What is your Opinion on Homosexuality?
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dogman_1234
December 19, 2013 3:14:40 AM
chrisso
December 19, 2013 3:53:45 AM
I checked with a gay mate ... he doesn't like the term ... he did laugh though and kinda felt a bit sorry and embarrased for you doggy.
That pretty much sums up what they think of the term.
Remember this thread will probably still be her in 100 years ... as toms will one day rule the world.
I based this prediction on the new thread about slimline dishwashers ... when the biggest hardware site on the net moves on to slimline dishwashers the whole world in in our sights.
I plan to be the supreme overlord of your state doggy ... and I will be surrounding your home with gay people, who will shower you with kindness.
Go forth and weep.
That pretty much sums up what they think of the term.
Remember this thread will probably still be her in 100 years ... as toms will one day rule the world.
I based this prediction on the new thread about slimline dishwashers ... when the biggest hardware site on the net moves on to slimline dishwashers the whole world in in our sights.
I plan to be the supreme overlord of your state doggy ... and I will be surrounding your home with gay people, who will shower you with kindness.
Go forth and weep.
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4Ryan6
December 19, 2013 7:09:04 AM
dogman_1234 said:
What is your opinion on Homosexuality?Right or Wrong?
Any other thoughts?
Do you have any gay family and/or friends? Please share your impressions on the topic and stories about people whom you know are gay.
Your thread title would have been better to have used your first sentence instead, your thread title comes across as school yard slang and insult, your first sentence is an actual question.
My opinion on homosexuality is if it makes you happy, I'm happy for you, you do not actually have to justify yourself to anyone on this planet, your life and how you live it is your business, as long as how you live it, is not endangering the lives of others.
It doesn't matter regarding Right or Wrong, anyone that's truly living a gay lifestyle doesn't care what you think or anyone else for that matter, the reason most gays are not free in their lifestyle is because they're concerned regarding what others think.
When it comes to right and wrong where is the measurement?
What do you measure right and wrong against when it comes to homosexuality?
Religion or lets specifically say for the record Christianity.
I am a Christian, and FYI here are the facts as I believe, homosexuality is a sin, the same as lying is a sin, stealing is a sin, bearing false witness is a sin, etc. etc., but God is Love, and homosexuality is not an unforgivable sin, there is only one listed unforgivable sin and that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
For that sin there is no forgiveness!
Homosexuality however is a forgivable sin, so it bothers me extremely sometimes when ignorant of the written word Christians, put themselves on pedestals and declare someone is condemned to hell for living a homosexual lifestyle, because that is just not true.
I've had 2 gay friends in my lifetime, they both died from aides they were great people and good friends and I loved them like brothers, so their deaths were a great loss to all of us that knew them.
I truly wish they could have lived to this day and time, where the persecutions they endured way back when being gay was associated with the word in your title, that do not exist today, when they have much more open freedom.
Maybe they would still be alive today!
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chunkymonster
December 19, 2013 9:25:26 AM
dogman_1234 said:
What is your opinion on Homosexuality?Right or Wrong?
Any other thoughts?
Do you have any gay family and/or friends? Please share your impressions on the topic and stories about people whom you know are gay.
Who cares?! I really don't. I've known a few gay people. But understand, I do not approve of any minority special interest group forcing the majority to accept or recognize them as being deserving of exceptions to the law and cultural or societal norms.
One thing I have noticed lately is rather than people reacting to a person who makes an ignorant or bias statement and trying to show them what they said is ignorant, we have moved to allowing them to say the ignorant statement under the guise of tolerance. But as a result, we end up reacting to the reaction of the person or group who was offended by the ignorant statement. And, more times than not it elicits an angry response by the offended so much to the point that the majority is supposed to stop in their tracks and appease those who are offended. Political correctness in action. It's only acceptable if it agrees with those who are offended, but completely unacceptable if the offended disagree. But I digress...
My cousin experimented with being a lesbian for a while. Hung out with my cousin and her partner quite a bit. She was a very nice person but just a bit over bearing with her making sure you know she was gay.
One of my neighbors are a gay couple, very nice guys. Heck, the one guy has his PhD in psychology and works with troubled youth and as a family counselor!
