What's behind all these school shootings?
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4Ryan6
December 18, 2013 12:06:34 AM
When I was younger going through school and we had arguments with others, we had the same problems with bullying and such as that, we avoided those popular for bullying as much as possible, and occasionally got our butts kicked when they caught up to us.
We had many fights on the school bus and after school and such as that, but we never even considered taking a gun or knife to school, even though they were available to most all of us!
What is going on today people?
What creates a mental attitude that a young person decides to self destruct and take others with them in the process?
Has technology of today affected the minds of individuals to the point of no return, through long term violent gaming?
Or is it drugs?
Peer pressure?
Or a combination of it all?
We had many fights on the school bus and after school and such as that, but we never even considered taking a gun or knife to school, even though they were available to most all of us!
What is going on today people?
What creates a mental attitude that a young person decides to self destruct and take others with them in the process?
Has technology of today affected the minds of individuals to the point of no return, through long term violent gaming?
Or is it drugs?
Peer pressure?
Or a combination of it all?
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JOHNN93
December 18, 2013 12:23:59 AM
religion can be a major factor here and isues that ocure in teens while they are growing up.
technology sometmes to teens is a escape.being stuck in a virtual world of lol and wow.
"call of duty rocks lol"
usualy with people with a lack of self contious and low profile.
and lack of responsibility.
now to blow your self up man that needs ******.
usualy hapens to people that hate living and have lost everything.might not be money or a family member but his relationship with a girl.
technology sometmes to teens is a escape.being stuck in a virtual world of lol and wow.
"call of duty rocks lol"
usualy with people with a lack of self contious and low profile.
and lack of responsibility.
now to blow your self up man that needs ******.
usualy hapens to people that hate living and have lost everything.might not be money or a family member but his relationship with a girl.
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musical marv
December 18, 2013 5:10:28 PM
4Ryan6 said:
When I was younger going through school and we had arguments with others, we had the same problems with bullying and such as that, we avoided those popular for bullying as much as possible, and occasionally got our butts kicked when they caught up to us. We had many fights on the school bus and after school and such as that, but we never even considered taking a gun or knife to school, even though they were available to most all of us!
What is going on today people?
What creates a mental attitude that a young person decides to self destruct and take others with them in the process?
Has technology of today affected the minds of individuals to the point of no return, through long term violent gaming?
Or is it drugs?
Peer pressure?
Or a combination of it all?
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gropouce
December 19, 2013 12:56:42 AM
Education, i guess.
When i was i child, if i didn't show a minimum of respect for others, i was a$$-kicked until death.
yesterday, at work, a 12y.o guys tell me to do something to my mother because he had to wait too much time before i examine him. (he said he has a broken arm and actually had nothing like this, but nevermind.)
I just hope it is "bad times" and "things will get better", but...
When i was i child, if i didn't show a minimum of respect for others, i was a$$-kicked until death.
yesterday, at work, a 12y.o guys tell me to do something to my mother because he had to wait too much time before i examine him. (he said he has a broken arm and actually had nothing like this, but nevermind.)
I just hope it is "bad times" and "things will get better", but...
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dogman_1234
December 19, 2013 3:10:26 AM
I cannot give an answer. I don't own a weapon of any sort, I have no real enemies,( just people whom generally have pissed me off,) and I have not pre-meditated any crimes.
The last guy who got on my nerves, got the cold shoulder, and a kid on a flight to Seattle.
I just walk away.
Coudn't tell you, since many here are gun owners; they may have some more insight. Could be the easy access for younger Americans to utilize as a leveraging tool against their anger at the world. I blame the parents for not buying safes and/or safeguarding guns from ill-gotten people, like their hormonal teens. Another reason: parents are not willing to educate young Willy on the proper safety of gun use, and the appropriate times to use it.
The last guy who got on my nerves, got the cold shoulder, and a kid on a flight to Seattle.
I just walk away.
Coudn't tell you, since many here are gun owners; they may have some more insight. Could be the easy access for younger Americans to utilize as a leveraging tool against their anger at the world. I blame the parents for not buying safes and/or safeguarding guns from ill-gotten people, like their hormonal teens. Another reason: parents are not willing to educate young Willy on the proper safety of gun use, and the appropriate times to use it.
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gropouce said:
Education, i guess.When i was i child, if i didn't show a minimum of respect for others, i was a$$-kicked until death.
yesterday, at work, a 12y.o guys tell me to do something to my mother because he had to wait too much time before i examine him. (he said he has a broken arm and actually had nothing like this, but nevermind.)
