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Nvidia GeForce GTX 780 Ti Review: GK110, Fully Unlocked

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November 7, 2013 6:08:42 AM

My heart broke a little bit for AMD. Unless AMD's got something up their sleeve, it's up to the board manufacturers now to get the 290X in a better competitive stance than the 780 ti.
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November 7, 2013 6:15:38 AM

Can't wait for fanboy wars! Its going to be fun to watch.
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November 7, 2013 6:16:38 AM

At $700, AMD has nothing to worry about other than the minority of enthusiast who are willing to pay $200 more for the absolute fastest. Also, when games like Battlefield 4 uses mantle the performance gains will be eroded or wiped out.
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November 7, 2013 6:18:20 AM

Keep up the competition. Performance per dollar is the name of the game, and the consumers are thriving in it right now.
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November 7, 2013 6:20:08 AM

I want to see cooler as efficient as the 780 ti, on the 290X, and the benchmarks be run again. Something tells me 290X will perform similar or greater than 780ti, in that situation.
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November 7, 2013 6:21:18 AM

Price vs way too few more fps than the rival will say a lot no matter who gets the crown, but can`t wonder to imagine the look on the face of the guys who got Titans for only few months of "fps supremacy" at insane price tags :) 
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November 7, 2013 6:22:12 AM

2x R9 290's for $100 more will destroy the 780Ti. I don't really see where this logically fits in a competitively priced environment. Nice card, silly price point.
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November 7, 2013 6:28:35 AM

"Hawaii-based boards delivering frame rates separated by double-digit percentages, the real point is that this behavior is designed into the Radeon R9 290X. "

It could also come down to production variance between the chips. Seen in before in manufacturing and it's not pretty. Sounds like we're starting to hit the ceiling with these GPUs... Makes me wonder what architectural magic they'll come up with next.

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November 7, 2013 6:30:29 AM

2x R9 290's for $100 more will destroy the 780Ti. I don't really see where this logically fits in a competitively priced environment. Nice card, silly price point.
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November 7, 2013 6:35:00 AM

I'm going to build a rig for a friend and was planning on getting him the R9 290, but after the R9 290 review I'm quite hesitant. How can we know how the retail version of that card performs? Any chance you guys could pick one up and test it out? Furthermore, how can we know Nvidia isn't pulling the same trick: i.e. giving a press card that performs way above the retail version?
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November 7, 2013 6:37:08 AM

Hoping to get a response this time. I am wondering if AA has any place in the ultraHD gaming world. I suspect that it gets cranked to 16x on ultra settings and I wonder if this actually is discernable witht he pixel density being so high. It is not like many people can spot a jagged edged curve when the "jag" is microns big.

If it has a negligible impact on what it looks like I am wondering how performance is with single cards on ultraHD screens WITHOUT ANTI-ALIASING. Please could you investigate? or point me to somewhere that has. Cheers all!
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November 7, 2013 6:39:56 AM

EVGA already has the "SC" rated cards both with the default cooler and their ACX cooler.

Apples to apples it looks like the 780 ti will remain faster than the 290x even after we begin to see custom cooling AMD cards . . . but at a high premium.
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November 7, 2013 6:40:12 AM

Good buy compared to Titan but not the $500cards is what I read out of this.Good performance but questionable value.
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November 7, 2013 6:40:45 AM

what i can't understand is how people can manage to stay loyal to the green team especially when they've been using monopolistic tendencies when it comes to pricing their cards... seriously, dropping a cards price point at the snap of a finger by hundreds of dollars, and they're still profiting like monsters i bet.

and yet, people will continue to eat up their products like mindless sheep. guess a lot of people have disposable income.
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November 7, 2013 6:44:34 AM

sigh....it's too expensive compared to the 290x and the 290 for the performance.Slap a waterblock on the 290x and this card and overclock both of them to the limit and we will se which one is better.Still,i'm not gonna pay an extra $300 for this card over the 290x
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November 7, 2013 6:46:29 AM

sorry.i mean the r9 290
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November 7, 2013 6:50:03 AM

