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Navy Launches Next-Generation Stealth Destroyer

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November 2, 2013 10:15:21 AM

"Due to budget cuts, there were originally 32 ships of the class planned, but over time, that's been cut down to just three, causing a huge increase in the cost-per-ship, especially when research and development is taken into account."

- This sounds like the F-35 Lightning II through its development. Tons of cash dumped into it (F-35), and it only got worse since day one...
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November 2, 2013 10:18:22 AM

Yet people are starving, cannot find work, living in alleyways, dying because they cannot afford health care. YAY! go US. BUT, the US gov. has this big pretty ship and a whole bunch of stuff that for "national security" nobody can know about or benefit publicly from the technological developments our taxes payed for. Big corps run our gov. and the communications industry is one huge organized monopoly. The US people are sheep and need to wake up. Who are we (our gov.) so afraid of anyhow? Where is this threat we are protecting ourselves from? The only people that ARE pissed at the US is our own gov. dang fault. It's like Days of our Lives over here, but the sad thing this is real life...
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November 2, 2013 10:27:28 AM

YOU LEFT OUT THE MOST IMPORANT PART!!!

ITS CAPTAIN JAMES KIRK THAT WILL BE IN CONTROL!!!
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November 2, 2013 11:10:20 AM

yeah, sweden has had similar stuff for years. go america, go (get a burger...)
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November 2, 2013 11:14:41 AM

Who exactly is this supposed to help us against? Any major threat is going to have satellite recon, which won't exactly not notice a giant grey thing in the water, and any target that doesn't have satellites but relies heavily on radar probably isn't enough of a threat to sea targets to merit this anyways.

I can understand wanting to cut down noise to try to hide from submarines, which rely on their own intel rather than surface intel... but the rest of it just seems like pointlessly wasted money.
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November 2, 2013 11:20:47 AM

@XxXGunXxXGraveXxX China owns us and we(US gov.) made that mess in the middle east. And I don't really want to argue any of these facts I just want people to realize that all this stuff is the governments of the world bickering with each other, why do all the good people in this world have to pay the price when they are the only REAL problem.

It's a simple choice between fear and love.
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November 2, 2013 11:21:46 AM

You forget the most important part: it's unmanned! :-P
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November 2, 2013 11:24:45 AM

MURICA!!!!!!! jk :/  This is the last thing we should be paying for in our taxes. I bet that we just want to have the best navy in the world but thats not gonna happen. Unless we have 978,000 of these ships.
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November 2, 2013 12:18:20 PM

Anyway, guys - you keep arguing whether this is waste of money or not, but keep in mind that kind of vessels push technology forward.
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November 2, 2013 12:39:31 PM

When you result to insults and abuse your comments become meaningless.
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November 2, 2013 12:44:33 PM

if you're the owner of something the size of a fishing dinghy you can now expect to get checked out at visual range a lot more frequently
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November 2, 2013 12:57:08 PM

"Due to budget cuts, there were originally 32 ships of the class planned, but over time, that's been cut down to just three, causing a huge increase in the cost-per-ship, especially when research and development is taken into account."

According to wikipedia, these things cost an eye-watering US$3.45B each to build (and US$7B each including R&D).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt-class_destroyer
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November 2, 2013 1:34:31 PM

US gov/military is just like a gamer nerd... got to have the best toy, everything else is secondary...
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November 2, 2013 1:52:17 PM

@XxXGunXxXGraveXxX

So, whet US and CCCP kept in check-mate rest of the world for 40 years it was ok, right? And when other countries get to know nuclear power, then its like "oh my god, they are gonna kill us!"
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November 2, 2013 2:09:35 PM

It looks like it stepped straight of a James Bond Movie and it has ray guns and HV guns.

Can I borrow the keys? Pleeeeaaase!
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November 2, 2013 2:10:54 PM

DarkSable said:
Who exactly is this supposed to help us against? Any major threat is going to have satellite recon, which won't exactly not notice a giant grey thing in the water, and any target that doesn't have satellites but relies heavily on radar probably isn't enough of a threat to sea targets to merit this anyways.

I can understand wanting to cut down noise to try to hide from submarines, which rely on their own intel rather than surface intel... but the rest of it just seems like pointlessly wasted money.


I read this comment earlier and i was going to ignore it but really?

are you retarded? yeah of course they'll notice a big grey ship, its not like they've been painting it that colour for over 100 years to blend it in or anything. Do you even know how satalite recon works? for stationary targets its great, for moving targets its useless. You cant just pick an area of sea and look at it at will, you have to wait for your satellite to fly over it and you only get a certain time frame while it orbits and comes back around. Even if the satellite did happen to fly over it, its a grey ship on a grey sea, i mean do you have any idea how big the sea is? It would be pot luck if you found it and by the time you realise you had found it it would have moved miles, you cant track moving objects with satellite imaging.

