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Google, Samsung, Others, Sued by Rockstar Consortium

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November 4, 2013 5:35:35 PM

The greatest obstacle to progress these days is stupid crap like this. If companies could free up the insane amount of resources they spend protecting themselves from lawsuits and their "intellectual property" it would be amazing to see how quickly things progress. The entire patent system is so flawed and abused that everyone loses as a result.
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November 4, 2013 5:46:06 PM

Apple is the leader in this law suit! They cannot compete thus the need for frivolous lawsuits and US protection. No matter what Apple does, it will go down to single digits in market share where it belongs!
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November 4, 2013 5:48:47 PM

Let these NSA abiding roaches fight each other out of business.
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November 4, 2013 6:11:48 PM

This is the epitome of capitalistic greed: rather than combine their collective patent knowledge and wealth to make something they could ALL profit from as well as benefiting society, they have to bring one another down.
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November 4, 2013 6:25:25 PM

GeeLouie said:
Apple is the leader in this law suit! They cannot compete thus the need for frivolous lawsuits and US protection. No matter what Apple does, it will go down to single digits in market share where it belongs!


If you can't backup your statement that Apple is the leader in this suit, then I advise you to take your clear iHate elsewhere instead of an article that clearly lists joint partnership between multiple companies.

And no, selective reading gets you no where in life.
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November 4, 2013 7:00:22 PM

Why is blackberry which is on the verge of bankruptcy getting mixed up with this?
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November 4, 2013 7:23:58 PM

*weather

Are there no editors on this site? "whether" means "expressing a doubt or choice between alternatives" whereas in this case the phrase you used comes from "weather" meaning "come safely through (a storm)"
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November 4, 2013 7:46:14 PM

After the results for this quarter, I think Google should buy Sony+Ericsson.

Problem solved. It would be way cheaper than the risk of losing the court battle and even maybe a possible settle (in the long term) for all of the companies.

Cheers!
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November 4, 2013 7:53:56 PM

Funny to see that all of the companies in this "consortium" are all the companies who, as of a recent announcement, are losing market share to the Android devices (even though Microsoft just start and is slowly increasing with smartphones).
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November 4, 2013 8:16:44 PM

Actually this is old news and the article is incomplete. Rockstar is a technically independent organization spun off by those that bought the Nortel patents. Technically as in everyone bought the patents and created a new patent troll for them. On the other hand these companies gave the patents to Rockstar on the condition that they get a cut of any lawsuits and don't sue them. Rockstar has 12-15 employees whose only job is to reverse engineer Google products and find potential patent violation.

Second Rockstar isn't sueing just for search terms they're also going after mobile technology like LTE, which is why Samsung and HTC are also defendants.

What's totally insane is that Rockstar is using the fact that Google bought Motorola Mobility as an argument that they are abusing patents when this happened AFTER the group that can't compete bought Nortel.

ARS has a good series of articles on this if anyone wants to get the full story and not the abbreviated Tom's version.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/patent-war-g...
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November 4, 2013 8:22:46 PM

@otacon
1) there are not 1000s of android models
2) there are many of all shapes and sizes and power levels...you know...choice...oh wait...you consume apple therefore you do not know what choice is! lol
3) apple is the one who sues non-stop and you can bet apple cobbled this lawsuit together. also worth mentioning, certain apple products were banned in the US and Obama reversed the decision protecting apple BUT did not reverse the decision for Samsung. blatant protectionism. Apple cannot compete without the US government protecting them, US media promoting them and Apple suing everyone.
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November 4, 2013 8:42:03 PM

Every company on that list is a loser in the mobile game and likes to cry about it, especially Microsoft and Apple. Ballmer and Jobs were kings of throwing the spoiled brat fit if they didn't get their way. If you can't beat em, sue em!

When was the last time anyone saw Google file a patent lawsuit against another major tech company? If I'm not mistaken, Google has a policy that they don't sue unless sued. When was the last time Larry Page or Eric Schmidt publicly said anything bad about another company? It's pretty clear who has the high ground here.

After looking over a large chunk of what the lawsuit is about, it's not hard to determine that there is very little chance of this going anywhere and that's really fortunate because it's clear who the innovators are and who is dead weight.
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November 4, 2013 9:25:07 PM

This is their only defense against the destruction android will bring upon them and they now they have a couple a years left in business to try and sue their way back into control of the market. Dinosaurs have to die.
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November 4, 2013 9:31:15 PM

All of the companies listed except google have been a detriment to innovation my entire life and I for one cannot wait to see them put "up for sale" signs on their businesses.
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November 4, 2013 10:04:37 PM

burnley14 said:
The greatest obstacle to progress these days is stupid crap like this. If companies could free up the insane amount of resources they spend protecting themselves from lawsuits and their "intellectual property" it would be amazing to see how quickly things progress. The entire patent system is so flawed and abused that everyone loses as a result.


It is and needs to be fixed. On the other end, companies have no respect for other companies property. They will use it and then pay fines as it turns out to be cheaper since they get the product out faster and make more money faster.

