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November 13, 2013 4:45:56 AM

And People Also Worry,Because M$ offer them a Cripple tablet OS to their PC..Hell No Microsoft !!! People Already spend a hundreds or a thousand Dollars to Build or buy their PC, So they want a REAL desktop OS,Not a Cripple one :kaola: 
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November 13, 2013 4:56:31 AM

How difficult can it be for a company the size of MS to keep XP security up to date? If they were really 'worried' they would simply keep supporting it. This is bully tactics thinly veiled as consumer concern. I don't remember buying XP with an expiry date on the package. Should be a legal requirement if they do this consistently (Which they do). Load of bull if you ask me.
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November 13, 2013 5:03:46 AM

@Absentsa First look at other companies how much support they give you for their older products, then complain about MS not supporting XP, which even if it had security up to date would still be an outdated OS.
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November 13, 2013 5:08:27 AM

of course MS says those pc's wil be at risk , but the real truth is that hackers will no longer bother with targeting win XP any more. now speaking of out dated OS'es I'd stil like to go build a win 98 "time machine" for nostalgia gaming, compatability programs only get you so far with some older games. wonder what MS thinks of that ?
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November 13, 2013 5:15:15 AM

Yeah sure, because everybody will go build a time machine for old games, don`t generalize just because you want something old and running in particular.
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November 13, 2013 5:15:47 AM

This is a 12 year-old OS.

Anyone who hasn't upgraded or doesn't have a plan has had plenty of time.

While they're at it, they should upgrade their Windows for Workgroups 3.11 machines as well. It is also advisable they stop relying on MS-DOS on their other machines.
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November 13, 2013 5:18:19 AM

Yes, XP users, time to move to Linux :D 
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November 13, 2013 5:19:43 AM

If microsoft worry so much about the lacks of windows upgrade, where is the $40 Win8 upgrade deal for all WinXP, WinVista, Win7 user?? I personally bought 4 of those when MS offered that $15/$40 upgrade deal when Win8 was released...
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November 13, 2013 5:29:30 AM

@Absentsa They don't give you an expiry date for cars either, but this doesn't mean that cars made 50 years ago are as safe as cars made today. Sure, you can still drive them and there are big chances nothing wrong would happen to you, but newer cars are safer to driver, and safer during crashes.
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November 13, 2013 5:29:42 AM

hackers attack the majority. hackers attack what gets attention. our company of 15000 just went to 7. we are usually 3 to for years behind because all of our company apps have to be tested and working flawless or we could loose millions if they stop working at random.
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November 13, 2013 5:34:07 AM

Worried ? :-) I bet MS is worried of selling the new Win 8.1 licenses. Now they are trying to do their best to force the users upgrade. Soon they will say there is no support to Win XP. :-)
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November 13, 2013 5:40:51 AM

If M$ is really THAT worried, they should have taken some actions to improve Win8 ASAP already, not just continuing their marketing spree.
Especially for the older computers, XP users would want compatibility, low resource consumption and ease of use, so that way they won't need to bother upgrading both OS and hardware at the same time.
Windows 8? LOL. I mean, worse than 7, good for touchpad and bad for mouse and keyboard. No wonder M$ moans about, dev teams nowadays just can't get what users want.
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November 13, 2013 5:53:29 AM

Looking at the whole picture I can understand why MS wants to discontinue support for Windows XP. For them it's a business move that is being driven by the desire to get users to upgrade and for reducing overhead on their part. At this point they've released 3 newer versions of Windows since XP has been released. There are a lot of companies that will eventually quit supporting their older products. I wouldn't expect to get product updates on most software that is 5+ years old. Eventually a company has to look at how much does it cost them to keep programers dedicated to maintaining older versions of the software. There comes a point where it's not cost effective for them. I know as a consumer we don't always like hearing that but from a business perspective it makes perfect sense. I remember reading a while back where a company is charging customers a service fee if they make a purchase using IE6 since they need to design the site to work with it. Eventually as a consumer you have to accept that there may be no more updates and you use it as it is.
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November 13, 2013 6:01:39 AM

People who are forced to "upgrade" to Windows 8 absolutely hate it. Especially the one's whose old XP machines finally bit the dust. They may as well go to Linux or Apple then to use that counter-intuitive interface that Microsoft forced on everyone.
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November 13, 2013 6:03:03 AM

Sheesh, each time i see an article about MS, every single hater out there comes here to post a negative opinion (ofc i`ll get a lot of negatives for this post).
Well.. it`s simple, you don`t like MS products don`t use them, and you have nothing to complain. I personally don`t go on Linux news/boards and start bitching about it for the things i don`t like or use that product.
"Low resource consumption". What the hell are you talking about there? The same bullshit was said by Windows 98 users when XP came to market. Unless you lived till now under a rock even a phone has 1 GB of Ram... your computer should have with ease above that point to be sufficient for a Win7 or 8.