Now here's a story, but make no mistake I am completely hetero and quite secure in my sexuality. Back in the day before I was married with children, I used to go to night clubs with a gay friend. He made the absolute best wingman EVER! He made it a point to try to help me get laid. He dressed sharp. He danced well. He could drink with the best of us. The ladies would just gravitate towards the two us, especially on the dance floor, because he was gay. He didn't care if I was straight and I didn't care if he was gay. He was an all around cool dude and a good friend. Other guys in the club would assume I was also gay, sometimes we would get shit from tough guys who drank too much. Not that I was worried, he knew how to take care of himself, because being gay he knew how to deal with homophobic a-holes. One downside was that I used to get hit on by gays, but I never got rude, ignorant, or started fights because of it. Although, the upside to going to a club with a gay friend was that when another gay guy would hit on me and didn't get the hint that I was straight, my gay friend would step in and claim that I was his bitch. HAHAHAHA! But I didn't care, because more times than not, I would leave the club with some girl or another; the ones with low self esteem and/or daddy issues were the easiest prey. HAHAHAHA!
Right or wrong is subjective and matter of perspective. From a natural law view, it is unnatural. From a religious view, it is not God's will. From a moral perspective, well, that's subjective and matter of society and culture.
Truly though, what I don't understand is all the crap about gay marriage. The federal government has no place in setting any standards regarding marriage. There is nothing in the Constitution that gives the federal government any power over the regulation of marriage or any form of human partnership. If any government was given the power over regulating marriage, it is the States. If the people in a given State choose to allow gay marriage, then so be it, and vice-versa; that is the definition of republicanism. But to raise gay marriage to the federal level and demand that some one-size-fits-all national law demands that every citizen and State recognize something they may or may not agree with is an egregious abuse of centralized governmental power.
One of the great things about the American republic is that we, as a self governing people, are free to choose to recognize something and, conversely, we are also able to free from it.
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dogman_1234
December 19, 2013 4:14:38 PM
dogman_1234
December 19, 2013 4:30:26 PM
musical marv
December 19, 2013 4:50:42 PM
dogman_1234 said:
What is your opinion on Homosexuality?Right or Wrong?
Any other thoughts?
Do you have any gay family and/or friends? Please share your impressions on the topic and stories about people whom you know are gay.
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4Ryan6
December 19, 2013 5:35:44 PM
dogman_1234
December 19, 2013 10:31:55 PM
4Ryan6 said:
dogman_1234 said:
So, form everyone post:It is okay, but it is bad?
I'm confused.
Well maybe you should go see a counselor or something dog, News & Leisure is really not the place to be sorting out your sex life!
Not really.
I was just trying to figure out what you guys thought about the issue. To me, the topic of homosexuality is confusing.
Not trying to express my sex life online. If I did, I would have a Facebook page with everyone online trying to give me sex advice. Note to world: Friends are not the best at giving sex advice!
@OMG: What agenda are you specifically mentioning?
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4Ryan6
December 20, 2013 4:05:28 AM
dogman_1234 said:
I was just trying to figure out what you guys thought about the issue. To me, the topic of homosexuality is confusing.Confusing tends to mean you are looking for answers to clarify your own understanding of a subject.
Unfortunately this subject is so controversial it is still being ridiculed and seriously misunderstood and even the gay community cannot fully explain it to you, because it is a burning desire they don't have control over.
What a true gay is looking for is simply love, trust, and honesty in a relationship, the same that a heterosexual couple longs for as well, without the love, trust, and honesty, it's just sex, even in a heterosexual couple relationship.
One of my best friends that was gay explained what he was looking for in a homosexual relationship, unfortunately I could not give him what he was looking for because I am not gay, but his endured search for his hopes eventually led to him contracting aides, and he has been dead now for 25 years.
Homosexuality is against nature and against the natural design of the body, if you pursue a homosexual path your bodys internal warning mechanism alarm will go off, warning you that something is wrong, it is the same sensual warning of danger being near.
It's hard to explain that to you but it is a natural internal feeling that alerts you inside if something is right or wrong in relation to the natural order of things, then the choice is yours to either listen to it, or ignore it.
So you come with your own warning alert built in, whether you choose to listen to it or not, is your choice or decision.
Now if you choose to go against that internal natural warning, even though it's persistently inside telling you it's wrong, then eventually it will switch off, but it's not you switching it off, it's God switching it off.
From that point you don't see anything wrong with what you are doing and cannot understand why others don't see it, and after a while you think you've been gay your entire life, and some even think they were born that way.
But the truth is, at some point in their lives they made a conscious decision to disregard the natural warning of danger, and unfortunately for some it led to death before they found forgiveness.
