Need advice on building a cost-effective gaming computer for <$2500

[Youngwoony]

Hello All,

I'm in the market to build a new gaming computer. My budget is <$2500, but obviously, the lower the better. I'm hoping to smoothly run high-end graphics games at top settings. I fully admit I'm a newbie, having built one computer previously. Here are my choices from Newegg so far- Feel freel to make suggestions for replacements, additions, overkill, limiting point, missing component, etc:

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-16GXM


ASRock X79 Extreme6 LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard


Intel Core i7-4930K Ivy Bridge-E 3.4GHz LGA 2011 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80633i74930K


Cooler Master Hyper N520 - CPU Cooler with Copper Base and 5 Heatpipes


EVGA ACX Cooler 03G-P4-2784-KR GeForce GTX 780 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card


Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive


CORSAIR RM Series RM850 850W ATX12V v2.31 and EPS 2.92 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply


Razer DeathStalker Expert Gaming Keyboard


Logitech G602 910-003820 Black 1 x Wheel USB RF Wireless Gaming Mouse


ASUS Black Blu-ray Drive SATA Model BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS


NZXT Phantom PHAN-001WT White Steel / Plastic Enthusiast ATX Full Tower Computer Case


ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms (GTG) HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LCD 3D Monitor


BOSE® 354495-1100 Bose Companion 2 Multimedia Speaker System Series 3

 

[g-unit1111]

X79 - not in any way shape or form cost effective for a gaming rig. Too much investment for almost no payoff in terms of what you gain on performance. And from my personal experience I find Razer peripherals to be extremely overrated for what you get when you could get something far better for the same or less. And BD-R is not necessary on a PC anymore, actually you don't even really need an optical drive to begin with.

This is how you should spend that kind of money:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($222.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Water 3.0 Extreme 99.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme6 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($178.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($123.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($86.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card ($699.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Phantom 630 (Gunmetal) ATX Full Tower Case ($175.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: NZXT HALE90 V2 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($168.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1809.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-13 16:38 EST-0500)

That's nearly $600 less and gives you money to invest in far better peripherals and a nicer high res or ultra wide monitor.

 

[ryanferrall]

Hi,
I can just advise you something here as I've been playing high end games with massive multi-player gaming (like BF2, BF3, BF4, Crysis, MOH, NFS etc)....

You should need to study about few thing as you budget is little bit limited...

Use AMD FX 8350 and above processor with MSI 990 FX Mobo with MSI 6670 GPU for basic or 7770 DDR 5 least 1Gb, 4 GB 2133 MHZ (at least 1866 Mhz) RAM SMPS of least 400 Watt, Cabinet of your choose and you sought ed..

You may have question Why AMD, MSI then Radeon ....

Reasons ...

Check tech spec for PS4 you get answer then and there...

still doubt just wiki about it...

 

[Youngwoony]

Thanks! Good thing I asked on this forum. Follow-up questions:

1. Would the Ivy Bridge i7-4930K help future-proof my computer at all, or is it completely overkill?
2. Could you recommend some great keyboard&mouse?
3. What's a tested, well-reviewed monitor, and where would I get it?

 

[azzazel_99]

Those gpu's are low end stuff. The first recommended system with the gtx780ti is a good build. I'd go with a 4770k though and air cool. Im not a huge fan of liquid cooling.

 

[azzazel_99]

You also want 8gb of ram minimum. The 6670 and 7770 are more low end gpus for your budget. Stay 780 or higher or 290 radeon or higher.

 

[Youngwoony]

Those gpu's are low end stuff. The first recommended system with the gtx780ti is a good build. I'd go with a 4770k though and air cool. Im not a huge fan of liquid cooling.

Is the i7-4930 worth the money?
Can I air cool the i7-4930?

 

[ryanferrall]

Thanks! Good thing I asked on this forum. Follow-up questions:

1. Would the Ivy Bridge i7-4930K help future-proof my computer at all, or is it completely overkill?
2. Could you recommend some great keyboard&mouse?
3. What's a tested, well-reviewed monitor, and where would I get it?