I just hope it is "bad times" and "things will get better", but...
gropouce in that instance you must immediately administer a short 2 second 200volt dose at 10mA to the temples with the small paddles provided in the cart.
Don't use the conductive cream or worry about the mouth guard ...
That should solve the statements from patients about your mother.
We all know she is a wonderful woman because she didn't throw you in the river in that sack.
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chunkymonster
December 19, 2013 9:34:17 AM
Make no mistake, the majority of the individuals who has committed a mass shooting has been mentally ill.
Yes! Mentally ill! The majority of them! Look it up, research it!
But if your lazy, read it from one of the most anti-gun leftist publications available...Mother Jones!
More than half of the cases involved school or workplace shootings (12 and 20, respectively); the other 30 cases took place in locations including shopping malls, restaurants, and religious and government buildings. Forty four of the killers were white males. Only one of them was a woman. (See Goleta, Calif., in 2006.) The average age of the killers was 35, though the youngest among them was a mere 11 years old. (See Jonesboro, Ark., in 1998.) A majority were mentally troubled—and many displayed signs of it before setting out to kill.
Not guns. Not technology. Not the wrong law. Not gun show loopholes. Not drugs, but maybe the lack of proper medications. Not pressure. None of those! A skewed perception of reality is the culprit; mental health.
Also, research what the ACA has done to address and/or mitigate the issue of mental health. Don't be surprised when you learn the answer is effectively nothing!
Yes! Mentally ill! The majority of them! Look it up, research it!
But if your lazy, read it from one of the most anti-gun leftist publications available...Mother Jones!
More than half of the cases involved school or workplace shootings (12 and 20, respectively); the other 30 cases took place in locations including shopping malls, restaurants, and religious and government buildings. Forty four of the killers were white males. Only one of them was a woman. (See Goleta, Calif., in 2006.) The average age of the killers was 35, though the youngest among them was a mere 11 years old. (See Jonesboro, Ark., in 1998.) A majority were mentally troubled—and many displayed signs of it before setting out to kill.
Not guns. Not technology. Not the wrong law. Not gun show loopholes. Not drugs, but maybe the lack of proper medications. Not pressure. None of those! A skewed perception of reality is the culprit; mental health.
Also, research what the ACA has done to address and/or mitigate the issue of mental health. Don't be surprised when you learn the answer is effectively nothing!
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4Ryan6
December 20, 2013 2:45:51 AM
gropouce
December 20, 2013 3:25:17 AM
chunkymonster said:
Make no mistake, the majority of the individuals who has committed a mass shooting has been mentally ill.Yes! Mentally ill! The majority of them! Look it up, research it!
I can't agree with that.
Too many people screams at "mentally illness" when they are confronted to a behavior they can't understand.
The same happens with children who, lack of parental authority, are diagnosing a hyperactivity and concentration impaired while a good slap in the mouth would solve many problems.
Today, the child is the king in too many houses, and that's THE problem.
How many parents wants they children to pass IQ tests and other stuff like this?? they all want their babies to be special and the kid grows with this idea in mind. No surprise if this little piece of shit blows up the day when someone tells him "no".
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4Ryan6
December 21, 2013 2:19:33 AM
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-affluenza-anger-lawsuits-jail-time-texas-20131219,0,277751.story#axzz2o6SgVUx2
Affluenza?
Never even heard of that word until this case.
Defined.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affluenza
So actually society breeds it's own problems and monsters.
Affluenza?
Never even heard of that word until this case.
Defined.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affluenza
So actually society breeds it's own problems and monsters.
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musical marv
December 21, 2013 5:14:51 PM
gropouce said:
Education, i guess.When i was i child, if i didn't show a minimum of respect for others, i was a$$-kicked until death.
yesterday, at work, a 12y.o guys tell me to do something to my mother because he had to wait too much time before i examine him. (he said he has a broken arm and actually had nothing like this, but nevermind.)
I just hope it is "bad times" and "things will get better", but...
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chunkymonster
December 23, 2013 5:46:33 AM
Best solution
chunkymonster
December 23, 2013 5:55:23 AM
gropouce said:
I can't agree with that.Too many people screams at "mentally illness" when they are confronted to a behavior they can't understand.
The same happens with children who, lack of parental authority, are diagnosing a hyperactivity and concentration impaired while a good slap in the mouth would solve many problems.
Today, the child is the king in too many houses, and that's THE problem.
How many parents wants they children to pass IQ tests and other stuff like this?? they all want their babies to be special and the kid grows with this idea in mind. No surprise if this little piece of shit blows up the day when someone tells him "no".
