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September 4, 2013 8:08:30 AM

Hey guys, for my first ever rate request, I wanted to build the best gaming PC that's super fast, and yet fits a budget of no more than $1.5k :D 
What do you guys think? :p 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1zT5N
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1zT5N/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1zT5N/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Extreme9 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($187.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung EVO 1TB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($629.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: CoolMax 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1430.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-04 11:02 EDT-0400)

[p.s. I intend to overclock the AMD processor and graphics to their respective maximum stable hertz if I can ;) ]


a b À AMD
September 4, 2013 8:25:18 AM

Why do you need a 1tb SSD that is $700? Half your budget on 1 drive, total waste.
September 4, 2013 8:27:27 AM

This will be much faster.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1zTqG
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1zTqG/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1zTqG/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($73.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($148.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($76.50 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($649.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1485.41
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-04 11:27 EDT-0400)
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September 4, 2013 8:34:31 AM

socialassassin said:
This will be much faster.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1zTqG
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1zTqG/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1zTqG/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($73.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($148.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($76.50 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($649.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1485.41
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-04 11:27 EDT-0400)


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This will be so, so much faster than the original one.
September 4, 2013 8:42:11 AM

socialassassin said:
This will be much faster.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1zTqG
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1zTqG/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1zTqG/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($73.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($148.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($76.50 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($649.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1485.41
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-04 11:27 EDT-0400)


@getochkn: If you're wondering why so large an SSD, it's cause I have well over 2 dozen games (and counting...), almost half of which are in the two-digit GB range :p 
@socialassassin: What proven advantages does the i5 4670k CPU + GTX 780 graphics have over the AMD FX-8350 + Radeon HD 7850 2GB OC combo?


September 4, 2013 8:46:40 AM

I think this is the best system you can get


PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1zTHM
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1zTHM/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1zTHM/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($334.96 @ Outlet PC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($73.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme6/ac ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($208.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card ($469.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master HAF XM (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: OCZ ZS 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($117.13 @ TigerDirect)
Total: $1554.50
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-04 11:46 EDT-0400)
a b À AMD
September 4, 2013 8:46:40 AM

Games on an SSD are going to offer next to no benefit than a traditional drive. Get a SSD for OS, and a big drive for games. You won't notice any difference playing a game from an SSD than a normal HD. It may load a second fast for a map, but that's about it. Windows 7/8 caching does a good job at caching stuff too, so once you play a map, windows will cache it to RAM anyways and load it faster than a SSD would. Total waste for no real-world benefit.
September 4, 2013 8:50:21 AM

ScourgEnigma said:
@getochkn: If you're wondering why so large an SSD, it's cause I have well over 2 dozen games (and counting...), almost half of which are in the two-digit GB range :p 
@socialassassin: What proven advantages does the i5 4670k CPU + GTX 780 graphics have over the AMD FX-8350 + Radeon HD 7850 2GB OC combo?


Even 30 games at 15GB each will only take 450GB of space. $700 is a LOT to spend on storage, especially when you can spend that money on a faster GPU.

The i5 4670k + 780 is SO much faster than the AMD processor and a 7850. For a start, the AMD processor isn't nearly as good, in almost every way. The 780 is essentially a Titan; overclock it a bit and you've got a £1000 graphics card for nearly half the price. The 780 is the top of the range in the 7xx series from Nvidia, the 7850 is the middle range of the AMD 7xxx cards.
September 4, 2013 9:30:35 AM

houldendub said:
ScourgEnigma said:
@getochkn: If you're wondering why so large an SSD, it's cause I have well over 2 dozen games (and counting...), almost half of which are in the two-digit GB range :p 
@socialassassin: What proven advantages does the i5 4670k CPU + GTX 780 graphics have over the AMD FX-8350 + Radeon HD 7850 2GB OC combo?


Even 30 games at 15GB each will only take 450GB of space. $700 is a LOT to spend on storage, especially when you can spend that money on a faster GPU.

The i5 4670k + 780 is SO much faster than the AMD processor and a 7850. For a start, the AMD processor isn't nearly as good, in almost every way. The 780 is essentially a Titan; overclock it a bit and you've got a £1000 graphics card for nearly half the price. The 780 is the top of the range in the 7xx series from Nvidia, the 7850 is the middle range of the AMD 7xxx cards.


Even if both are OC'ed to the same hertz, the titan still has more memory and cuda cores, thus for faster processing.. The only way 780 could match a titan would be to OC at near in-stable levels, which would fry a 780 in a few months if I ever took one.
And I don't get it... X4 the price of the graphics, for what? only a 25-30% increase in *visible/noticable* speed?


