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Microsoft May Bring Full Start Menu Back in Windows 8.2

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December 11, 2013 1:34:19 PM

I think that the next windows should have the bottom toolbar of windows 7 INCLUDING the start button, and have that metro UI above it (along with the ability to have a background that the tiles move along so it is a little more personalized), so that you have easy access to everything important, and then you can also have the aesthetically pleasing Metro UI, because let's face it, wondows 7 isn't suuuuuper good looking.
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December 11, 2013 1:36:35 PM

I don't see why everyone loves the start menu so much. Sure it was good, but why trample all over innovation. Instead of asking for a outdated start menu, we should be asking for an improvement to the metro UI. In 10 years we could very well have holographic displays for the home user that work with eye gestures. menus are becoming obsolete.
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December 11, 2013 1:39:13 PM

oczdude8 said:
I don't see why everyone loves the start menu so much. Sure it was good, but why trample all over innovation. Instead of asking for a outdated start menu, we should be asking for an improvement to the metro UI. In 10 years we could very well have holographic displays for the home user that work with eye gestures. menus are becoming obsolete.


But the start menu is so simple and all of the things you need are right there at that one little button. I would much rather they make the start menu look modern than just scrap the entire thing altogether. Some things are better left unchanged.
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December 11, 2013 1:40:44 PM

I use windows 8/8.1 just fine, but it disgusts me how Microsoft lies about having "the old familiar start menu" back. Hopefully this won't be more BS.
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December 11, 2013 1:48:17 PM

Metro looks like X Windows did back in the early 90's, talk about a step backwards, why don't they make it look like Solaris, or OS/2....lol Windows 7 aero was pretty slick.
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December 11, 2013 2:02:38 PM

Metro UI is not an innovation.. even a preschool kid designs better UI, Microsoft must start recruiting some real talented guys than kids with fancy degrees..
I think if this continues.. this will be the downfall of windows... if Apple decides to come into PC market with their OS able to install on any PC, days are over for microsoft and apparently apple is not doing so..
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December 11, 2013 2:09:11 PM

Fale!
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December 11, 2013 2:14:28 PM

oczdude8 said:
I don't see why everyone loves the start menu so much. Sure it was good, but why trample all over innovation. Instead of asking for a outdated start menu, we should be asking for an improvement to the metro UI. In 10 years we could very well have holographic displays for the home user that work with eye gestures. menus are becoming obsolete.
I know there's a desire to keep evolving, but sometimes things evolve to where they need to be, become mature, and remain the best ways of doing something. For example, the ballpoint pen has largely replaced the fountain pen for everyday use. That doesn't mean that we now need some kind of crazy ink squiring pen just to change for the sake of changing, the ballpoint pen is still the best way to write for most people.

I'm not against something replacing the start menu if it's a true improvement, but this feels like change for its own sake.
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December 11, 2013 2:23:51 PM

I don't really get all the hoopla about the Metro UI. When it first appeared, I thought that it was going to be a dumb POS that would never work for a desktop or laptop machine. But I was curious and wanted to take advantage of Win8's other performance improvements, so I gave it a shot.

Well, I happen to like it. It is as fast as the old Start menu...one click to open it, and then one more click on the tile (shortcut), same as before, but with bigger icons and what I think is a cleaner layout. So personally I think that the Metro UI makes perfect sense and I use it on my personal PC and my work machines. It has not hindered anything, and it feels nice and fluid.

Is it "innovation"? Hard to say. Considering the other nonsense that counts as "innovation" these days, like apps that let you find hook-ups nearby and tweet your dog's dog food preferences, I'd say that this counts if that's the bar something has to meet.
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December 11, 2013 2:28:59 PM

they should just leave the Start Menu as a Windows option of the task-bar that you can turn on and off...

we all know (but may not admit) that the old desktop experience is utterly unusable in the tablet form factor, must like how Metro UI just makes desktop users more frustrated (and lost). just make the UI elements options and let the end user choose.
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December 11, 2013 2:31:31 PM

bmwman91 said:
I don't really get all the hoopla about the Metro UI. When it first appeared, I thought that it was going to be a dumb POS that would never work for a desktop or laptop machine. But I was curious and wanted to take advantage of Win8's other performance improvements, so I gave it a shot.

Well, I happen to like it. It is as fast as the old Start menu...one click to open it, and then one more click on the tile (shortcut), same as before, but with bigger icons and what I think is a cleaner layout. So personally I think that the Metro UI makes perfect sense and I use it on my personal PC and my work machines. It has not hindered anything, and it feels nice and fluid.

