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XFX Radeon R9 280X Double Dissipation Surfaces

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September 29, 2013 6:40:04 PM

Mmm, these sexy new cardz...
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September 29, 2013 6:42:09 PM

And also these cards do not need cables to crossfire, AMD is on a roll!
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September 29, 2013 6:45:22 PM

My OCed ASUS 7970 DCU pulls the same as the 280X and is voltage unlocked. I only payed 250USD for it. Hmmmmm.... Also my Firestrike score is exactly the same (6750+).
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September 29, 2013 6:45:25 PM

My OCed ASUS 7970 DCU pulls the same as the 280X and is voltage unlocked. I only payed 250USD for it. Hmmmmm.... Also my Firestrike score is exactly the same (6750+).
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September 29, 2013 7:01:38 PM

meowmix44 said:
My OCed ASUS 7970 DCU pulls the same as the 280X and is voltage unlocked. I only payed 250USD for it. Hmmmmm.... Also my Firestrike score is exactly the same (6750+).


You are comparing an already overclocked cards benchmarks to a new reference cards benchmarks (which is a refreshed version of the 7970).

Considering the reference card starts at $300 instead of the initial $450+ for the 7970 GHz edition is a good sign that AMD is putting pressure on Nvidia.
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September 29, 2013 7:17:40 PM

If the R9-290X is not to bad in price I might just pick one up. But I will probably wait till there are more than just reference. After having a Vapor-X, its hard to go back to stock designs as it truly does make for a quieter GPU when gaming.
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September 29, 2013 7:59:14 PM

patrick47018 said:
And also these cards do not need cables to crossfire, AMD is on a roll!


I think that's only for the 290 cards.
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September 29, 2013 8:30:23 PM

Where is the whining and complaining that the 760/770 was met with?? Oh yeah. Apple level fanboism.
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September 29, 2013 8:39:12 PM

I don't get all the fuss about no longer needing a crossfire bridge. What was so bad about them?
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September 29, 2013 8:45:13 PM

hasten said:
Where is the whining and complaining that the 760/770 was met with?? Oh yeah. Apple level fanboism.


My local store for the Gigabyte cards :
2GB 680 : $399
2GB 770 : $469

Pay more for same hardware but newer branding, sounds Apple to me.
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September 29, 2013 9:09:53 PM

i wouldnt be so quick to consider crossfiring amd cards
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September 29, 2013 9:57:19 PM

the only problem i have with it, is it's XFX, they don't honor their warranties and treat their customers like dirt and use 2nd hand low quality parts.
i don't know of any one who has never been screwed by xfx.
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September 29, 2013 11:08:25 PM

opmopadop said:
hasten said:
Where is the whining and complaining that the 760/770 was met with?? Oh yeah. Apple level fanboism.


My local store for the Gigabyte cards :
2GB 680 : $399
2GB 770 : $469

Pay more for same hardware but newer branding, sounds Apple to me.


Could you provide a link? I'm guessing you probably won't for one of the following reasons:

A: You're actually referring to a non reference 4GB card
B: Your local store is located somewhere in eastern Europe... or India
C: Your local store, like many local stores, inflates the prices on practically all of their hardware
D: You live in the US or Canada, in which case you made one hell of a pathetic argument
E: Oh, your local store happens to not have a website...

The MSRP for the 770 is $400, and it's not at all difficult to find one for ~$380 right now. If your local store is charging you $470 for a stock card, you're being ripped off, and you know it.
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September 30, 2013 1:21:38 AM

www.msy.com.au

And before you crack the sads you can clearly see they are both 2GB cards, and with a minute of googling you will see both run at 1,137Mh Core Clock (the 680 has a slightly higher boost clock).
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September 30, 2013 2:07:03 AM

I have to say, I was a bit annoyed that my XFX 4830 never liked overclocking despite the significant heatsink on the thing...
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September 30, 2013 2:34:40 AM

f-14: I for one ONLY bought and recommended XFX for years specifically for their "Double Lifetime Warranty". They don't offer it anymore, but I, my brother, and a couple of my friends have been using the first or second (resale) warranty for years, since they would offer an substantial upgrade for near nothing once the card was 2 gens old.
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September 30, 2013 3:32:56 AM

That depends on where you live. I live in Poaland and a 770 in theor should be 1187 PLN (acording to your price), but its 1500 or more ( internet prices, so lowest possible).
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September 30, 2013 4:52:11 AM

opmopadop said:
www.msy.com.au

And before you crack the sads you can clearly see they are both 2GB cards, and with a minute of googling you will see both run at 1,137Mh Core Clock (the 680 has a slightly higher boost clock).


