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September 25, 2013 7:19:08 PM

noooooooooooo! Its gonna ruin it fo rAMD cards :(  NVIDIA has some tricks up their sleeve!
September 25, 2013 7:21:57 PM

I doubt it will ruin anything for AMD card users. $team has no desire to ruin their experience for anybody.
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September 25, 2013 7:23:36 PM

Video performance in linux always behind other OS. Glad to see Nvidia stepping in to help address that. Going to guess in exchange for that kind of help for Steam is advertisement on the platform. I wonder if ATI-AMD will do the same?

I love ATI cards but linux video drivers always give me stability issues. I've heard it's the same issue for both companies.
September 25, 2013 7:36:01 PM

This is a bit puzzling. AMD is listed on the Steam store page as one of their "partners". Either Nvidia is pulling a stunt, or partnership ain't all it's cracked up to be.
September 25, 2013 7:37:37 PM

"To deliver an open-platform gaming experience with superior performance and uncompromising visuals directly on the big screen."

Open-platform? Like a PC, but less open.
September 25, 2013 7:53:27 PM

Haha love the last bit in the article:
"The final piece of the Valve puzzle will be revealed on Friday. We already know what that will be, and it's not Source 2 as the supposed Valve employee suggested."

Good to know but still the second announcement on the leak turned out to be true. Valve made 3 announcements, revealed every 3 days, on the 9th month of the year 2013 and 9/3 = 3 so If the last announcement isn't half-life 3 they are worse trolls than EA.
September 25, 2013 8:01:09 PM

NVidia believes in "the importance of open-platform innovation"....yet they don't really believe in open source or open standards. If NVidia actually believed in open-platform innovation, PhysX wouldn't require CUDA, but instead would be OpenCL based.
September 25, 2013 8:45:18 PM

AMD driver support is a joke outside of windows. Nvidia's has much better linux drivers and also BSD/Solaris drivers for years; so It's fair to say they support the advancement of open OSs
September 25, 2013 8:46:02 PM

"The final piece of the Valve puzzle will be revealed on Friday. We already know what that will be, and it's not Source 2 as the supposed Valve employee suggested."

If you already know then why don't you just tell us!
September 25, 2013 8:53:47 PM

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AMD driver support is a joke outside of windows. Nvidia's has much better linux drivers and also BSD/Solaris drivers for years; so It's fair to say they support the advancement of open OSs

BOTH have garbage support in Linux.
September 25, 2013 8:58:03 PM

bad to amd again, nvidia must impose some bad micro code inside the OS so that the performance of AMD component fall behind.
before nvidia enter the industry, such bad behavior did not occur.
September 25, 2013 9:24:06 PM

Unless someone manages to hack DirectX into SteamOS I will not bother. Not having DX means I would not be able to play 90%+ of the games I have on steam. I will not install an OS that locks me out of 100+ of my games.
September 25, 2013 10:27:30 PM

Unless SteamOS can play every one of my 300 Steam games then it will not be for me. The last time I tried Linux Steam I had something like 6 games out of over 250 that could be installed. Even OS X had only 66 but that is atleast better than Linux.

When my games can be played on Linux with out the use of Wine I might give it a try but until then it is of no use. I wish they would get Half-Life Episode 3 out instead of this crap.
September 26, 2013 3:36:51 AM

Nvidia's trying to get in on this one, since AMD owns the console market right now.
September 26, 2013 3:41:41 AM

Darkk said:
Video performance in linux always behind other OS. Glad to see Nvidia stepping in to help address that. Going to guess in exchange for that kind of help for Steam is advertisement on the platform. I wonder if ATI-AMD will do the same?

I love ATI cards but linux video drivers always give me stability issues. I've heard it's the same issue for both companies.

No, its mostly runs great on nvidia cards(they have been supporting linux a lot), while amd dont have any working drivers for most linux builds, a firend is in coding and programming he was working with blender on linux and just because he bought ati card he could no longer do it in linux and he had to instal it on windows
September 26, 2013 5:27:00 AM

cemerian said:
Darkk said:
Video performance in linux always behind other OS. Glad to see Nvidia stepping in to help address that. Going to guess in exchange for that kind of help for Steam is advertisement on the platform. I wonder if ATI-AMD will do the same?

I love ATI cards but linux video drivers always give me stability issues. I've heard it's the same issue for both companies.

No, its mostly runs great on nvidia cards(they have been supporting linux a lot), while amd dont have any working drivers for most linux builds, a firend is in coding and programming he was working with blender on linux and just because he bought ati card he could no longer do it in linux and he had to instal it on windows


http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/18/linus-torvalds-nvidi...
September 26, 2013 7:23:36 AM

My PC is ready.
September 26, 2013 8:42:15 AM

oh NVidia is doing things to do with Linux now valve is pushing it?
what a surprise...
lets hope they don't put something in it to screw with AMD users because I wouldn't put it past NVidia to do something like that
September 26, 2013 9:45:54 AM

"This means that anyone can build hardware and software for use in the living room, on an operating system designed to be lightweight, extensible and optimized for gaming. Suffice to say, we here at NVIDIA are very excited! Cause we screwed the pooch with Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony!"
September 26, 2013 9:48:57 AM

As someone who has to deal with Linux drivers on a variety machines I can say say with some certainty about the evolution of the drivers. nVidia started with good drivers early and for the last few years has had garbage driver support for Linux. The situation only improved once they started developing the SteamBox. AMD's started off horribly but has over the last few years AMD's had decent support but it's always behind the Windows versions. My guess is that nVidia has done all that they're going to do to keep they're Linux drivers up to date.

