Recommended CPU Socket for Longevity of My System

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I am going to be building a gaming/photoshop pc that I want to last for the next 5-7 years with some upgrades along the way. I was thinking of going with the i7 4770k but I have read you should go with a lga 2011 socket cpu so you can upgrade it in the future. I want to know if its worth getting a lga 2011 cpu? I would probably go for the i7 4820k if it is a good idea to go with lga 2011. I would really appreciate some advice.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Intel is going to stop having sockets altogether soon. As a result, maximum longevity will come from an AMD AM3+ socket. They've already pledged that their next line of FX processors will use AM3+. Intel has a record of changing sockets every generation for no good reason (other than to make you buy their chipset again). That's assuming that there will even be a socket in their next generation.

 

[16bit]

Intel is going to stop having sockets altogether soon. As a result, maximum longevity will come from an AMD AM3+ socket. They've already pledged that their next line of FX processors will use AM3+. Intel has a record of changing sockets every generation for no good reason (other than to make you buy their chipset again). That's assuming that there will even be a socket in their next generation.

What is intel going to do? Integrate the cpu's into the motherboard?

Thanks for that info, I will have to consider and AMD FX processor.

 

[Gaidax]

Intel is going to stop having sockets altogether soon. As a result, maximum longevity will come from an AMD AM3+ socket. They've already pledged that their next line of FX processors will use AM3+. Intel has a record of changing sockets every generation for no good reason (other than to make you buy their chipset again). That's assuming that there will even be a socket in their next generation.

This is not true.

They will have some OEM versions out there which come with CPU/Motherboard soldered together, but other than that - no plans to switch to that type of solution.

Get socket 1150 for INTEL. It will be good for a time being.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Intel is going to stop having sockets altogether soon. As a result, maximum longevity will come from an AMD AM3+ socket. They've already pledged that their next line of FX processors will use AM3+. Intel has a record of changing sockets every generation for no good reason (other than to make you buy their chipset again). That's assuming that there will even be a socket in their next generation.

This is not true.

They will have some OEM versions out there which come with CPU/Motherboard soldered together, but other than that - no plans to switch to that type of solution.

Get socket 1150 for INTEL. It will be good for a time being.

No, they intend to have motherboard makers SOLDER the CPUs onto the motherboards. That way, they will control the entire market. They may even solder them onto their own boards and cut out the board partners completely. This is common knowledge, how can you not have heard about it?
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/innovation/blogs/smoke--mirrors/intel-socket-decision-may-kill-pc-soul-20121129-2ahll.html
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/141443-leaked-intel-roadmap-shows-the-end-of-socketed-cpus-the-end-of-upgradable-pc
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57555305-92/intel-to-kill-off-desktop-as-we-know-it-reports-claim/
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Intels-Broadwell-Goes-BGA-Only-Implications-Future-Desktops
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/18/intel-proves-pcs-coming-back/
Is that good enough for you? LOL

And good for the time being? You mean this generation. Intel changes sockets as often as they change their socks.

 

[16bit]

Intel is going to stop having sockets altogether soon. As a result, maximum longevity will come from an AMD AM3+ socket. They've already pledged that their next line of FX processors will use AM3+. Intel has a record of changing sockets every generation for no good reason (other than to make you buy their chipset again). That's assuming that there will even be a socket in their next generation.

This is not true.

They will have some OEM versions out there which come with CPU/Motherboard soldered together, but other than that - no plans to switch to that type of solution.

Get socket 1150 for INTEL. It will be good for a time being.

No, they intend to have motherboard makers SOLDER the CPUs onto the motherboards. That way, they will control the entire market. They may even solder them onto their own boards and cut out the board partners completely. This is common knowledge, how can you not have heard about it?
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/innovation/blogs/smoke--mirrors/intel-socket-decision-may-kill-pc-soul-20121129-2ahll.html
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/141443-leaked-intel-roadmap-shows-the-end-of-socketed-cpus-the-end-of-upgradable-pc
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57555305-92/intel-to-kill-off-desktop-as-we-know-it-reports-claim/
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Intels-Broadwell-Goes-BGA-Only-Implications-Future-Desktops
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/18/intel-proves-pcs-coming-back/
Is that good enough for you? LOL

And good for the time being? You mean this generation. Intel changes sockets as often as they change their socks.

