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a b ) Power supply
October 14, 2014 5:44:25 AM

Update 14th October 2014 -
All power supplies discontinued from 2011 and older have been removed. This does not include power supplies from 2011 currently being sold, despite being replaced. The removal of all units includes in ascending order -

Antec
Basiq
Earthwatts (includes platinum)
Neo HE and Neopower units
Truecontrol
Truepower units. This does not include the new Classic models

Cooler Master
Elite MK1
eXtreme
GX MK1. This Includes GX Lite
iGreen
Realpower Pro

Cougar
S700
SX 700 and GX700

Enermax
Maximum Plus
MaxRevo
Triathlor 550, 650 and 750 watts

All Enhance units
All Epower units

Seasonic
S / M12 MK1 series
Super Versatile

Silverstone
EF
OP / DA series

All Ultra units

XFX
Black edition
XXX

More removals soon.
October 14, 2014 7:32:39 AM

Could you add some Xilence psu's to the list, I don't expect much quality, but they seem to be selling lately on european sites. Also, I don't see Thermaltake's entry level Smart series or Hamburg PSU's I think they'd be about tier 3 :) 
a b ) Power supply
October 14, 2014 7:41:48 AM

Thegamerguy said:
Could you add some Xilence psu's to the list, I don't expect much quality, but they seem to be selling lately on european sites. Also, I don't see Thermaltake's entry level Smart series or Hamburg PSU's I think they'd be about tier 3 :) 


No reviews of the Thermaltake Hamburg unit are around at this time. Also, no Xilence units have been reviewed by the top tier PSU reviewers e.g. Jonnyguru.
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a c 75 ) Power supply
October 14, 2014 7:44:00 AM

Again, 220v-230v units only, good reviews on them are near impossible to find.
a b ) Power supply
October 15, 2014 4:06:00 PM

Update 15th October 2014 -

More removals of discontinued units from 2011 include in ascending order -

ACBel Polytech units
Akasa units (Until some reviews of their Cobrapower lineup show up)
AMS units (Possibly pulled out of consumer grade market)
Asus units (Pulled out of PSU market)
Athenapower units (No longer making consumer grade PSUs)
FSP Everest
Futurepower units (Company currently MIA)
Hiper units
HiPro units
Huntkey units

Kingwin -
Lazer
Mach 1
Their budget PSUs

Masscool units
Mushkin units (Pulled out of PSU market)
NorthQ units (Company currently MIA)
OCZ / PC Power and cooling units (OCZ defunct, all assets of their PSUs are now under the Firepower Technology brand)

Rosewill -
(Their older PSUs)
Xtreme RX

Scythe (Lack of reviews)
Seventeam units (Lack of new reviews of their newer models)
Silverstone F Prefix
Sparkle units (Pulled out of western market completely)
Spire units (Lack of new reviews of their newer models)
Superflower Amazon
Supermicro / Ablecom units (Out of consumer grade business)
Tagan units (No longer making PSUs)
Topower units (Possibly out of computer hardware business altogether)
XClio units (No longer making PSUs. Now focused on chassis and fan design)
Xion units

All InWin PSUs re-reviewed and moved to specific tiers -

Commander III - Tier 3
Glacier - Tier 4
GreenMe - Tier 3

Kingwin's Powerforce units moved to Tier 3

That's another major update finished. More updates when possible.
October 15, 2014 4:21:57 PM

That makes the original list look so much cleaner, and much less intimidating for newer builders. Thanks for the update :) 
a b ) Power supply
October 15, 2014 7:20:08 PM

Who makes the Rosewill Photon?
a c 1218 ) Power supply
October 15, 2014 7:23:48 PM

damric said:
Who makes the Rosewill Photon?


Sirtec (a.k.a. High Power Electric Co., Ltd.)
October 16, 2014 9:40:55 AM

dottorrent said:
Thegamerguy said:
Could you add some Xilence psu's to the list, I don't expect much quality, but they seem to be selling lately on european sites. Also, I don't see Thermaltake's entry level Smart series or Hamburg PSU's I think they'd be about tier 3 :) 


No reviews of the Thermaltake Hamburg unit are around at this time. Also, no Xilence units have been reviewed by the top tier PSU reviewers e.g. Jonnyguru.