The major complaint people have is that nVidia opensources more of their driver code than AMD, that doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the code.
September 26, 2013 10:24:45 AM

Lol thanks for linking that Bill Reinhardt. When I read about SteamOS, it prompted the memory of Torvalds attitude towards Nvidia.
September 26, 2013 10:49:44 AM

"When my games can be played on Linux without the use of Wine I might give it a try"

That's likely never going to happen. Most developers have moved on from their published titles, some might go back and make it linux compatible, but most won't, unless you know how to re-code a game without the source, or even with it, you'll likely always have to use Wine for most windows games, depending on how old your library runs and what it consists of. (Or dual boot at the least.)

This might however give developers a push to move to linux in the future and make their games compatible.
September 26, 2013 11:10:58 AM

bluestar2k11 said:
"When my games can be played on Linux without the use of Wine I might give it a try"

That's likely never going to happen. Most developers have moved on from their published titles, some might go back and make it linux compatible, but most won't, unless you know how to re-code a game without the source, or even with it, you'll likely always have to use Wine for most windows games, depending on how old your library runs and what it consists of. (Or dual boot at the least.)

This might however give developers a push to move to linux in the future and make their games compatible.


We aren't talking about the devs going back and re-coding the games. We are talking about wanting some kind of API to come out capable of running DirectX based games without requiring a windows OS. I will not use SteamOS unless they manage to do that, because it would lock me out of at least 130 of my 160+ games.
September 26, 2013 2:03:05 PM

Bill Reinhardt said:
cemerian said:
Darkk said:
Video performance in linux always behind other OS. Glad to see Nvidia stepping in to help address that. Going to guess in exchange for that kind of help for Steam is advertisement on the platform. I wonder if ATI-AMD will do the same?

I love ATI cards but linux video drivers always give me stability issues. I've heard it's the same issue for both companies.

No, its mostly runs great on nvidia cards(they have been supporting linux a lot), while amd dont have any working drivers for most linux builds, a firend is in coding and programming he was working with blender on linux and just because he bought ati card he could no longer do it in linux and he had to instal it on windows


http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/18/linus-torvalds-nvidi...


Yes, I've been thinking a lot about this and the implications of Mr. Torvalds hate speech against nVidia. Has nVidia decided to play things nicer now? nVidia has published NDA-free open GPU documentation:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ2...

So it seems that things are moving in a more positive direction. Either Linus has had an effect on them or it is a response to Intel and their development with Linux support for their embedded graphics hardware and as a preparation to secure a future position in the growing Linux based Android platform.

Another question that arises is; when will we begin to reap the fruits of AMD's more "cooperative" attitude towards the Linux world with more stable, reliable and efficient GPU drivers?
September 26, 2013 3:27:34 PM

Bill Reinhardt said:
cemerian said:
Darkk said:
Video performance in linux always behind other OS. Glad to see Nvidia stepping in to help address that. Going to guess in exchange for that kind of help for Steam is advertisement on the platform. I wonder if ATI-AMD will do the same?

I love ATI cards but linux video drivers always give me stability issues. I've heard it's the same issue for both companies.

No, its mostly runs great on nvidia cards(they have been supporting linux a lot), while amd dont have any working drivers for most linux builds, a firend is in coding and programming he was working with blender on linux and just because he bought ati card he could no longer do it in linux and he had to instal it on windows


http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/18/linus-torvalds-nvidi...


They released drivers a few months later speeding things up 100% as Valve notes in the article here. More than that they also mention the documentation they wrote here too. Either way, anything that gets us Valves games on Linux (all of steam I mean, and they are converting as fast as they can, already 200 titles) and helps to kill Directx is GREAT. If MS didn't have a stranglehold on gaming and office the OS would be $50 for ultimate edition and the next Office version would be $50 instead of $500. Also games made for say, OpenGL, HTML5, WebGL, Java etc are easily ported between linux, windows, android, ios. ONE GAME made NOT on DirectX, runs on all.

If AMD can't get a decent linux driver out it isn't NV's fault. It's lack of funding to even get WINDOWS drivers correct for the last gen even after 2yrs! You can thank all the free games and low prices (leading to ZERO profits) for crappy drivers.

Linus is a whiner at times. This was one of them.
September 26, 2013 4:00:31 PM

DiaSin said:
bluestar2k11 said:
"When my games can be played on Linux without the use of Wine I might give it a try"

That's likely never going to happen. Most developers have moved on from their published titles, some might go back and make it linux compatible, but most won't, unless you know how to re-code a game without the source, or even with it, you'll likely always have to use Wine for most windows games, depending on how old your library runs and what it consists of. (Or dual boot at the least.)