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September 4, 2013 9:53:59 AM
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houldendub said:
ScourgEnigma said:
@getochkn: If you're wondering why so large an SSD, it's cause I have well over 2 dozen games (and counting...), almost half of which are in the two-digit GB range :p 
@socialassassin: What proven advantages does the i5 4670k CPU + GTX 780 graphics have over the AMD FX-8350 + Radeon HD 7850 2GB OC combo?


Even 30 games at 15GB each will only take 450GB of space. $700 is a LOT to spend on storage, especially when you can spend that money on a faster GPU.

The i5 4670k + 780 is SO much faster than the AMD processor and a 7850. For a start, the AMD processor isn't nearly as good, in almost every way. The 780 is essentially a Titan; overclock it a bit and you've got a £1000 graphics card for nearly half the price. The 780 is the top of the range in the 7xx series from Nvidia, the 7850 is the middle range of the AMD 7xxx cards.


ScourgEnigma said:
houldendub said:
ScourgEnigma said:
@getochkn: If you're wondering why so large an SSD, it's cause I have well over 2 dozen games (and counting...), almost half of which are in the two-digit GB range :p 
@socialassassin: What proven advantages does the i5 4670k CPU + GTX 780 graphics have over the AMD FX-8350 + Radeon HD 7850 2GB OC combo?


Even 30 games at 15GB each will only take 450GB of space. $700 is a LOT to spend on storage, especially when you can spend that money on a faster GPU.

The i5 4670k + 780 is SO much faster than the AMD processor and a 7850. For a start, the AMD processor isn't nearly as good, in almost every way. The 780 is essentially a Titan; overclock it a bit and you've got a £1000 graphics card for nearly half the price. The 780 is the top of the range in the 7xx series from Nvidia, the 7850 is the middle range of the AMD 7xxx cards.


Even if both are OC'ed to the same hertz, the titan still has more memory and cuda cores, thus for faster processing.. The only way 780 could match a titan would be to OC at near in-stable levels, which would fry a 780 in a few months if I ever took one.
And I don't get it... X4 the price of the graphics, for what? only a 25-30% increase in *visible/noticable* speed?




You asked for the fastest rig for 1500, I gave it to you.
The 780 will be able to run games at the highest settings for quite a while, its a better investment than a 1TB SSD. You could compromise, drop the 780 to a 770 or 7970 and increase the SSD to 250 - 500GB.
September 4, 2013 10:17:51 AM

"@getochkn: If you're wondering why so large an SSD, it's cause I have well over 2 dozen games (and counting...), almost half of which are in the two-digit GB range :p  "
I think this issues of a large SSD was addressed realistically, at this point in time they are a waste of money and you will not see a difference in game play, HHDs are fine for storage of a lot of games. I agree with everyone here, a 256 SSD paired with a 2-3 TB HDD is the smart way to go.

"@socialassassin: What proven advantages does the i5 4670k CPU + GTX 780 graphics have over the AMD FX-8350 + Radeon HD 7850 2GB OC combo?"
"Proven Advantage" you question. If every person here acknowledges this fact without reservation should be proof enough for you, unless you are not really asking what we think. Could you provide any "Proven" data that says the 4670k/780 is not better than the 8350/7850?

"Even if both are OC'ed to the same hertz, the titan still has more memory and cuda cores, thus for faster processing.. The only way 780 could match a titan would be to OC at near in-stable levels, which would fry a 780 in a few months if I ever took one.
And I don't get it... X4 the price of the graphics, for what? only a 25-30% increase in *visible/noticable* speed?"

The stock OCed MSI 780 Lightning is Faster than a stock Titan, you need not OC it and it comes with a 3 year warranty. If it burns up then send back for a new one in a few months. BTW, the GK110 in the Titan is not unleashed all the way either, it has much more capability than what they sell us, just saying.

Just trying to point out all those that took the time to post here when you asked what they thought about your build, did just that. You seem to be argumentative on their opinions to defend your original build as is. Socialassin presented a much better build than yours for the same money, I would add 8GB of RAM to bring it up to 16GB total and go with a WD Black HDD instead of a Seagate, but that is all I would change.
Your not going to OC much on a CM 212, the NH-D14 would give you the best chance.
September 4, 2013 3:40:42 PM

endeavour37a said:
"@getochkn: If you're wondering why so large an SSD, it's cause I have well over 2 dozen games (and counting...), almost half of which are in the two-digit GB range :p  "
I think this issues of a large SSD was addressed realistically, at this point in time they are a waste of money and you will not see a difference in game play, HHDs are fine for storage of a lot of games. I agree with everyone here, a 256 SSD paired with a 2-3 TB HDD is the smart way to go.

"@socialassassin: What proven advantages does the i5 4670k CPU + GTX 780 graphics have over the AMD FX-8350 + Radeon HD 7850 2GB OC combo?"
"Proven Advantage" you question. If every person here acknowledges this fact without reservation should be proof enough for you, unless you are not really asking what we think. Could you provide any "Proven" data that says the 4670k/780 is not better than the 8350/7850?