Cultural difference aside, gropouce, mental illness is not behaviors some people fail understand. When someone admits that the voices in their head tells them to hurt or kill themselves; or worse, hurt and kill other people, it's not a case of understanding their behavior. Hurting yourself goes against basic human instinct. Having mental illness in the family, it is a definite chemical unbalance and only counseling and proper pharmaceuticals can ease the symptoms.
I totally agree that most children could use a good smack in the mouth! And, I also totally agree that some parents today let their kids run all over them. I see it at every Cub Scout meeting. The two things children need the most is structure and discipline!
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gropouce
December 25, 2013 9:38:45 AM
chunkymonster said:
gropouce said:
I can't agree with that.Too many people screams at "mentally illness" when they are confronted to a behavior they can't understand.
The same happens with children who, lack of parental authority, are diagnosing a hyperactivity and concentration impaired while a good slap in the mouth would solve many problems.
Today, the child is the king in too many houses, and that's THE problem.
How many parents wants they children to pass IQ tests and other stuff like this?? they all want their babies to be special and the kid grows with this idea in mind. No surprise if this little piece of shit blows up the day when someone tells him "no".
Cultural difference aside, gropouce, mental illness is not behaviors some people fail understand. When someone admits that the voices in their head tells them to hurt or kill themselves; or worse, hurt and kill other people, it's not a case of understanding their behavior. Hurting yourself goes against basic human instinct. Having mental illness in the family, it is a definite chemical unbalance and only counseling and proper pharmaceuticals can ease the symptoms.
Actually, you're wrong (on my own and only point of view), especially with the human instinct stuff.
Actually, i've already work in prison. I've seen many guys who talked about seeing people that no-one else could see; or hearing voices...
Defining someone as having a mental illness is not something so easy to do. Believe me.
That's why i always walk carefully when i'm talking about mental illness. And i can't believe that "the majority of the individuals who has committed a mass shooting has been mentally ill.", especially if they talked about hearing voices.
PS; I admit, i did not understand the last sentence of this quote... so i may have misunderstood, sorry if it's the case.
But we both know that a slap could resolve many discipline problems, so, i'm not worried.
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Sure gropouce ... a good slapping ... I was never much for that though ... i felt guilty beating my kids.
If i recall, about the only time I smacked my kids usually related to them being in imminent danger ... going to cross the road without looking, trying to stick a knife into a power point, putting the hand up too close to the stove ... that sort of thing.
What I do agree to, and i think this might be the point your making, is that firm and constistem parenting (positive reinforcement for good behaviour) and extinction, and negative reinforcement, with a dab of aversive conditioning for poor behaviour produces results.
Morover, I have a good relationship with my wife, so the kids see how to behave toward women appropriately.
Kids go off the rails when you provide a poor family environment.
I know this for a fact because over the past couple of days I have had 3 extra kids staying here, and two parties ... why? Well the kids like to be at my place, because our environment is a happy one.
Not sayign things are perfect, but none of my four boys have ever been in trouble with the law ... the only cops who visit are friends of ours.
I may be the king in the house but the wife is the queen ... the boys probably fear her wrath more than mine.
If i recall, about the only time I smacked my kids usually related to them being in imminent danger ... going to cross the road without looking, trying to stick a knife into a power point, putting the hand up too close to the stove ... that sort of thing.
What I do agree to, and i think this might be the point your making, is that firm and constistem parenting (positive reinforcement for good behaviour) and extinction, and negative reinforcement, with a dab of aversive conditioning for poor behaviour produces results.
Morover, I have a good relationship with my wife, so the kids see how to behave toward women appropriately.
Kids go off the rails when you provide a poor family environment.
I know this for a fact because over the past couple of days I have had 3 extra kids staying here, and two parties ... why? Well the kids like to be at my place, because our environment is a happy one.
Not sayign things are perfect, but none of my four boys have ever been in trouble with the law ... the only cops who visit are friends of ours.
I may be the king in the house but the wife is the queen ... the boys probably fear her wrath more than mine.
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4Ryan6
December 30, 2013 1:58:27 AM
bkude said:
unlimited of gunsGuns are not the problem, it's the one behind the gun, that's the problem, just like cars are not the problem, until someone gets behind the wheel of one drunk and kills someone!
There are many, many, items that can be used as weapons that cause far more damage than a gun ever could.
What's behind the mentality that chooses to turn these items against other people, that's the problem!
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4Ryan6
December 30, 2013 2:30:06 AM
bkude said:
humanity?Have you ever wondered when the label changes from someone classed as insane to a terrorist?