Is there even a need to upgrade the cpu before 5-6 years? I won't be doing much overclocking if any.

 

[jaguarskx]

Broadwell CPU will be for OEMs only; i.e. soldered into the mobo. However, Intel's Skylake CPUs (2015) will be "socketed" CPUs. However, they will not be compatible with socket 1150 motherboards; a different socket altogether.

There is no current information (at least to the best of my knowledge) with socket AM3+. Back in 2012 AMD pledged socket AM3+ will survive into 2015. However, their continuing financial situation may have changed that stance. Somewhat recently, AMD announced they will not continue the FX CPU series.

Whether that means they are abandoning socket AM3+ or if that simply means they will release a "name" line of CPUs for for socket AM3+ is unknown. Steamroller is the successor to Piledriver, however, so far it is only going to be released for socket FM2+.

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Not too long ago there was someone who posted a thread about wanting to upgrade his Core i7-920 from 2008 to either a A10-6800k or FX-8320. He wanted better performance and he did not want to pay "Intel Prices". I provided him with several CPU benchmarks for games using either the GTX 690, GTX Titan or Radeon HD 7970 depending on the game benchmarked. Those charts clearly showed that the A10-6800k (this year) was simply inferior and the FX-8320 (released in 2012) at best may only provide a marginal increase in performance. The poster then decided to Crossfire his Radeon HD 7870.

The moral of the story??? While the poster may have paid more for an Intel CPU at the beginning, it has saved him money in the end. Based on the performance of his aging i7-920 he simply did not need to waste money "upgrading" to AMD. Good thing he posted his question here at THG. Otherwise, he would have wasted money "upgrading".

My advice is to simply buy an Intel CPU. Either the i5-4670k, i7-4770k or the six core i7-4930k if you have $600 to spend.

 

[16bit]

Broadwell CPU will be for OEMs only; i.e. soldered into the mobo. However, Intel's Skylake CPUs (2015) will be "socketed" CPUs. However, they will not be compatible with socket 1150 motherboards; a different socket altogether.

There is no current information (at least to the best of my knowledge) with socket AM3+. Back in 2012 AMD pledged socket AM3+ will survive into 2015. However, their continuing financial situation may have changed that stance. Somewhat recently, AMD announced they will not continue the FX CPU series.

Whether that means they are abandoning socket AM3+ or if that simply means they will release a "name" line of CPUs for for socket AM3+ is unknown. Steamroller is the successor to Piledriver, however, so far it is only going to be released for socket FM2+.

================================


Not too long ago there was someone who posted a thread about wanting to upgrade his Core i7-920 from 2008 to either a A10-6800k or FX-8320. He wanted better performance and he did not want to pay "Intel Prices". I provided him with several CPU benchmarks for games using either the GTX 690, GTX Titan or Radeon HD 7970 depending on the game benchmarked. Those charts clearly showed that the A10-6800k (this year) was simply inferior and the FX-8320 (released in 2012) at best may only provide a marginal increase in performance. The poster then decided to Crossfire his Radeon HD 7870.

The moral of the story??? While the poster may have paid more for an Intel CPU at the beginning, it has saved him money in the end. Based on the performance of his aging i7-920 he simply did not need to waste money "upgrading" to AMD. Good thing he posted his question here at THG. Otherwise, he would have wasted money "upgrading".

My advice is to simply buy an Intel CPU. Either the i5-4670k, i7-4770k or the six core i7-4930k if you have $600 to spend.

Do you think I should just go with the 4770k?

 

[8350rocks]

Broadwell CPU will be for OEMs only; i.e. soldered into the mobo. However, Intel's Skylake CPUs (2015) will be "socketed" CPUs. However, they will not be compatible with socket 1150 motherboards; a different socket altogether.

There is no current information (at least to the best of my knowledge) with socket AM3+. Back in 2012 AMD pledged socket AM3+ will survive into 2015. However, their continuing financial situation may have changed that stance. Somewhat recently, AMD announced they will not continue the FX CPU series.

Whether that means they are abandoning socket AM3+ or if that simply means they will release a "name" line of CPUs for for socket AM3+ is unknown. Steamroller is the successor to Piledriver, however, so far it is only going to be released for socket FM2+.

