 9:50:19 PM

How about releasing some sort of poor-mans card? Or lowering the prices? Not every gamer has deep pockets.
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August 26, 2013 10:58:43 PM

John Bauer said:
How about releasing some sort of poor-mans card? Or lowering the prices? Not every gamer has deep pockets.


17seconds said:
... And also from the same report at Videocardz.com dated August 21, 2013, Nvidia will be releasing a series of new mid-range graphics cards. within the GTX 700 Ti family
http://videocardz.com/45403/nvidia-to-launch-more-cards...
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August 27, 2013 12:10:19 AM

tomfreak said:
dual GPU card is a waste of time. Most people who can afford a dual GPU card already have a motherboard that can support SLI/crossfire @ PCIE full speed. 2 cards are faster.

People who want to build a small powerful HTPC is one of the smallest market.

So it really doesnt make sense at all.


Mini-ITX and Micro ATX has had an explosive growth in the past two years, especially because of the Prodigy case. I have two friends working etail here in Norway and both of them said the BitFenix Prodigy was the most sold case since last summer, and that mini-ITX motherboards had a boom in august - december last year. Reason I asked them about this is because I have a Prodigy myself by the way. And so does one of them.

I think ATX and up is mostly going to just keep dwindling now, SLi / Xfire adds so little that even bleeding edge enthusiasts are tempted by smaller form factors.

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August 27, 2013 12:28:37 AM

Interesting to see people complain about the 800 series, when the 700 series cards are mostly overclocked 600 series cards. Except the 780, which costs $$$
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August 27, 2013 12:49:13 AM

Interested to see if the GTX 790 will have twice cores of GTX 780 or somewhat less like 3456 ( GTX 760x2 = GTX 780 , so made it that way ) I would love a GTX 785 with 3456 CUDA Core , GTX 790 with 4608 CUDA Cores and something above. Then the GTX 785 will probably be the best choice for at a 800-850 tag for reference. Would be shell shocked if the GTX 790 will have 4608 cores and still be under 1000 as the GK 110 chip anyways will need better cooling and a tough PCB.
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August 27, 2013 1:28:22 AM

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A dual-GPU card was on of the last things 3Dfx created before their implosion.

It was also like the second thing they created, ever hear of the Voodoo2? :p  Your point?
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August 27, 2013 1:40:50 AM

"TSMC won't be ready for 20 nm lithography until June 2014"
TSMC themselves have said that they are ahead on volume shipment on 20 nm. They will have revenue shipping of 20 nm Q4 2013.

The fact that TSMC have installed 20nm ahead of time is because of they have a huge revenue customer. Journalists think its Qualcomm/AMD and/or Nvidia. I personally believe its Apple. Apple have an insane need of wafers. They need about 80K wafer starts per month! That is a complete line 24/7.

I love how tech-press just writes stuff without basic source checking.

More of a rumour: Maxwell drivers have been in OSX since June 2013. Logically this means that Nvidia have samples of Maxwell. Its hard writing drivers without silicon. This fit exactly with TSMC/normal tapeout times. With no bugs we will see retail products 6 months after first silicon. Each respin to the silicon ads 3 weeks. Usually a new Nvidia chip needs 2 respins. And if Nvidia is "crazy", they could order risk wafers like they did with the first Fermi. This would deduct 3 month of developing time.
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August 27, 2013 1:42:59 AM

"dual GPU card is a waste of time. Most people who can afford a dual GPU card already have a motherboard that can support SLI/crossfire @ PCIE full speed. 2 cards are faster.

People who want to build a small powerful HTPC is one of the smallest market.

So it really doesnt make sense at all."

1) Space
2) dual cards have better cooling
3) Usually a bit cheaper then 2 single cards
4) Upgradability: Add another dual card
5) Convenience. Just add 1 card instead of 2.