Is it "innovation"? Hard to say. Considering the other nonsense that counts as "innovation" these days, like apps that let you find hook-ups nearby and tweet your dog's dog food preferences, I'd say that this counts if that's the bar something has to meet.


it just feels intrusive when your entire screen changes when you try to access the 'start menu'. honestly, that's it. all the elements of the old start menu are still there, just in a different form. some of us have learned short-cut keys such as window+x, windows+s, etc etc, which reduces the need to open MetroUI dramatically.
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December 11, 2013 2:34:50 PM

It's really simple. Just make a damn Toggle. Give people the choice to use the old version or the new version period.

When Vista came out and had the newer style interface. If you went into Desktop Properties/Personalize you could revert back to a regular Classic windows desktop if you chose to do so. SIMPLE I don't understand how or why they think a lack of choice is such a bad thing. Stop trying to force people to change and allow them to change at their own pace jeez.

And I will go on record saying coding this to do this is literally a few lines away. The regular desktop is still there they just disabled features to make it problematic to use so it would seem work worse than metro so people would just use metro. its bull.
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December 11, 2013 2:36:36 PM

oczdude8 said:
I don't see why everyone loves the start menu so much. Sure it was good, but why trample all over innovation. Instead of asking for a outdated start menu, we should be asking for an improvement to the metro UI. In 10 years we could very well have holographic displays for the home user that work with eye gestures. menus are becoming obsolete.


Ok, give me a hierarchy like I had on the Start Menu. Instead of flipping through multiple pages let me just click on a tile that opens another screen of tiles to select from. This would work better for mouse users. I always had my start menu categorized to make it efficient to finding that program that I haven't used for the last 6 months.
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December 11, 2013 2:38:00 PM

It's less about being accustomed to the new way, and more of the fact that the old way is just more efficient. End of story. But apology accepted Microsoft, looks like you haven't completely ignored us.
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December 11, 2013 2:39:15 PM

oczdude8 said:
I don't see why everyone loves the start menu so much. Sure it was good, but why trample all over innovation. Instead of asking for a outdated start menu, we should be asking for an improvement to the metro UI. In 10 years we could very well have holographic displays for the home user that work with eye gestures. menus are becoming obsolete.


I agree conditionally. There is absolutely nothing about Windows 7 and earlier that should be considered sacred in my opinion; its never been a well-designed interface or one that made much sense. The Start menu tends to be a mess on most machines, and I have to believe there's some smarter alternative. I've always avoided using it.

I disagree on much of the rest. If the Metro interface is an innovation at all, its an artificial innovation—innovation purely for the sake of it, or to further Microsoft's agenda. It probably creates more UI design problems than it solves, and its clear that at best, users merely tolerate it. I've never met anyone, tech-savvy or not, that particularly wants to use Windows 8.

But then, that basically sums up Microsoft's business model for much of the Windows/Office/DirectX projects: if you have enough market ubiquity, users don't actually have to like your product. They need it.
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December 11, 2013 2:42:29 PM

i thought the change to 8.1 was decent (as far as putting the icon at the lower left). Using remote desktop into a system was a nightmare because you had to "fish" for the menu at the lower left. I didnt really like the new metro screen at first, other then not being able to change the tile color in 8.1 without oblytile i think its fine (but they need to change this so you can modify the color). i find myself hitting the start button and just starting to type what i am looking for which works pretty well/fast.
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December 11, 2013 2:43:56 PM

Codenamed: Windows 7.1
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December 11, 2013 2:52:41 PM

that would be nice, i have 8.1 and still can't find "all programs"...
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December 11, 2013 3:35:04 PM

Microsoft spent a fortune over 20 years convincing us that the ability to customize our desktop experience was important, functional, and even fun (desktop wallpaper, icons, and such). Now, suddenly, it is no longer true?
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December 11, 2013 4:39:34 PM

You guys complaining about the start menu being more efficient than a start screen just kill me. It's a few seconds more to move the mouse... if you're moving the mouse at all.