Oh and with a little more googling you can see the 770 is a slightly better card. Also every 680 I see is 450-500. While every 770 I see it 350-450 for the 2GB models you referenced. What are you going on about again? Just because the prices get inflated in your country does not mean that is what happens elsewhere.

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September 30, 2013 5:39:43 AM

walter87 said:
meowmix44 said:
My OCed ASUS 7970 DCU pulls the same as the 280X and is voltage unlocked. I only payed 250USD for it. Hmmmmm.... Also my Firestrike score is exactly the same (6750+).


You are comparing an already overclocked cards benchmarks to a new reference cards benchmarks (which is a refreshed version of the 7970).

Considering the reference card starts at $300 instead of the initial $450+ for the 7970 GHz edition is a good sign that AMD is putting pressure on Nvidia.


You sir are a fool. This is a TERRIBLE sign, as this just means AMD won't make profits for another quarter. People like you don't seem to understand you have to make money. AMD has lost 6B+ in the last 10yrs. When will people like you pull their heads out and start saying AMD NEEDS TO CHARGE MORE MONEY! You are the reason their cpus have no R&D and suck. You are the reason their GPU drivers suck. You and everyone else asking for low prices are the reason AMD sucks these days and will continue for ages. Nobody will put pressure on NV with large debt and no cash (vs. the exact opposite for NV, no debt and 3B cash). NV will laugh, lower prices to break even and watch as AMD just gets weaker.

WAKE UP.
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September 30, 2013 5:42:55 AM

jasonpwns said:

Oh and with a little more googling you can see the 770 is a slightly better card. Also every 680 I see is 450-500. While every 770 I see it 350-450 for the 2GB models you referenced. What are you going on about again? Just because the prices get inflated in your country does not mean that is what happens elsewhere.



Fair call, every country is indeed different. At the end of the day they are both amazing value, well any of the cards around $400 I would be happy with. I wasn't meant to pick on nvidia either as the same screwy prices will happen with AMD no doubt. I was just seeing if the 680/770 fire was still burning, looks like it is.
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September 30, 2013 6:25:31 AM

Kudos to whomever came up with the idea to lock the voltage on the 7970's after selling them for months un-locked. Now to come out with this "NEW" design to be un-locked voltage.... please. But that is with most vendors not just XFX.
I am in the same boat as F-14. I would be FAR more interested if it were any company other than XFX. I have owned many XFX cards in the past and had to deal with their pathetic support on a few occasions(ME: I have Problem XYZ, my drivers are updated. XFX: Please be sure your drivers are up to date....), never getting the issue solved. Was just told by support it would be best to replace the cards as it would be too difficult for them to diagnose their issues.
Had two xfx5830's and three xfx7970 DD Black's to get acceptable cards. Any warranty is worthless when you have inferior hardware and non-existent support. XFX has done at least three silent revisions to the 7970 DD including changing available output ports and the said voltage lock. The DD cooler is a joke, I questioned XFX about its poor performance and I was ignored. Specifically, how does a vapor chamber work upside down? If I am missing something here please let me know.
TBH, looks to me like they just put a new shroud over the old heat sink and fans. I know some will think I am just another bashing XFX, but when you spend large amounts of money/time on products that lack quality and support I expect any reasonable person to feel the same. FYI, I am still running my XFX 7970 DD waiting on the new GPUs to get rid of it. All these GPU's were from Newegg, they were the ones who replaced the defective cards with working ones not XFX.
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September 30, 2013 6:54:54 AM

+1 F14
Years ago I bought an XFX 5770 from newegg, my problem was the mail in rebate they didn't honor. I ran a near silent aftermarket cooler on that card, it was a good GPU.
But it was the last XFX product I bought. Sure XFX saved $20 bucks in 2010, but lost many sales to Asus since...
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September 30, 2013 7:46:20 AM

I have 2 4870 HD's right now, how much of an improvement will I see with 2 of these cards over what I have for the cost (which I did not see posted).
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September 30, 2013 8:27:05 AM

hasten said:
Where is the whining and complaining that the 760/770 was met with?? Oh yeah. Apple level fanboism.


I never have an issue with rebranding. But its normally done on the mid to low end. There was only 1 new GPU for the 700 series (and even that wasn't truly new just a cut down older model), there are two for the R9 series. I would have liked if there were more.
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September 30, 2013 10:25:28 AM

opmopadop said:
jasonpwns said:

Oh and with a little more googling you can see the 770 is a slightly better card. Also every 680 I see is 450-500. While every 770 I see it 350-450 for the 2GB models you referenced. What are you going on about again? Just because the prices get inflated in your country does not mean that is what happens elsewhere.