There are a ton of reason why someone would want a dual card.
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August 27, 2013 3:48:41 AM

Whats funny is how far ahead the PC in resolution is compared to consoles. Yet the PC games are given less resources then the consoles. I suspect that the PC gamers are subsidizing the consoles. The development here is slow and lazy.
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August 27, 2013 3:59:28 AM

I wish they would make dual GPU cards in the mid-range. Throw two 760's on one chip, and sell it at a reasonable price. Or two 7870's on one card. That would be awesome
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August 27, 2013 5:04:07 AM

I know what Ultra stamp brings on GPUs ... ultra hot running temp.

icemunk said:
I wish they would make dual GPU cards in the mid-range. Throw two 760's on one chip, and sell it at a reasonable price. Or two 7870's on one card. That would be awesome



It's not viable right now because there is decent step in from mid to high end.
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August 27, 2013 5:47:30 AM

Nvidia should stop all development on graphics cards until they get their current drivers working properly. 326.80 solved my 36 hour glitch, but now I'm getting BSOD at least once a day.
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August 27, 2013 6:45:51 AM

Grandmastersexsay said:
Nvidia should stop all development on graphics cards until they get their current drivers working properly. 326.80 solved my 36 hour glitch, but now I'm getting BSOD at least once a day.


First, these are beta drivers. What game are you getting a BSOD with? Did you contact Nvidia?

I haven't had any issues with my 780s.

Have you tried backing out to prod release drivers (320.49)?
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August 27, 2013 7:37:49 AM

Ya the 7 series was a huge let down. I ended up purchasing another gtx680 off ebay for $200. I blame AMD because Nvidia had no drive. Gtx titan and gtx780 were mid and lower end cards such as gtx670 and gtx660. The ultra was to be the gtx680ish high end card of the 700 series. But AMD didnt release shit. So we got Refresh and overpriced s***
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August 27, 2013 8:15:30 AM

We are approaching 4K at a much faster rate than I expected and I'm still running a gtx 570 @ 1080P... I guess I'm a plebeian these days
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August 27, 2013 8:25:37 AM

Im with DarkSable... my 670 is still maxing out almost every game graphically. If I was going to blow $1000+ I'd be putting it toward some cool night vision goggles or a new rifle or something else that I could get way more use out of for the next 2 or 3 years than a video card that's overpowered for the market its in.
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August 27, 2013 8:47:48 AM

ubercake said:
Grandmastersexsay said:
Nvidia should stop all development on graphics cards until they get their current drivers working properly. 326.80 solved my 36 hour glitch, but now I'm getting BSOD at least once a day.


First, these are beta drivers. What game are you getting a BSOD with? Did you contact Nvidia?

I haven't had any issues with my 780s.

Have you tried backing out to prod release drivers (320.49)?


With the stable release drivers, my GTX 780 had the 36 hour glitch, so I was forced to restart every 24 hours.

The BSOD happens randomly. Sometimes under load, sometimes at idle. I did not have this issue before the installation of their beta drivers.

This is the kind of crap you should never have to deal with from such an expensive card.
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August 27, 2013 8:52:49 AM

shin0bi272 said:
Im with DarkSable... my 670 is still maxing out almost every game graphically. If I was going to blow $1000+ I'd be putting it toward some cool night vision goggles or a new rifle or something else that I could get way more use out of for the next 2 or 3 years than a video card that's overpowered for the market its in.


Maxing out? I suppose for your single monitor. Try that with just three 1080p monitors, which is on the low end for people paying $1k for a graphics card.
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August 27, 2013 9:17:20 AM

gsxrme said:
Ya the 7 series was a huge let down. I ended up purchasing another gtx680 off ebay for $200. I blame AMD because Nvidia had no drive. Gtx titan and gtx780 were mid and lower end cards such as gtx670 and gtx660. The ultra was to be the gtx680ish high end card of the 700 series. But AMD didnt release shit. So we got Refresh and overpriced s***


Grandmastersexsay said:
ubercake said:
Grandmastersexsay said:
Nvidia should stop all development on graphics cards until they get their current drivers working properly. 326.80 solved my 36 hour glitch, but now I'm getting BSOD at least once a day.


First, these are beta drivers. What game are you getting a BSOD with? Did you contact Nvidia?

I haven't had any issues with my 780s.

Have you tried backing out to prod release drivers (320.49)?