One thing is certain - 290X is completely irrelevant. Either get a lot cheaper 290 with the same performance or expensive 780Ti with better performance.
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November 7, 2013 6:55:19 AM

This seems to be the bottom line... get the 780ti if you absolutely want the best and have money to burn (or wait a bit to see if they will indeed release the higher memory ones) and 290 for money vs performance.
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November 7, 2013 6:56:52 AM

Excluding the possibility of bias, it's important to note the various performance results from one site to another. Tom's has the 780Ti winning the majority of benches while others have the 290x on top for the same applications. I believe this is representative of real world end user scenarios. Individual cards and total system variances IMO will result in the 780ti and 290x performing pretty much on par at higher resolutions. Therefore it really comes down to prices or preference but I don't know too many smart people who choose to waste $s ever even 1%'s. Win for AMD.
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November 7, 2013 6:59:39 AM

Deus Gladiorum said:
I'm going to build a rig for a friend and was planning on getting him the R9 290, but after the R9 290 review I'm quite hesitant. How can we know how the retail version of that card performs? Any chance you guys could pick one up and test it out? Furthermore, how can we know Nvidia isn't pulling the same trick: i.e. giving a press card that performs way above the retail version?

Well, it is possible, but highly unlikely, given that Nvidia has a hard defined minimum clock rate, and a much narrower range...plus this is a reference board, it's fully possible that a retail card with a custom cooler will perform much higher (like the Gigabyte 780 in this article).

And, it's not an issue with the Titan or the 780, which are both based on GK110...which has been out for months, and has stable drivers.

eklipz330 said:
what i can't understand is how people can manage to stay loyal to the green team especially when they've been using monopolistic tendencies when it comes to pricing their cards... seriously, dropping a cards price point at the snap of a finger by hundreds of dollars, and they're still profiting like monsters i bet.

and yet, people will continue to eat up their products like mindless sheep. guess a lot of people have disposable income.

What i can't understand is why this has to be a ****ing war.

When they had no competition, they charged a lot of money for their top end cards. No one was forced to buy these overpriced cards. If no one bought them, they'd drop prices. When AMD released solid competition, they dropped prices.

That's how the market works. If you think AMD wouldn't do the same, well, what can i say..

AMD haven't been in a position to do that for a long time on either the GPU or CPU front, which is why they haven't.

When they tried to release an $800 FX CPU (this is without a monopoly or lead in the market, btw), no one bought it, and AMD had to drop prices by more than half.
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November 7, 2013 7:07:13 AM

It's pretty clear that AMD makes outstanding GPUs . . . Hawaii is probably as good as, if not better than, GK110 in absolute terms. The problem comes in executing the remainder of the card--trying to design on the cheap so they can undercut NVidia--and in their software.

It's sad; AMD could probably rule the roost if they could pull it all together at one time.

It would also help their CPU division is they had some means of creating a symbiosis between their CPUs and GPUs--of course that would probably drive off all of their Intel buyers :) 
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November 7, 2013 7:07:40 AM

I see everybody going crazy on the internet about 780Ti being the king of single chip card and everybody screaming about it, well.. from all those guys how many of you are willing to actually pay the price of a 780 TI ? Quite a few, then why the go crazy about it ? The R9-290 looks as the best bang for the buck right now. Stop going crazy about top tier cards, usually they are destroyed by lower tier SLI/CF configurations that costs about the same.

Never cared about Titan / 780 / 290X etc though the last one has a normal price range. Btw i own a Evga 760 AC and i wish i`ve took the 280X instead. Waiting for future Mantle Benchmarks and if it takes off, we will see probably another game changer there.
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November 7, 2013 7:08:41 AM

The retail version of the 290X is looking too good in these benches, even the 770 beats it in some benches shown here
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November 7, 2013 7:09:07 AM

bjaminnyc said:
Excluding the possibility of bias, it's important to note the various performance results from one site to another. Tom's has the 780Ti winning the majority of benches while others have the 290x on top for the same applications. I believe this is representative of real world end user scenarios. Individual cards and total system variances IMO will result in the 780ti and 290x performing pretty much on par at higher resolutions. Therefore it really comes down to prices or preference but I don't know too many smart people who choose to waste $s ever even 1%'s. Win for AMD.