Someone goes off in a school kills ten and is classed as insane even if the action was plotted and planned, someone hijacks planes and flies them into the World Trade Center and they are terrorists, what's the difference?
It may be a much larger scale but the same end mentality, someone sacrificing themselves hurting others in the process, what brings someone to that state of mind.
It was an honorable death for the Japanese Kamikaze pilot, and honor to country for what they did and they made a conscience decision to carry out their goal, those on the receiving end were shocked at how far they would go to accomplish their goals.
Pawns on a chess set, however much greater sacrifices were planned on the same chess board, by Naval strategy using destroyers to screen air craft carriers, one man lost in a Kamikaze run, 300 men lost sacrificing a destroyer to save an aircraft carrier.
As shocking as it came across, a suicide mission was not first entertained by the Japanese, but was the most successful campaign, so when does the mental attitude behind all these school shootings be classed as more than just some insane individual, isn't it also an act of terrorism.
Are these individuals being programmed by what's acceptable in society today?
The drugs, violent video games glorifying crime, TV shows daily getting more promiscuous, crime becoming the norm and has to be extreme to even get noticed or otherwise is just daily news?
Society creates it's own Frankensteins!
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chunkymonster
December 30, 2013 6:36:47 AM
gropouce said:
Actually, you're wrong (on my own and only point of view), especially with the human instinct stuff. Actually, i've already work in prison. I've seen many guys who talked about seeing people that no-one else could see; or hearing voices...
Defining someone as having a mental illness is not something so easy to do. Believe me.
That's why i always walk carefully when i'm talking about mental illness. And i can't believe that "the majority of the individuals who has committed a mass shooting has been mentally ill.", especially if they talked about hearing voices.
We'll have to agree to disagree about the human instinct stuff. I'm a believer in the power that self preservation has over the human psyche.
What I mean by mental illness is not personality quirks or those unique character traits that make us individuals. When I say the majority of the people behind the recent mass shootings (Lanza, Alexis, Loughner, Holmes, Seung Hui Cho) were all mentally ill, I mean that quite literally; they were professionally diagnosed as being mentally ill. All of them were either under psychiatric care prior to the shooting, or professionally diagnosed with depression, schizophrenia, or sever anxiety disorders. The fact is some people are simply mentally unbalanced. Their perception of reality is skewed and irrational.
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chunkymonster
December 30, 2013 7:14:36 AM
4Ryan6 said:
bkude said:
humanity?Have you ever wondered when the label changes from someone classed as insane to a terrorist?
Someone goes off in a school kills ten and is classed as insane even if the action was plotted and planned, someone hijacks planes and flies them into the World Trade Center and they are terrorists, what's the difference?
It may be a much larger scale but the same end mentality, someone sacrificing themselves hurting others in the process, what brings someone to that state of mind.
It was an honorable death for the Japanese Kamikaze pilot, and honor to country for what they did and they made a conscience decision to carry out their goal, those on the receiving end were shocked at how far they would go to accomplish their goals.
Pawns on a chess set, however much greater sacrifices were planned on the same chess board, by Naval strategy using destroyers to screen air craft carriers, one man lost in a Kamikaze run, 300 men lost sacrificing a destroyer to save an aircraft carrier.
As shocking as it came across, a suicide mission was not first entertained by the Japanese, but was the most successful campaign, so when does the mental attitude behind all these school shootings be classed as more than just some insane individual, isn't it also an act of terrorism.
Are these individuals being programmed by what's acceptable in society today?
The drugs, violent video games glorifying crime, TV shows daily getting more promiscuous, crime becoming the norm and has to be extreme to even get noticed or otherwise is just daily news?
Society creates it's own Frankensteins!
Interesting.
When you consider the literal definition of terrorism, (the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal, especially for political purposes), you could make an argument that the mass shootings are a form of terrorism. But the primary difference between a mentally ill person who shoots up a school or mall and the kamikaze pilot or the 9/11 hijackers is their motivation.
I agree that it is the same end mentality, I would consider the kamikaze pilot or 9/11 hijackers as mentally ill. However, I would foremost consider them as terrorists because their motivations were political.
Now, guys like Loughner, Holmes, and Cho were not primarily driven by political ideals. They were just mentally ill.
So, IMO the difference between a mass shooter and a terrorist is "why" they are committing the act. But, as you've implied, when trying to determine personal motivations or when politics enter the conversation the lines between who is a terrorist and who is mentally ill becomes indistinguishable depending on who is driving the conversation.