With the stable release drivers, my GTX 780 had the 36 hour glitch, so I was forced to restart every 24 hours.

The BSOD happens randomly. Sometimes under load, sometimes at idle. I did not have this issue before the installation of their beta drivers.

This is the kind of crap you should never have to deal with from such an expensive card.

I definitely agree there, though I didn't have the problem myself or possibly didn't observe it if I had. I did find it a little peculiar that there were three beta releases within close temporal proximity of each other compared to previous beta release schedules.

The bad part is, if Nvidia starts consistently screwing up their drivers, we may as well all buy consoles (somehow these AMDs won't have microstutter on the consoles) because the alternative is even worse for the PC- AMD. Try rolling with AMD driver releases. They're what pushed me to Nvidia cards. You'll deal with far worse issues than having to reboot your PC each day.

I hope AMD truly picks it up and someone documents it. I would consider going back. I like to have choices, but don't currently see AMD GPUs as a real choice.
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August 27, 2013 9:20:41 AM

Grandmastersexsay said:
Nvidia should stop all development on graphics cards until they get their current drivers working properly. 326.80 solved my 36 hour glitch, but now I'm getting BSOD at least once a day.


Well my 660Ti's are on that driver and they run at full load 24/7 folding and before a reboot yesterday (Origin update) the rig had done nearly five days straight, sounds like your issue is being caused by something else.
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August 27, 2013 9:28:28 AM

We are approaching 4K at a much faster rate than I expected and I'm still running a gtx 570 @ 1080P... I guess I'm a plebeian these days
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August 27, 2013 9:29:34 AM

Mousemonkey said:
Grandmastersexsay said:
Nvidia should stop all development on graphics cards until they get their current drivers working properly. 326.80 solved my 36 hour glitch, but now I'm getting BSOD at least once a day.


Well my 660Ti's are on that driver and they run at full load 24/7 folding and before a reboot yesterday (Origin update) the rig had done nearly five days straight, sounds like your issue is being caused by something else.

That's what I'm thinking. I never heard of some 36-hour glitch before this guy mentioned it, but I hate to just say it doesn't exist because that's what the people used to do to me on the AMD forums when I'd tell them about my flickery screen with my 5850s (the thing that solved my problem was buying some GTX 580s). I'm not getting any BSODs in any games, myself.

Grandmastersexsay, have you tried a different video card? The 700 series hasn't been out a year and should be under manufacturer's warranty. I'd start with an RMA. If that doesn't fix your situation, I'd start looking at your other hardware.
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August 27, 2013 9:30:34 AM

We are approaching 4K at a much faster rate than I expected and I'm still running a gtx 570 @ 1080P... I guess I'm a plebeian these days
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August 27, 2013 9:42:53 AM

ubercake said:
Mousemonkey said:
Grandmastersexsay said:
Nvidia should stop all development on graphics cards until they get their current drivers working properly. 326.80 solved my 36 hour glitch, but now I'm getting BSOD at least once a day.


Well my 660Ti's are on that driver and they run at full load 24/7 folding and before a reboot yesterday (Origin update) the rig had done nearly five days straight, sounds like your issue is being caused by something else.

That's what I'm thinking. I never heard of some 36-hour glitch before this guy mentioned it, but I hate to just say it doesn't exist because that's what the people used to do to me on the AMD forums when I'd tell them about my flickery screen with my 5850s (the thing that solved my problem was buying some GTX 580s). I'm not getting any BSODs in any games, myself.

Grandmastersexsay, have you tried a different video card? The 700 series hasn't been out a year and should be under manufacturer's warranty. I'd start with an RMA. If that doesn't fix your situation, I'd start looking at your other hardware.


It might be something else. It's always hard to tell for sure, but I think it is all video driver related.


The 36 hour glitch is real. These beta drivers list it as one of the fixes in the release notes. If you are interested you can read up on the 36 hour glitch here.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/549618/geforce...