Hi,

Well its a good choose as long as you can afford it ....
though its good CPU and yes it is a good investment..

For Gaming mice it goes by dpi which goes by resolution you use to play game..
For 1080p anything below 2500 dpi is Ok (just barely touching the boundaries) ..
and if you running 1366 X 786 (somewhat HD) its sufficient... (prefer hardwired)

Brand for Mice Logitech is well known and Razer .. choose is yours..
same goes for Keyboard..

For Monitor... (Why monitor)
use HDMI buy good TV and play with big screen or if you have budget buy 3 Monitor Least 21inch 1080p (enjoy real gaming)

Thats all I can type...

 

[Youngwoony]

Looks like the cooler master CPU cooler is only compatible with LGA1366 / LGA1155 / LGA775 /LGA1150 .... Can you guys recommend an alternative for LGA 2011??

 

[Youngwoony]

So far I need recommendations on:

Motherboard (Compatible with i7-4930 LGA 2011)
Great monitor***
CPU cooler

 

[azzazel_99]

4930 processor is a waste of money.

 

[LouieG02]

Here's what i have buddy if you were seriously looking into buying it with a budget of 2500, go for this! not only would you not need to upgrade, you would rape games for frames! like seriously this machine would be a BEAST!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial V4 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($54.95 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($679.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($679.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: NZXT NZXT H230 Black ATX Mid Tower ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: CoolMax 1000W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $2182.81
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-13 18:12 EST-0500)

 

[Codyha12]

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2jQxE

 

[RedJaron]

Umm, "cost-effective" and "$2,500 budget" are kind of mutually exclusive. I mean yes, you can get the most cost-effective parts for the money, but just because you have that much money to spend, doesn't mean you need to. If this is for gaming, why not save a couple hundred and buy new games with the money?

I also say the X79 / LGA 2011 platform is a waste for a gaming priority machine. The extra cores will not be utilized outside of any professional type app. Unless you're doing heavy video encoding or 3D design and rendering, stick with 115X. In this type of use, the 2011 will just be more expensive up front and cost more to run as it sucks down the power. It's also possible the 4930 will be slower than the 4670 since it's Ivy Bridge, and not the more efficient Haswell architecture. If you want the extra threads, why not step up to 4770 and still save money over the 4930?

If you want the "ultimate gaming machine" and have this much to spend, may I humbly submit the following?

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($79.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme6 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($178.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($144.95 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 3TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($119.16 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($86.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card ($704.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DX 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card ($77.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Silverstone RV03B-W ATX Full Tower Case ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($114.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $2095.95

Even this list is overkill in a few ways.

• 
  ■ If you want extra cores that may or may not be used for "future-proofing" get the 4770K over the 4670K. But saving $100 on the i5 is perfectly valid too.
  ■ The Extreme6 adds a little extra OCing support, but the Extreme4 will do almost as well and saves a lot of money too. I mean, why would you need dual LAN ports?
  ■ I've got a three tier storage solution here. The SSD is for your OS and your most time-sensitive apps. Then you've got a 7200rp spindle for the rest of the apps you need to run. Then you've got a slower storage drive for all your data and files.
  ■ A 780 Ti will shred any game you throw on it on nearly any single display. This PSU can also handle a second 780 Ti if you so happen to want it. The Raven case can also handle any type of cooling needs you may have.
  ■ And I even through in a Xonar card so you could have awesome audio in just about anything you'd want to do.

This still leaves you with $400 for your monitor and other peripherals. And really, I could easily pair this back another couple of hundred and still not lose any appreciable game performance.

 

[g-unit1111]

Thanks! Good thing I asked on this forum. Follow-up questions:

1. Would the Ivy Bridge i7-4930K help future-proof my computer at all, or is it completely overkill?
2. Could you recommend some great keyboard&mouse?
3. What's a tested, well-reviewed monitor, and where would I get it?

