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a c 273 ) Power supply
May 6, 2014 5:56:59 PM

I think what dottorrent meant was that the Gigabyte Odin series were last reviewed in 2007 and no matter how well a unit did in testing in 2007 those results will not translate to the same score by today's standards.

Personally I would guess tier 3 at best based on only being 80 Plus certified

I would have to see reviews of the newer Sumo Gold and Platinum. The OEMs are CWT and ATNG and both can make a very good unit but both can turn out some junk as well.

Looks like Andyson and AcBel Polytech are the OEMs of the other series and just by default I would avoid these unless someone shows me a reason not to.

So all in all unless Gigabyte is the only brand available to you I would not recommend them.
May 7, 2014 8:03:46 AM

I know they are cheap but shouldn't CiT go to Tier 4? Sure they are cheap but they not no name and are a tad better than the Tier 5 ones. No where near as good as Corsair CX series etc though of course
a b ) Power supply
May 7, 2014 10:32:58 AM

dansgas1000 said:
I know they are cheap but shouldn't CiT go to Tier 4? Sure they are cheap but they not no name and are a tad better than the Tier 5 ones. No where near as good as Corsair CX series etc though of course


CiT PSU's are poor. There's little to no reason to purchase any of their units.
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a c 1218 ) Power supply
May 7, 2014 11:13:41 AM

CiT is considered to be a generic brand. They market and label their PSUs based on the PSU's peak power rating. I don't see any CiT PSUs being sold in North America because their PSUs don't seem to support universal voltage input. Seems to be UK only. They are also unable to get any level of 80 PLUS efficiency certification. Does anyone know who the OEM is?

A reputable company will only market their PSUs based on the PSU's continuous power rating.
a b ) Power supply
May 7, 2014 11:19:09 AM

ko888 said:
CiT is considered to be a generic brand. They market and label their PSUs based on the PSU's peak power rating. I don't see any CiT PSUs being sold in North America because their PSUs don't seem to support universal voltage input. Seems to be UK only. They are also unable to get any level of 80 PLUS efficiency certification. Does anyone know who the OEM is?

A reputable company will only market their PSUs based on the PSU's continuous power rating.


Most of their products seem to be made by Deer and their "higher" end products made by Zebronics.
a b ) Power supply
May 7, 2014 11:30:09 AM

My first one was a CIT PSU and i had a look inside to find a Deer logo in mine. Threw it away immediately and didn't even care about the warranty.
May 8, 2014 4:07:20 PM

I am not really a PSU expert but based on lots of reviews, shouldn't the FD Newton R3 Series be placed a tier higher? maybe t2 class A? I've heard a lot of good things about them...

Some reviews of various models:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Fractal_Design/Newto...
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5737/fractal-design-ne...
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Fractal-Design-N...
a b ) Power supply
May 8, 2014 10:47:49 PM

megahmad said:
I am not really a PSU expert but based on lots of reviews, shouldn't the FD Newton R3 Series be placed a tier higher? maybe t2 class A? I've heard a lot of good things about them...

Some reviews of various models:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Fractal_Design/Newto...
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5737/fractal-design-ne...
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Fractal-Design-N...


Ripple suppression on the minor rails are higher than normal for a platinum rated unit. If the OEM of the unit, ATNG, were to add another Japanese capacitor for the +3.3v and +5v rails just to lower the ripple slightly, it would make at least Tier 2 Class B.
May 9, 2014 5:00:52 PM

Didn't think of this one! :)  told you I am not an expert :p , so far it's a great list, I will let you know if there is something to be improved in the list.
Thanks.
a b ) Power supply
May 17, 2014 11:52:59 AM

ko888 said:

If you look at the scope shot from Tom's Hardware's own review of the Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 520W you can see that the ripple and noise are outside of the allowed ATX specifications:

The reviewer is still recommending it. Isn't that a strange thing then?
a c 273 ) Power supply
May 17, 2014 1:10:02 PM

Vic 40 said:
ko888 said:

If you look at the scope shot from Tom's Hardware's own review of the Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 520W you can see that the ripple and noise are outside of the allowed ATX specifications:

The reviewer is still recommending it. Isn't that a strange thing then?