I had driver issues with a GTS 480 for over a year before Nvidia actually came out with something stable. I guess if stability sold as well as speed, I wouldn't have these problems.
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August 27, 2013 9:47:05 AM

Grandmastersexsay said:
ubercake said:
Mousemonkey said:
Grandmastersexsay said:
Nvidia should stop all development on graphics cards until they get their current drivers working properly. 326.80 solved my 36 hour glitch, but now I'm getting BSOD at least once a day.


Well my 660Ti's are on that driver and they run at full load 24/7 folding and before a reboot yesterday (Origin update) the rig had done nearly five days straight, sounds like your issue is being caused by something else.

That's what I'm thinking. I never heard of some 36-hour glitch before this guy mentioned it, but I hate to just say it doesn't exist because that's what the people used to do to me on the AMD forums when I'd tell them about my flickery screen with my 5850s (the thing that solved my problem was buying some GTX 580s). I'm not getting any BSODs in any games, myself.

Grandmastersexsay, have you tried a different video card? The 700 series hasn't been out a year and should be under manufacturer's warranty. I'd start with an RMA. If that doesn't fix your situation, I'd start looking at your other hardware.


It might be something else. It's always hard to tell for sure, but I think it is all video driver related.


The 36 hour glitch is real. These beta drivers list it as one of the fixes in the release notes. If you are interested you can read up on the 36 hour glitch here.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/549618/geforce...


I had driver issues with a GTS 480 for over a year before Nvidia actually came out with something stable. I guess if stability sold as well as speed, I wouldn't have these problems.


That's not a link to any release notes.
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August 27, 2013 10:37:42 AM

Mousemonkey said:
Grandmastersexsay said:
ubercake said:
Mousemonkey said:
Grandmastersexsay said:
Nvidia should stop all development on graphics cards until they get their current drivers working properly. 326.80 solved my 36 hour glitch, but now I'm getting BSOD at least once a day.


Well my 660Ti's are on that driver and they run at full load 24/7 folding and before a reboot yesterday (Origin update) the rig had done nearly five days straight, sounds like your issue is being caused by something else.

That's what I'm thinking. I never heard of some 36-hour glitch before this guy mentioned it, but I hate to just say it doesn't exist because that's what the people used to do to me on the AMD forums when I'd tell them about my flickery screen with my 5850s (the thing that solved my problem was buying some GTX 580s). I'm not getting any BSODs in any games, myself.

Grandmastersexsay, have you tried a different video card? The 700 series hasn't been out a year and should be under manufacturer's warranty. I'd start with an RMA. If that doesn't fix your situation, I'd start looking at your other hardware.


It might be something else. It's always hard to tell for sure, but I think it is all video driver related.


The 36 hour glitch is real. These beta drivers list it as one of the fixes in the release notes. If you are interested you can read up on the 36 hour glitch here.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/549618/geforce...


I had driver issues with a GTS 480 for over a year before Nvidia actually came out with something stable. I guess if stability sold as well as speed, I wouldn't have these problems.


That's not a link to any release notes.


I never said it was. I said this is where you can learn about the 36 hour glitch. Here is the link to the release notes.

http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/326.80/326.80-win...

The 36 hour glitch is mentioned with this note on page 14.

"TDR error may occur when the system is idle for several hours.[1330455]"
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August 27, 2013 10:43:56 AM

I don't see how "several" translates to 36 and it says it's been fixed not introduced! :lol: 
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August 27, 2013 11:17:01 AM

One thing Nvidia once promised us that I've yet to see is the Nvidia video capture capabilities. I thought that would be a cool feature. It was supposed to be released with the drivers by which 700 series cards and above would utilize the GPU hardware to encode to highly compressed video while playing games. No one is talking about that any more. Anyone know what happened to that whole effort?
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August 27, 2013 11:31:14 AM

ubercake said:
One thing Nvidia once promised us that I've yet to see is the Nvidia video capture capabilities. I thought that would be a cool feature. It was supposed to be released with the drivers by which 700 series cards and above would utilize the GPU hardware to encode to highly compressed video while playing games. No one is talking about that any more. Anyone know what happened to that whole effort?