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4Ryan6
December 30, 2013 1:09:43 PM
4Ryan6
February 1, 2014 7:02:51 AM
Maybe I missed something but to me the shooter had met his entire goal when he shot the girl, it must have been some tainted love thing going on because he shot and killed himself after he knew she was pretty much dead?
Apparently he wasn't concerned with killing other people just her?
Maybe when he saw what he had actually done to her, the stark reality of his actions hit him and he wasn't prepared for the reality, because he did not even shoot the person sitting with her?
Surely with the weapon he chose chambering a second round the person sitting next to her would not have had the time to get away, so IMO, she was his goal?
There's really more questions than answers, as he knew she was going to die from the damage he had done?
So now his anger, thoughts, and plans now slapped him in the face with raw reality!
He wasn't taken down by any heroic acts, he killed himself, the rest is irrelevant?
Why he was totally directly after her would help the reasoning?
IDK?
So what's your 80 second reasoning?
Apparently he wasn't concerned with killing other people just her?
Maybe when he saw what he had actually done to her, the stark reality of his actions hit him and he wasn't prepared for the reality, because he did not even shoot the person sitting with her?
Surely with the weapon he chose chambering a second round the person sitting next to her would not have had the time to get away, so IMO, she was his goal?
There's really more questions than answers, as he knew she was going to die from the damage he had done?
So now his anger, thoughts, and plans now slapped him in the face with raw reality!
He wasn't taken down by any heroic acts, he killed himself, the rest is irrelevant?
Why he was totally directly after her would help the reasoning?
IDK?
So what's your 80 second reasoning?
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4Ryan6
February 1, 2014 11:17:30 AM
musical marv
February 1, 2014 5:00:25 PM
4Ryan6 said:
When I was younger going through school and we had arguments with others, we had the same problems with bullying and such as that, we avoided those popular for bullying as much as possible, and occasionally got our butts kicked when they caught up to us. We had many fights on the school bus and after school and such as that, but we never even considered taking a gun or knife to school, even though they were available to most all of us!
What is going on today people?
What creates a mental attitude that a young person decides to self destruct and take others with them in the process?
Has technology of today affected the minds of individuals to the point of no return, through long term violent gaming?
Or is it drugs?
Peer pressure?
Or a combination of it all?
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4Ryan6
February 1, 2014 6:09:19 PM
dogman_1234
February 2, 2014 2:31:53 AM
4Ryan6 said:
musical marv said:
Unfortunately we are living in a sick society today as the word respect is no longer honored any longer.To much internet and not enough pure communication among humans today.To much liberation also.Really sad indeed among the young people today.That's so true Marv.
What's wrong with me?
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gropouce
February 2, 2014 2:50:27 AM
4Ryan6 said:
musical marv said:
Unfortunately we are living in a sick society today as the word respect is no longer honored any longer.To much internet and not enough pure communication among humans today.To much liberation also.Really sad indeed among the young people today.That's so true Marv.
Not enough communication ???
Related to what ? related to the time when they were no smarphones ?
I don't agree with that. on the contrary, i believe there is too much communication, today, and it may be part of the problem,
Remember those times :

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4Ryan6
February 2, 2014 5:33:57 AM
I took his meaning as the lack of face to face human interaction!
Your picture is a good example of it's early days of growth, no one is talking to each other!
The coldest times I ever encountered was riding the subway in Washington DC, not because of the temperature, because of the people!
We talk to each other where I live down south in the USA, and it was a completely different experience up in Washington DC!
People up there don't know who to trust, so they don't talk to anyone!
They all have this concrete stare of fear!
Your picture is a good example of it's early days of growth, no one is talking to each other!
The coldest times I ever encountered was riding the subway in Washington DC, not because of the temperature, because of the people!
We talk to each other where I live down south in the USA, and it was a completely different experience up in Washington DC!
People up there don't know who to trust, so they don't talk to anyone!
They all have this concrete stare of fear!
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chunkymonster
February 3, 2014 5:46:32 AM
Thanks OMG_73 for posting these...
In the recent school shooting at Arapahoe High School in Colorado, the incident only lasted 80 seconds. I remember hearing this in the original coverage and how it was held up as such a relief as it probably saved lives. Particularly on CNN's coverage. Yes libs, I do watch CNN sometimes. Gasp!
Not one MSM outlet (including FOX) focused on why it only lasted 80 seconds. I recently found out the why and am interested in hearing the opinion of the expanded minds we have here in news & leisure.
1) Can you answer the why it only lasted 80 seconds?
2) Can you answer why it wasn't more widely covered in the MSM? Opinions count as possible answers on this on. There are several whys, usually five. *hint, find what type of weapon the perp used and it will help answer #2.