1. No.

2. Keyboard: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=73954&vpn=GK%2DOSMIUM%20RED&manufacture=Gigabyte
Mouse: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=53878&vpn=MCB4370500B2%2F04%2F1&manufacture=Saitek

Or: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=79081&vpn=MO%2DLTM009DT&manufacture=Tt%20eSports%20by%20Thermaltake&promoid=1223

3. There's a lot more parameters I would need before suggesting a monitor like preferred brand, resolution, refresh rate, etc etc.

I've got a three tier storage solution here. The SSD is for your OS and your most time-sensitive apps. Then you've got a 7200rp spindle for the rest of the apps you need to run. Then you've got a slower storage drive for all your data and files.

Why is that necessary? You really only need two drives unless you get a third for backups.

And I even through in a Xonar card so you could have awesome audio in just about anything you'd want to do.

That's something that I personally would not spend money on even if you are buying some high end speakers. Really all you need is the onboard anymore.

Here's what i have buddy if you were seriously looking into buying it with a budget of 2500, go for this! not only would you not need to upgrade, you would rape games for frames! like seriously this machine would be a BEAST!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial V4 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($54.95 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($679.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($679.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: NZXT NZXT H230 Black ATX Mid Tower ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: CoolMax 1000W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $2182.81
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-13 18:12 EST-0500)

You'd seriously trust dual GTX 780TIs to a POS Coolmax power supply and a locked processor? Unless you like doing this I would definitely advise against that:

 

[RedJaron]

I've got a three tier storage solution here. The SSD is for your OS and your most time-sensitive apps. Then you've got a 7200rp spindle for the rest of the apps you need to run. Then you've got a slower storage drive for all your data and files.

Why is that necessary? You really only need two drives unless you get a third for backups.

And I even through in a Xonar card so you could have awesome audio in just about anything you'd want to do.

That's something that I personally would not spend money on even if you are buying some high end speakers. Really all you need is the onboard anymore.

Neither are necessary, nor is spending $2500 on a gaming machine. I said some of it was overkill and could easily be paired back.

The SSD isn't large enough to install every application you have. You just put the most important or commonly used ones on it so they start up instantly. Every other application can go on the fast spindle drive. The third drive is a slower spindle for storage files and data only. Yes, you can get a simpler setup with only one spindle drive, but if someone feels they "have" to spend the money, there's no reason you can't get specialized storage.

And no, I wouldn't generally get a sound card either. Again, if someone feels they "have" to have one, here it is. The Xonar also has the advantage of adding Dolby Digital Live for 5.1 game audio over S/PDIF, something the mboard can't do ( the ALC1150 is limited to DTS-Connect alone. ) As someone who has a Turtle Beach DSP that can only read DD and not DTS, this can come in handy.

 

[Youngwoony]

As I said initially, the more savings, the better. At the same time, I'd like to future-proof the computer as much as possible- hence the word cost-effective. To note, I mean $2500 including ALL peripherals. Thanks all for the advise! Really helps.


I'm looking for a monitor that will have 24inch+ widescreen and that will not show breaking even when the fps is very high, etc. I'm no expert on this, but I say this because my previous experience with ASUS VE228 has been terrible. Basically, I want a monitor that can handle the info coming from the computer/games perfectly without the need for gpu adjustments, vsync, etc. Not sure if that makes sense, but I hope it indicates what I'm looking to obtain.

 

[g-unit1111]

Hi,
I can just advise you something here as I've been playing high end games with massive multi-player gaming (like BF2, BF3, BF4, Crysis, MOH, NFS etc)....

You should need to study about few thing as you budget is little bit limited...

Use AMD FX 8350 and above processor with MSI 990 FX Mobo with MSI 6670 GPU for basic or 7770 DDR 5 least 1Gb, 4 GB 2133 MHZ (at least 1866 Mhz) RAM SMPS of least 400 Watt, Cabinet of your choose and you sought ed..

You may have question Why AMD, MSI then Radeon ....

Reasons ...

Check tech spec for PS4 you get answer then and there...

still doubt just wiki about it...

$2500 is a limited budget and you're basing a gaming PC off console specs? Wow.