/rant
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November 2, 2013 2:20:58 PM

The Zumwalt was designed to replace the Ticonderoga class cruiser. The high cost is the result of ill-defined mission parameters as defined by both the senators and congresspeople at first wanting a replacement (which is what the navy needs), then a BMD platform demanded by these elected officials onto the admirals (who consequently need sponsorship for promotion). That means that mid-build, the entire ship had to be redesigned for BMD, which added significant costs to this model. Add snowball effect, and the current Zumwalt iteration is overbudget and mission-wise has much less offensive power than the proposed original design.
It will still perform very well, but the 3 ships of the class are technology demonstrators used to gain knowledge on new propulsion tech, tumblehome shape, and a much more powerful radar system. The U.S. Navy will use this knowledge to build their future fleets of Burkes or Ticonderoga replacements, just as they used the Seawolf submarines as a demonstrator for the Virginia-class.

Frankly, because of the size and firepower, I can't tell if it is a cruiser, destroyer, battlecruiser, or battleship (due to the two 155-mm cannons).;D
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November 2, 2013 2:39:31 PM

Vern I am pretty sure it has a crew of just over 150 people - not unmanned but still relatively small.
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November 2, 2013 2:56:44 PM

OfCourse said:
USA has the greatest terrorist army on the planet! USA trains terrorist on US soil at the School of the Americas. US armed forces, currently deployed overseas, should all the shot dead as the cold blooded terrorists they are. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!


You have been reported for an abusive/inflammatory post. Have a nice day.

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November 2, 2013 2:57:47 PM

10tacle said:
OfCourse said:
USA has the greatest terrorist army on the planet! USA trains terrorist on US soil at the School of the Americas. US armed forces, currently deployed overseas, should all the shot dead as the cold blooded terrorists they are. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!


You have been reported for an abusive/inflammatory post. Have a nice day.


Nice 2500K you have there.
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November 2, 2013 3:04:45 PM

...yet we are broke...way to go...NOT
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November 2, 2013 3:18:59 PM

is it a nuclear wessel?
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November 2, 2013 3:44:53 PM

...yet we are broke....good job...not
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November 2, 2013 3:45:16 PM

Does it come with bluetooth, wifi, and 4G?

Also if it shows up on radar then whats stopping a country from simply using a spy satellite to look at it to find out what it really is (or do they only plan to use it when it is cloudy?

They should make it unmanned and then add a really loud speaker system and when ever they spot people killing dolphins and other endangered animals, it can generate a loud noise in the water to scare all of the fish and other animals away and thus make it so they cant catch them. Would be pretty fun if it can be automated to do that, then add some good cameras to record their reactions and upload it online.
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November 2, 2013 3:53:50 PM

@OfCourse I hope you get everything you have coming to you.
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November 2, 2013 5:46:09 PM

Everyone here saying this technology is a waste of money will one day eat their words. We may not have a threat on the direct horizon but that never lasts forever. Look at the rome empire they were massively ahead of everyone but it didn't last. If you want to be the dominant power of the world you can't sit and rest you must constantly develop more and more powerful and capable systems to maintain that lead and keep other nations in check.

What if we diverted 90% of our defense budget to social programs? Sure it would solve a lot of problems for the poor but what good would that be when another country surpasses our power and enslaves our country? Maybe the poor need to get off their ass and get a job and be a productive member of society. The government will PAY for u to go to school I know because they paid every single cent for me to go to school and gave me thousands extra to live off of as well. If you are too stupid to pass school then maybe you deserve the life you have. Survival of the fittest.
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November 2, 2013 5:59:49 PM

Reminds me of the USS Vengeance.
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November 2, 2013 8:08:16 PM

I was in the Navy for quite some time. I can guarantee you this ship will be broken 75% of the time.
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November 2, 2013 8:40:05 PM

"Then again, the new power system was designed to support potential expansion for free-electron lasers and rail guns, and this sentence might be the most awesome thing I'll ever write."

HELL YEAH,
TOP THAT SUKAS
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November 2, 2013 8:59:10 PM

@meowmix44 : Huh? We *DO* have the best and largest navy in the world.

Put down the crack pipe, you're living in a dream. I mean, when certain people freak out because China has its first Air-craft carrier (Which is a converted ship, with a very limited aircraft capability) its a joke compared to the USA's 11's which usually includes 6 other support ships.
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November 2, 2013 9:40:29 PM

belardo said:
@meowmix44 : Huh? We *DO* have the best and largest navy in the world.

Put down the crack pipe, you're living in a dream. I mean, when certain people freak out because China has its first Air-craft carrier (Which is a converted ship, with a very limited aircraft capability) its a joke compared to the USA's 11's which usually includes 6 other support ships.


MURICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D 
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November 2, 2013 11:22:17 PM

DarkSable said:
Who exactly is this supposed to help us against? Any major threat is going to have satellite recon, which won't exactly not notice a giant grey thing in the water, and any target that doesn't have satellites but relies heavily on radar probably isn't enough of a threat to sea targets to merit this anyways.