Well I did find a review on overclockers.com for the Thermaltake Smart 530w if you'd like to take a look at it:

http://www.overclockers.com/thermaltake-smart-series-53...

and I found a database on Techpowerup for some of the Xilence PSUs I was talking about:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviewdb/PSUs/Xilence/

Some are in German, ignore those, but some are in english (like the second serie a review). Just letting you know :) 
a b ) Power supply
October 16, 2014 10:10:11 AM

Thegamerguy said:
dottorrent said:
Thegamerguy said:
Could you add some Xilence psu's to the list, I don't expect much quality, but they seem to be selling lately on european sites. Also, I don't see Thermaltake's entry level Smart series or Hamburg PSU's I think they'd be about tier 3 :) 


No reviews of the Thermaltake Hamburg unit are around at this time. Also, no Xilence units have been reviewed by the top tier PSU reviewers e.g. Jonnyguru.


Well I did find a review on overclockers.com for the Thermaltake Smart 530w if you'd like to take a look at it:

http://www.overclockers.com/thermaltake-smart-series-53...

and I found a database on Techpowerup for some of the Xilence PSUs I was talking about:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviewdb/PSUs/Xilence/

Some are in German, ignore those, but some are in english (like the second serie a review). Just letting you know :) 


Smart series moved to Tier 4 due to poor ripple suppression and bad soldering.

Xilence Peformance A series moved to Tier 3
Xilence XQ series moved to tier 4, due to the crapacitors used i.e. X-CON, CapXon and loose ripple suppression and voltage regulation.
a b ) Power supply
October 16, 2014 10:15:13 AM

ko888 said:
damric said:
Who makes the Rosewill Photon?


Sirtec (a.k.a. High Power Electric Co., Ltd.)


Are we expecting this to be a hit or a stinker? I swear Rosewill has a different OEM for each model...

a c 272 ) Power supply
October 16, 2014 11:05:21 AM

Sirtec could go either way. They are capable of making very good units and they are just as capable of making something you wouldn't trust to power a toaster. That's why we wait for reviews. ;) 

Rosewill has done fairly well with Sirtec as an OEM in the past though. I would expect it to be pretty good.
a b ) Power supply
October 16, 2014 11:13:53 AM

anort3 said:
Sirtec could go either way. They are capable of making very good units and they are just as capable of making something you wouldn't trust to power a toaster. That's why we wait for reviews. ;) 

Rosewill has done fairly well with Sirtec as an OEM in the past though. I would expect it to be pretty good.


Their lastest unit, the Astro GD 1200w, did very well in the dungeon of JonnyGuru :D 
a b ) Power supply
October 18, 2014 2:29:04 AM

It might be worth leaving the XFX Black Edition in the list (formerly a Tier 1), as the marketing is pretty poor on the box, so the mistake could be made that it's a pro series model. It even says PRO1250W and the phrase "pro series" on the unit I have, as well as black edition, however it doesn't say black edition ANYWHERE on the box...
October 18, 2014 6:04:33 AM

the rm1000 is CWT so which tier should it belong to?
October 18, 2014 5:27:40 PM

I see the XFX XXX edition units were removed, as they were discontinued; but PCPartPicker has a few XXX units in their PSU list. I checked out who was selling them, and which units they were: NCIXUS is selling the 850w XXX edition (P1-850X-XXB9); Amazon and mwave are selling the 750w XXX edition (P1-750X-XXB9); and a few places are selling the 650w XXX edition (P1-650X-XXB9). I did find it interesting that a few places selling these units did not claim the units were the XXX edition on the page, but they had the same parts numbers, and the pictures did depict XXX units.