The SSD isn't large enough to install every application you have. You just put the most important or commonly used ones on it so they start up instantly. Every other application can go on the fast spindle drive. The third drive is a slower spindle for storage files and data only. Yes, you can get a simpler setup with only one spindle drive, but if someone feels they "have" to spend the money, there's no reason you can't get specialized storage.

Yeah but the way I see it is that you can always add or remove drives as you need them.

 

[RedJaron]

As I said initially, the more savings, the better. At the same time, I'd like to future-proof the computer as much as possible- hence the word cost-effective. To note, I mean $2500 including ALL peripherals.

Ok, with that info, let's start with something like this:

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($222.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($79.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($151.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($145.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card ($729.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Silverstone RV03B-W ATX Full Tower Case ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($114.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1808.87

This keeps nearly all the power from my last part list, but trims away the fat and some of the superfluous stuff. And you still have $700 left in your budget for your display and peripherals ( I don't usually go into those, since mouse, keyboard, and monitor are almost entirely personal preference. )

 

[Marcopolo123]

~1k pc can easily run all upcoming games smoothly. save the money for future, more cost efficient upgrades if needed.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($139.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Video Card ($406.13 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: BenQ XL2420TE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($279.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1269.05
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-14 05:20 EST-0500)




beautiful 1440p monitor :
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/qnix-monitor-qx2710matte

 

[g-unit1111]

As I said initially, the more savings, the better. At the same time, I'd like to future-proof the computer as much as possible- hence the word cost-effective. To note, I mean $2500 including ALL peripherals. Thanks all for the advise! Really helps.


I'm looking for a monitor that will have 24inch+ widescreen and that will not show breaking even when the fps is very high, etc. I'm no expert on this, but I say this because my previous experience with ASUS VE228 has been terrible. Basically, I want a monitor that can handle the info coming from the computer/games perfectly without the need for gpu adjustments, vsync, etc. Not sure if that makes sense, but I hope it indicates what I'm looking to obtain.

There's no such thing as completely future proofing a system. You just don't know what's going to come down the pike 5 - 6 years from now. Going with an FX-8320 I would advise against especially on your budget and stay away from the Radeon R9 290 and 290X because of the heating issues.

 

[sacara21]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Swiftech H220 55.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($149.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus Maximus VI Hero ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($98.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card ($699.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($122.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($266.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Ducky DK9008 Shine 3 Red LED Backlit (Blue Cherry MX) Wired Standard Keyboard ($149.00 @ Mechanical Keyboards)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder 2013 Wired Optical Mouse ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $2496.85
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-14 17:28 EST-0500)

This is what I would do. You can save money by cutting down to an i5 and 8gb of ram, which is plenty for gaming.

 

[azzazel_99]

dont go with windows 7 for a OS. Newer games are going to be optimized for 8 as bf4 already is. 8.2 is supposed to have the start menu back and there are tons of free programs you can download for 8 and 8.1 to bring back the old style gui and get rid of the trash one that is windows 8. Other than that and the liquid cooler that build above me looks good.

 

[ryanferrall]

dont go with windows 7 for a OS. Newer games are going to be optimized for 8 as bf4 already is. 8.2 is supposed to have the start menu back and there are tons of free programs you can download for 8 and 8.1 to bring back the old style gui and get rid of the trash one that is windows 8. Other than that and the liquid cooler that build above me looks good.

Hi,
I appreciate your effort for Windows 8 but trust me windows 8 is not stable OS as you might heard about Vista which is withdrawn by windows as a fact soon you will see that will going to happen with 8 or close to it.
Window 7 has stable base as its not experiment such as Windows 8 which created to work in different hardware environment but can bearably sustain one...
I've supported all kind of Hardware's ...
Trust me its not something you should recommend to any one it some thing just to go along with

 

[azzazel_99]

I have not had a single issue with windows 8.0 or windows 8.1. I love it! No driver issues, no lagginess no problems at all so maybe you have heard issues with it but i run it on my gaming rig and 3 other desktops in my house including my wifes laptop and none have had any issues at all some of which are running fairly old hardware.