I wasn't meant to pick on nvidia either as the same screwy prices will happen with AMD no doubt. I was just seeing if the 680/770 fire was still burning, looks like it is.


Right... nice save. So it's option B combined with a level of dishonesty I didn't even consider. And even after I pointed this out you, somehow you still decided to give it one last shot and post a link, and concentrate solely on the first option I gave (idk, in the hopes that no one would read into it?) Maybe I'm giving you too much credit, an you actually had no idea what I was getting at. Sad thing is, it looks like at least 8 uninformed readers actually believed you.
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September 30, 2013 3:42:17 PM

somebodyspecial said:
walter87 said:
meowmix44 said:
My OCed ASUS 7970 DCU pulls the same as the 280X and is voltage unlocked. I only payed 250USD for it. Hmmmmm.... Also my Firestrike score is exactly the same (6750+).


You are comparing an already overclocked cards benchmarks to a new reference cards benchmarks (which is a refreshed version of the 7970).

Considering the reference card starts at $300 instead of the initial $450+ for the 7970 GHz edition is a good sign that AMD is putting pressure on Nvidia.


You sir are a fool. This is a TERRIBLE sign, as this just means AMD won't make profits for another quarter. People like you don't seem to understand you have to make money. AMD has lost 6B+ in the last 10yrs. When will people like you pull their heads out and start saying AMD NEEDS TO CHARGE MORE MONEY! You are the reason their cpus have no R&D and suck. You are the reason their GPU drivers suck. You and everyone else asking for low prices are the reason AMD sucks these days and will continue for ages. Nobody will put pressure on NV with large debt and no cash (vs. the exact opposite for NV, no debt and 3B cash). NV will laugh, lower prices to break even and watch as AMD just gets weaker.

WAKE UP.


Won't make profits? How do you know what the BOM cost is of this card? It its a refreshed variant of an existing card, so the total cost to produce, additional R&D, marketing etc is not the same as a brand new card all together. It's AMD's own interest to be profitable. Their last earning call, they even said they expect to be profitable next quarter. They need to show their investors. They won't sell their products at a lose just to regain marketshare.

AMD won't be selling these cards for a loss (they need the money). If anything, this drives competition when your'e paying $450-500 for same performance on an Nvidia card. If you were a recent Nvidia customer, how upset would you be if you could have saved a couple $100 for similar performance?

I take price to performance very seriously when contemplating a new card. Not sure about you. AMD will not sell these for a loss, and will entice more people to make the switch back to AMD.

You can still be very profitable by selling a ton of hardware at lower price margins. Most people go with the best value for their money. If you blindly pay more for the same, then you are a stupid consumer.
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October 1, 2013 1:36:24 AM

No striptease ?
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October 3, 2013 3:19:31 AM

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280X is, in fact, a refreshed version of the Radeon HD 7970 GHz edition


How is that a fact, oh dear so called journalist?
Does nVidia pay for this crap or you do this for free?

R7 series are rebranded, R9 ARE NOT!
http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-r9-280x-radeon-r7-260x-r...
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October 5, 2013 4:18:27 AM

walter87 said:
somebodyspecial said:
walter87 said:
meowmix44 said:
My OCed ASUS 7970 DCU pulls the same as the 280X and is voltage unlocked. I only payed 250USD for it. Hmmmmm.... Also my Firestrike score is exactly the same (6750+).


You are comparing an already overclocked cards benchmarks to a new reference cards benchmarks (which is a refreshed version of the 7970).

Considering the reference card starts at $300 instead of the initial $450+ for the 7970 GHz edition is a good sign that AMD is putting pressure on Nvidia.


You sir are a fool. This is a TERRIBLE sign, as this just means AMD won't make profits for another quarter. People like you don't seem to understand you have to make money. AMD has lost 6B+ in the last 10yrs. When will people like you pull their heads out and start saying AMD NEEDS TO CHARGE MORE MONEY! You are the reason their cpus have no R&D and suck. You are the reason their GPU drivers suck. You and everyone else asking for low prices are the reason AMD sucks these days and will continue for ages. Nobody will put pressure on NV with large debt and no cash (vs. the exact opposite for NV, no debt and 3B cash). NV will laugh, lower prices to break even and watch as AMD just gets weaker.

WAKE UP.


Won't make profits? How do you know what the BOM cost is of this card? It its a refreshed variant of an existing card, so the total cost to produce, additional R&D, marketing etc is not the same as a brand new card all together. It's AMD's own interest to be profitable. Their last earning call, they even said they expect to be profitable next quarter. They need to show their investors. They won't sell their products at a lose just to regain marketshare.