"Even if both are OC'ed to the same hertz, the titan still has more memory and cuda cores, thus for faster processing.. The only way 780 could match a titan would be to OC at near in-stable levels, which would fry a 780 in a few months if I ever took one.
And I don't get it... X4 the price of the graphics, for what? only a 25-30% increase in *visible/noticable* speed?"

The stock OCed MSI 780 Lightning is Faster than a stock Titan, you need not OC it and it comes with a 3 year warranty. If it burns up then send back for a new one in a few months. BTW, the GK110 in the Titan is not unleashed all the way either, it has much more capability than what they sell us, just saying.

Just trying to point out all those that took the time to post here when you asked what they thought about your build, did just that. You seem to be argumentative on their opinions to defend your original build as is. Socialassin presented a much better build than yours for the same money, I would add 8GB of RAM to bring it up to 16GB total and go with a WD Black HDD instead of a Seagate, but that is all I would change.
Your not going to OC much on a CM 212, the NH-D14 would give you the best chance.


Ofc I am "argumentative", I need as much input as possible to answer all the fine details I need/want to know about their recommendations. I'm no "sheep" that just blindly obeys what's being thrown at him, I prefer solid evidence (preferably with numbers) to back up claims. Anyway, I see now that the 840 was too much of a cost. The gtx 770 though looks quite enticing, so I may look into that if I ever decide on a $1500 rig. Seeing as that most games, save for crysis 3, aren't that demanding yet, I might as well go for a cheaper mid-range rig on another rate.

Socialassassin's reco wins this round :) 


September 5, 2013 1:53:11 AM

ScourgEnigma said:
Even if both are OC'ed to the same hertz, the titan still has more memory and cuda cores, thus for faster processing.. The only way 780 could match a titan would be to OC at near in-stable levels, which would fry a 780 in a few months if I ever took one.
And I don't get it... X4 the price of the graphics, for what? only a 25-30% increase in *visible/noticable* speed?


Do you just blindly look at numbers and bask in their almighty power?

An overclocked 780 IS faster than a Titan. Moar memory =/= faster card. Moar Cuda cores =/= faster card.

No game will fill up 6GB of VRAM as it is, so it's absolutely useless as it is. There's a reason why 2GB cards still fly. There's the bus width to take into account, the speed of the memory, lots of little things architecturally.

The 760 has less Cuda cores than a 660 Ti, yet the 760 pulls ahead due to slight differences in the architecture of the card.

You came here asking for advice. If you hadn't gotten the advice you would have spent $1500 on a shit computer, don't get snarky when people offer advice on different, better solutions.
September 5, 2013 6:15:38 AM

houldendub said:
ScourgEnigma said:
Even if both are OC'ed to the same hertz, the titan still has more memory and cuda cores, thus for faster processing.. The only way 780 could match a titan would be to OC at near in-stable levels, which would fry a 780 in a few months if I ever took one.
And I don't get it... X4 the price of the graphics, for what? only a 25-30% increase in *visible/noticable* speed?


Do you just blindly look at numbers and bask in their almighty power?

An overclocked 780 IS faster than a Titan. Moar memory =/= faster card. Moar Cuda cores =/= faster card.

No game will fill up 6GB of VRAM as it is, so it's absolutely useless as it is. There's a reason why 2GB cards still fly. There's the bus width to take into account, the speed of the memory, lots of little things architecturally.

The 760 has less Cuda cores than a 660 Ti, yet the 760 pulls ahead due to slight differences in the architecture of the card.

You came here asking for advice. If you hadn't gotten the advice you would have spent $1500 on a shit computer, don't get snarky when people offer advice on different, better solutions.


^^^this is exactly the kind of guys I tried to avoid...

1. Your statement holds no weight without BENCHMARKS to prove it, otherwise it's just air. Even if a 780 does get overclocked to the extent that it does match an untouched titan, what then if BOTH are overclocked equally? titan still wins...

2. 6GB of VRAM is not quite useful YET since most games aren't that deanding YET, but looking into the FUTURE when most games by that time will shadow even CRYSIS 3, gpus like titan will really shine.

3. don't lecture me on how I deal with their responses since it better eases one's uncertainty when they actually reason out and defend why they offer "such and such" a better solution. You should have noticed then that I'm more used to AMD products, so I wasn't quite sure how to approach intel/nvidia products before I asked.


September 5, 2013 6:17:58 AM


What's important now is that this issue is resolved, therefore am requesting lock (so I don't have to deal with unnecessary responses)


September 5, 2013 9:26:41 PM

Why don't you just do your own research and stop telling us to prove everything we suggest to you like it is our obligation. You are the kind of guys it is a waste of time trying to help out.
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