Goes to show you why Tom's is not a reference source for many power supply reviews ;) 
May 21, 2014 5:53:33 PM

What about the Sentey BRP series?
I know they're bad PSUs, but how bad? Are they tier 4 or tier 5? Are they dangerous to a system?
a c 2488 ) Power supply
May 21, 2014 5:57:56 PM

Sentey BRP would be a tier 5 to me.
May 21, 2014 7:23:05 PM

I believe the same, but is there any real review on them? I have not been able to find one so far... I'm using one at the moment, no problem, stable overclock, don't really care if this system breaks soon or if it kills another of my components, as I'm hoping this is only a temporary system. Also, it will be easy to sell, since Sentey BRP series are held in high esteem by casual buyers and some misinformed gamers, in this area... Still, not a single problem with this PSU...

But, well, where I live it's so hard to get a nice PSU that Thermaltake TR2 are the most recommended you will usually find... If you want a nice XFX or Seasonic, you will have to pay about 5 times more for the same wattage (the BRP 500 is about us$50, while the XFX 550 costs about $250...), and we don't have much variety (._. )<
a c 75 ) Power supply
May 21, 2014 10:18:31 PM

anbello262 said:
I believe the same, but is there any real review on them? I have not been able to find one so far... I'm using one at the moment, no problem, stable overclock, don't really care if this system breaks soon or if it kills another of my components, as I'm hoping this is only a temporary system. Also, it will be easy to sell, since Sentey BRP series are held in high esteem by casual buyers and some misinformed gamers, in this area... Still, not a single problem with this PSU...

But, well, where I live it's so hard to get a nice PSU that Thermaltake TR2 are the most recommended you will usually find... If you want a nice XFX or Seasonic, you will have to pay about 5 times more for the same wattage (the BRP 500 is about us$50, while the XFX 550 costs about $250...), and we don't have much variety (._. )<


Blasphemer... Feels like it should be the 11th commandment NOT to do that.
a c 273 ) Power supply
May 22, 2014 12:07:01 AM

Sentey has some really good models. It looks like their higher end stuff that's 80 Plus Gold and Platinum certified is made by Superflower.

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page29012.h...

The BRP series is made by R-Senda. I have to admit I had never even heard that name before. That along with the fact that the 500w model only provides 26.5 amps ( 318 watts ) on the 12v rail tells me it's probably junk.
a c 75 ) Power supply
May 22, 2014 12:15:31 AM

anort3 said:
Sentey has some really good models. It looks like their higher end stuff that's 80 Plus Gold and Platinum certified is made by Superflower.

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page29012.h...

The BRP series is made by R-Senda. I have to admit I had never even heard that name before. That along with the fact that the 500w model only provides 26.5 amps ( 318 watts ) on the 12v rail tells me it's probably junk.


"Probably" :) 
May 22, 2014 2:54:02 PM

I know I shouldn't do something like that, but it's the best thing I can find where I live for... Getting a better quality one would cost MORE than my APU... Where I live prices are really high, and anything that deviates slightly from normal is REALLY expensive.
Here, I paid about $50 for the PSU, $30 for the case, $150 for the APU, $70 for the motherboard, $85 for the HDD and $50 for my ram.
If I wanted an XFX 550, for example, it would cost me $200 (only for the PSU). That's $150 more than my sentey BRP, so it would be cheaper to just replace any part that might break than getting a high quality PSU from the beginning.
There's no way I could build a budget gaming system for $450 with a good quality PSU where I live...
Of course I would really suffer if my PC broke (I'm not really good at expressing myself D: ) but still, I don't plan to upgrade this further or have it for more than 1-2 years...