Shadowplay was due to be released "Summer 2013". The latest word is that it is coming "soon", with no official release date planned as of yet. I wouldn't expect it to drag on for much longer, but there's only 3 weeks left of Summer 2013.
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August 27, 2013 11:39:08 AM

17seconds said:
ubercake said:
One thing Nvidia once promised us that I've yet to see is the Nvidia video capture capabilities. I thought that would be a cool feature. It was supposed to be released with the drivers by which 700 series cards and above would utilize the GPU hardware to encode to highly compressed video while playing games. No one is talking about that any more. Anyone know what happened to that whole effort?


Shadowplay was due to be released "Summer 2013". The latest word is that it is coming "soon", with no official release date planned as of yet. I wouldn't expect it to drag on for much longer, but there's only 3 weeks left of Summer 2013.

I couldn't remember the name of the feature. Thanks.

I've never been one to record my gaming sessions, but I definitely will once this is released.
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August 27, 2013 11:43:51 AM

SKYTML, the editor at Hardware Canucks, reported a ~2% performance hit in his testing of the Shadowplay pre-release press version.
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August 27, 2013 11:47:14 AM

What's the hit from FRAPS and Afterburner?
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August 27, 2013 12:14:05 PM

17seconds said:
SKYTML, the editor at Hardware Canucks, reported a ~2% performance hit in his testing of the Shadowplay pre-release press version.

Wow. That's nothing. I'll need to get a big drive for my recordings.

I hope they still plan to release it. There's seems to be less info about shadowplay on the Geforce site than there was four or five months ago.
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August 27, 2013 12:15:15 PM

295? I had two of those BUT, Uh, did you forget the 590? I still have one and don't plan to upgrade until the 800 series. Till then I'm still doing fine.
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August 27, 2013 12:34:27 PM

Graphic card companies need 4K monitors to the market at reasonable price... Any cards from 500 or 5000 series can run 1080p at reasonable speed. Ofcourse there are situations where 780 is the deal, but not many at this moment.
Interesting to see how that 20nm production develops. If I don't remember correctly the 32nm and 28nm prosesses were allso suposed to be just fine...
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August 27, 2013 3:34:25 PM

Ya the 7 series was a huge let down. I ended up purchasing another gtx680 off ebay for $200. I blame AMD because Nvidia had no drive. Gtx titan and gtx780 were mid and lower end cards such as gtx670 and gtx660. The ultra was to be the gtx680ish high end card of the 700 series. But AMD didnt release shit. So we got Refresh and overpriced s***
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August 27, 2013 4:34:27 PM

gsxrme said:
Ya the 7 series was a huge let down. I ended up purchasing another gtx680 off ebay for $200. I blame AMD because Nvidia had no drive. Gtx titan and gtx780 were mid and lower end cards such as gtx670 and gtx660. The ultra was to be the gtx680ish high end card of the 700 series. But AMD didnt release shit. So we got Refresh and overpriced s***


And you found it necessary to double post that because.... ?

But seriously, I hear where you're coming from. If the new 9970 is shooting for Titan/GTX 780 performance, then that means the GK110 chip was actually two generations ahead of AMD when it was first created in 2012. No wonder Nvidia felt little pressure to release their true top-end chip, the competitive pressure just wasn't there. Finally, at the end of 2013, I'm looking forward some competition to drop the price on those GK110 chips.
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August 27, 2013 8:04:27 PM

Also doubles as a heater!
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August 27, 2013 9:24:46 PM

Gtx 670 was my best investment till Maxwell Gpu's are out !
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August 27, 2013 9:24:49 PM

Gtx 670 was my best investment till Maxwell Gpu's are out !
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August 28, 2013 12:20:33 AM

Still happy with my 4 years old 5850..:D 
Gaming @1440x900 is not bad..still can run almost any game at ultra setting..except two of you know what..:D 
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August 28, 2013 5:05:34 AM

Quaddro said:
Still happy with my 4 years old 5850..:D 
Gaming @1440x900 is not bad..still can run almost any game at ultra setting..except two of you know what..:D 


Im pretty sure I will not be upgrading again until I see gtx 780 speeds at a 300 price point.
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