Remember I told you it is a sin!
To be forgiven for any sin, you have to ask for forgiveness from God.
Do yourself a favor dogman_1234, at this point of your own understanding pick up a Bible and read the first chapter of Romans, you won't have any problems understanding it.
This concludes my involvement in this thread! Ry
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wanamingo
December 20, 2013 7:35:39 AM
4Ryan6 said:
Homosexuality is against nature and against the natural design of the body, if you pursue a homosexual path your bodys internal warning mechanism alarm will go off, warning you that something is wrong, it is the same sensual warning of danger being near.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/0806172044...
Basically homosexual men tend to come from families with particularly fertile females. There is a genetic advantage to having a non-reproducing male in the midst of reproducing females, especially relations.
I think that the love two people of the same sex feel for each other is just as strong as the love and bond a heterosexual couple feels.
Ive been busy lately but lurking....watching.... taking screenshots.....
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musical marv
December 22, 2013 5:26:01 PM
Pooslipper
December 22, 2013 5:43:10 PM
What is your opinion on Heterosexuality?
Right or Wrong?
Any other thoughts?
Do you have any straight family and/or friends? Please share your impressions on the topic and stories about people whom you know are straight.
What is your opinion on Left-handed people?
Right or Wrong?
Any other thoughts?
Do you have any left-handed family and/or friends? Please share your impressions on the topic and stories about people whom you know are left-handed.
Simple as that.
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chunkymonster
December 23, 2013 5:39:48 AM
Oldmangamer_73 said:
It's really no ones business, unless there is some sort of agenda and there always seems to be.Spot on! That's my primary issue with homosexuals, for the most part I could care less! Stick your wee-willy-winky or lick whatever carpet tickles your fancy, but don't throw it my face or force the whole of society to accept, especially through legislation, what is ultimately a personal choice.
dogman_1234 said:
@OMG: What agenda are you specifically mentioning?They claim discrimination and then form lobby groups so they can be put into a protected class. Then society, like we are now, is too damned afraid to utter a negative word lest they be lambasted or pilloried for being a bigot.
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wanamingo said:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/0806172044...Basically homosexual men tend to come from families with particularly fertile females. There is a genetic advantage to having a non-reproducing male in the midst of reproducing females, especially relations.
I think that the love two people of the same sex feel for each other is just as strong as the love and bond a heterosexual couple feels.
Ive been busy lately but lurking....watching.... taking screenshots.....
Interesting idea about the fertile female thing. Form an evolutionary stand point, it makes sense that a family predominantly of fertile females would produce a homosexual male, naturally geared towards not reproducing because the genetic line will continue through the females. I personally buy into the idea that homosexual are born, not made, simply because some genetic lines should not continue.
I don't think anyone would argue that the bond a gay couple feels for each other is any less legitimate that the bond of a homosexual couple. But, the one thing I will say is that I homosexual couple will never be able to feel as strongly is the bond between a parent and a natural born child. Certainly, gay couples can love a child, but I will assert and defend that they could no way in hell ever feel the same bond to a natural born child. And before you freak out, my opinion was helpfully formed after much debate by a lesbian couple who opted for a sperm donor rather than adopt.
Taking screenshots Mingo? Really? Seems a tad ridiculous. Saving them for some far off day in case your sensibilities are offended?
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-24/britain-pardons-a...
Good news for the family of Alan Turing ... one of the greatest minds of the last century.
Good news for the family of Alan Turing ... one of the greatest minds of the last century.
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dogman_1234
December 23, 2013 11:10:22 PM
Oldmangamer_73 said:
I think you are born with a pre-disposition, I agree with you chunky. I have a male cousin, who when he was younger wanted to stay inside and play with dolls, and play dress up, etc. when his older brother would be outside climbing trees, throwing rocks, running & jumping, you know, the stuff boys do when they are young. My other cousin had no interest when he was young. Now he's in his late teens and is transgender (becoming a female for you people in Rio Linda). Queerer than a 3 dollar bill yes, but he's still my cousin, he/she's funny as hell too, and family is the bond of blood, so I love and support no matter what.I had a straight friend who played with dolls when they were little. Immense pressure to conform to a stereotype and be homosexual.
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4Ryan6 said:
Homosexuality is against nature and against the natural design of the body, if you pursue a homosexual path your bodys internal warning mechanism alarm will go off, warning you that something is wrong, it is the same sensual warning of danger being near.