It only lasted 80 seconds because that was how long it took the armed security officer on campus to reach the shooter. When confronted by the armed guard, the shooter took his own life.
1) armed guard on campus, not widely reported in major media outlets
2) shooter used a 12 ga. pump-action shotgun. NOT a scary looking "military-style" assault rifle or semi-automatic handgun with a high capacity magazine. For the uninformed, a shotgun is a more powerful and devastating weapon than what the media calls an "assault rifle". It can fire 12, 30 cal. pellets at 1350 feet per second with a single trigger pull.
3) the shooter was self-proclaimed radical Marxist who frequently got into arguments with his teachers over political views. This is evidenced by the shooters own Facebook page, not reported by major media and has since has been censored/deleted.
What's the saying? Perception is reality? Well, major media is creating their own reality for us to perceive. Get the facts and form your own conclusions.
Yeah, this shooting barely made a blip on any major news outlet. From what little reports there were, the fact that there was an armed guard at the school was key in the shooter committing suicide. But, please don't dare say that the notion of the bad guy getting shot by a good guy with a gun is any kind of deterrent.
The comment about a shotgun being more devastating than a media popularized "assault weapon" or semi-auto handgun is loud and clear. I mean, #00 shot is in terms of muzzle energy, for all intents and purposes, is the equivalent of nine 9mm rounds fired simultaneously!
And, the idea that the shooter was left leaning and mentally unstable is something that will never be highlighted by the anti-gun crowd. But I am quite sure they will parade the poor little girl's family in front of the camera to promote more legislation in a State where pro-gun businesses and supporters already rejected previous gun laws.
Oldmangamer_73 said:
I'd like to refresh your thread Ry if you don't mind.In the recent school shooting at Arapahoe High School in Colorado, the incident only lasted 80 seconds. I remember hearing this in the original coverage and how it was held up as such a relief as it probably saved lives. Particularly on CNN's coverage. Yes libs, I do watch CNN sometimes. Gasp!
Not one MSM outlet (including FOX) focused on why it only lasted 80 seconds. I recently found out the why and am interested in hearing the opinion of the expanded minds we have here in news & leisure.
1) Can you answer the why it only lasted 80 seconds?
2) Can you answer why it wasn't more widely covered in the MSM? Opinions count as possible answers on this on. There are several whys, usually five. *hint, find what type of weapon the perp used and it will help answer #2.
Oldmangamer_73 said:
First, he was there to kill a teacher not a love interest. He loudly stated this when he entered the school. The teacher was able to flee the campus in the 80 seconds and the shooter never found him/her.It only lasted 80 seconds because that was how long it took the armed security officer on campus to reach the shooter. When confronted by the armed guard, the shooter took his own life.
1) armed guard on campus, not widely reported in major media outlets
2) shooter used a 12 ga. pump-action shotgun. NOT a scary looking "military-style" assault rifle or semi-automatic handgun with a high capacity magazine. For the uninformed, a shotgun is a more powerful and devastating weapon than what the media calls an "assault rifle". It can fire 12, 30 cal. pellets at 1350 feet per second with a single trigger pull.
3) the shooter was self-proclaimed radical Marxist who frequently got into arguments with his teachers over political views. This is evidenced by the shooters own Facebook page, not reported by major media and has since has been censored/deleted.
What's the saying? Perception is reality? Well, major media is creating their own reality for us to perceive. Get the facts and form your own conclusions.
Yeah, this shooting barely made a blip on any major news outlet. From what little reports there were, the fact that there was an armed guard at the school was key in the shooter committing suicide.
Quote:
According to Sheriff Grayson Robinson, Pierson (the shooter, op edit) realized this, which was a “critical element to the shooter’s decision” to commit suicide. Robinson later said of the armed deputy's actions: "We believe that that action was absolutely critical to the fact that we didn’t have more deaths and injuries."The comment about a shotgun being more devastating than a media popularized "assault weapon" or semi-auto handgun is loud and clear. I mean, #00 shot is in terms of muzzle energy, for all intents and purposes, is the equivalent of nine 9mm rounds fired simultaneously!
And, the idea that the shooter was left leaning and mentally unstable is something that will never be highlighted by the anti-gun crowd. But I am quite sure they will parade the poor little girl's family in front of the camera to promote more legislation in a State where pro-gun businesses and supporters already rejected previous gun laws.
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4Ryan6
February 3, 2014 6:04:25 AM
No one knows the mental state of the perpetrator or whether he had any fear at all regarding an armed security guards presence, surely he knew of the guards site presence, was that not the guards daily job.