And Windows 8 is worse than 7? Letting aside few things like missing start button (many actually find this better, some hate is so much that they will slash their wrists for it) and few other bullshit things for tablets that MS tried to put in, Windows 8 actually performs better than 7. Yes, price is high but the rest is total bullshit.

MSDOS had no bluescreens at all .. why the hell did people ever stopped using it... and why isn`t MS supporting it anymore ?
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November 13, 2013 6:04:20 AM

90% of these responses are STUPID. Why in the world should MS support some relic old OS. It's time to upgrade people, at least to Windows7 (don't make your life suck by going to Win8). People can keep XP, just don't expect any more fixes and patches by MS.... you are on your own, I'm frankly they supported it this long.
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November 13, 2013 6:07:02 AM

If XP is so insecure and outdated but people like it so much and want to stick with it. Why doesn't MS just make Windows 9 look and feel exactly like XP when it comes out? Just make it with modern security, technologies and automation behind the scenes.
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November 13, 2013 6:08:08 AM

ohim said:
Sheesh, each time i see an article about MS, every single hater out there comes here to post a negative opinion (ofc i`ll get a lot of negatives for this post).
Well.. it`s simple, you don`t like MS products don`t use them, and you have nothing to complain. I personally don`t go on Linux news/boards and start bitching about it for the things i don`t like or use that product.
"Low resource consumption". What the hell are you talking about there? The same bullshit was said by Windows 98 users when XP came to market. Unless you lived till now under a rock even a phone has 1 GB of Ram... your computer should have with ease above that point to be sufficient for a Win7 or 8.

And Windows 8 is worse than 7? Letting aside few things like missing start button (many actually find this better, some hate is so much that they will slash their wrists for it) and few other bullshit things for tablets that MS tried to put in Windows 8 actually performs better than 7. Yes, price is high but the rest is total bullshit.


Its about the User experience. And the User experience with Windows 8 is profoundly negative. Those people upgrading from XP have upgraded from Win 3.11 to Win 95 to Win 98 to Win XP and there they stayed, because frankly, it was a good OS. Win 8 upgrade is jarring. Its not a better experience, its not a seemless migration with little or no training to use it. Its counter-intuitive.
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November 13, 2013 6:16:18 AM

So companies are upgrading their Pentium 4 / 1GB RAM PCs to Windows 8? They need new PCs.
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November 13, 2013 6:33:25 AM

Absentsa said:
I don't remember buying XP with an expiry date on the package.


It wasn't on the box, but is was in the TOS that you agreed to: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/products/lif...

In fact support should have ended 3 years ago, MS only support their operating systems for 10 years, meaning all the support you were entitled to ended in 2011. MS have extended this support for an additional 3 years completely free of charge.

And yet you still complain....

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November 13, 2013 6:34:15 AM


MS' problem is that a lot of industrial users simply do not need anything more
than what XP already provides. MS' business model depends on continuous
upgrades, but this contradicts how many industrial processes are maintained.
In many cases proprietory sw simply will not run on anything newer, and a
company has no means to change this.

Funny how different it is in other industries. BAe told me they have to provide
support services for their systems for at least 50 years, sometimes 75 years,
perhaps even longer for systems being developed now. I met the guy in charge
of the management programme for collating the sw/hw archive items required,
quite a challenge.

Those here insisting people upgrade just because their system is old really
do amuse me. What right does anyone have to force someone to upgrade?

Just a pity that these OS releases were so buggy in the first place, yet each
time nobody seems to care, MS is given cart blanche to continue releasing
versions of Windows stuffed full of security flaws.

IMO they peaked with Win7. I've certainly no intention of using anything newer.

Ian.

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November 13, 2013 6:37:32 AM

The curse of making a product that is just too successful. MS hit a homerun with XP once they fixed all the bugs. It was stable, attractive, effective and as close to perfection as MS has come.

In a Utopian world MS would simply bite the financial bullet and indefinitely support and protect XP, but this ain't Utopia and without profits, businesses disappear and when that happens, we not only lose the new, but any hope of support for their old products.

A decade is an inconceivably long time in the tech world. Nothing wrong with MS telling it's customers, it's time to move on.

Windows 7 is outstanding and now that I have adjusted to the flat appearance of 8 and 8.1, I have absolutely no complaints.

