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SteamOS Uses Nvidia's Streaming Tech; Ref Design on Weds

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September 24, 2013 4:58:37 PM

Anxiously waiting!
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September 24, 2013 5:01:12 PM

We've already heard Gabe Newell thrash the Windows 8 platform, so it's no surprise hearing similar talk from supposed employees. Windows is the real cancer killing PC gaming, not consoles, he claims. (SO TRUE)
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September 24, 2013 5:06:14 PM

Give me Half Life 3 already, take my damn money, can't wait for Steam OS, makes me Glad I have an AMD cpu and an Nvidia card now( I know AMD will work too but I've had troubles installing Linux on an AMD gpu and BSOD from radeon driver updates just last year and I only use stable drivers), especially how games are starting to progress and use all 6 of my cpu cores, plus games will be coded for AMD chps in the next gen consoles it should only get better.
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September 24, 2013 5:23:18 PM

MS has not prevented anyone from releasing a game for Windows, unless it was a game made by them, if you want to shout a somebody for not releasing GTA V on PC (for example) you should direct your anger at Rockstar. You can argue the technical benefits of DX and OpenGL all day, but neither has prevented anyone from releasing games and seeing as Steam is the defacto PC gaming platform the only reason I see Valve knee jerk reacting is the assumption that Marketplace will supplant Steam as a games shop - Gabe really should calm down because it is making the natives nervous
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September 24, 2013 5:28:29 PM

This is interesting that AMD is "Hesitant" to support the SteamBox, and yet it is using an AMD CPU. Either way everyone wins since AMD GPU's will be able to stream!
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September 24, 2013 5:35:14 PM

Sorry double post some how, first time I've had this glitch.
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September 24, 2013 5:42:13 PM

I'm not sure why because this is definitely a long shot by Valve, but this thing reeks of win.

They need to secure a major hardware partner to really push it over the edge though. Someone like Asus perhaps who has the distribution power to make sure those cool reference boxes are sitting on shelves at Game Stop, Wal-Mart, and Best Buy right next to the xfail one and PS4.
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September 24, 2013 6:40:15 PM

What he says seems plausible... but then again, no real proof to convince us that he's a real Valve employee.
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September 24, 2013 7:11:27 PM

Oh my god, if this turns out to be false I don't know if my nerves will take it. Seriously if this is false then Valve is an official troller for not saying anything about Half-Life 3. Oh pleas be true!!!!
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September 24, 2013 7:49:08 PM

Of course windows is the cancer killing PC gaming. Why do they want competition from themselves? Why give a free platform to develop and release on when there is a TON of money to be made on the console side of things. So in the right perspective, the consoles/phones/tablets are driving M$ to kill the PC as we know it. I just think Ballmer and the M$ machine are too greedy to get what they should have been doing all along... GIVE the OS away for free and lock down development and charge a distribution/activation fee. Which is now what they are trying to do but it's killing the platform because you can't expect a good reaction from taking away free heroin from an addict!
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September 24, 2013 8:08:49 PM

`Microsoft is becoming more and more like Apple daily and this isn't a good thing. MS wants everyone to buy from their app store and nothing else. That's why they're cramming Metro down our throats and that's why they are still fighting to keep Win RT alive. It has nothing to do with the efficiency of ARM CPUs or whatever other BS excuses they came up with, it comes down to wanting to have a closed ecosystem in which everything installed on the PC goes through them.

They want that app store revenue. Period.

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September 24, 2013 9:06:47 PM

WOW. I'm a fan of Windows, and by that I mean, I'm not the extremist that hates Windows so much that I would only stick to Linux.

I believe MS/Windows does a lot of things wrong, but WOW do I have to agree that Microsoft are the ones killing PC gaming. I appreciate Valve for what they do, and I don't get why the hell MS can't follow.

I loved the concept of Games For Windows Live. I thought it was great (my personal opinion) but the incredible lack of support from Microsoft (how the hell can you push a DRM/Gaming Service and not even release your own games ex. Halo and Fable were the last few games) killed the service.

I really don't understand what the hell they are thinking half the time. I really wish they could be smart and be the leading factor in PC gaming, hell they build the OS that 99% of games on run, why not give 1% more support.