It's hard to explain that to you but it is a natural internal feeling that alerts you inside if something is right or wrong in relation to the natural order of things, then the choice is yours to either listen to it, or ignore it.
Exactly how does the Biblical belief of a man and woman style of marriage account for intersex people?
They occur naturally but have different body forms than us.
Would it be a sin to love one of these people? After all are they male or female? (Or do we need a less binary distinction here?)
So I ask you this: Is the Bible advocating for a gross simplification of the broad spectrum sexual identities humans can naturally have?
Does condemning people with different sexual preferences make you feel safer and more secure?
It's nice to think everyone is the same as you. Believes in the same social norms and concepts as you, but it's a simplification humans make.
It's a stereotype. Conform, conform to the norm...
4Ryan6 said:
So you come with your own warning alert built in, whether you choose to listen to it or not, is your choice or decision.Now if you choose to go against that internal natural warning, even though it's persistently inside telling you it's wrong, then eventually it will switch off, but it's not you switching it off, it's God switching it off.
From that point you don't see anything wrong with what you are doing and cannot understand why others don't see it, and after a while you think you've been gay your entire life, and some even think they were born that way.
But the truth is, at some point in their lives they made a conscious decision to disregard the natural warning of danger, and unfortunately for some it led to death before they found forgiveness.
So you're telling me that your friend died because he was gay? Really?
Because straight people never die of sexually transmitted diseases. Obviously.
4Ryan6 said:
Remember I told you it is a sin!To be forgiven for any sin, you have to ask for forgiveness from God.
Do yourself a favor dogman_1234, at this point of your own understanding pick up a Bible and read the first chapter of Romans, you won't have any problems understanding it.
Yes yes, and the Bible also has its laws against divorce.
I wonder how many people march in protest of divorce... Hmm...
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chunkymonster
December 24, 2013 9:07:54 AM
4Ryan6
December 24, 2013 11:12:35 AM
@amdfangirl
You're the only one that is responsible for your life, it's not up to me to justify how you decide to live your life, I didn't write the Bible, and I am not condemning anyone, the Bible was written long before I arrived on this earth, I just believe it.
I hope that clears things up for you.
Have a nice day!
Yes he did 100% die because he was gay, his lifestyle brought him in contact with Aides, and it ended up killing him!
And there's absolutely no sense in disgracing his memory giving you the sordid details of his death or what led to it!
You're the only one that is responsible for your life, it's not up to me to justify how you decide to live your life, I didn't write the Bible, and I am not condemning anyone, the Bible was written long before I arrived on this earth, I just believe it.
I hope that clears things up for you.
Have a nice day!
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So you're telling me that your friend died because he was gay? Really?Yes he did 100% die because he was gay, his lifestyle brought him in contact with Aides, and it ended up killing him!
And there's absolutely no sense in disgracing his memory giving you the sordid details of his death or what led to it!
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http://www.dawn.com/news/1076232/alan-turings-pardon-is...
I like the last part of this article ... Turing's Law ... that would be a fitting tribute.
I like the last part of this article ... Turing's Law ... that would be a fitting tribute.
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Just remember that religion is the bane of human existence, and the guilt these pathetic individuals try to place on those who lead alternate but peaceful lives is more of a reflection on their shameful predjudices and insecurity than on those they marginalise, denigrate, and fail to accept.
If there was a god at all he (or she) would accept all (equally) who worship.
A decent religion would have that as a primary tenet ... if yours does not then it is a poor religion ... ditch it and find a better one.
You will therefore find no answers in a bible to help you come to grips with your sexuality.
You would be much better off making an appointment with a registered therapist.
In fact most existential issues are far better dealt with using a therapist.
Religious therapy is an oxymoron.
If there was a god at all he (or she) would accept all (equally) who worship.
A decent religion would have that as a primary tenet ... if yours does not then it is a poor religion ... ditch it and find a better one.
You will therefore find no answers in a bible to help you come to grips with your sexuality.
You would be much better off making an appointment with a registered therapist.
In fact most existential issues are far better dealt with using a therapist.
Religious therapy is an oxymoron.
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Beachnative
December 26, 2013 1:50:32 PM
I could careless what people do on thier own time as long as they are not breaking the law. I have friends and former classmates that are gay and have contributed more to society than I will in 100 life times. What is this incessant fart in the wind focusing on someones sexual orientation instead of real news?
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MrProper
December 27, 2013 8:27:31 AM
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dogman_1234
December 27, 2013 10:48:31 PM
I guess dragging one behind a truck is not throwing it in your face?