I read 9 review sites. Noone has the 290X as better performer of or on par with GTX780ti and all agree with Tom's Hardware review.
Anandtech
Guru3D
Hardware Canucks
HardwareHeaven
PCPerspective
TechpowerUp
Bit-Tech
Vortez
Tom's Hardware
And when I am saying noone, I mean noone.... 780ti is a faster GPU and not by 1%. Most of the reviews go around 10% more than the jetloud uber mode.

edit: By the way Chris, is there any chance you would test R9 290 (non-X) retail too?
edit2: Great review as always :) 
edit3: Any news on 780ti Black editions? (1ghz + 6 or 12GB VRAM)
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November 7, 2013 7:15:34 AM

Duplicate post, sorry.
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November 7, 2013 7:20:41 AM

AMD wise, this is not the first time we have seen variation in chips. The 7870 xt I have does not OC as well as the one in Tom's review but I have seen others OC as well. Even Intel had a lot of variation in the OC of its recent chips that Toms looked beyond what they saw in their rig to get an idea what to expect.

We all just need to wait till 3rd party vendors come in with coolers and someone does a round up review to know.

As for the 780ti, it just costs too much compared to the 290x but is still a viable option given the questions that remain about the 290x.

And for final value, you have g-sync and then mantel to thinks about as well as streaming to a handheld.

Untill AMD answers more questions, 700 for the 780ti will work for some.

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November 7, 2013 7:21:46 AM

@Houldendub

You point has a little flaw in it and that is the fact that no aftermarket makers have gotten a hold of the 290 or the 290X, and when a better cooler was slapped on the 290 it got an extra 12-20% boost. Hold judgement until the real cards that everyone wants to buy are released, till then it is a press card with a better cooler vs a press card with a crap cooler.
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November 7, 2013 7:24:58 AM

Oc'd GTX 780 and custom cooled R9 290s are much better value. Heck, you can even crossfire R9 290s for $100 more. Also worth mentioning again, AMD's stupidity that they "nerfed" their own products by equipping stupid coolers on them.
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November 7, 2013 7:29:22 AM

290 ~ $300
780 Ti ~ $700

is 10fps more worth $400 ?
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November 7, 2013 7:29:51 AM

sorry $300
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November 7, 2013 7:34:40 AM

This article just makes the 290 (with third-party cooling solution) look great.
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November 7, 2013 7:38:08 AM

I have a 290X but it seems as if the GTX 780 is a great deal with some overclocking thanks to the price cuts.

The GTX 780ti is priced a bit too high IMHO, but it is what it is.
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November 7, 2013 7:43:55 AM

catswold said:
EVGA already has the "SC" rated cards both with the default cooler and their ACX cooler.

Apples to apples it looks like the 780 ti will remain faster than the 290x even after we begin to see custom cooling AMD cards . . . but at a high premium.

AMD did attach "something" on their cards, BUT it is definitely not a cooler IMO :)  Looking at the Tom's review page where they installed Arctic Accelero cooler on R9 290, i am very positive that AMD's cards will have the magic with aftermarket coolers
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November 7, 2013 7:45:59 AM

The article its self is good how ever I have an issue with the way your testing some of the cards. 78 degrees is pretty hot why not 70 ? more reasonable temps. and exchange that R290x and if it still lacks in capability then you can really start bashing AMD. as for the 780 ti I don't really have any thoughts other than you should hold the same standards to the 780ti card.
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November 7, 2013 7:47:59 AM

How ever you really did write up a good review.
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November 7, 2013 7:52:35 AM