To launch any program on my computer, I press the windows button, type 2-4 letters, press enter, and I'm done. I find that more than efficient enough.
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December 11, 2013 4:57:25 PM

For all the people saying that the start button is a thing of the past....simply because Microsoft said it was: Give your head a shake. Let's also remember that the DOS prompt is still available! Would anyone care to claim that it's a thing of the past and serves no function?
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December 11, 2013 5:15:59 PM

Windows 8.2 is sound like a nice little OS and I'm considering the upgrade... But only if they allow the user to completely disable the stupid waste of space everywhere, and that thing in the right edge of the screen. Otherwise I'll stick with Windows 7.
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December 11, 2013 5:26:01 PM

I bought Start8 to get some Win7 appearance and function back. It's the only way to make a non-touch system functional. In MS's attempt to force their agenda on people they lose business and allow others to solve the problem they created. MS is simply arrogant and stupid.
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December 11, 2013 5:33:39 PM

I wish I believed that Microsoft learned the lesson that change is only for the good when the change is good, but I doubt it. They just learned that they can freely screw up and people will scream and shout at them until they change it back.

That said, it works. If Windows 8.2 allows me to boot into desktop (I know 8.1 has it already, but I don't trust MS not to yank it out), and use a small Start menu instead of a honking big Start screen, I'll buy it. If it actually allows me to control Metro apps from the desktop interface, I'll be thrilled.
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December 11, 2013 6:02:03 PM

Windows 8.1 is fine. I use it at home on my HTPC and at work. The start menu doesn't even matter because 99/100 times I hit the windows key and type what I want to run. What I'm excited about is metro apps in floating windows. Multitasking in the metro ui is horrible.
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December 11, 2013 6:17:04 PM

Penny Arcade summed it up best
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/06/28

Regardless, is they simply made Windows XP II ontop of the modern architecture they have now, they'd probably sell 1 billion copies in the 1st month. Every I know over 40 hates windows 8. Everyone I know over 50 is still using XP, or has switched to an iPad.
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December 11, 2013 6:17:39 PM

While they are at it they should bring back Aero as well. They took it out to make the desktop less appealing.
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December 11, 2013 6:24:07 PM

METRO:
It has interesting features, even for a desktop. The MAIN problem aside from the Start Menu issue is that very few programs have been written for it. Thus it ends up as a place for SHORTCUTS that take you back to the regular desktop.

When using programs that are designed to work in the new interface it works VERY WELL.

I think the option of MERGING the screens is a good one, at least until more programs rewrite to work in METRO and they fine-tune the interface.

Having said that, I think I'll always want a bottom TASKBAR.
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December 11, 2013 6:31:43 PM

It doesn't work very well. It's much slower, it takes the "windows" off of Windows and is as ugly as a blind bitch, no disrespect for the poor animal.
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December 11, 2013 7:14:39 PM

jn77 said:
Metro looks like X Windows did back in the early 90's, talk about a step backwards, why don't they make it look like Solaris, or OS/2....lol Windows 7 aero was pretty slick.


I like Aero too. You can use Fraps to find out what FPS the desktop is running. :D 

gman97005 said:
that would be nice, i have 8.1 and still can't find "all programs"...

In the Start Screen, move mouse to bottom left area, there will be a down arrow, click on that to go to All Programs.
When your in All Programs, in that same area, click on the up arrow to go back to Start Screen.
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December 11, 2013 7:18:09 PM

Windows 8.2 needs a "Smack upside the head" button that activates an hydraulic arm that smacks upside the head of the person who decided to remove the start button in the first place.
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December 11, 2013 7:50:29 PM

I honestly don't know if I would use the start menu again. I've learned how to navigate Windows 8 just as fast or even faster than my Windows 7 experience. The more stable framerates in games also make Windows 8 "not that bad."
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December 11, 2013 7:57:25 PM

If they do it, and I think the the PC manufacturers are going to make them do it, then I will actually upgrade to Windows 8.2 (from 7).

New and different does not always equal better.

While it's great that MS FINALLY made a version of Windows that works well with tablets, the end user should always have the option of turning this on and off.

No the option to do so should not be limited to desktop PCs. While many tablets will be used as tablets, many will also be used with a keyboard and a mouse, at least situationally. The end user should have the power to configure the setup however they want. They are the ones, after all, who pay for it.
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December 11, 2013 9:02:29 PM

I think microsoft should include an auto detect software that recognizes computer with or without touch screen control. If with touch, enable metro ui. If not, straight to start menu button and task bar.
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December 11, 2013 9:03:55 PM

I think microsoft should include an auto detect software that recognizes computer with or without touch screen control. If with touch, enable metro ui. If not, straight to start menu button and task bar.
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December 11, 2013 9:17:13 PM

I'm not missing the Start menu, but removing the choice of having one, was pretty stupid (from consumer perspective anyways).
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December 11, 2013 9:46:13 PM

For an OS that is trying to be the OS for everything and everyone, they sure made it the OS not for current Windows users.
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December 11, 2013 10:19:28 PM