I'm slightly confused. Are there companies selling units that have been discontinued for 3 years, and are likely 3 years old at a minimum, or has XFX been pumping out units that simply bear the XXX edition markings, though they are not always marketed as such? Neither one would really surprise me, but it would definitely help to know. I think someone also had one of these discontinued units in their build sheet recently, but I'm not sure if they bought it. And, while I'm not opposed to buying old electronics, I do wonder if buying PSUs that have been sitting on the shelf for years would be too risky. I have a feeling it would be.

There was also a 550w unit that had the XXB9 part number, but was blatantly a standard TS unit. That got me wondering if the part numbers are being reused? It wouldn't make sense, but I'm starting to wonder what's going on.
a b ) Power supply
October 19, 2014 4:06:58 AM

It's power supplies that were discontinued after launch of a minimum year of 2011 and older. Don't get me wrong, they are awesome units, but they don't make them anymore.
a c 272 ) Power supply
October 19, 2014 10:10:38 AM

wh3resmycar said:
the rm1000 is CWT so which tier should it belong to?


Probably tier 2.


The number of older, discontinued models still in circulation depends on the number produced and sent to retailers. Just as a for instance the Corsair TX V2 units were around and being sold years after Corsair had moved to the third version of the TX and in fact the entire TX series has been discontinued now but they are still available in some places.
October 19, 2014 6:27:51 PM

dottorrent said:
It's power supplies that were discontinued after launch of a minimum year of 2011 and older. Don't get me wrong, they are awesome units, but they don't make them anymore.

But what do I make of the fact that there are companies selling these units? Since they are discontinued, and have been for a while, would it be smarter to just buy a unit that hasn't been sitting on the shelves for a few years? Nobody is even selling them as NOS, which is what bothers me the most.
a c 1218 ) Power supply
October 19, 2014 8:17:54 PM

Skylyne said:
dottorrent said:
It's power supplies that were discontinued after launch of a minimum year of 2011 and older. Don't get me wrong, they are awesome units, but they don't make them anymore.

But what do I make of the fact that there are companies selling these units? Since they are discontinued, and have been for a while, would it be smarter to just buy a unit that hasn't been sitting on the shelves for a few years? Nobody is even selling them as NOS, which is what bothers me the most.


Some sellers count on uninformed buyers to buy the discontinued stock.
October 19, 2014 8:36:28 PM

I had a feeling that was the case. I wonder if there's a legal liability with not advertising NOS on discontinued stock? That I'll definitely have to look into, although I don't suspect there to be one.

Why must electronic components degrade? I'd buy them if they were discounted, and they wouldn't run the risk of harming my computer.
a c 1218 ) Power supply
October 19, 2014 8:49:50 PM

I've heard that with Corsair's discontinued PSU models that are still within their warranty period and suffer a failure they will just replace it with the equivalent or better current model. Manufacturing date will come into play if you don't have a receipt that shows purchase date.

Unopened discontinued stock is still considered new and unused. It should still have the manufacturer's full warranty.

Usually when a model is being discontinued there will be a sale on them to clear any remaining stock in the distribution channel before the new model arrives.
a c 272 ) Power supply
October 19, 2014 8:54:01 PM

^ Yep. Here in the US the warranty is from date of purchase although I'm sure not everywhere has the same legal rights though. And it's not like it's degrading in the box. You are still getting a quality unit, it just not would not be as good against newer units as it would have been against units manufactured at the same time.

A large number of power supply designs have been around for longer than you would think. The Seasonic KM platform was first introduced in 2010 I believe. It' s the basis of the still excellent X and Platinum series.
a b ) Power supply
October 20, 2014 4:25:31 AM

OP, It might be worth tiering all discounted models and putting them under the list in a spoiler or something, I'd be happy to compile the list. Just so people can see what tier discounted models that they can still buy are.
October 20, 2014 6:04:58 PM

Hmmm, I hear a lot of mixed things about using old electrical components. Any data on the ageing process of the internal components, or of similar components? Definitely would like to see some information on that; very sceptical.
October 21, 2014 3:33:44 AM