I personally think, and it's my own opinion, that the perp was not ready for the reality of looking at what he had done to the girl.
There's a big difference between thinking and actually doing and looking at the aftermath of his actions.
I don't think he was a dedicated killer, because if he was the blood would have spurned him on, I don't think he could deal with the reality of his actions of the moment, and that's why he killed himself.
My Opinion, OK.
What the media assumes is irrelevant, they'll always paint the picture the way they want it portrayed anyway.
I personally think, and it's my own opinion, that the perp was not ready for the reality of looking at what he had done to the girl.
There's a big difference between thinking and actually doing and looking at the aftermath of his actions.
I don't think he was a dedicated killer, because if he was the blood would have spurned him on, I don't think he could deal with the reality of his actions of the moment, and that's why he killed himself.
My Opinion, OK.
What the media assumes is irrelevant, they'll always paint the picture the way they want it portrayed anyway.
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4Ryan6
February 3, 2014 10:22:01 AM
dogman_1234
February 3, 2014 11:55:32 AM
Oldmangamer_73 said:
You have to remember Ry. The media narrative is that all shooters are right wing members of the TEA party. If the facts do not fit the established narrative, it gets glossed over.That is not what I get out of it.
I see a failure of our mental health system. I see a faulure of our culture to educate people the proper use of a weapon.
These things are a threat to our national security. Not terrorists.
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chunkymonster
February 4, 2014 5:40:13 AM
dogman_1234 said:
That is not what I get out of it.I see a failure of our mental health system. I see a faulure of our culture to educate people the proper use of a weapon.
These things are a threat to our national security. Not terrorists.
Oh the irony dogman! Typically the anti-gun crowd are also the same people who advocate public education when it is exactly a proper education of firearms that would help prevent these tragedies.
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musical marv
February 4, 2014 4:30:59 PM
gropouce said:
Education, i guess.When i was i child, if i didn't show a minimum of respect for others, i was a$$-kicked until death.
yesterday, at work, a 12y.o guys tell me to do something to my mother because he had to wait too much time before i examine him. (he said he has a broken arm and actually had nothing like this, but nevermind.)
I just hope it is "bad times" and "things will get better", but...
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gropouce
February 5, 2014 2:05:53 AM
More or less...
Just look at the national news, what do i learn:
- one guy is in prison because he found "funny" to film himself throwing a kitten against a wall.
- three teenagers are in trouble for assaulting a mentally handicapped person. Again, they filmed it... we can hear them laugh to death while they are throwing this poor guy in the river.
I could kill, sometimes, i swear.
When i worked in jail, i met some people who were guilty of terrible things, but who knew what respect is...
Just look at the national news, what do i learn:
- one guy is in prison because he found "funny" to film himself throwing a kitten against a wall.
- three teenagers are in trouble for assaulting a mentally handicapped person. Again, they filmed it... we can hear them laugh to death while they are throwing this poor guy in the river.
I could kill, sometimes, i swear.
When i worked in jail, i met some people who were guilty of terrible things, but who knew what respect is...
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4Ryan6
February 5, 2014 3:15:29 AM
gropouce said:
More or less...Just look at the national news, what do i learn:
- one guy is in prison because he found "funny" to film himself throwing a kitten against a wall.
- three teenagers are in trouble for assaulting a mentally handicapped person. Again, they filmed it... we can hear them laugh to death while they are throwing this poor guy in the river.
I could kill, sometimes, i swear.
When i worked in jail, i met some people who were guilty of terrible things, but who knew what respect is...
When I've mentioned the gangs around our area some are just local neighborhood grouping really doing silly stupid stuff like shooting out street lights, playing pranks on non gang members, but not really seriously hurting others.
Then the hardcore gangs are those that require committing a criminal act as gang membership, those gangs are the high crime element usually doing serious harm for no more gain than recognition.
However almost zero of them are involved in school shootings as most all have additionally dropped out of school and have nothing to do with it.
Even though the gang element can be some of the most senseless criminal acts, sometimes the school environment can push individuals to a state of desperation to do the unthinkable.
Bullying seems to be a major problem in schools apparently much worse than when I was in school, maybe kids today just cannot run as fast as we could?
Individual bullying is one thing group bullying is another story and we seem to be seeing more and more of that type bullying going on these days?
Group bullying in school is the base for gang growth later, when the bullying leads to expulsion from school!
Which is great for the victims but bad for the bullying mentality that doesn't just stop with expulsion?