AMD won't be selling these cards for a loss (they need the money). If anything, this drives competition when your'e paying $450-500 for same performance on an Nvidia card. If you were a recent Nvidia customer, how upset would you be if you could have saved a couple $100 for similar performance?

I take price to performance very seriously when contemplating a new card. Not sure about you. AMD will not sell these for a loss, and will entice more people to make the switch back to AMD.

You can still be very profitable by selling a ton of hardware at lower price margins. Most people go with the best value for their money. If you blindly pay more for the same, then you are a stupid consumer.


They haven't made profits in ages yearly. So what I'm saying is true. You're not selling for enough TODAY if you aren't making money. I'm not sure how I can put it if you're confused. Today the gpu division makes ZERO. So you're not selling for a profit correct? Quit giving free games with every card maybe you'll take home some ACTUAL profits. Check the Quarterly report and you'll see the gpu division made ZERO. Last year (IIRC) they barely made a few million. You can't do that when NV makes 500-600mil. They sell 1/3 of the cards that NV does. So I'm not quite sure where you're getting that they're going to magically sell HUGE volumes at low margins and get rich. You get rich on XEONS, not on Celerons. Titan's/780's shoved up margins/profits/revenue at NV (they said they're selling every one), not the GTX 640's.

Nobody sells LARGE volumes of $400-1000 cards, but they make a killing on the ones they do sell.. Which is good or most of us wouldn't be getting great $200 cards that are WORTH buying.

If they actual manage to BEAT Titan in 90% of the games, and don't price the card ABOVE Titan, AMD is STUPID. Cash in while you can or keep losing money. They say they'll be profitable because of xmas consoles (which they already sold chips to), but after that back to losing money as the world+dog ignores consoles once launched everywhere. At single or low double digit margins they won't get more than 100-200mil/year from this. That kind of profit won't cover the CPU losses each quarter (25-50mil/quarter PROFITS if all goes GREAT in consoles).

You need to read quarterly reports. Also EXPECTING to be profitable and ACTUALLY being profitable are two very different things. I will WAIT and see :)  Also is profitable 1million, or 150million this Q like NV? Is profitable $50 bucks?...LOL.
http://investing.money.msn.com/investments/financial-st...
AMD hasn't made more than 500mil in the last 10yrs. NV does it every year and with FAR less revenue. Translation:AMD NEEDS TO CHARGE MORE and quit cutting prices (which NV will do no problem, they like more money). AMD is only broke because they are choosing to fight a PRICE WAR that Jen Hsung has said he doesn't want. He wants a higher share price, but AMD keeps thinking you can price a company to death when you're broke and the other guy is rich. YOU CAN'T.

In fact as you can see from the 10yr summary, they have lost ~6Billion over that last 10yrs. OUCH. When will their madness on pricing end?
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October 5, 2013 9:50:54 PM

please make it happen as a single slot card,i dont wanna waste any of my PCIe slot for this.
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October 6, 2013 12:19:59 AM

kartu said:
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280X is, in fact, a refreshed version of the Radeon HD 7970 GHz edition


How is that a fact, oh dear so called journalist?
Does nVidia pay for this crap or you do this for free?

R7 series are rebranded, R9 ARE NOT!
http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-r9-280x-radeon-r7-260x-r...



Um your own link just proved you wrong. The R9-280s are all just Tahiti XT cores which are the current HD7970GHz cores. There is nothing new about the R9-280 series at all, even the Tahiti XT Matrix core is not even new.

Sapphire had a Toxic version of the HD7970 which featured a clock speed of 1100MHz and the ability to go to 1200MHz and memory speeds up to 6400MHz or GDDR5 1600MHz with that 1200MHz core speed.

http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/produc...

Its the R9-290 and 290X that's are new GPUs and the R7-260X is just a HD7790 (which is GCN 2.0 like the R9-290 series).
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October 15, 2013 3:42:50 AM

looks great, but my two XFX 7950 DD cards had shocking cooling, the worst I've ever known on a graphics card. The size of the cooler was sacrificed for a good looking shroud. Running the valley benchmark, the GPU got up to 95C and rear of the PCB was 90C, with the card above it sucking in the hot air from the lower card. Just 1.5 minutes of Kombuster had the temps up to 80C with the fans at 75%! They simply couldn't control the temperature, even though they we at stock clocks. The styling of this R9-280X looks like it has a similar small heatsink and this card is based on a 7970 with even more heat to dissipate. I would expect this card also to run very hot and the fans to be ok 70%+ most of the time when gaming.
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