I hope this SteamOS is something great, would love to have a true gaming experience instead of the huge bloatware behind Windows. If Microsoft was smart they'd release Windows Elite/Gamer edition where it wouldn't run the billions of background services, just let you play games and/or make it like the Xbox One where you can switch back and forth from the main OS to the Gaming OS.

I'd solve all of Microsoft's problems in a day, if those idiots weren't such idiots.
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September 24, 2013 10:07:48 PM

Though it does seem like the kind of announcement they will be making, I would never trust 4chan as a reputable source for anything.

Or maybe I just can't accept that John Kerry is a ritualistic gay reptilian
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September 24, 2013 10:15:23 PM

Give me Half Life 3 already, take my damn money, can't wait for Steam OS, makes me Glad I have an AMD cpu and an Nvidia card now( I know AMD will work too but I've had troubles installing Linux on an AMD gpu and BSOD from radeon driver updates just last year and I only use stable drivers), especially how games are starting to progress and use all 6 of my cpu cores, plus games will be coded for AMD chps in the next gen consoles it should only get better.
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September 24, 2013 11:02:17 PM

If he is really a Valve insider I find it kind of curious that he didn't just say all this before Monday's Steam OS announcement. Everyone knew Steam Box and HL3 were down the line somewhere, but no one could have predicted Steam OS. If he came out on Sunday or earlier chirping about something we actually hadn't heard yet it would be one thing, but everything he's talking about are things anyone could guess on. If he told us about SteamOS before it was announced on Monday, then I would listen.
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September 24, 2013 11:33:56 PM

That's half a dozen posts all saying the same thing, that MS is killing PC gaming, simply not true. Nobody has provided a shred of information as to why so it reeks of bandwagoning. Simple questions, if a dev does not make a game for Windows or a shop does not stack it on a shelf, how is that the fault of MS? And don't say Metro because that hasn't stopped anyone installing or playing.
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September 24, 2013 11:38:51 PM

Interesting. I thought Valve wasn't going to use Nvidia's streaming tech because it would have too many restrictions.
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September 24, 2013 11:40:57 PM

Interesting. I thought Valve wasn't going to use Nvidia's streaming tech because it would have too many restrictions.
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September 25, 2013 12:07:45 AM

What is 4chan?
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September 25, 2013 12:23:30 AM

Imagine if HL3 is an exclusive to SteamBox/SteamOS (Like Halo was for XBox). That will really give a jumpstart to this whole project. It will also establish a userbase for SteamBox/SteamOS so more developers can jump on the valve bandwagon.
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September 25, 2013 4:36:35 AM

So the machine must make AMD GPU bad performance, like the old times Half-life 2, right ?
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September 25, 2013 5:46:25 AM

back_by_demand said:
That's half a dozen posts all saying the same thing, that MS is killing PC gaming, simply not true. Nobody has provided a shred of information as to why so it reeks of bandwagoning. Simple questions, if a dev does not make a game for Windows or a shop does not stack it on a shelf, how is that the fault of MS? And don't say Metro because that hasn't stopped anyone installing or playing.


I'd actually be curious to hear some explanations on this as well. Metro and the Windows Store does seem a weak answer as well since the desktop is still there and 100% functional, and as far as I know, Windows 8 is very game compatible... Outside of Windows having background tasks taking up system resources - which has been true for about two decades, but I never heard anyone claim it was "killing gaming" when I was playing Duke 3D - in what ways has MS/Windows impeded people from making games for Windows?

If anything, having a relatively unified PC OS platform has probably been a boon for game makers, having to develop for one software standard rather than their limited resources going to making it compatible with a half dozen Linux distros/etc.
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September 25, 2013 8:33:13 AM

Microsoft isn't "killing" PC gaming. All games I've tried still run the same on Win 8 as they did on Win 7 including some stuff from 1997 and before. Some of the compatibility features help this even more. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

However, a few things are true, but as steve said, they have been true forever.

First, Windows is bloated. There is a big reason why people install Linux based OS' on older and slower computers. It's because it simply runs faster on them. The argument that high end PC running Linux can do other things such as gaming faster than a Windows based counterpart is certainly valid. Now that has been true for quite awhile. although I would argue that Win 8 might be the most bloated Windows ever. 22 GB of disk space for an OS is a fat horse that needs to trim down. A full install of Ubuntu needs less than 5. I know disk space doesn't equate into performance, but I threw that out there to give people an idea of what I mean in terms of the sheer level of bloat.