I can understand wanting to cut down noise to try to hide from submarines, which rely on their own intel rather than surface intel... but the rest of it just seems like pointlessly wasted money.


Someone has been playing too much video games it seems...

Just kidding, but in all seriousness satellite imagery won't be an issue. It's good when you have a pre-determined spot that you want surveillance on, but trying to pick a specific spot in the ocean would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Satellites and drones are great for recon, but when you are trying to track fast - moving objects, such as destroyers or fighter jets it really comes down to RADAR / SONAR, and possibly IR depending on what it is.
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November 3, 2013 12:11:07 AM

Powered by Redhat Linux.
Why?
Because even the military thinks Win8 sucks ass and is totally unusable, and we all know the bit about military intelligence being an oxymoron.

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November 3, 2013 3:57:03 AM

To all those crying "we broke" "waste of money" you have no clue on how the government works do you, Many of the ship's features were originally developed under the DD21 program from the 1990's this money was appropriated and spent long ago and its not like you can go un-spend it now can you? If you want to bemoan something hold our congress responsible for this and many other blunders where billions were wasted because they changed which party had control and the new party changed how they wanted it done mid stream so one of their cronies could supply the newly needed widgets to do the project the "new way:
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November 3, 2013 11:05:47 AM

what a waste of money ... things could be bettter spent, umm like health care.
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November 3, 2013 3:01:37 PM

Screw social programs. They never benefit the middle class. They only give to extreme deadbeats to encourage them to get and vote for democrats. We all know that anyone making 30k or more will just end up being taxed so that some babies momma can have her fifth kid and still enjoy cable TV and some purple drank at the same time.
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November 3, 2013 4:58:26 PM

Wow, did congress take another day off and down vote any critical comment in here? We are doomed, period. Stop dragging it out for the gov. loving sheeple and drive this short bus off a cliff already...
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November 3, 2013 11:47:42 PM

Military research trickles down into the consumer market eventually... Sure its expensive, and people might not like the application but in the end military research is the reason things we have and love today even exist... You know, things like GPS, microwaves, etc...
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November 4, 2013 6:50:34 PM

To everyone hating on the US military,
I would like to see a sim run of what would happen if the US pulled all of it's military assets inside it's own borders. How long would So. Korea stay within it's borders? How long would China stay inside theirs? Russia? How long before Israel would attack Iran? Before Al Qaeda would attack every moderate Arab state? Etc... Smarten up people!
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November 4, 2013 7:02:10 PM

double post
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November 4, 2013 7:23:07 PM

@ thechief73
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November 4, 2013 7:38:54 PM

@ thechief73

"Yet people are starving, cannot find work, living in alleyways, dying because they cannot afford health care."

That's a premature blanket statement. Did you ever consider that many people don't choose to push themselves professionally to become more marketable in the competitive job arena? And why should my taxes help those who choose neglect their health and end up becoming dependent on the government for healthcare assistance?

"Big corps run our gov. and the communications industry is one huge organized monopoly."

Well duh, America is a Capitalistic, free market economy.

"Where is this threat we are protecting ourselves from? "

We tried laissez-faire before during WW II, remember? We got our a$$es bombed @ Pearl Harbor. It's because of this that the United States (and the United Nations) police the world. So crazy dictators and nutjob regimes don't grow and suddently threaten our peace.
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November 5, 2013 9:10:07 AM

Expensive - yep.
Waste of money - perhaps, i believe there are better ships but i did not get to make that call.

Over 50% of US imports travel by sea to the USA. http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/sites/rita.dot.gov.bts/file...

The US Navy (and its 285 ships and subs) enables the safe transit of all these goods - like the keyboard and most of the computer you use everyday. No other country can or does enable world wide trade by ensuring free transit of goods. We do it cause it's in our best interest. The world enjoys the benefits of this.

Kiss a Sailor and buy him a new boat. Thanks and AHOY !!
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November 5, 2013 10:07:52 AM

Expensive - yep.
Waste of money - perhaps, i believe there are better ships but i did not get to make that call.

Over 50% of US imports travel by sea to the USA. http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/sites/rita.dot.gov.bts/file...

The US Navy (and its 285 ships and subs) enables the safe transit of all these goods - like the keyboard and most of the computer you use everyday. No other country can or does enable world wide trade by ensuring free transit of goods. We do it cause it's in our best interest. The world enjoys the benefits of this.

Kiss a Sailor and buy him a new boat. Thanks and AHOY !!
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November 5, 2013 10:08:17 AM

Expensive - yep.
Waste of money - perhaps, i believe there are better ships but i did not get to make that call.

Over 50% of US imports travel by sea to the USA. http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/sites/rita.dot.gov.bts/file...

The US Navy (and its 285 ships and subs) enables the safe transit of all these goods - like the keyboard and most of the computer you use everyday. No other country can or does enable world wide trade by ensuring free transit of goods. We do it cause it's in our best interest. The world enjoys the benefits of this.

Kiss a Sailor and buy him a new boat. Thanks and AHOY !!
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