Yes, I agree, there is too much extravagance...but when you have been burned, stoned, killed, maimed, chemically castrated, and abused for centuries....it is kinda hard to not rub it in the worlds face.
The whole state issue could be resolved by not defining marriage at all except a public/private contract between two adult citzens who decide to combine resources in life. That is it.
Yes, I agree, there is too much extravagance...but when you have been burned, stoned, killed, maimed, chemically castrated, and abused for centuries....it is kinda hard to not rub it in the worlds face.
The whole state issue could be resolved by not defining marriage at all except a public/private contract between two adult citzens who decide to combine resources in life. That is it.
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4Ryan6
December 30, 2013 2:03:22 AM
dogman_1234
December 30, 2013 3:45:08 AM
chunkymonster
December 30, 2013 8:22:14 AM
chunkymonster said:
@ amdfangirl - do you know the societal and historical reasons behind why the Bible teaches against homosexuality?amdfangirl said:
Enlighten me?Oldmangamer_73 said:
Just remember the bible is a blueprint for civilization. You can't have a thriving civilization without men and women having sex and producing offspring. The bible was written during tribal periods. Everything was to strengthen the tribe. Homosexuality produces no new warriors. The bible even guides against masturbation saying "better to lay thy seed in the belly of a whore than to spill it on a rock". I paraphrase but again this is to increase the chances of producing another warrior for the tribe.It's all about historical context.
I'm sure amdfangirl was expecting some religious answer, but OMG stated the historical and societal reasons for the Bible preaching against homosexuality quite succinctly! Thanks OMG!
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dogman_1234
December 30, 2013 11:40:43 PM
amdfangirl said:
^ Indeed.dogman_1234 said:
OMG, if I remember correctly, stated he had studied religion throughout history and can explain clearly and logically reasons for some text and their challenges within translating them.I thats the same guy that I know, he studied the bottom of a whiskey bottle, and has fewer formal qualifications than my pool cleaning guy ... ditto for the other two.
If your looking for wise and sage advise in this thread I'd just like to point out that the religious side is a bit light on, while the other side (the tolerant normal people) has some noted people with academic degrees, and at least one ACTUAL GAY PERSON ... alas not me.
But hey ... go with the redneck gun totting "kill all of the people who aren't like me" types.
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dogman_1234
December 31, 2013 1:15:38 AM
Reynod said:
amdfangirl said:
^ Indeed.dogman_1234 said:
OMG, if I remember correctly, stated he had studied religion throughout history and can explain clearly and logically reasons for some text and their challenges within translating them.I thats the same guy that I know, he studied the bottom of a whiskey bottle, and has fewer formal qualifications than my pool cleaning guy ... ditto for the other two.
If your looking for wise and sage advise in this thread I'd just like to point out that the religious side is a bit light on, while the other side (the tolerant normal people) has some noted people with academic degrees, and at least one ACTUAL GAY PERSON ... alas not me.
But hey ... go with the redneck gun totting "kill all of the people who aren't like me" types.
Oh I wasn't going with the 'rednkeck' types. (BTW: do you know who the Red Necks are?)
Also, when did THG have a gay guy on the forum? Did i miss it? I guess I should start stiffling my sneezes. My apologies to whomever!
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December 31, 2013 4:50:31 AM
chunkymonster
December 31, 2013 5:41:40 AM
Reynod said:
I thats the same guy that I know, he studied the bottom of a whiskey bottle, and has fewer formal qualifications than my pool cleaning guy ... ditto for the other two.If your looking for wise and sage advise in this thread I'd just like to point out that the religious side is a bit light on, while the other side (the tolerant normal people) has some noted people with academic degrees, and at least one ACTUAL GAY PERSON ... alas not me.
But hey ... go with the redneck gun totting "kill all of the people who aren't like me" types.
Wow! Nice touch about killing people...
I hope this is tongue in cheek. If not then it is about the poorest example of a tolerant opinion from a self proclaimed worldly peace loving man of the people.
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dogman_1234
December 31, 2013 8:40:25 PM
amdfangirl said:
dogman_1234 said:
Also, when did THG have a gay guy on the forum? Did i miss it? I guess I should start stiffling my sneezes. My apologies to whomever!Well I don't recall a gay guy.
Did you want to grab your pitchforks?
No. I was unaware of a publiclly open gay person.
I was going to apologize to that person, but guess not...
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