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Samsung's 64-Bit Exynos In Final Stages of Development

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September 23, 2013 3:07:16 PM

oh no, apples AMAZING new innovation that changed the face of mobile phones "again" is already being copied, is nothing sacred, wont somebody think of the fanboys. lol
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September 23, 2013 3:07:25 PM

oh no, apples AMAZING new innovation that changed the face of mobile phones "again" is already being copied, is nothing sacred, wont somebody think of the fanboys. lol
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September 23, 2013 3:10:10 PM

Well, since ARM opened the gates, this was expected.
I just hope that these Exynos chips will have the LTE support needed in the US, eliminating the need for Qualcomm chips for US versions.
That being said, I would really be surprised if Qualcomm would not come out with their own 64 bit version.
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September 23, 2013 3:11:32 PM

so Android will support 64 bit instructions?? Not any time soon!
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September 23, 2013 3:55:19 PM

64 _million_ bit processor!
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September 23, 2013 3:57:28 PM

64 bit does Apple no good with such a tiny 4 inch screen and no apps to take advantage of it. So yawn to them getting it first.
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September 23, 2013 4:07:15 PM

ARM released 64-bit cores late last year already. Why is this a surprise? :-P

It was originally released for low-power server racks running Linux...where they actually had more than 4GB of memory. Most phones won't go over that memory limit for a while since there's no real need to :-)
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September 23, 2013 5:01:31 PM

redeemer said:
so Android will support 64 bit instructions?? Not any time soon!

Not a big deal, all they need to do is recompile it with an ARM64 compiler and maybe swap in some optimized ARM64 libraries/algorithms.

For apps that follow Google's Android development guidelines, the rest of the code is Java so it does not really matter what the underlying OS or architecture is. Apps will use whatever instructions the Java runtime supports.
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September 23, 2013 5:26:45 PM

Not getting excited until I see apps that can use it efficiently. /android user
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September 23, 2013 6:44:37 PM

nevilence said:
oh no, apples AMAZING new innovation that changed the face of mobile phones "again" is already being copied, is nothing sacred, wont somebody think of the fanboys. lol


Apple invented 64 bit computing that ARM specified? They should sue ARM!
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September 23, 2013 6:45:55 PM

64-bit is overated. It took what...a decade on the PC and till today, most PC apps are still 32-bits except a handfuL of server apps or high-end productivity apps.
Slapping a 64-bit cpu into a phone is not going to make existing codes runs any faster or better. In fact,64-bit apps could runs slower due to more overheads. The only true usage for 64-bit cpu is to address the > 4GB memory limit, which Android is hitting the ceiling soon.
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September 23, 2013 7:30:43 PM

will it support 1440p?
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September 23, 2013 8:12:59 PM

I still fail to see what 64 bit is going to do for cell phones... This was useless in Apple's 5S and its going to be just as useless in Samsung's new phone... Its all just marketing hype.
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September 23, 2013 8:23:52 PM

Looking at how long ago 64-bit desktop processors hit mainstream consumers, and yet an overwhelming majority of consumer desktop software has never really ventured much from 32-bit operation, I don't expect much from 64-bit mobile platforms.

Apple was so vague about how anything on their platform benefits from the 64-bit processor. But 64 is TWICE AS MUCH as 32, so of course it's better. Curious how much Samsung will implement anything different after deploying their own 64-bit processor. My money is on "not much."
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September 23, 2013 9:08:25 PM

darkavenger123 said:
Slapping a 64-bit cpu into a phone is not going to make existing codes runs any faster or better.

On Android, most apps are Java and "existing codes" are Java bytecode that get re-compiled on-the-fly to whatever the Java runtime is optimized for so, whether apps benefit from it or not depends mostly on how optimized the JRE's native recompiler, sandbox, native libraries, etc. are.