700$ is a bit high compared to 290X or 290...400+75(Arctic's Accelero Xtreme III)=475$ or with 290X it's 550+75=625$.i think you would get a much lower temp and 10-20% boost in performance...don't get me wrong before 290X and 290 showing up i was going to pay 700$ for a super clocked 780 but when 290X came i thought i can save atleast 50$ by buying it and getting a VGA cooler for it too..but now i'm just confused to what to do.we need an ultimate review where 780,780ti and 290 and 290X are there and the AMD card should be geared with a water cooler or a better cooler and we should see for 400$ to 700$ what is the best choice 290X with cooler or 780Ti...right now I'm so confused...
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November 7, 2013 8:02:55 AM

@ HKILLER

What is there to be confused about? Buy the card that fits your needs whether it be Nvidia or AMD does not matter. For what it is worth IMO best bang for the buck is an R9 290 at 400.00 or wait for when the aftermarket solutions come out they will give you a 10-20% boost easily plus an OC and if they use higher grade parts that number will only go up. Or you can buy 2 R9 290s and get double the performance of the 780ti for 100 bucks more. Also if you are wanting a pretty good buy from Nvidia in the 500.00 range get the 780 it's a pretty good offering also!
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November 7, 2013 8:06:58 AM

okay wait people say 780 TI is 10% faster than 290X.if you get a 290X+Arctic's Accelero Xtreme III it would be 625$ let's say that extra 75$ you pay gives 290X a 5% boost.so 780 ti would be 5% more efficient but it will cost 12% more than a 290X+a VGA cooler...(I'm just talking in theory and mostly according to the reviews so far).i would say if that 12% doesn't bother you get 780 TI (75$) if yes get the 290X+Arctic's Accelero Xtreme III 625$....

@Rum
I don't know man 'm ripping my brain out and nerding the heck out of myself figuring out what's going on...but i think i would wait till Christmas.more reviews and a bit of discount on parts so we will see what will happen...
P.S: if i fix a comment in forums it won't get fixed in the site?
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November 7, 2013 8:07:36 AM

eklipz330 said:
what i can't understand is how people can manage to stay loyal to the green team especially when they've been using monopolistic tendencies when it comes to pricing their cards... seriously, dropping a cards price point at the snap of a finger by hundreds of dollars, and they're still profiting like monsters i bet.

and yet, people will continue to eat up their products like mindless sheep. guess a lot of people have disposable income.


I can't understand how people can be loyal to the red team when their drivers are terrible, their cards can't run an OpenCL app and some TV software at the same time without the graphic driver crashing and now that they have the hottest running card on the market it's somehow the coolest thing on the market which is completely different to how they regarded the GTX480 and these are the same folk who slagged Nvidia off for renaming a couple of cards and yet don't slag off AMD for renaming all of their cards!
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November 7, 2013 8:07:37 AM

@eklipz330 "what i can't understand is how people can manage to stay loyal to the green team especially when they've been using monopolistic tendencies when it comes to pricing their cards... seriously, dropping a cards price point at the snap of a finger by hundreds of dollars, and they're still profiting like monsters i bet.

and yet, people will continue to eat up their products like mindless sheep. guess a lot of people have disposable income."

because nvidia puts the money towards research & development, not just making a profit. it's how they are able to stay on top of things and put out powerful and efficient products. their profits haven't increased substantially, in fact i'm pretty sure they've dropped over the last several years while they're market share has remained relatively stable, so this would indicate they are not just overpricing products to "profit like monsters". in 2012 their revenue was $4 billion and their net income was $581 million. they spent over $1 billion on R&D alone.

if you don't want to spend the premium on the best products out there or have that same company continue to push out great and efficient products, that's entirely on you and has nothing to do with people being "mindless sheep." i find it kinda funny that you would even call others that, when it seems like you just have a blatant bias against nvidia and don't seem to understand how companies work and operate. do you really think AMD wouldn't do the same thing if they had the market share and quality that nvidia puts out?

then again, there's a simple solution to this... you don't like the price? don't buy it.
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November 7, 2013 8:08:28 AM

Nvidia's pricing sucks balls.
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November 7, 2013 8:12:54 AM

ubercake said:
Nvidia's pricing sucks balls.