I saw someone list a Thermaltake SP-850M in a build they just recently completed, and I'm having some difficulty with figuring out where it stacks up. According to HardOCP, it passes their testing; however, I don't know if that's enough to rank it. Dottorrent did say in an older thread (2013) that the SP-850M was made by Sirtec, and it should be "fine." I'm wondering where it would rank, if it ranks on here at all.
a c 1218 ) Power supply
October 21, 2014 10:00:04 AM

Skylyne said:
I saw someone list a Thermaltake SP-850M in a build they just recently completed, and I'm having some difficulty with figuring out where it stacks up. According to HardOCP, it passes their testing; however, I don't know if that's enough to rank it. Dottorrent did say in an older thread (2013) that the SP-850M was made by Sirtec, and it should be "fine." I'm wondering where it would rank, if it ranks on here at all.


The Thermaltake SP850M is not made by Sirtec. The UL file number on its label is E161451 - Channel Well Technology Co Ltd. Even the teardown shows the typical CWT characteristics (i.e. dark green colored tape on the transformer with the CWT name and part number stamped on it).

[H]ard|OCP's review stated that the ripple level is on the high side and so ranks at the rear when compared to its competing brands (e.g. NZXT HALE82 850W and Corsair TX850 v2).
a b ) Power supply
October 21, 2014 2:02:06 PM

ko888 said:
Skylyne said:
I saw someone list a Thermaltake SP-850M in a build they just recently completed, and I'm having some difficulty with figuring out where it stacks up. According to HardOCP, it passes their testing; however, I don't know if that's enough to rank it. Dottorrent did say in an older thread (2013) that the SP-850M was made by Sirtec, and it should be "fine." I'm wondering where it would rank, if it ranks on here at all.


The Thermaltake SP850M is not made by Sirtec. The UL file number on its label is E161451 - Channel Well Technology Co Ltd. Even the teardown shows the typical CWT characteristics (i.e. dark green colored tape on the transformer with the CWT name and part number stamped on it).

[H]ard|OCP's review stated that the ripple level is on the high side and so ranks at the rear when compared to its competing brands (e.g. NZXT HALE82 850W and Corsair TX850 v2).


I'm sure it was made by Sirtec, maybe the older models. I'm sure I found a review last year stating it was made by Sirtec.
a c 1218 ) Power supply
October 21, 2014 2:08:44 PM

dottorrent said:
I'm sure it was made by Sirtec, maybe the older models. I'm sure I found a review last year stating it was made by Sirtec.


Only the SP-1000M and SP-1200M models are made by Sirtec/High Power.
October 22, 2014 6:30:22 PM

Well, the Thermaltake Smart series units are currently rated in tier 4. I take it that wouldn't be a decent OC'ing PSU? If so, I might want to track down the OP of that thread... he was thinking about OC'ing.
a c 272 ) Power supply
October 22, 2014 6:44:45 PM

Skylyne said:
Well, the Thermaltake Smart series units are currently rated in tier 4. I take it that wouldn't be a decent OC'ing PSU? If so, I might want to track down the OP of that thread... he was thinking about OC'ing.


What are your specs and what's your budget?

Newegg has the Seasonic G series 750w model on sale for $65 after rebate and promo code until 10/24. Great unit and plenty of power for any single and even some dual GPU setups. Almost impossible to beat the quality and wattage for the price.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?sdtid=727550...
9 minutes ago

I'm talking about another thread, where the OP already put in the Thermaltake 850M. This won't be for my own build. My build will either be using an Antec HCG, or a Seasonic S12II.
a c 272 ) Power supply
5 minutes ago

Skylyne said:
I'm talking about another thread, where the OP already put in the Thermaltake 850M. This won't be for my own build. My build will either be using an Antec HCG, or a Seasonic S12II.


Both based on an older less efficient Seasonic platform than the G series. Well 2 of the higher wattage HCG models are made by Delta but still an older less efficient design.

I just thought from your posts you were looking for a good, cheap power supply and the G meets that criteria.
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