This isn't like PCs where most applications are compiled to native statically linked x86 code and require a re-compile by developers to include optimizations for new instruction sets, new libraries, etc.
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September 23, 2013 10:48:01 PM

so this is samsung's way of innovation? copying what apple is doing? shame on them.
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September 23, 2013 11:18:19 PM

64bit by itself is of limited benefit for a while in these devices (limited need in memory addressing or arithmetic). However, the ARM 64 bit instruction set is about as compact as it's 32bit predecessor, and includes a lot of optimisations (more registers, better SIMD). I recall that it also includes stuff that might assist with faster JIT for Android too. So even if you're not needing the 64 bit data size, there's lots of performance to be gained (but not because of 64 bit). In fact, it's a completely new instruction set implementation, not an extension of the 32 bit arm instruction set.
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September 23, 2013 11:37:46 PM

Why do people think Samsung copied Apple? Do you genuinely think they can design and, build and test this in a matter of weeks?
As has been said, ARM has had their 64-bit design for a while now. 64-bit has been in the pipelines in Samsung, Apple and probably Qualcomm and others for a while now.
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September 24, 2013 2:13:48 AM

This is not a me-too, because making a new processor is not something that is done in a few weeks, let alone months.

In any case, without software support is barely better than a marketing stunt. Better get developers working ASAP.
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September 24, 2013 2:21:14 AM

phen0m_05 said:
so this is samsung's way of innovation? copying what apple is doing? shame on them.


So you're saying Apple copied Microsoft, Linux and other UNIX OSes when they launched their 64 bit Power Mac G5?

This CPU is most likely been on the drawing board for quite some time.
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September 24, 2013 2:37:32 AM

64bit was just a matter of time, it's not like it's a new technology or something.
it's just like 4k display, HD is bound to have an upgrade.

64bit for now is just marketing stunt for me.
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September 24, 2013 5:08:30 AM

redeemer said:
so Android will support 64 bit instructions?? Not any time soon!

So you're saying you have a fundamental misunderstanding about software in general. Noted.

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September 24, 2013 5:11:48 AM

phen0m_05 said:
so this is samsung's way of innovation? copying what apple is doing? shame on them.

It's so cute when you see one of these little fanny rants.
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September 24, 2013 5:26:23 AM

Too late, Apple had already patented the use 64bit processor in mobile phone.
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September 24, 2013 6:04:37 AM

look who is following again, Samsung...
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September 24, 2013 6:09:48 AM

wemakeourfuture said:
look who is following again, Samsung...

'following' all the way to the bank to cash the checks Apple writes to them to implement and produce the processor? (You do know it's co-developed with Samsung don't you? Or is that one of the facts you file away under things-I-don't-want-to-know?)

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September 24, 2013 6:30:18 AM

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...and yet an overwhelming majority of consumer desktop software has never really ventured much from 32-bit operation, I don't expect much from 64-bit mobile platforms.


You can blame Microsoft for that, because they don't seem to want to make a full 64-bit OS without the 32-bit emulation, so developers don't really want to start coding software that is only for a 64-bit OS. Until MS drops 32-bit Windows altogether, we won't see true 64-bit computing.
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September 24, 2013 6:59:12 AM

Cy-Kill said:
developers don't really want to start coding software that is only for a 64-bit OS.

With .NET bytecode (MSIL), developers actually don't need to know that the underlying CPU is since the runtime's native recompiler will recompile it to whatever is under the hood... 32bits ARM, 64bits ARM, 32bits x86, 64bits x86, etc. just like Java does. With those high-level languages, the "bitness" of applications is whatever the runtime and OS makes them.
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September 24, 2013 9:53:32 AM

wemakeourfuture said:
look who is following again, Samsung...


LOL @ troll. If you really believe that Exynos was developed in the few days since iP5s came out, I have a bridge to sell you...
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September 24, 2013 9:54:29 AM

nevilence said:
oh no, apples AMAZING new innovation that changed the face of mobile phones "again" is already being copied, is nothing sacred, wont somebody think of the fanboys. lol


sarcasm is strong with this one...
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September 24, 2013 11:18:58 AM

Amazing how some of you are comparing apple to oranges when it comes to 64-bit computing for PCs and mobile Devices. Yeah its the whole over 4GB thing! lol...naive to say the least! Good on Apple to be the first to see the potential of 64-bit iOS to open up more App capabilities within its hardware.
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September 24, 2013 11:20:19 AM

Amazing how some of you are comparing apple to oranges when it comes to 64-bit computing for PCs and mobile Devices. Yeah its the whole over 4GB thing! lol...naive to say the least! Good on Apple to be the first to see the potential of 64-bit iOS to open up more App capabilities within its hardware.
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September 24, 2013 11:20:30 AM