Wow...it seems like I might be moving to Win 8 after all (I can get a license for free and I'm still sticking with my beloved windows 7)
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December 11, 2013 10:54:54 PM

If any average person who picked up the new Metro UI can do whatever they used to do in past "smoothly", then this is a piece of good inovation.
Matter of fact, I have to "google" to find out where is the "start" and the "shut down" are hidden.
Maybe it's because I'm stupid, not meeting the "recommended minimum spec" of Metro UI?
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December 11, 2013 11:39:02 PM

My main gripe with Windows 8/8.1 is simply that I think it looks goddamn ugly. I do not see the point of the Metro start screen (if you have lots of applications on your computer, finding that one icon you want on that screen is like "where's Waldo"), but I use Windows key+typing anyway, plus icons on the desktop. But the changes to the desktop look (Window borders, general "look and feel") are, to me, a MAJOR step back aesthetically. Like someone wrote here, it looks like old school X Windows or as if they found an old copy of Windows 1.0 and thought "hey, THAT looks nice!". I *much* prefer the Windows 7 Aero look.
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December 12, 2013 12:11:33 AM

I just gave up and started using The Prompt to launch apps. It's in beta but it works great (theprompt.com).
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December 12, 2013 12:50:33 AM

To Late M$ !! People are ready jumping out from your ship :D 
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December 12, 2013 12:55:47 AM

Well if this is any indication of a future without balmer - then I'm in but I've gotta see it to believe it.
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December 12, 2013 1:11:29 AM

gman97005 said:
that would be nice, i have 8.1 and still can't find "all programs"...


It`s the bloody down arrow when you are on the Start screen, the difference between 8 and 8.1 is that the start now has only your desired programs, to access everything else you either push that down arrow to see everything installed or simply type what you look.

Saw some pics on google on how this new start might look and it`s terrible. I hope i`ll have the option to also have the current Start screen that 8.1 has.
Jordan Nwokolo said:
To Late M$ !! People are ready jumping out from your ship :D 


This happens only in your mind dude. The fact that there are guys hating the missing start button and clumsy menu style didn`t make anybody jump any ship.
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December 12, 2013 2:05:25 AM

As a PC gamer, I need my desktop full of games shortcuts, not tiles.
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December 12, 2013 3:54:30 AM

While they're at it, how about a Start Menu All Programs organizer and the option to use the Quick Launch toolbar without us having to Right-Click, add a toolbar to the Task Bar which is actually a folder, hiding the Text/Titles and dragging it over to its proper place.
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December 12, 2013 5:04:27 AM

I've run Windows 8 since the preview edition and bought it after, and have ran classic shell since the start and have never seen the tile interface and had my start menu since then as well. If it wasn't for Classic Shell, I would have went back to Windows 7. Can't stand the tiles on a desktop.
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December 12, 2013 5:40:41 AM

Windows 8, in my opinion, is good and bad. The unified interface is a good idea in theory, but not implementing this functionality across devices when this is what you're selling was a bad way to go.

Problems I've had with Windows 8:

For the fourth time, my Windows 8 install errors out when trying to use windows update with a general error. The OS is telling me there are important updates to install, but when I choose to do so, the OS fails to do so. In the past, I've referred to knowledge base articles that guided me through deleting the appropriate update log files that have become somehow corrupted.

My Windows 8 install constantly sees my 'sleeping' network printer as offline and won't wake it up.

When it does run updates, my Windows 8 install doesn't let me know when it's running automatic updates in the background so performance is severely degraded during the update but there's nothing explicitly telling me why.

When I open an Acrobat reader file from the desktop, it takes me to the metro edition.

A few times, upon login, my Windows 8 install provides me with the message that the login service is not currently running.

Updating the OS, printing to network printers, logging into a system with multiple users... These are all things we've been doing for 20 plus years in some Windows OS and they still don't work flawlessly in Windows 8.

I honestly cannot see where Windows 8 is an improvement over Windows 7. Windows 8 is the Windows ME or the Windows Vista of the modern day. It's a crap OS with a lot of good ideas that have been poorly implemented and unleashed on the public. There is currently no advantage to using this OS other than touch functionality if you want to hang out in the tablet-esque world of the metro interface.

If your primary use of a PC is shopping, playing simple games, engaging with social media channels, or simply browsing the web, just like with other tablet OS's, Windows 8 is a winner.

If productivity or development are more your speed, Windows 8 is definitely not for you and Windows 8 will provide you with a dysfunctional dual-personality OS. Even with the 8.1 update, the desktop is still bound to the metro interface in some ways.
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