Change is inevitable and especially so in the tech world.
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November 13, 2013 6:38:55 AM

I think for most of the pc's still on windows xp outside of replacing them altogether switching to linux may be their best bet, its cheaper and it will actually run on weak pc's where newer windows would not. Staying on xp is indeed a bad option.
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November 13, 2013 6:44:04 AM

I have sold a few windows 8 systems customers brought them back, they hated it so far only 1 customer kept his system so i don't stock anything with windows 8 only windows 7.
As for XP being less secure that is a load of BS i have cleaned quite a few win8 and win7 systems, the only thing that is not secure is Java and flash as long as users and web designers continue to use them all windows os's will have a security problem.
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November 13, 2013 6:52:03 AM

If they just made a TRUE desktop mode for Windows 8 everybody would have better love for it. WHAT SO EFFIN COMPLICATED. With that said I cannot STAND the current version of windows 8.
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November 13, 2013 6:57:54 AM

Microsoft offers very little for business to do upgrade to windows 8 heck even windows 7 therefore why pay the cost. As far as security goes that's just BS. Microsoft releases security patches every month so it really doesn't matter whether you get them or not since there is always security problem they are not able to fix.
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November 13, 2013 6:58:32 AM

Sometimes i wonder if they even do something with those patches or just smoke and mirrors saying we are supporting it.
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November 13, 2013 7:09:42 AM

I work at a college where we have at least forty Pentium 3 und Celerons with 512Mb at the most. You wont expect to run Windows 8 in those museum pieces. XP runs.
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November 13, 2013 7:11:55 AM

I'm sticking with XP. I use W7 at work and do not like it. And as for W8, I'll switch to Linux before using W8.

Suggestion: maybe Toms hardware can provide a poll for XP users to report when the lack of support causes a problem with viruses, bots, malware, trojans, etc. It would be interesting to see if/when XP users experience problems when M$ support is withdrawn. I'm betting the problems do not increase when support is gone.
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November 13, 2013 7:13:06 AM

I'm sticking with XP. I use W7 at work and do not like it. And as for W8, I'll switch to Linux before using W8.

Suggestion: maybe Toms hardware can provide a poll for XP users to report when the lack of support causes a problem with viruses, bots, malware, trojans, etc. It would be interesting to see if/when XP users experience problems when M$ support is withdrawn. I'm betting the problems do not increase when support is gone.
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November 13, 2013 7:22:45 AM

Not..... I still have a machine that runs windows 98, because of old printer / cutter I use and no support for xp or other os: so Just not...
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November 13, 2013 7:30:03 AM

Hey MS, how about getting people excited about releasing a real DESKTOP operating system, instead of the consumer grade OS loaded with non-work related garbage, where the hell is my application in all these god damn tiles, frustrating to use that is Windows 8.1.
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November 13, 2013 7:30:47 AM

People who are still using winxp have hardware to are ridiculously outdated where they couldn't upgrade to 7 or 8 anyways even if they could. Also, I highly doubt M$ is worried about customers. They obviously don't give one iota about customer feedback with that garbage called windows 8.1 with that stupid metro ui and a useless start button. I don't know of a single business that's going to use that stupid interface.
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November 13, 2013 7:39:51 AM

Absentsa said:
How difficult can it be for a company the size of MS to keep XP security up to date?

It isn't so much a matter of difficulty as a matter of practical business sense: continuing to actively support a product that has been discontinued for years is a drain on financial and staff resources that generates little to no revenue.

If you were developing software, how many years would you be able and willing to spare the effort maintaining and supporting previous versions of your main products at your own expense? Few companies support their previous versions for more than two years after a new version launch.

XP is three major versions and a decade ago.
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November 13, 2013 7:43:27 AM

If M$ were really concerned, they would release the source to XP. Call it a community edition. I am sure they won't because the open source community would improve it and it would undercut win7 and 8 sales. Also, I bet they would be embarassed at what the code looks like compared to how an OS should be designed modularly (Linux). Modular design (especially for the GUI) would have solved the whole tablet interface, start button, desktop dilema. Too bad Linux and the Linux model didn't prevail. I'd chalk it up to gaming support a few years back. If Open GL would have been embraced by Nvidia and AMD, I think the world if geeks would have gravitated to a different landscape these days.
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November 13, 2013 7:45:04 AM

Avus said:
If microsoft worry so much about the lacks of windows upgrade, where is the $40 Win8 upgrade deal for all WinXP, WinVista, Win7 user?? I personally bought 4 of those when MS offered that $15/$40 upgrade deal when Win8 was released...


InvalidError said:
Absentsa said:
How difficult can it be for a company the size of MS to keep XP security up to date?