Additionally, when building a "gaming" pc, spending $100+ on a copy of Windows is a ton of money that could be spent on a better graphics card. I mean you can almost double the performance for that. Yeah it offers other stuff, but for the majority of gamers I bet steam plus Linux could easily accomplish about any task they desire free of charge. The difference between a $400 and $500 gaming pc really is big.

These advantages start to disappear though for high end machines where the performance difference doesn't really matter and the budget exceeds the $1k mark. However, in the market where the Steam Box will play, those things are huge This is specifically targeting the budget gamer who is looking to spend around $500 (or the cost of a console) to game and wants to consider a PC. Anyone who frequently posts on the Tom's forums knows that about 3 out of every 4 posters looking for build advice fall into that category.
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September 25, 2013 9:20:16 AM

The reason there is an impression that Microsoft is killing gaming is for several reasons. Their half hearted attempt at GFWL (which initially was a shot at a paywall like Xbox Live). This failed and the whole thing crumbled. Also, every other AAA publisher releases their games on PC and Console except the company that makes the Operating System! That seems like a huge missed opportunity especially when there could have been so much promise in cross platform gameplay. Finally, when does Microsoft ever talk seriously about PC gaming at any of the gaming conventions like E3. Its all Xbox all the time, all about the paywall and closing the platform.

Fortunately despite all of that headwind from Microsoft, PC gaming has gone on to thrive and Steam had a lot to do with that.
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September 25, 2013 9:28:02 AM

The reason there is an impression that Microsoft is killing gaming is for several reasons. Their half hearted attempt at GFWL (which initially was a shot at a paywall like Xbox Live). This failed and the whole thing crumbled. Also, every other AAA publisher releases their games on PC and Console except the company that makes the Operating System! That seems like a huge missed opportunity especially when there could have been so much promise in cross platform gameplay. Finally, when does Microsoft ever talk seriously about PC gaming at any of the gaming conventions like E3. Its all Xbox all the time, all about the paywall and closing the platform.

Fortunately despite all of that headwind from Microsoft, PC gaming has gone on to thrive and Steam had a lot to do with that.
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September 25, 2013 10:09:00 AM

Techarticulate, how about we test the theory, instead of the obvious Halo reference you are alluding to, how about we list all the games made by Microsoft and wether they have been released on PC, Xbox or both - because I'm pretty sure Gears Of War is console exclusive, but Age of Empires and Flight Sim are definitely PC exclusive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_publis...
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September 25, 2013 10:37:27 AM

Tech, I've heard that talk before and it seems to me like there is a pretty big distinction between "killing PC gaming" and "actively pushing PC gaming." The fact that they focus on XBOX and are created pay-wall structures like GFWL and the Windows Store doesn't in any way show that they are killing PC gaming other than giving pay-wall alternatives to the more open PC gaming structure, and giving people an alternative platform to play on. In this sense, they're "killing PC gaming" about as much as Sony and Nintendo are, by offering its previous open format competition. If every other publisher endorses the other platform and puts their software into these walled garden type environments that might kill PC gaming as we know it, but others adopting these platforms can't be entirely piled onto MS. Heck, when you look at things like this:

http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/05/Saving-a-penny----pirat...

MS may be providing alternatives, but, why is it that gaming companies are rushing to them? Things like the above don't help and those things are pinned right to the PC gamers, not the evil corporations who are supposedly "killing PC gaming."


And guess what... Steam? That thing you are saying has gone on to make PC gaming thrive? That in itself if a paywall not unlike GFWL was, and we are a community aren't just openly embracing it but rather rushing to it. I understand the concern with GFWL and the XBOX is that there is the potential for MS to make the PC no longer run games in the classic sense in the future, but, even with their latest iteration of Windows which introduces their "walled garden" of the Windows store, they have in no way limited the ability of others to release games in any format they choose with any level of DRM, freedom to release privately like Mojang did or through other pay-wall structures like Steam, or physical release or, or, or..