In a lot of cases the only thing that stops individual bullying is when the victim has finally had enough and snaps and stomps the bullys A$$.
Usually group bullying has a leader and it's usually the so called baddest member of the group and in a fight confrontation he or she is the first one to eliminate and once the bad one is down, you usually don't have to fight the rest.
I think what may be missing in this day and time is the raw physicality we had growing up, we did not have computers, X Boxes, Play Stations, Smart Phones, Tablets, etc., we went outside every single day when we were younger and basically played games, baseball, football, tennis, chase, we never had a problem entertaining ourselves and it was all physical exertion.
So we were actually stronger physically back then and more able to defend ourselves than it seems is the norm today, that those that are bullied today seem to drop so far into despair they reach for an equalizer that ends in death.
Just My Opinion OK.
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4Ryan6
February 5, 2014 3:20:15 AM
chunkymonster
February 5, 2014 4:35:52 AM
amdfangirl said:
*mutters something about better parenting than buying an iPad to shut up the kids*Oldmangamer_73 said:
Right on amdfangirl!Another point i'd like to bring up in my post about the media reporting or lack thereof is the number of Americans who get the majority of their information from 20 sec. sound bytes on the nightly news, or Jon Stewart. That picture of all the people reading the newspaper on the morning commute says a lot. I bet those people were better informed than your average American now with an smart phone.
Wayne LaPierre of the NRA was laughed at, scoffed, called a moron, etc. for suggesting armed guards to guard our children at school. Here, a real world example of an armed guard on campus making a difference and saving lives. No wonder they just glossed over it.
I said it once and i'll say it again. Armed guards watch our money, and other valuables or material things. Our kids are not worthy of the same? Wow, all the important peoples' kids get armed guards. Us lowly plebes just have to fend for ourselves I guess. /sarc
4Ryan6 said:
Sometimes in life you have to take a physical stand whether you get your a$$ whipped or not! Thats a Ryism!
+1...all of it!
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4Ryan6 said:
So we were actually stronger physically back then and more able to defend ourselves than it seems is the norm today, that those that are bullied today seem to drop so far into despair they reach for an equalizer that ends in death.
Well the problem lies here: Because most families need both parents working or a single parent household, they tend to use computers/iPads to keep their children quiet.
Children that don't play tag, soccer, tennis etc. tend to have less confidence to do so.
These children usually do what they're comfortable with... so computing.
This leads to or re-enforce anti-social behaviour/internet addiction.
So we end up with wimpy kids who play CoD all day.
Without any proper parenting they solve problems like bullying the same way they solve it in game.
By shooting people. Duh.
Not to saying all people who play CoD become rampaging idiots. I mean like I'm yet to... :3
Just saying it's really difficult to stand up to these guys... even just a little bit if you're a weak little shrimp who games/browses the internet all day.
We've got a generation of people used to getting whatever they want in video games.
I mean like if I can seduce Leliana in Dragon Age: Origins with a bunch of virtual flowers and chocolate... then why is that girl Rachel in class refusing me?
Irresistible even to someone so awesome like me? I gave her the flowers... the everything...
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4Ryan6
February 5, 2014 6:59:42 AM
chunkymonster said:
I totally agree that most children could use a good smack in the mouth! And, I also totally agree that some parents today let their kids run all over them. I see it at every Cub Scout meeting. The two things children need the most is structure and discipline!Aside from mental illness, I agree with chunkymonster - The two things children need the most is structure and discipline!
Someone had written some gibberish about problems with single parent families. I find this hard to believe. I'm a single father and have always taught my son to respect other people. And though he has been gaming since he was 10 years old or so, I always explained the difference between fiction and real life. He knows that killing someone in Battlefield 4 is not the same as killing in real life. I'm also a hunter and taught my son to hunt so he knows full well what a real gun can do. Hunting is a sport, but I've always taught respect for all life. My son and I only kill what we will eat. Senseless killing is something nobody needs.
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musical marv
February 5, 2014 4:43:47 PM
dogman_1234 said:
I cannot give an answer. I don't own a weapon of any sort, I have no real enemies,( just people whom generally have pissed me off,) and I have not pre-meditated any crimes.The last guy who got on my nerves, got the cold shoulder, and a kid on a flight to Seattle.
I just walk away.
Coudn't tell you, since many here are gun owners; they may have some more insight. Could be the easy access for younger Americans to utilize as a leveraging tool against their anger at the world. I blame the parents for not buying safes and/or safeguarding guns from ill-gotten people, like their hormonal teens. Another reason: parents are not willing to educate young Willy on the proper safety of gun use, and the appropriate times to use it.
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