It isn't so much a matter of difficulty as a matter of practical business sense: continuing to actively support a product that has been discontinued for years is a drain on financial and staff resources that generates little to no revenue.

If you were developing software, how many years would you be able and willing to spare the effort maintaining and supporting previous versions of your main products at your own expense? Few companies support their previous versions for more than two years after a new version launch.

XP is three major versions and a decade ago.


Right? A $50K car doesn't even have manufacturer support after 12 years (most not even five years).
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November 13, 2013 7:51:41 AM

People who are still using winxp have hardware that are too ridiculously outdated where they couldn't upgrade to 7 or 8 anyways even if they could. Also, I highly doubt M$ is worried about customers. They obviously don't give one iota about customer feedback for that garbage called windows 8.1 with that stupid metro ui and a useless start button. I don't know of a single business that's going to use that stupid interface.
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November 13, 2013 7:57:46 AM

People/companies that have all they need in a XP machine are not "power" users who use new hardware/software, but imagine doing 3D rendering/ video editing/ photo editing into an XP machine... that`s plain stupid, you can`t blame MS for driving to newer OS and new needs. To blame is the lack of support for the software those companies use for not making newer versions available, want it or not, hardware and software will evolve.

Remember... there was a time when even Bill Gates thought that 640k ram was enough.
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November 13, 2013 7:58:26 AM

I wonder how much Microsoft is paying Mr. Kevin Parrish to publish the exact same "article" every week - just shuffle the words around a bit and voilá! Shame on you, Mr. Parrish.
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November 13, 2013 8:06:13 AM

Jordan, seriously, get off the Windows 8 hate train. Its not JUST a tablet OS, brother. Its a combination of a mobile desktop with the true Windows desktop. So what if it doesn't have the start button? So what if its DIFFERENT? Microsoft has had the same platform for years and years, and just this little bit of change pisses people off. I hate people.
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November 13, 2013 8:19:07 AM

The two computers I have with XP won't support Windows 7, let alone Windows 8. Even if they would, they're not worth the cost of an upgrade. Yet, both of them do exactly what I need them to do.
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November 13, 2013 8:43:17 AM

A lot of those PCs are just older PCs with no reason to upgrade so XP will stay a while until people start throwing those out.
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November 13, 2013 8:43:41 AM

A lot of those PCs are just older PCs with no reason to upgrade so XP will stay a while until people start throwing those out.
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November 13, 2013 8:48:53 AM

Why not make Windows 8.2 have the choice of XP interface? How about you can choose between kindergarten touch screen mode and classic XP mode? Make it affordable, and give consumers options, and they will buy.
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November 13, 2013 8:53:11 AM

Individual persons is one thing, companies and business on the other hand is something else. If the mom and pop grocery store down the street is using an XP box to run their "Potato Peeler 7000" machine with software that was made in 2001 and there are no updates from the manufacturer for vista/7/8, they're not going to fork over the money to upgrade the computer and operating system PLUS a new software license for the "Potato Peeler 9000", they will live with what they have until a windfall.
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November 13, 2013 9:02:02 AM

ohim said:
Remember... there was a time when even Bill Gates thought that 640k ram was enough.


bill gates has maintained for the last 30+ years that he never said that, and no one has ever been able to come up with proof he ever did. however, there is evidence that he said 640k was NOT enough.
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November 13, 2013 9:11:20 AM

iatemyelf said:
ohim said:
Remember... there was a time when even Bill Gates thought that 640k ram was enough.


bill gates has maintained for the last 30+ years that he never said that, and no one has ever been able to come up with proof he ever did. however, there is evidence that he said 640k was NOT enough.

You honestly expect people to find what actually happened instead of just believing what makes them feel better? Of course he didn't say that, no one who was using computers back in that time would ever say that cause they knew better.
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November 13, 2013 9:21:56 AM

The comments crack me up, especially the "I'm switching to Linux", good luck, when UAC came out people were listing it as top reasons to switch to Linux, I'm sorry but you can't sneeze on a proper Linux system with out entering a privileged user password. To all the XP people are you paying a yearly support subscription? No? Didn't think so. You can not expect a company to keep supporting a product that has seen 3 version updates. Even Linux's LTS (Long Term Support) Kernel is max 3 years. WinXP Embedded/RT(as in Real Time) are different they may have an extended end of life for Industrial process (and since when do you really need to change something so drastic).
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November 13, 2013 9:55:15 AM

@velocityg4: You had me going until you said "automation behind the scenes"

This is exactly what I don't want in an OS. I want to have absolute control over what my OS does, not have it do sneaky automatic things behind my back. I installed Windows 8 and then waged war with it for about 2 months until I finally got it under some semblance of control.
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