At this point MS has in no way limited the open release of titles on the platform. No licensing fee to design games for Windows, no mandatory DRM, no requirement to use GFWL/Windows Store/make it for the XBOX, no sign they are making it more difficult for the continued creation of progressively better gaming hardware... In fact, they openly support such hardware, continually code the OS to allow for fully open game creation on said OS. How can you pin "killing PC gaming" on Windows as a result of this?

And JD, yeah, pretty much what I thought. Windows may not be an ideal gaming platform because of how bulky it is, and with SSD's becoming more prevalent, a 22gb install is less a laughing matter than it was in the past. This isn't an instance of MS/Windows "killing PC gaming" though... It's a case of making it slightly more costly for people building their own gaming PCs.

I just don't see how MS or Windows are in any way killing PC gaming. They've continually made their platform perfectly PC gaming compliant. Tons of developers are jumping ship or using more DRM/pay-wall type structures... But heck, Tech here just heralded Steam as the saviour of PC gaming, and it is both a form of DRM AND a pay-wall and developers are jumping ship to that - at least in part because PC gamers are a bunch of pirating twats. Well, that's gamers in general, but PC gamers are *certainly* no better than any other type...
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September 25, 2013 10:38:18 AM

Excited to see it and install it one of my boxes when it's out!
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September 25, 2013 11:02:07 AM

Actually, two questions for a lot of you who are heralding this as a great alternative to Windows because Windows is "killing PC gaming" etc.

First question... One, can any person or group make any game they want for a Windows PC, distribute it any way they please, program it to work with any types of hardware they want, and do so without having to pay any licensing fee/cut to anyone unless they willingly decide to make the game to work with a specific service?

Second question... Will any game made for Steam OS have to use Steam, or can games be made and distributed for it without being tied into to Steam's DRM and pay structure? I'm honestly curious about this second question. The answer to the first question is a big fat "yes" and that anyone can make whatever the heck they want without paying a dime to anyone - Mojang style, for instance.
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September 25, 2013 11:19:36 AM

Reading through the SteamOS web page - and correct me if I am wrong in this assertion - it seems to me that what I was pointing at with my second question above is entirely true. This OS turns the hardware it's on into, basically, a Steam console. Every single game that can and will run on it will be subject to Steam DRM and Steam getting a cut and the game developer following Steam's rules - and again, correct me if I'm wrong on that. To me, this actually seems less open than the Windows platform where an upstart like Mojang can make a game like Minecraft with zero ties to any pre-made distribution store, zero licensing fees paid, zero rules to follow (outside of the law). Instead, Big-Brother-Valve is going to have their fingers in every pie.

The funny thing is, for years I've been hearing PC gamers criticize consoles for being closed systems and the PC was awesome because anyone could do anything with it... Now I see a bunch of people jumping up and down for a PC OS that puts *everything* under Big-Brother-Valve's careful watch, pay structure, and DRM. Hey, I use Steam quite frequently and find it to be a great service... But I'm not sure I'm rushing to trade a more open platform for one where there is one central authority that dictates the terms under which games can be made. For all the "MS is killing PC gaming" talk in this thread, MS does not do that. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but... It looks like Valve is going to do precisely that with SteamOS.
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September 26, 2013 8:24:35 PM

A lot of assumptions regarding how closed Steam OS is going to be.

First off, it's Linux! Even if its a "more closed" flavor, the fact that Nvidia is making real drivers AND more programming is based on Open GL rather than Direct X is a big deal.

@back_by_demand AOE and Flight Sim? That's the best you can come up with for Microsoft supporting PC? AOE has been discontinued since they killed the real AOE developer Ensemble studios, and the AOE online is getting no future support. Flight Sim is also on life support.

Finally, @stevejnb Your main crux seems to be DRM and Steam getting a cut of everything like a Windows market place. Lets see this all play out before making those assumptions, while Steam OS may be the best gaming Linux platform ever, they've build a level of trust and dedication to the gaming community Microsoft hasn't demonstrated in over a decade. I think its worth giving them the benefit of the doubt before you suggest they are trying to pull an Xbone.

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September 27, 2013 12:07:49 AM

WOW! How do you spell gullible Tom's Hardware? Are you really that naive to say so? Where's your source?
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