Amazing how some of you are comparing apple to oranges when it comes to 64-bit computing for PCs and mobile Devices. Yeah its the whole over 4GB thing! lol...naive to say the least! Good on Apple to be the first to see the potential of 64-bit iOS to open up more App capabilities within its hardware.
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September 24, 2013 11:21:28 AM

Amazing how some of you are comparing apple to oranges when it comes to 64-bit computing for PCs and mobile Devices. Yeah its the whole over 4GB thing! lol...naive to say the least! Good on Apple to be the first to see the potential of 64-bit iOS to open up more App capabilities within its hardware.
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September 24, 2013 7:49:26 PM

^^so you are saying that 4gb has nothing to do with it?
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September 24, 2013 8:10:28 PM

Cons29 said:
^^so you are saying that 4gb has nothing to do with it?

4GB is still within 32bits addressing range albeit with some losses due to MMIO if there is no re-mapping mechanism to recover it. Right now though, the first 3GB devices are just around the corner just like the first 2GB devices last year so I would expect 4GB to pop up around this time next year, possibly in LPDDR4 flavor.
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September 26, 2013 7:42:27 PM

Samsung was FIRST to license ARM A50 64bit chips last year. In fact they had to be first to be the first fabricator to have 64bit chips coming off their fabrication lines. Which rely on Samsung's patented process technology, equipment and R&D spending and development. Those Apple A7's don't just grow on trees and it takes at least a year to go from design to tooling up machine lines, sampling, testing, tuning and then the all important ramping up of production.

So the fact that Apple was able to rush a product to market before Samsung is really no big deal. It only means that Apple's iPhone 5s is running iOS 7 and stealing Samsung's Biometric Sensor in the Home Button idea. Want proof? Look no further that Samsung's biometric sensor in the home button patent filed in November 2011 and still not granted by USPTO. Yet they were quick to grant Apple's in a heartbeat not even applied for for over a year. When they had bought Authentec out from under Samsung, HP and others. If that isn't Anticompetitive, then I don't know what is!

Especially since the first thing Apple did is order Authentec to cease support of their competitor's pre-existing sensor contracts. Which caused Samsung to have to find another Biometric Sensor company too late for it's planned launch on the Galaxy S3. Which you can see here was planned to have it in it's home button!
http://www.biometricupdate.com/201305/rumors-point-to-a...

That was of course before Apple came out of nowhere to buy Authentec and screw it's existing customers too. Not to mention stealing Samsung's Biometric Sensor in the home button idea from Samsung's Nov. 2011 Patent as well. So when is the World ever going to see Apple for rip off artists and thieves they really are? Well if they keep pumping enough RDF into their fans, that maybe never!!!

But...... that won't stop Samsung from putting in a new better designed and more secure Validity Sensor in their HOME Button for the Win!!! ..........Apple's store bought fingerprint sensor isn't near as good or secure as the Enterprise Biometric Sensor industry leader in Validity! ;-P
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October 5, 2013 2:01:42 AM

" Samsung is already shoving 3 GB memory sticks into phones", no not sticks but a chip than internally has 2 stacks of 3 dies in it, totalling 3GB of RAM
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October 27, 2013 1:25:48 AM

Wow, so many clueless people here.
64bit on ARM means much more than on x86.
Due to the CISC architecture, x86 has been benefiting from every additional hidden registers Intel has been putting in throughout their new architectures without resorting to 64bit OS. That's why 64bit Windows doesn't bring much gain beside the 4GB barrier issue resolved.

ARM on the other hand, has been suffering from its limited number of the architectural registers it has been stuck with the whole time.

With the whole new instruction set plus double the amount, double the wide registers this limitation is virtually eliminated for ARM.

And of course, in order to benefit from all those new features ARMv8 offers, the OS has to be a 64bit one. Too bad for Android.

I bet the upcoming GalaxyS5 will feature a 64bit CPU running 32bit Android. What a joke.
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October 27, 2013 1:50:21 AM

Wow, so many clueless people here.
64bit on ARM means much more than on x86.
Due to the CISC architecture, x86 has been benefiting from every additional hidden registers Intel has been putting in throughout their new architectures without resorting to 64bit OS. That's why 64bit Windows doesn't bring much gain beside the 4GB barrier issue resolved.

ARM on the other hand, has been suffering from its limited number of the architectural registers it has been stuck with the whole time.

With the whole new instruction set plus double the amount, double the wide registers this limitation is virtually eliminated for ARM.
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