================================


Not too long ago there was someone who posted a thread about wanting to upgrade his Core i7-920 from 2008 to either a A10-6800k or FX-8320. He wanted better performance and he did not want to pay "Intel Prices". I provided him with several CPU benchmarks for games using either the GTX 690, GTX Titan or Radeon HD 7970 depending on the game benchmarked. Those charts clearly showed that the A10-6800k (this year) was simply inferior and the FX-8320 (released in 2012) at best may only provide a marginal increase in performance. The poster then decided to Crossfire his Radeon HD 7870.

The moral of the story??? While the poster may have paid more for an Intel CPU at the beginning, it has saved him money in the end. Based on the performance of his aging i7-920 he simply did not need to waste money "upgrading" to AMD. Good thing he posted his question here at THG. Otherwise, he would have wasted money "upgrading".

My advice is to simply buy an Intel CPU. Either the i5-4670k, i7-4770k or the six core i7-4930k if you have $600 to spend.

Do you think I should just go with the 4770k?

If you're going to be playing BF4, look at the 8320 or 8350 on a budget.

Things are going toward more cores and more threads already. BF4 runs on 7 threads.

If you want to dump a ton of money on a CPU that is *not* the architecture that console game designers are using to build their games around before they port them to PC, then buy Intel.

If you want to save yourself some money or use that money where it's better spent, on the GPU, then go AMD.

FX 8350 + R9 280X > 4770k + R9 270X

 

[jaguarskx]

The price difference between a FX-8350 and i5-4670k is not a "ton of money".

 

[8350rocks]

The price difference between a FX-8350 and i5-4670k is not a "ton of money".

I said 4770k, the 8350 outperforms the 4670k in BF4...plus the OP asked about the 4770k.

That difference is something like 80% more money for the 4770k, which is a ton of money.

 

[jaguarskx]

Do you think I should just go with the 4770k?

Depends...

From a gaming perspective BF 4 does benefit from hyper threading (HT) in multiplayer mode. All future BF games will likely do so as well. However, outside of the BF series mutliplayer mode, it is unknown what other games will benefit from HT. I recall that from a CPU performance chart of BF 4 Beta multiplayer that the i7-2600k was able to around 61 FPS using either a GTX 690 or Titan. The i5-2500k got 54 FPS. The FX-8350 tied with the i7. That is a pretty decent performance increase. However, it is unknown what other games can make use of HT. Technically speaking, any game using the Frostbite Engine (used by BF 4) can benefit from HT in multiplayer mode, but it might depend on which features of the Frostbite Engine is implemented.

I will guess you will be playing games other than BF so that means the benefits of having a CPU with HT capabilities will likely mean a big fat zero in terms of increased performance.

Since you use Photoshop you should look at those benchmarks (and any other programs that you use often) to help you determine which CPU is best for you; i5-4670k, i7-4770k or the FX-8350.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7003/the-haswell-review-intel-core-i74770k-i54560k-tested/7

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/61451-intel-haswell-i7-4770k-i5-4670k-review-13.html

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-4770k_9.html

http://www.techspot.com/review/679-intel-haswell-core-i7-4770k/page9.html

 

[8350rocks]

How about some photoshop benchmarks from Tom's Hardware? Shall we?

Second one is using premiere pro...however, you may do some encoding as well...

 

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Which cpu will have a longer life the i7 or the FX? If the i7 4770k has a significantly better life span in combination with it performing better than the fx8350 in cs6 in most cases would probably be worth the extra 140$. But on the other hand if I want to do some overclocking would it be better to go with the fx 8350 because it would be cheaper to replace if it goes out despite its slightly worse c6 performance?

 

[8350rocks]

Both should have long lives...CPU failure is remarkably rare. You're more likely to burn a motherboard than the CPU. (unless you do some crazy stuff with your voltage....)

 

[16bit]

Both should have long lives...CPU failure is remarkably rare. You're more likely to burn a motherboard than the CPU. (unless you do some crazy stuff with your voltage....)

So if I get a good quality overclocking board I should be good either way if I don't do anything crazy right?

 

[Guest]

Intel is going to stop having sockets altogether soon. As a result, maximum longevity will come from an AMD AM3+ socket. They've already pledged that their next line of FX processors will use AM3+. Intel has a record of changing sockets every generation for no good reason (other than to make you buy their chipset again). That's assuming that there will even be a socket in their next generation.