So far I've never had any problem, and I've been able to overclock ram, igpu and cpu quite high (for the stock cooler), so I might be lucky on this one...
a c 122 ) Power supply
May 22, 2014 4:29:14 PM

In the end costs win out. We can't recommend second rate power supplies (or motherboards etc) because mostly it is not the right financial decision - especially in the long term. We provide advice, but in the end its your money and your decision.
May 22, 2014 4:35:00 PM

Yes, I understand, sorry for talking about something unrelated to the original topic, I got carried away D:
But, then, no one can find BRP series? I would like them to be incorporated into tier 5, so that no one else will buy them and risk their system, but I understand that will not be possible unless a reliable review is found...
a b ) Power supply
May 24, 2014 8:56:23 AM

What the heck is Zalman ZM Series? There is no such thing as ZM Series from Zalman. All their PSU model numbers start with ZM and not series.

LE series
OEM : Hui Cheng Electronic Technology
No reviews

LX series
OEM : Hui Cheng Electronic Technology
No reviews

APS series
OEM : FSP
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Zalman-ZM360B-AP...
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/673

US series
OEM : CWT
http://hardocp.com/article/2011/12/13/zalman_zm450us_45...

ST series
OEM : HEC, Enhance Electronics
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/981

RS series
OEM : FSP
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/882

GS series
OEM : CWT
No reviews

GS II series
OEM : Hui Cheng Electronic Technology
No reviews

GT series
OEM : FSP
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cases/display/chieftec...

XT series
OEM : Enhance Electronics
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/885

GLX series
OEM : Sirtec
No reviews

GV series
OEM : Enhance Electronics
No reviews

SV series
OEM : Enhance Electronics
No reviews

HP series
OEM : FSP, Enhance Electronics
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/661
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Zalman-ZM850-HP-...


GoldRock series
OEM : Enhance Electronics
No reviews


Platinum series
OEM : CWT
No reviews


May 25, 2014 1:29:33 PM

Will i be fine with corsair vs 650w and gtx 770 msi twin frozr i5 3350p?
a c 273 ) Power supply
May 25, 2014 1:45:20 PM

Denis Stoikovski said:
Will i be fine with corsair vs 650w and gtx 770 msi twin frozr i5 3350p?


Yes. That is fine.
May 26, 2014 6:42:42 PM

any chance the Corsair AX series could be included?
a c 122 ) Power supply
May 26, 2014 6:47:23 PM

Hi_im_JK said:
any chance the Corsair AX series could be included?


Its already in Tier One
May 26, 2014 7:04:39 PM

Sorry misread that thanks.
June 5, 2014 3:05:35 PM

How about this? Thermaltake Modular SmartSE 730w?

I'm about to buy it but need to confer with you guys first hand.
a c 122 ) Power supply
June 5, 2014 3:43:13 PM

If its not in the first few tiers, then try something that is
a c 311 ) Power supply
June 5, 2014 3:56:23 PM

iAmAdrian said:
How about this? Thermaltake Modular SmartSE 730w?

I'm about to buy it but need to confer with you guys first hand.


Not certified (yet anyway) no trusted review, I'd keep looking. If you'd like suggestions, open
a thread on this forum.
a b ) Power supply
June 5, 2014 10:11:11 PM

No update on Zalman PSUs?
I think this Tier list should be made by a non-American. Because non-115V PSUs are ignored completely.
And I have been seeing a lot of non-115V PSUs recently. This seems to be the new trick PSU manufacturers are using to sell low quality power supplies
a b ) Power supply
June 6, 2014 3:46:44 AM

chimera201 said:
No update on Zalman PSUs?
I think this Tier list should be made by a non-American. Because non-115V PSUs are ignored completely.
And I have been seeing a lot of non-115V PSUs recently. This seems to be the new trick PSU manufacturers are using to sell low quality power supplies


These are all switching power supplies. And plus, I am English. :D 

Also, there has been no reviews on those Zalman units for months, so I'll get rid of them.
a c 1218 ) Power supply
June 6, 2014 9:10:04 AM

chimera201 said:
No update on Zalman PSUs?
I think this Tier list should be made by a non-American. Because non-115V PSUs are ignored completely.
And I have been seeing a lot of non-115V PSUs recently. This seems to be the new trick PSU manufacturers are using to sell low quality power supplies


The Corsair VS Series is on the list and that series is strictly 200~240V AC input only.
a b ) Power supply
June 6, 2014 9:33:31 AM

ko888 said:


The Corsair VS Series is on the list and that series is strictly 200~240V AC input only.


