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Apple's New iPad Air and iPad Mini 2 Pack iPhone 5s' A7 Chip

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October 22, 2013 1:08:50 PM

Not too bad of price, still not sold on the A7 though.
October 22, 2013 1:16:54 PM

Not sure about the first post, but I think the price is too high. $300 for the old iPad Mini??? What a joke. I am surprised they gave the mini the new processor, I expected them to shove in the A6 (or some flavor of) and stick a plastic cover on it, with colors, to help their margins. I am really confused about comparing to the iPad 2, does that mean the second one released or the one that was just replaced?
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October 22, 2013 1:18:10 PM

400 for the mini!!!! Wow sure wasnt expecting that
October 22, 2013 1:19:59 PM

Apple's newest 7 inch tablet for just over the price of TWO of Google's or Amazon's. Ditto for the last year's models except Amazon and Google are too proud to put much (or any) effort into those.
October 22, 2013 1:28:04 PM

$400, your choice. iPad Mini Air OR Fire HDX for you and a Fire HD for the kids. Great Ad potential.
October 22, 2013 1:28:48 PM

Hm, but the A7 doubled the GPU performance of the A6, not A6X, yet in this keynote they said double the iPad 4/A6X. I wonder if they just meant the few specific tests that's true in, or if it's clocked higher than the iPhone version?

Given how many more pixels it has to push in the iPads, it would actually perform far worse at native than the 5S if the performance is the same.
October 22, 2013 1:40:01 PM

SWEET, its even lighter than the previous one!
October 22, 2013 2:08:52 PM

Geddoff Myazz said:
Apple's newest 7 inch tablet for just over the price of TWO of Google's or Amazon's. Ditto for the last year's models except Amazon and Google are too proud to put much (or any) effort into those.

It's 7.9 inch so it's half way between the Kindle 7 and 8.9. Better internals. No "special offers" ie targeted ads being pushed to your tablet. It may be a little pricey but it's not that bad. I was surprised it got the retina and A7. At $330 it would have been a steal and that's not apples style.
October 22, 2013 2:10:59 PM

Really? 400$ for the mini? That is robbery plain and simple.
Get a nexus tablet for 250$ and save your money!
October 22, 2013 2:16:54 PM

These things come with IOS...no thank you!!!!!!
October 22, 2013 2:19:54 PM

IPad 2? I thought there was an IPad 3 or an new IPad they never put a number to.....
October 22, 2013 2:20:43 PM

These things come with IOS...no thank you!!!!!!
October 22, 2013 2:26:51 PM

They copied the asymmetrical bezel from Nexus 7.
Still doesn't hold a candle to the Nexus.
Way to go, Apple. When you can't litigate, imitate (forget about innovate, that one has sailed long time ago).
October 22, 2013 2:27:35 PM

I keep seeing Kindle Fire detractors mentioning the "special offers" as though they were somehow different than what you see on every webpage to which you surf.

I have been using my Kindle Fire for quite some time now and yes, it's start-up page--instead of being some pretty picture of my own choice--is a full-page advertisement . . . Oh, the humanity . . . I don't even read it, I just swipe once and away I go.

Oh yeah, and when I am looking at my list of books or apps, at the very bottom of the page is a single row carousel of similar books, movies, apps, or songs to those I am choosing from.

The ads, for this user are pretty much unnoticeable.

This new iPad is a very nice piece of kit . . . pretty much the same as the Kindle Fire HDX with lower resolution . . .

Apps are where Apple has it all over it's competitors and then it's relevant only if you use those apps.

I have thought long and hard about the iPad, but I just can't justify paying more for it than a Kindle Fire. I can get equal productivity from either.
October 22, 2013 2:29:05 PM

wow even more people with a inferiority complex!!
October 22, 2013 2:43:56 PM

I think this was a good call - it gives current ipad users a thinner/lighter form factor to make it even easier to use on the go without sacrificing performance, it gives ipad mini users the option to upgrade for a high res display and better processor, and it gives people an inexpensive option at both size classes by continuing to offer the previous generation models. I personally don't have a need for a tablet because I have a Surface Pro from work but if I didn't, the iPad Air would be on my splurge list. Kinda expected them to add another device like an iPad Color using the old internal hardware from the iPad Mini but putting it in a plastic chassis a la the iPhone 5C but if they're going to keep manufacturing the old device or if they have a large enough supply to keep offering the original iPad Mini it wasn't really necessary.

Nothing earthshaking but I think they're both good devices
October 22, 2013 2:44:42 PM

I think this was a good call - it gives current ipad users a thinner/lighter form factor to make it even easier to use on the go without sacrificing performance, it gives ipad mini users the option to upgrade for a high res display and better processor, and it gives people an inexpensive option at both size classes by continuing to offer the previous generation models. I personally don't have a need for a tablet because I have a Surface Pro from work but if I didn't, the iPad Air would be on my splurge list. Kinda expected them to add another device like an iPad Color using the old internal hardware from the iPad Mini but putting it in a plastic chassis a la the iPhone 5C but if they're going to keep manufacturing the old device or if they have a large enough supply to keep offering the original iPad Mini it wasn't really necessary.