This might however give developers a push to move to linux in the future and make their games compatible.


We aren't talking about the devs going back and re-coding the games. We are talking about wanting some kind of API to come out capable of running DirectX based games without requiring a windows OS. I will not use SteamOS unless they manage to do that, because it would lock me out of at least 130 of my 160+ games.


I'm sure they'll work on converting (recoding) the most popular titles (and many already run dx or opengl, like unreal type stuff where you can run under either, even my old wizardry games did this), but just making Half-Life 3 exclusive to steamos will add tons of users for it. Valve doesn't have to make much for a while off getting us over to steamOS, they just have to break even while expanding the base big time.

This running all your windows games isn't needed anyway...Their answer is DUAL BOOT. This is not complicated and gives you all your windows games. The future isn't windows, it's OPEN (as in OpenGL, WebGL, HTML5, Java) where you make a game ONCE and do simple porting for everywhere else. Like porting Unreal3 engine to firefox in 4 days...LOL. I think they used Java/Ajax or something. But it runs great on anything that runs firefox. This type of stuff is the future.
September 27, 2013 12:30:23 AM

somebodyspecial said:
DiaSin said:
bluestar2k11 said:
"When my games can be played on Linux without the use of Wine I might give it a try"

That's likely never going to happen. Most developers have moved on from their published titles, some might go back and make it linux compatible, but most won't, unless you know how to re-code a game without the source, or even with it, you'll likely always have to use Wine for most windows games, depending on how old your library runs and what it consists of. (Or dual boot at the least.)

This might however give developers a push to move to linux in the future and make their games compatible.


We aren't talking about the devs going back and re-coding the games. We are talking about wanting some kind of API to come out capable of running DirectX based games without requiring a windows OS. I will not use SteamOS unless they manage to do that, because it would lock me out of at least 130 of my 160+ games.


I'm sure they'll work on converting (recoding) the most popular titles (and many already run dx or opengl, like unreal type stuff where you can run under either, even my old wizardry games did this), but just making Half-Life 3 exclusive to steamos will add tons of users for it. Valve doesn't have to make much for a while off getting us over to steamOS, they just have to break even while expanding the base big time.

This running all your windows games isn't needed anyway...Their answer is DUAL BOOT. This is not complicated and gives you all your windows games. The future isn't windows, it's OPEN (as in OpenGL, WebGL, HTML5, Java) where you make a game ONCE and do simple porting for everywhere else. Like porting Unreal3 engine to firefox in 4 days...LOL. I think they used Java/Ajax or something. But it runs great on anything that runs firefox. This type of stuff is the future.


I agree, openness is the future, but for me, I do not see a point in running SteamOS anytime soon, when there are not that many games being released that are capable of running on it. When the number of new releases capable of running on it is the majority, and not the minority I will think about it. Like I said before.. we need some kind of new API that is capable of running DirectX 11 games.
September 28, 2013 9:08:36 AM

I have a feeling that you might need to disable secure boot in order to use SteamOS. Unless it uses GRUB. Then you're probably fine.
September 28, 2013 9:37:08 AM

mynith said:
I have a feeling that you might need to disable secure boot in order to use SteamOS. Unless it uses GRUB. Then you're probably fine.

Secureboot is a defective monopolizing tactic by M$ and should be disabled anyway.

It messes up quite a few things while trying to fix a problem that is relatively rare.
September 30, 2013 1:08:58 PM

NVidia is one of those companies where seeing their name makes me less likely to buy a product. I don't care if they're industry leaders, or have a monopoly, they have some of the crappiest policies, shadiest practices, and the worst respect for their consumers I've ever seen. Look up the CEO's comments about CUDA not working correctly on their 8800 series cards and you might understand why that was the last NVidia card I've ever owned. Not to mention that their drivers are almost entirely responsible for the vast majority of issues with Windows Vista.

Gabe Newell is quickly hitting NVidia's level of snobbery as well with complaints about Windows 8 RT (He just says Windows 8 though) for doing the exact same thing his company in now doing (a closed wall garden). And while I was fine with his complaints of closed wall environments, his Win 8 bashing (go find his quotes, a lot of them contain serious misinformation) is still taken as scripture and just shows a level of disrespect for the people in his industry I find hard to swallow.

I vote with my wallet though, and neither company has seen any significant money from me in years.

_WAter_
September 30, 2013 2:06:58 PM

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NVidia is one of those companies where seeing their name makes me less likely to buy a product. I don't care if they're industry leaders, or have a monopoly, they have some of the crappiest policies, shadiest practices, and the worst respect for their consumers I've ever seen. Look up the CEO's comments about CUDA not working correctly on their 8800 series cards and you might understand why that was the last NVidia card I've ever owned. Not to mention that their drivers are almost entirely responsible for the vast majority of issues with Windows Vista.

Agreed. Any the hybrid physx lockup which is undoubtedly anti-consumer and anti-competitive is one of the main reasons I do not buy NVidia. There business practices are immoral at best.
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