Nice fearmongering, but that is only for Broadwell which is an OEM only die shrink of Haswell.

 

[carlhil2]

AMD is competing with the i7 2500k/2600k, nothing more....

 

[16bit]

AMD is competing with the i7 2500k/2600k, nothing more....

Are you saying the FX-8350 competes with older intel i7 2500k/2600k?

 

[carlhil2]

AMD is competing with the i7 2500k/2600k, nothing more....

Are you saying the FX-8350 competes with older intel i7 2500k/2600k?

Well, they surely not competing with/Haswell/IB-E.....i would only get the AMD chips if i were gaming on a budget, even then, i would go intel....not flaming, just my opinion...

 

[16bit]

If I were to go with an intel i7 which one the i7 4820k or the i7 4770k.
The 4820k seems better than the 4770k. It has a faster clock speed, more cache, and its cheaper than the 4770k. http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-vs-Intel-Core-I7-4820k Is there any reason to pick the 4770k? Does one or the other have better motherboard options?

 

[8350rocks]

AMD is competing with the i7 2500k/2600k, nothing more....

Are you saying the FX-8350 competes with older intel i7 2500k/2600k?

Well, they surely not competing with/Haswell/IB-E.....i would only get the AMD chips if i were gaming on a budget, even then, i would go intel....not flaming, just my opinion...

Considering the 8350 beats the 4670k in BF4 beta benchmarks, I'd say you're just spreading rumors and speculation. Upcoming games will be geared much more heavily toward AMD architecture.

 

[16bit]

AMD is competing with the i7 2500k/2600k, nothing more....

Are you saying the FX-8350 competes with older intel i7 2500k/2600k?

Well, they surely not competing with/Haswell/IB-E.....i would only get the AMD chips if i were gaming on a budget, even then, i would go intel....not flaming, just my opinion...

Considering the 8350 beats the 4670k in BF4 beta benchmarks, I'd say you're just spreading rumors and speculation. Upcoming games will be geared much more heavily toward AMD architecture.

Are you saying they will be geared toward AMD architecture because the next gen consoles have 8 core AMD cpus in them? The i74770k has slightly better performance using all threads and better single core performance than the fx-8350.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-vs-AMD-FX-8350

 

[8350rocks]

AMD is competing with the i7 2500k/2600k, nothing more....

Are you saying the FX-8350 competes with older intel i7 2500k/2600k?

Well, they surely not competing with/Haswell/IB-E.....i would only get the AMD chips if i were gaming on a budget, even then, i would go intel....not flaming, just my opinion...

Considering the 8350 beats the 4670k in BF4 beta benchmarks, I'd say you're just spreading rumors and speculation. Upcoming games will be geared much more heavily toward AMD architecture.

Are you saying they will be geared toward AMD architecture because the next gen consoles have 8 core AMD cpus in them? The i74770k has slightly better performance using all threads and better single core performance than the fx-8350.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-vs-AMD-FX-8350

CPUboss isn't the most reliable site...that has been pointed out many times in the past...

If you look, their benchmarks are all using the ICC compiler, which generates less effective code for anything that has a CPUID other than "Genuine Intel"

 

[16bit]

AMD is competing with the i7 2500k/2600k, nothing more....

Are you saying the FX-8350 competes with older intel i7 2500k/2600k?

Well, they surely not competing with/Haswell/IB-E.....i would only get the AMD chips if i were gaming on a budget, even then, i would go intel....not flaming, just my opinion...

Considering the 8350 beats the 4670k in BF4 beta benchmarks, I'd say you're just spreading rumors and speculation. Upcoming games will be geared much more heavily toward AMD architecture.

Are you saying they will be geared toward AMD architecture because the next gen consoles have 8 core AMD cpus in them? The i74770k has slightly better performance using all threads and better single core performance than the fx-8350.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-vs-AMD-FX-8350

CPUboss isn't the most reliable site...that has been pointed out many times in the past...

If you look, their benchmarks are all using the ICC compiler, which generates less effective code for anything that has a CPUID other than "Genuine Intel"

I have read from multiple sites that the 4770k is slightly better which is probably what I will go with but I still haven't decided I might go with the 8350 if my budget requires it.