Honestly its both parties fault. The one doing the new thing needs to research before release to make sure they are not breaking any patents and the ones who own the patents need to stop wanting exorbitant amounts for simple use.
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November 4, 2013 10:30:07 PM

Just imagine..
Apple could innovate again instead of dumping all their resources into suing other companies for all the ideas Apple stole in the first place!
Wouldn't the world be a better place?
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November 5, 2013 3:13:29 AM

totally agree with burnley14......this entire patent system is flawed...........only lawyers are winning in this situation............innovation, time, and resources are lost......moreover, hands are tied to make any sort of progress...........who came up with this [removed]??? learn from the chinese......do u think china cares about patents?? they have a fake apple store running in every other city.............

Watch the language. - G
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November 5, 2013 4:22:18 AM

In other news, Rockstar Consortium is sued by Rockstar Games for using the name without permission
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November 5, 2013 5:38:26 AM

And the most unbearable things: Nortel... how many people lose their jobs. And how many big company just -like vulture- just keep the patents... So yes... they all sucks.

An other frightening topic : will they sue Open-Sources dev for patent issue too ? Well... Orwell was right and far under the truth too...
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November 5, 2013 5:40:24 AM

And the most unbearable things: Nortel... how many people lose their jobs. And how many big company just -like vulture- just keep the patents... So yes... they all sucks.

An other frightening topic : will they sue Open-Sources dev for patent issue too ? Well... Orwell was right and far under the truth too...
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November 5, 2013 6:53:42 AM

Maledictions on the plaintiffs for misuse of the patent system. Maledictions on the patent system for being so royally screwed up. And while I'm at it, maledictions on Google for trying to own the world and invading my privacy. A plague on all your houses!
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November 5, 2013 11:53:09 AM

Dont sony phones run the android OS?
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November 5, 2013 11:54:14 AM

And who wins in these ridiculous patent wars? The companies? No. The customers? No. Just those goddamn lawyers again.
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November 5, 2013 12:11:25 PM

If this suit is succesful the biggest losers are the customers. Blackberry, Microsoft and Apple suing Google doesn't surprise me, but honestly I had expected better from Sony. Correct me if I'm wrong but it just seems a little leachy for them to use Google's OS on their phones and then suing them.
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November 5, 2013 1:26:57 PM

Ha just last night I was having a very lively discussion about patent trolling in my accounting class, I should bring this article in for the next one. :lol: 
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November 5, 2013 1:58:24 PM

guvnaguy said:
This is the epitome of capitalistic greed: rather than combine their collective patent knowledge and wealth to make something they could ALL profit from as well as benefiting society, they have to bring one another down.


to be fair, patents only exist because the govt issues them, and then willingly participates in the patent wars by providing the battle grounds. if the govt were to stay out of the market, there would be no patents to fight over.
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November 5, 2013 4:29:34 PM

Frivolous waste of time and tax money. This has to stop
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November 5, 2013 5:51:12 PM

urbanman2004 said:
Frivolous waste of time and tax money. This has to stop


Not to mention damage to the economy. It won't, but what if this did put Google out of business? Google is about as big as it gets when it comes to American success stories and the only one of the tech giants that is making phones and other products here in the U.S. by U.S. workers. If this were one of the big 3 automakers, there would be all sorts of negative press about how dirty it is. For those who don't know, Google is worth over 6 times what General Motors is.

Obama pardons Apple's patent offences while they continue to shill cheap Chinese made crap at outrageous margins. My next phone will be a Motorola.
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November 6, 2013 12:51:02 AM

Patents are not an obstacle. Companies who develop technology should get the rights to it. Why would they spend money on research otherwise? Just ignorant... Companies should not just be able to rip off technology without paying for it, which is called licensing. Look it up.
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November 6, 2013 9:21:42 AM

kjordan_29 said:
Patents are not an obstacle. Companies who develop technology should get the rights to it. Why would they spend money on research otherwise? Just ignorant... Companies should not just be able to rip off technology without paying for it, which is called licensing. Look it up.


Half true. Many patents are pretty broad, especially in the technology world. In a lot of cases, patents are used only with the intent of trying to sue someone else later. They have their place in some instance where there is true innovation, but that is often not the case.

No one can claim to have the rights to things like "square LED screen" or "app icons on a homescreen."

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November 23, 2013 11:56:06 AM

The whole idea of intellectual property (no pun intended) is wrong.

Why do we have property? Wouldn't it be better if everyone could have everything? Obviously it would. Unfortunately that's not quite how this world of ours works. You and I can't both use your car, for example. But this doesn't apply to ideas. The "stealing" of an idea doesn't take the idea away from the person who first had it. That's the only workable criterion.

For example, the idea of setting up a store in a neighborhood. Nobody in their right mind claims that store Y is "stealing" store X's idea of setting up shop there and thus should be made to pay for lost revenue. Or that Mrs. Smith, seller of homemade cakes, stole Mrs. Ann's idea of using hazelnuts in her recipe and should be put out of business. Because any sane person understands that enforcing this kind of thing would 1) be ridiculous and 2) lead to insanity. 1 is a matter of opinion, 2 is happening right before our eyes.
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