That was asked for in this thread itself. Well that series is quite popular in my country atleast (It was launched in my country)
June 7, 2014 7:10:17 AM

Sorry if I'm being such a noob but is the Seasonic S12ii 520w, the same right up there in tier one?
Someone offered me this at 66.44U$. Is that reasonable? With 5 years warranty.

S / M12 II Bronze series (Includes EVO series)
Platinum series (Fanless or not)
X series
a b ) Power supply
June 7, 2014 10:36:55 AM

iAmAdrian said:
Sorry if I'm being such a noob but is the Seasonic S12ii 520w, the same right up there in tier one?
Someone offered me this at 66.44U$. Is that reasonable? With 5 years warranty.

S / M12 II Bronze series (Includes EVO series)
Platinum series (Fanless or not)
X series


Yes. The EVO series is fully modular. That PSU is a fine choice, as Seasonic is the best at making Power Supply Units.
a c 1218 ) Power supply
June 7, 2014 11:55:22 AM

Quote:
Tier one - The highest quality and most stable PSUs available on the hardware market today. Highly recommended for any situation


The Seasonic S12II Bronze Series does not meet the most stable and suitable for any situation criterion since its older group regulated design doesn't allow it to meet meet Intel Haswell compatibility. The +12V rail will go out of spec when using Intel's Haswell testing procedure. Seasonic also doesn't claim any Intel Haswell compatibility for the S12II Bronze Series.
a b ) Power supply
June 7, 2014 12:16:58 PM

ko888 said:
Quote:
Tier one - The highest quality and most stable PSUs available on the hardware market today. Highly recommended for any situation


The Seasonic S12II Bronze Series does not meet the most stable and suitable for any situation criterion since its older group regulated design doesn't allow it to meet meet Intel Haswell compatibility. The +12V rail will go out of spec when using Intel's Haswell testing procedure. Seasonic also doesn't claim any Intel Haswell compatibility for the S12II Bronze Series.


It doesn't have to meet Intel's Haswell pass for it to be stable. That test is to see if the PSU can hold a very low current state without a safety switch cutting the power. It doesn't have to pass that to be a stable and reliable unit.
a c 1218 ) Power supply
June 7, 2014 12:33:42 PM

dottorrent said:
ko888 said:
Quote:
Tier one - The highest quality and most stable PSUs available on the hardware market today. Highly recommended for any situation


The Seasonic S12II Bronze Series does not meet the most stable and suitable for any situation criterion since its older group regulated design doesn't allow it to meet meet Intel Haswell compatibility. The +12V rail will go out of spec when using Intel's Haswell testing procedure. Seasonic also doesn't claim any Intel Haswell compatibility for the S12II Bronze Series.


It doesn't have to meet Intel's Haswell pass for it to be stable. That test is to see if the PSU can hold a very low current state without a safety switch cutting the power. It doesn't have to pass that to be a stable and reliable unit.


You're the one that stated "Highly recommended for any situation". Sorry, but I wouldn't recommend an S12II Bronze Series for an Intel Haswell build because of the chance that the system won't wake up from C6/C7 power state.

Intel Haswell compatibility requires that the PSU not go out of spec during the test. If a rail exceeds spec then it's not completely stable. A good modern PSU, based on DC-to-DC design for its minor rails, remains completely stable and within ATX12V specs under all conditions and configurations it is subjected to and is what should be required for Tier 1.
a b ) Power supply
June 7, 2014 2:17:45 PM

ko888 said:
dottorrent said:
ko888 said:
Quote:
Tier one - The highest quality and most stable PSUs available on the hardware market today. Highly recommended for any situation


The Seasonic S12II Bronze Series does not meet the most stable and suitable for any situation criterion since its older group regulated design doesn't allow it to meet meet Intel Haswell compatibility. The +12V rail will go out of spec when using Intel's Haswell testing procedure. Seasonic also doesn't claim any Intel Haswell compatibility for the S12II Bronze Series.