Only if you're poor! :lol: 
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November 7, 2013 8:13:33 AM

The ultimate question about this review is, if the 290 benefited 10-20% from a better cooler would not the 290X benefit just as much if not more from a better cooler? If that is true than the 780ti's lead goes up in smoke! Granted I think the TI probably has more OC headroom but at a 150-200 premium the TI isn't looking so hot! My only qualm with the review is the bashing of AMD over the heat and Press card I am sure that if the truth be told Nvidia did the same exact thing. Either way Nice review and nice GPU good job Nvidia!
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November 7, 2013 8:16:01 AM

Mousemonkey said:
ubercake said:
Nvidia's pricing sucks balls.


Only if you're poor! :lol: 

I don't consider myself poor, but I still hate giving anyone that much of my money. But they do have the best performance when you don't simply take FPS into account.

Also, I like how they have to now differentiate between 290x press and 290x retail. That's just smashingly hilarious. I was almost suckered in too!

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November 7, 2013 8:18:01 AM

HKILLER said:
okay wait people say it's 780 TI is 10% faster than 290X.if you get a 290X+Arctic's Accelero Xtreme III it would be 625$ let's say that extra 75$ you pay gives 290X a 5% boost.so the difference would be 780 ti would be 5% more efficient but it will cost 12% more than a 290X+a VGA cooler...(I'm just talking in theory and mostly according to the reviews so far).i would say if that 12% doesn't bother you get 780 TI (75$) if yes get the 290X+Arctic's Accelero Xtreme III 625$....


It might be a little early but the reviewer W1zzard at TechpowerUp found that the 780ti has huge o/c potential.
From the review:
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GPU overclocking potential is VERY impressive. It's been a while since I've seen a GPU do almost 30% OC on launch day. Memory overclocks well too, thanks to the fast memory chips, and reaches typical levels for 7 Gbps GDDR5.

And he did that while the card was stable at 83Co :o 

So I can't even imagine what this card can do with a costum cooler from MSI or ASUS... (I am not even reffering one of the best self placing air coolings like Arctic's Accelero Xtreme III)

Actually I think this card was underclocked by Nvidia on purpose. Its real clock should be more around 1Ghz rather 876Mhz.
But the reason Nvidia did this was pretty clear a few days ago.
Rumors and some pics talking of 780ti Black Edition at 1Ghz... (with more memory ofc) And pricier I guess...
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November 7, 2013 8:19:06 AM

In BF4 at 1920x1080, how come the retail R9-290x has a lower FPS than the press version and R9-290?
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November 7, 2013 8:23:05 AM

78º room temps? Guess some like it hot. In Denver my cool weather heat is set to 69º and air to 72º.

As for variances, you are comparing the absolute best Nvidia chips against the first run as available AMD chips and express surprise at the variances. Think of all the recent Nvidia buyers who have been stuck with lesser chips while Nvidia was cherry picking for their Ti.
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November 7, 2013 8:24:35 AM

Great review Chris. I might end up upgrading my gpu soon if things keep up this pace. What with Gsync coming out next year and the new cards blowing mine away by 30+ fps in all games it may be time to start looking at a new card before I have to sink $5-600 on a monitor as well.
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November 7, 2013 8:27:54 AM

wow, this is a heavy blow toward AMD. tho it's interesting that Nvidia would 'intentionally' cripple their flagship's 4K performance (via memory limitations) in an attempt to save costs. I guess few people game at 4K atm so it's no big deal, but it's still a bit odd.

That aside, I can't help but feel that this is a bit of a kick in the b... to those who purchased the Titan earlier in the year, buying into Nvidia's claim that it's the unique GPU champion that won't be beat by a single generation change, thus justifying the $1k price tag...
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