Nothing earthshaking but I think they're both good devices
October 22, 2013 3:09:33 PM

Not too bad of price, still not sold on the A7 though.
October 22, 2013 4:05:50 PM

chfireball said:
wow even more people with a inferiority complex!!


You got that right. They can't feel like they belong unless they enroll under Apple's flag. lol
October 22, 2013 4:14:40 PM

Nobody else realise that the thickness difference between the iPad 4 (8.6mm) and iPad Air (7.5mm) is far from 20%, its pretty much 13%. Still impressive but not close to 20%
October 22, 2013 4:15:52 PM

8.6mm to 7.5mm is 13%. Its still impressive but not even close to 20% thinner
October 22, 2013 5:36:15 PM

This is an absolute laugh.

$400 for the mini? A $30 price drop for last year's mini?

Even I'm shocked at how bad they are robbing people.
October 22, 2013 7:02:44 PM

the new mini is actually heavier (they did not mention it though as it is negative) and i think a bit 'fatter', cannot remember, but in terms of dimensions and weight, it is worst than the first mini.
yep, now the retina in the mini is a feature, it should have been there in the first mini.

as soon as they fix the issues with nexus 7, ill be getting that. this mini is priced too high
October 22, 2013 8:04:57 PM

Interesting choice to compare iPad 5 vs. iPad 2... What about the 3rd and 4th generations?
October 22, 2013 9:35:48 PM

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Really? 400$ for the mini? That is robbery plain and simple.
Get a nexus tablet for 250$ and save your money!

If you can get a Nexus tablet or phone, they are almost always the best value, as Google sells them at cost. Which is why they are often sold out, or not available at that lower price.
October 22, 2013 9:59:32 PM

retina was expected, in fact it should have been in the first mini. the first one was a rip off
October 22, 2013 10:07:02 PM

For the price you can buy a Win 8.1 Tablet with Temash. There really is not comparison on a performance level considering the small gains Apple makes in its processor.
October 22, 2013 10:30:15 PM

I think the new mini is great, with Retina display and A7 processor, though it costs RMB 2888 in China...
October 23, 2013 5:54:48 AM

The Samsung Galaxy blows the mini away, pretty sad Apple thinks they have cutting edge tech. Don't even get me started on the crappy Pro, it's about 1200$ in parts... I even had some newbs try telling me they'll put the 2700$ xeon in it... I thought it was cute they think they're special enough to get a 2700$ cpu in a 3000$ machine.. LOL and the best firepro out right now is slower than a 7950.. :) 
October 23, 2013 5:56:43 AM

Just got myself the Surface Pro 2, I know it's in a category above the ipad, but I'm hoping for the future of the Surface (rt). Though I'm still not sold completely on anything that's non-x86.. I was impressed with the Galaxy stats vs the ipad tho
October 23, 2013 8:40:56 AM

house70:

You are completely correct. Apple doesn't innovate at all. I mean, it's not like they develop/design their own CPUs or anything, right? There are tons of 64 bit APUs available off the shelf. Innovation has nothing to do with things like that, it has to do with the size of the screen. The rest is irrelevant. Who needs a smooth, rock solid (at least in iOS 6, not so much in iOS 7) OS, when you can have a nice OS that has been bastardized six ways to Sunday (except for the Nexus line).

Kostas
October 23, 2013 10:51:33 AM

Cons29 said:
the new mini is actually heavier (they did not mention it though as it is negative) and i think a bit 'fatter', cannot remember, but in terms of dimensions and weight, it is worst than the first mini.
yep, now the retina in the mini is a feature, it should have been there in the first mini.

as soon as they fix the issues with nexus 7, ill be getting that. this mini is priced too high

Got the Nexus 2013, no issues here. Of course, some devices will have flaws, but there is nothing systemically going on (like the accelerometer problems on iphone 5S, for instance). If you want it, go for it. I have the 32GB LTE model and loving every minute with it.
Compared to Apple's prices, it's a steal, considering the more advanced Android OS and the overall quality of the hardware.
October 23, 2013 10:57:42 AM

Kostas Kritsilas said:
house70:

You are completely correct. Apple doesn't innovate at all. I mean, it's not like they develop/design their own CPUs or anything, right? There are tons of 64 bit APUs available off the shelf. Innovation has nothing to do with things like that, it has to do with the size of the screen. The rest is irrelevant. Who needs a smooth, rock solid (at least in iOS 6, not so much in iOS 7) OS, when you can have a nice OS that has been bastardized six ways to Sunday (except for the Nexus line).

Kostas


My bad. How could I ignore the completely useless (for now) 64 bit CPU in there. I was just blindsided by all the side-by-side comparisons available out there, all showing that Nexus 7 has the mini iPad beat at almost all categories. It won't happen again. Probably the fact that iOS 7 was the least desired (without any way to reverse it, either) update in that "solid" OS you mentioned ( I can't recall any other mobile OS updates that had so many users wish they never updates it in the first place - there are plenty of forums that decry that) had me confused or something.
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