It doesn't have to meet Intel's Haswell pass for it to be stable. That test is to see if the PSU can hold a very low current state without a safety switch cutting the power. It doesn't have to pass that to be a stable and reliable unit.


You're the one that stated "Highly recommended for any situation". Sorry, but I wouldn't recommend an S12II Bronze Series for an Intel Haswell build because of the chance that the system won't wake up from C6/C7 power state.

Intel Haswell compatibility requires that the PSU not go out of spec during the test. If a rail exceeds spec then it's not completely stable. A good modern PSU, based on DC-to-DC design for its minor rails, remains completely stable and within ATX12V specs under all conditions and configurations it is subjected to and is what should be required for Tier 1.


Fair point. Moved to Tier 2 A. However, Seasonic's M12 650 / 750 / 850w models ARE confirmed Haswell Compatible, so they stay at Tier 1.
a b ) Power supply
June 9, 2014 1:10:43 PM

What would be the best cheap 500-600 watt PSU that's pretty much universal and also works with Haswell ? Is there a " Haswell certified Seasonic M12ii 520w " ?

Any alternatives to this , at a similar price range ?
http://www.seasonicusa.com/M12II-Bronze-650-750-850.htm
a b ) Power supply
June 10, 2014 1:58:47 PM

XFX's 650w PSUs are Haswell certified. Made by Seasonic as well.
June 27, 2014 6:45:10 AM

what about Cooler Master GX II 550 Watts PSU? Is it enough to power AMD FX 8350, R9 270x Toxic Boost, 8 Gigs of 2133Mhz RAM (single chip), Seagate Barracuda 2TB DM002? Please help!
a b ) Power supply
June 28, 2014 6:02:49 AM

Bubun Karmakar said:
what about Cooler Master GX II 550 Watts PSU? Is it enough to power AMD FX 8350, R9 270x Toxic Boost, 8 Gigs of 2133Mhz RAM (single chip), Seagate Barracuda 2TB DM002? Please help!


There's been no review on the GX II 550w as of yet, so it's unconfirmed how it will perform. However, any 600w PSU from Tier 3 and above will be just fine.
June 28, 2014 6:32:46 AM

okay but PCPartPicker said it just requires 419Watts. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zjWdrH So maybe I would be able to run my rig just fine with my Cooler Master GXII 550 Watts PSU?
June 28, 2014 8:57:20 AM

Oh yeah, should Cooler Master V Series (Seasonic KM3 platform) move to tier 1 because it has the same platform as Seasonic X?
And also, if Cooler Master i700 is in Tier 3, the same applies for i600 too?
a b ) Power supply
June 28, 2014 3:56:31 PM

Ultrabook Zhi Yi said:
Oh yeah, should Cooler Master V Series (Seasonic KM3 platform) move to tier 1 because it has the same platform as Seasonic X?
And also, if Cooler Master i700 is in Tier 3, the same applies for i600 too?


CM V series has been moved to Tier 1.

It's unconfirmed that the i600 is about as good as the i700. It's like the original GX series. The rest weren't great but the 450w model was the best. It's down to quality of the components and how stable the unit actually is.
June 28, 2014 5:29:35 PM

dottorrent said:
Ultrabook Zhi Yi said:
Oh yeah, should Cooler Master V Series (Seasonic KM3 platform) move to tier 1 because it has the same platform as Seasonic X?
And also, if Cooler Master i700 is in Tier 3, the same applies for i600 too?


CM V series has been moved to Tier 1.

It's unconfirmed that the i600 is about as good as the i700. It's like the original GX series. The rest weren't great but the 450w model was the best. It's down to quality of the components and how stable the unit actually is.


But the i500, i600 and i700 should have the same platform?
RS-xxx-ACAA-B1? By the way B1 is what OEM manufacturer?
a c 1218 ) Power supply
June 28, 2014 6:45:17 PM

Ultrabook Zhi Yi said:
But the i500, i600 and i700 should have the same platform?
RS-xxx-ACAA-B1? By the way B1 is what OEM manufacturer?


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